[jailhouserock]

On Mar 23, 6:25 am, "jailhouserock"
wrote:
On Mar 22, 8:58 pm, "Mr.T" MrT@home wrote:

"Richard Crowley" wrote in message

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"Arny Krueger" wrote ...
It is the minds of some poorly-informed analog bigots, that analog has
infinite resolution and bandwidth.

Perhaps to non-technical people, the limits of digital systems
are easier to comprehend than the limits of analog systems.

No, analog bigots don't understand either. It's FAR easier to argue their
case from a position of *complete* ignorance :-)

MrT.

I have 3 CD players, one of them does DVD-A and SACD. I also have a
DVD-R that records in Dolby Digital 2.0 stereo AC-3. This isn't my
first rodeo, I've been a audiophile and stereo buff since the 1970's.

If they made an affordable SACD/DSD recorder, I'd have one. TASCAM
does make one- just to show you how ignorant you are of your digital
format, none of you people has even mentioned it yet. They cost
$10,000, and are on the TASCAM website.

So, are you going to BUY ONE ?

yeh, right...

it's called the TASCAM DV-RA1000HD

http://www.tascam.com/Products/dvra1000hd.html

The TASCAM DV-RA1000HD is the new go-to device for high-resolution
mixdown, mastering and event recording. It supports recording to CD,
DVD or hard disk media at up to 192kHz/24-bit PCM resolution. Like its
predecessor, the DV-RA1000, it also records Direct Stream Digital
audio, Sony's revolutionary format created for Super Audio CDs. TASCAM
remains the only manufacturer to offer Direct Stream Digital recording
for under $10,000, making the format attainable for audiophile
archival and professional studio mixdown.

The DV-RA1000HD includes DSP for EQ and dynamics processing, a USB 2.0
connection for computer transfer and a rear panel packed with the
connections professionals demand. Minnetonka's discWelder Bronze 1000
for DSD conversion and DVD-Audio disc authoring is offered free from
TASCAM for DV-RA1000HD owners. The DV-RA1000HD provides more than 60
hours of recording to its built-in 60GB hard drive, making it ideal
for live recording. Recording is also possible direct to DVD+RW media
for over fi ve hours of recording at better-than-CD quality. Designed
for recording studio mixdown, audiophile archival, live recording and
installed sound, you can trust the DV-RA1000HD with your most
treasured master recordings.

The DV-RA1000HD is the quintessential high-definition digital
recorder:

High-quality stereo recording at up 192kHz/24-bit or DSD format
Records to Built-in 60GB hard drive, DVD+RW, CD-R/RW media
Archives to DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R and DVD+RW discs
Multiband compression and 3-band EQ mixdown effects
USB 2.0 connection to PC for use as DVD data drive
Balanced XLR and unbalanced RCA inputs and outputs
Balanced AES/EBU inputs and outputs, running at normal, double-speed
and double-wire formats
SDIF-3 DSD input and output for external conversion and processing of
DSD audio
Word Sync In, Out, Thru
RS-232C serial control
PS/2 keyboard connector for title editing
User-definable function keys
Large, backlit LCD display
Records to standard CD-DA, Broadcast Wave and DSDIFF formats
Dedicated input level control and adjustable maximum output level
±6% pitch control
Fade in/out
Jog playback
Power on play feature
Various play and record modes such as auto track increment, auto cue,
auto ready, single/continuous play and program A/B play.
Wired remote control (RC-RA1000) included
Headphone output

Rear Panel Connections

(2) XLR balanced analog line inputs
(2) RCA unbalanced analog line inputs
(2) XLR balanced analog line outputs
(2) RCA unbalanced analog line outputs
(2) Stereo AES/EBU digital inputs on XLR balanced jacks
Stereo S/PDIF digital input on coaxial connector
(2) Stereo AES/EBU digital outputs on XLR balanced jacks
Stereo S/PDIF digital output on coaxial connector
(2) SDIF 3/DSD RAW inputs on BNC jacks
(2) SDIF 3/DSD RAW outputs on BNC jacks
USB 2.0 interface for connection to PC
RS-232 connector for device control
BNC Word Sync Input and Out/Thru with auto termination
Wired RC-RA1000 remote input

ps- now you know what this means, ALL your current disk players, no
matter what format they are, are obsolete, and worth about 9 bucks.
So drop them off at the Salvation Army, and go buy a DSD recorder.

or if you're smart, jump off that stupid downhill trainride, and buy
an Elcaset, or 3.75 IPS pro cassette rig, or open reel deck- and rest
assured digital is no better than analog anyway-

let's go boys...ante up- the membership price to your vaunted digital
format domain, is now $10 G's....10 big ones, for that DSD recorder.

here's the funny part- in 10 years, THAT will be on Ebay for $200 or
less, too..

are the light bulbs in your heads, starting to go off yet ?

[Mr.T]

"jailhouserock" wrote in message
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Why else would he ASK if it was "any good", then go on to claim it is
better
than CD or equivalent to SACD?

Because this idea came to me, and just wanted to know if anyone else
has explored it to its full potential- and owned this equipment.
Obviously, you have not.

No, but I have owned FAR better *proper* tape recorders (and still do)
They mostly gather dust now except when needed to transcribe old tapes.


FWIW, the BIC T-4M cassette deck has FR specs easily matching CD and
SACD specs. See it he



how does this grab you ?

Not at all!


20hz to 21khz @ 1-7/8 IPS
20hz to 24khz @ 3.75 IPS
both specs taken at +/- 3dB

As usual you have no idea what they mean, what recording levels were used,
or what YOURS is actually capable of now!

