Hi!

I have owned two DVD players, one Panasonic and one NAD. Both are
very slow to load and play a CD, compared to my CD player (Marantz
CD80). I haven't measured the NAD, but the Panasonic took some 12 s to
start play the first track from "drawer open" position. The same
operation is over in less than 4 s on my Marantz CD player. Is this
due to some of the DVD player architechure? It can't take *that* much
time to check for DVD or CD playablity? Or is that it?

Per.

"Per Stromgren" wrote ...
I have owned two DVD players, one Panasonic and one NAD. Both are
very slow to load and play a CD, compared to my CD player (Marantz
CD80). I haven't measured the NAD, but the Panasonic took some 12 s to
start play the first track from "drawer open" position. The same
operation is over in less than 4 s on my Marantz CD player. Is this
due to some of the DVD player architechure? It can't take *that* much
time to check for DVD or CD playablity? Or is that it?

DVDs use smaller tracks and more dense bit-packing
(in order to store 6x more data on the same size disc.)
It just takes longer to "lock up" accurately to the data
track. In addition, there are more tests to see what kind
of disc. Not just the format of the data, but whether it
is a CD or a DVD, for example. IME, computer DVD
drives are also slower to detect the disc upon startup.

"Richard Crowley" wrote in message
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"Per Stromgren" wrote ...
I have owned two DVD players, one Panasonic and one NAD. Both are
very slow to load and play a CD, compared to my CD player (Marantz
CD80). I haven't measured the NAD, but the Panasonic took some 12 s to
start play the first track from "drawer open" position. The same
operation is over in less than 4 s on my Marantz CD player. Is this
due to some of the DVD player architechure? It can't take *that* much
time to check for DVD or CD playablity? Or is that it?

DVDs use smaller tracks and more dense bit-packing
(in order to store 6x more data on the same size disc.)
It just takes longer to "lock up" accurately to the data
track. In addition, there are more tests to see what kind
of disc. Not just the format of the data, but whether it
is a CD or a DVD, for example. IME, computer DVD
drives are also slower to detect the disc upon startup.

I have not noticed DVD ROM drives in computers taking noticeably longer to
become "ready" to read the disc. It does take a heckuva long time to load
Media Player or whatever to view the DVD.

On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:34:51 GMT, "Karl Uppiano"
wrote:

I have not noticed DVD ROM drives in computers taking noticeably longer to
become "ready" to read the disc. It does take a heckuva long time to load
Media Player or whatever to view the DVD.

Less than 2 seconds to load Media Player on any of the 3 computers
here.

But, back to the original question - yes my experience is the same.
Set-top DVD players seem slow to load disks of any format in my
experience too.

"Per Stromgren" wrote in message

Hi!

I have owned two DVD players, one Panasonic and one NAD.
Both are very slow to load and play a CD, compared to my
CD player (Marantz CD80). I haven't measured the NAD, but
the Panasonic took some 12 s to start play the first
track from "drawer open" position. The same operation is
over in less than 4 s on my Marantz CD player. Is this
due to some of the DVD player architechure? It can't take
*that* much time to check for DVD or CD playablity? Or is
that it?

Yes, I've noticed that DVD players (and newer CD players
like the one in my car) take much longer to load a disc.

Depending on the formats that the DVD player supports, there
can be a lot "try to read it this way, try it that way"
action going on. AFAIK DVD, DVD+R, DVD-R, DVD+RW, DVD-RW,
CD, CD(data) CD-R, CD-R(data) CD-RW, CD-RW (data) might all
potentially get individual attempts at reading. AFAIK all
DVD's on a given kind of media are the same as far as data
and file format goes.

Loading a media player on a PC might start playing faster
because a lot of this work is done when the media is loaded,
which may preceed the loading of the software.

The process would make more sense if the player displayed
the name of each format being attempted during the attempt.
My HHB CD recorder does this.

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:28:13 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Per Stromgren" wrote in message

Hi!

I have owned two DVD players, one Panasonic and one NAD.
Both are very slow to load and play a CD, compared to my
CD player (Marantz CD80). I haven't measured the NAD, but
the Panasonic took some 12 s to start play the first
track from "drawer open" position. The same operation is
over in less than 4 s on my Marantz CD player. Is this
due to some of the DVD player architechure? It can't take
*that* much time to check for DVD or CD playablity? Or is
that it?

Yes, I've noticed that DVD players (and newer CD players
like the one in my car) take much longer to load a disc.

But that makes these wonderful play-it-all machines a lot less useful,
at least as I see it. I thought of replacing the aging Marantz CD
player with a modern NAD DVD player, but I'm not so sure about that
anymore. I get a feeling that this is a step backwards in usability.

But perhaps I just has to get used to it.


Depending on the formats that the DVD player supports, there
can be a lot "try to read it this way, try it that way"
action going on. AFAIK DVD, DVD+R, DVD-R, DVD+RW, DVD-RW,
CD, CD(data) CD-R, CD-R(data) CD-RW, CD-RW (data) might all
potentially get individual attempts at reading.

Can anyone familiar with the innards of these machines confirm that
this is the reason?


