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Share Your Snake Oil Story...
I'm sure we all have our favorite snake oil story...
Mine comes from Lyric HiFi here in New York, when they tried to sell me little coin size metallic stickers. At $250.00 each, they supposedly improved the sound by "dampening the field-effect resonance" on your individual components. What??? I could hardly contain my laughter! Then there was the afternoon at Sound by Singer (a more appropriate name for this rug merchant would be 'Sound by Swindler'), where he had a customer convinced his prospective $500,000.00 system was so precise, that one could actually distinguish between two identically titled CD's - by the subtle differences on the pitted surface of the disk. I'm not even going to start sharing what salesmen have said while trying to sell me cables... A_C |
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How about those pyramid cones to isolate speakers from the mounting
surface------ I've watched proponents wax on and on about which direction to put the point-speaker or surface... "Agent_C" wrote in message oups.com... I'm sure we all have our favorite snake oil story... Mine comes from Lyric HiFi here in New York, when they tried to sell me little coin size metallic stickers. At $250.00 each, they supposedly improved the sound by "dampening the field-effect resonance" on your individual components. What??? I could hardly contain my laughter! Then there was the afternoon at Sound by Singer (a more appropriate name for this rug merchant would be 'Sound by Swindler'), where he had a customer convinced his prospective $500,000.00 system was so precise, that one could actually distinguish between two identically titled CD's - by the subtle differences on the pitted surface of the disk. I'm not even going to start sharing what salesmen have said while trying to sell me cables... A_C |
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"Dave Kowalski" wrote in message
How about those pyramid cones to isolate speakers from the mounting surface------ They can do a number on fine finshed floors. Oh, I get it - you need some sort of magical thing to put under them for only $95.00 each or $395 for a set of 4. I've watched proponents wax on and on about which direction to put the point-speaker or surface... Yeah, some say that the pointy tip-toes under components act like mechanical rectifiers. I would think that would be a bad thing - generates nonlinear distortion. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Dave Kowalski" wrote in message How about those pyramid cones to isolate speakers from the mounting surface------ They can do a number on fine finshed floors. Oh, I get it - you need some sort of magical thing to put under them for only $95.00 each or $395 for a set of 4. I've watched proponents wax on and on about which direction to put the point-speaker or surface... Yeah, some say that the pointy tip-toes under components act like mechanical rectifiers. I would think that would be a bad thing - generates nonlinear distortion. ever hear if the "lunar gravity compensator" for tone arms? this cam comes with a tide chart and is used to adjust tracking force to compensate for the slight gravitational pull of the moon. |
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TimPerry wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Dave Kowalski" wrote in message How about those pyramid cones to isolate speakers from the mounting surface------ They can do a number on fine finshed floors. Oh, I get it - you need some sort of magical thing to put under them for only $95.00 each or $395 for a set of 4. I've watched proponents wax on and on about which direction to put the point-speaker or surface... Yeah, some say that the pointy tip-toes under components act like mechanical rectifiers. I would think that would be a bad thing - generates nonlinear distortion. ever hear if the "lunar gravity compensator" for tone arms? this cam comes with a tide chart and is used to adjust tracking force to compensate for the slight gravitational pull of the moon. So THAT's why my turntable sounds funny when I'm playing it on the beach, and it always co-incided with high tide Oh, and the sand inside my motor bearings, do they have something for that, too? CD |
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"Codifus" wrote in message ... TimPerry wrote: "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Dave Kowalski" wrote in message How about those pyramid cones to isolate speakers from the mounting surface------ They can do a number on fine finshed floors. Oh, I get it - you need some sort of magical thing to put under them for only $95.00 each or $395 for a set of 4. I've watched proponents wax on and on about which direction to put the point-speaker or surface... Yeah, some say that the pointy tip-toes under components act like mechanical rectifiers. I would think that would be a bad thing - generates nonlinear distortion. ever hear if the "lunar gravity compensator" for tone arms? this cam comes with a tide chart and is used to adjust tracking force to compensate for the slight gravitational pull of the moon. So THAT's why my turntable sounds funny when I'm playing it on the beach, and it always co-incided with high tide Oh, and the sand inside my motor bearings, do they have something for that, too? CD remember the "ZeroStat" gun for records? all you need is the Megastat Cannon (tm) to create an instant static repulsion field for ANY electronic device. perfect for drunken beach parties. as an added feature the Megastat Cannon (tm) actually attracts topless babes. |