You fellas jump to digital, without ever having the best analog
equipment in the first place.

WRONG. most of us owned FAR better equipment than cassette crap in days gone
by, and were still very happy when something better came along.

Hint- a 1970 Ferrari or Maserati, will match or beat a 2007 Chevy-
stop judging things by age- start looking at the design and specs.
Just cuz something is old, doesn't mean it's no good.

Hint, a Bugatti Veyron, or a Ferrari 575 will beat either of them by a long
way.
Just because something is old doesn't mean it is still the best.

The A-bomb and H-bomb are "old" too, designed in the 1940-50's. And
they are nothing to laugh at.

With logic like that, no wonder you are happy with your cassette toys.

MrT.

[Mr.T]

"jailhouserock" wrote in message
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On Mar 23, 6:25 am, "jailhouserock"
let's go boys...ante up- the membership price to your vaunted digital
format domain, is now $10 G's....10 big ones, for that DSD recorder.

So to use your car metaphor, if you can't afford a Bugatti Veyron, you just
need to convince yourself that a 20 yo Toyota Corolla was a much better car,
and pretend everything else doesn't exist?

:-) :-) :-) :-)


MrT.

[Mr.T]

"jailhouserock" wrote in message
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BIC, TASCAM, and TEAC aren't consumer electronics- try finding one at
WALMART.

Funny, our Wal-Mart equivalent is full of TEAC gear :-)

MrT.

[Arny Krueger]

"jailhouserock" wrote in
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On Mar 21, 10:17 am, "Richard Crowley"
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"jailhouserock" wrote ...

so you're recommending lossy MP3 and WAV, over analog ?

WAV (as most of us use the term) is not "lossy".
If you are trying to make yourself look foolish, you
are doing a great job.


yes it is- why do you think 44/16 doesn't sound as good
as 96/24 ?

Obviously, you've never done any proper listening tests.

44/16 sounds as good as wire.

[Serge Auckland]

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"jailhouserock" wrote in
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On Mar 21, 10:17 am, "Richard Crowley"
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"jailhouserock" wrote ...

so you're recommending lossy MP3 and WAV, over analog ?

WAV (as most of us use the term) is not "lossy".
If you are trying to make yourself look foolish, you
are doing a great job.


yes it is- why do you think 44/16 doesn't sound as good
as 96/24 ?

Obviously, you've never done any proper listening tests.

44/16 sounds as good as wire.


Ah, but Arnie, you need to specify which wire. We all know that expensive
wire, especially if rubbed on the thighs of Vestal virgins sounds so much
better than other wires.......

S.

[Arny Krueger]

"Richard Crowley" wrote in message

"jailhouserock" wrote ...
"Richard Crowley" wrote:
"jailhouserock" wrote ...

so you're recommending lossy MP3 and WAV, over analog ?

WAV (as most of us use the term) is not "lossy".
If you are trying to make yourself look foolish, you
are doing a great job.

Agreed.

yes it is- why do you think 44/16 doesn't sound as good
as 96/24 ?

Dunno how YOU could hear any difference if you think that
analog cassettes sound remotely like "hi-fi".

Good point.

If jailhouserock can't hear the difference between a cassette copy and a CD
writer copy of the same songn from a CD - well he looks a lot more than
foolish, he looks freakin' deaf!

[Arny Krueger]

"Serge Auckland" wrote in
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"jailhouserock" wrote in
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On Mar 21, 10:17 am, "Richard Crowley"
wrote:
"jailhouserock" wrote ...

so you're recommending lossy MP3 and WAV, over analog
?

WAV (as most of us use the term) is not "lossy".
If you are trying to make yourself look foolish, you
are doing a great job.


yes it is- why do you think 44/16 doesn't sound as good
as 96/24 ?

Obviously, you've never done any proper listening tests.

44/16 sounds as good as wire.


Ah, but Arnie, you need to specify which wire. We all
know that expensive wire, especially if rubbed on the
thighs of Vestal virgins sounds so much better than other
wires.......

You're obvioiusly working with cheap wire there, my friend.

The better wire is rubbed on the insides of the thighs of virgins, and the
best wire is rubbed on...

well you get the idea! ;-)

[Arny Krueger]

"jailhouserock" wrote in
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On Mar 22, 11:05 am, "Richard Crowley"
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"jailhouserock" wrote ...



http://www.thevintageknob.org/THEVAULT/C1/C1-specs.html

someone mentioned somewhere, that these decks can't hit
20-20 bandwidth

yes they can- see for yourself

Are you saying that you actually believe published specs
for consumer electronics? Do you know who writes them?
(Hint: its not the engineers who design and test them.)

So how does yours measure out? Hope you aren't too
disappointed when you actually get around to measuring
it.

BIC, TASCAM, and TEAC aren't consumer electronics- try
finding one at WALMART.

they are professional studio rigs, the best made

Wrong. BIC stands for British Industries Corporation, who first were known
as the US importers of Garrard (consumer) turntables. While Garrard made a
few turntable models that could be thought of as being usable professionally
(e.g., in a radio station), the vast, vast majority of their products were
record changers for consumer use.

When Garrard decided to be their own importer in the 1970s, BIC arranged to
manufacture their own consumer turntables. They had belt drives so there was
no way that they would be used professionally. They branded them BIC.

Wrong again - TEAC is a consumer brand, while TASCAM is the professional
brand for the same company.

So, of the three brands named only one is actually a brand of professional
equipment.