The process would make more sense if the player displayed
the name of each format being attempted during the attempt.

.... and it would be configurable to test your favourites first!

My HHB CD recorder does this.

Is the order configurable?

Per.

"Per Stromgren" wrote in message


On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:28:13 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Per Stromgren" wrote in
message
Depending on the formats that the DVD player supports,
there can be a lot "try to read it this way, try it that
way" action going on. AFAIK DVD, DVD+R, DVD-R, DVD+RW,
DVD-RW, CD, CD(data) CD-R, CD-R(data) CD-RW, CD-RW
(data) might all potentially get individual attempts at
reading.

Can anyone familiar with the innards of these machines
confirm that this is the reason?


The process would make more sense if the player displayed
the name of each format being attempted during the
attempt.

... and it would be configurable to test your favourites
first!

My HHB CD recorder does this.

Is the order configurable?

AFAIK, no.

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:12:41 +0100, Laurence Payne wrote:


On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:34:51 GMT, "Karl Uppiano"
wrote:

I have not noticed DVD ROM drives in computers taking noticeably longer to
become "ready" to read the disc. It does take a heckuva long time to load
Media Player or whatever to view the DVD.

Less than 2 seconds to load Media Player on any of the 3 computers
here.

But, back to the original question - yes my experience is the same.
Set-top DVD players seem slow to load disks of any format in my
experience too.

Does it really matter if a player takes 2 or 5 seconds when you're forced to
watch 30 seconds of idiotic FBI warnings and studio introductory graphics?

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:15:47 +0200, Per Stromgren
wrote:

But that makes these wonderful play-it-all machines a lot less useful,
at least as I see it. I thought of replacing the aging Marantz CD
player with a modern NAD DVD player, but I'm not so sure about that
anymore. I get a feeling that this is a step backwards in usability.

But perhaps I just has to get used to it.

Being able to play DVDs is a big step forward in usability, if you
want the unit to play DVDs. If you don't, why change?

On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:28:10 +0100, Laurence Payne
wrote:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:15:47 +0200, Per Stromgren
wrote:

But that makes these wonderful play-it-all machines a lot less useful,
at least as I see it. I thought of replacing the aging Marantz CD
player with a modern NAD DVD player, but I'm not so sure about that
anymore. I get a feeling that this is a step backwards in usability.

But perhaps I just has to get used to it.

Being able to play DVDs is a big step forward in usability, if you
want the unit to play DVDs.

Granted.

If you don't, why change?

Because you can't get well designed CD players at realistic prices
anymore. What's left seems to be left are the overpriced high-end
players, and cheap DVD players, and I thought I could go with the DVD
players. But I also had some 5.1 sound in mind, to be honest.

Per.

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:35:37 GMT, AZ Nomad
wrote:


Does it really matter if a player takes 2 or 5 seconds when you're forced to
watch 30 seconds of idiotic FBI warnings and studio introductory graphics?

I was talking audio CD:s, which don't have FBI warnings around here.
Yet.

Per.

Per Stromgren wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:28:13 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


"Per Stromgren" wrote in message
m

Hi!

I have owned two DVD players, one Panasonic and one NAD.
Both are very slow to load and play a CD, compared to my
CD player (Marantz CD80). I haven't measured the NAD, but
the Panasonic took some 12 s to start play the first
track from "drawer open" position. The same operation is
over in less than 4 s on my Marantz CD player. Is this
due to some of the DVD player architechure? It can't take
*that* much time to check for DVD or CD playablity? Or is
that it?

Yes, I've noticed that DVD players (and newer CD players
like the one in my car) take much longer to load a disc.


But that makes these wonderful play-it-all machines a lot less useful,
at least as I see it. I thought of replacing the aging Marantz CD
player with a modern NAD DVD player, but I'm not so sure about that
anymore. I get a feeling that this is a step backwards in usability.

But perhaps I just has to get used to it.


Depending on the formats that the DVD player supports, there
can be a lot "try to read it this way, try it that way"
action going on. AFAIK DVD, DVD+R, DVD-R, DVD+RW, DVD-RW,
CD, CD(data) CD-R, CD-R(data) CD-RW, CD-RW (data) might all
potentially get individual attempts at reading.


Can anyone familiar with the innards of these machines confirm that
this is the reason?


The process would make more sense if the player displayed
the name of each format being attempted during the attempt.


... and it would be configurable to test your favourites first!


My HHB CD recorder does this.


Is the order configurable?

Per.

Think of it this way: A DVD player is really a multiple format optical
disk player. Your Marantz is a single format optical disk player. When
you put in a disk into the DVD player, it has to 1st figure out if the
disk is a DVD or CD. Then, if its a DVD, is it a DVD-V, DVDR etc. If
it's a CD, is it CD Audio, ISO etc.

Your Marantz from the get go assumes CD-Audio. No fusswork there. The
only thing your Marantz takes a small amout of time to read when you put
in the disk is the table of contents.


Getting used to the slow load of a DVD Player is a good idea. As you
noticed, the market is heading single player that can read any optical
disk. The single format CD player is a dead format walking.

CD