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On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:06:57 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: "Dave Kowalski" wrote in message How about those pyramid cones to isolate speakers from the mounting surface------ They can do a number on fine finshed floors. Oh, I get it - you need some sort of magical thing to put under them for only $95.00 each or $395 for a set of 4. Kruger Rands would surely be the best? :-) -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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One of my personal favorites...oh yeah....these look like a good
investment...not! Tekna Sonic C-5 BookShelf Speaker Enhancer - Pair $79.95 Even the finest speakers have cabinet vibrations that make bass notes muddy or boomy, and distort the midrange. Now Tekna Sonic offers a simple solution guaranteed to improve bass and midrange clarity. C-5 vibration absorbers feature an array of polymer damping plates - selectively tuned to frequencies in the 20-1kHz range - which attach magnetically to the back of the speaker cabinet. "Dave Kowalski" wrote in message ... How about those pyramid cones to isolate speakers from the mounting surface------ I've watched proponents wax on and on about which direction to put the point-speaker or surface... "Agent_C" wrote in message oups.com... I'm sure we all have our favorite snake oil story... Mine comes from Lyric HiFi here in New York, when they tried to sell me little coin size metallic stickers. At $250.00 each, they supposedly improved the sound by "dampening the field-effect resonance" on your individual components. What??? I could hardly contain my laughter! Then there was the afternoon at Sound by Singer (a more appropriate name for this rug merchant would be 'Sound by Swindler'), where he had a customer convinced his prospective $500,000.00 system was so precise, that one could actually distinguish between two identically titled CD's - by the subtle differences on the pitted surface of the disk. I'm not even going to start sharing what salesmen have said while trying to sell me cables... A_C |
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"scott" wrote in :
One of my personal favorites...oh yeah....these look like a good investment...not! Tekna Sonic C-5 BookShelf Speaker Enhancer - Pair $79.95 Even the finest speakers have cabinet vibrations that make bass notes muddy or boomy, and distort the midrange. Now Tekna Sonic offers a simple solution guaranteed to improve bass and midrange clarity. C-5 vibration absorbers feature an array of polymer damping plates - selectively tuned to frequencies in the 20-1kHz range - which attach magnetically to the back of the speaker cabinet. This begs the qustion of how one magnetically attaches anything to a wood cabinet. r "Dave Kowalski" wrote in message ... How about those pyramid cones to isolate speakers from the mounting surface------ I've watched proponents wax on and on about which direction to put the point-speaker or surface... "Agent_C" wrote in message oups.com... I'm sure we all have our favorite snake oil story... Mine comes from Lyric HiFi here in New York, when they tried to sell me little coin size metallic stickers. At $250.00 each, they supposedly improved the sound by "dampening the field-effect resonance" on your individual components. What??? I could hardly contain my laughter! Then there was the afternoon at Sound by Singer (a more appropriate name for this rug merchant would be 'Sound by Swindler'), where he had a customer convinced his prospective $500,000.00 system was so precise, that one could actually distinguish between two identically titled CD's - by the subtle differences on the pitted surface of the disk. I'm not even going to start sharing what salesmen have said while trying to sell me cables... A_C |
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"scott" wrote in message
... One of my personal favorites...oh yeah....these look like a good investment...not! Tekna Sonic C-5 BookShelf Speaker Enhancer - Pair $79.95 Even the finest speakers have cabinet vibrations that make bass notes muddy or boomy, and distort the midrange. Now Tekna Sonic offers a simple solution guaranteed to improve bass and midrange clarity. C-5 vibration absorbers feature an array of polymer damping plates - selectively tuned to frequencies in the 20-1kHz range - which attach magnetically to the back of the speaker cabinet. Hmm... I've never heard of these things but large enough lead weights screwed onto the mid-point of front, top and sides of cheap speakers would definitely lower the fundamental "oil can" mode of cabinet vibration. Of course, they would look awful... g Solution: brace inside properly. Cheers, Roger |
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On 3/3/05 8:51 AM, in article , "Dave Kowalski"
wrote: How about those pyramid cones to isolate speakers from the mounting surface------ I've watched proponents wax on and on about which direction to put the point-speaker or surface... "Agent_C" wrote in message oups.com... I'm sure we all have our favorite snake oil story... Mine comes from Lyric HiFi here in New York, when they tried to sell me little coin size metallic stickers. At $250.00 each, they supposedly improved the sound by "dampening the field-effect resonance" on your individual components. What??? I could hardly contain my laughter! Then there was the afternoon at Sound by Singer (a more appropriate name for this rug merchant would be 'Sound by Swindler'), where he had a customer convinced his prospective $500,000.00 system was so precise, that one could actually distinguish between two identically titled CD's - by the subtle differences on the pitted surface of the disk. I'm not even going to start sharing what salesmen have said while trying to sell me cables... I confess to having a set of these ceramic doodads for my little Tannoys, bought soley because the Tannoy tech folks said they indeed were worth having. At $5 a set I wasn;t worried for the experiment. I'm still not sure if the black ones sound darker than the brown ones. |
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"John" wrote in message ... On 3/3/05 8:51 AM, in article , "Dave Kowalski" wrote: How about those pyramid cones to isolate speakers from the mounting surface------ I've watched proponents wax on and on about which direction to put the point-speaker or surface... "Agent_C" wrote in message oups.com... I'm sure we all have our favorite snake oil story... Mine comes from Lyric HiFi here in New York, when they tried to sell me little coin size metallic stickers. At $250.00 each, they supposedly improved the sound by "dampening the field-effect resonance" on your individual components. What??? I could hardly contain my laughter! Then there was the afternoon at Sound by Singer (a more appropriate name for this rug merchant would be 'Sound by Swindler'), where he had a customer convinced his prospective $500,000.00 system was so precise, that one could actually distinguish between two identically titled CD's - by the subtle differences on the pitted surface of the disk. I'm not even going to start sharing what salesmen have said while trying to sell me cables... I confess to having a set of these ceramic doodads for my little Tannoys, bought soley because the Tannoy tech folks said they indeed were worth having. At $5 a set I wasn;t worried for the experiment. I'm still not sure if the black ones sound darker than the brown ones. they probably sound "warmer" as the black exterior absorbs more heat and as we all know a warmer objects molecules move faster. ... maybe nickel plated ones are needed for heavy metal music? |
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And the winner is..... http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Me.../merchant.mvc? Screen=PROD&Product_Code=NOB_C37_C&Category_Code=V OLUME&Product_Count=2 |
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"Mike Diack" wrote in message .. . And the winner is..... http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Me.../merchant.mvc? Screen=PROD&Product_Code=NOB_C37_C&Category_Code=V OLUME&Product_Count=2 oh yes... i wonder what a "Audio Consulting AC Isolation Transformer ($340 Installed)" is? |
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On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 00:13:55 GMT, Mike Diack
wrote: And the winner is..... http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Me.../merchant.mvc? Screen=PROD&Product_Code=NOB_C37_C&Category_Code= VOLUME&Product_Count=2 I prefer the magic laquer myself... although it is less expensive. http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Me...ory_C ode=C37 |
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After seeing that link, I have to say that there should be government
regulations about audio equipment. I have never seen good physics of electronics be able to be applied in such a fashion! -- Jerry G. ===== "Mike Diack" wrote in message .. . And the winner is..... http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Me.../merchant.mvc? Screen=PROD&Product_Code=NOB_C37_C&Category_Code=V OLUME&Product_Count=2 |
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"Mike Diack" wrote in message
.. . And the winner is..... http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Me.../merchant.mvc? Screen=PROD&Product_Code=NOB_C37_C&Category_Code=V OLUME&Product_Count=2 Man, you beat me to it. |
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On 2005-03-04 11:13:55 +1100, Mike Diack said:
And the winner is..... http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Me.../merchant.mvc? Screen=PROD&Product_Code=NOB_C37_C&Category_Code=V OLUME&Product_Count=2 Yep, if you will spend nearly $500 on one of these, you're a stirling, rockheaded knob... hence the product's name... |
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On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 17:15:56 GMT, John wrote:
... I confess to having a set of these ceramic doodads for my little Tannoys, bought soley because the Tannoy tech folks said they indeed were worth having. At $5 a set I wasn;t worried for the experiment. I'm still not sure if the black ones sound darker than the brown ones. If they do it's probably synesthesia. ----- http://mindspring.com/~benbradley |
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"Agent_C" wrote in message
oups.com I'm sure we all have our favorite snake oil story... Recently I got John Atkinson of Stereophile to confirm that SP ran an article about the sonic advantages of treating CDs with Armor All. In fact the result was damaged CDs. |
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Agent_C wrote:
Then there was the afternoon at Sound by Singer (a more appropriate name for this rug merchant would be 'Sound by Swindler'), where he had a customer convinced his prospective $500,000.00 system was so precise, that one could actually distinguish between two identically titled CD's - by the subtle differences on the pitted surface of the disk. But that's the case with nearly any playback system. The pitted surface of the disk contains the data. You play back an early pressing of an album mastered flat, then you play back a later pressing that is compressed to hell, and there will sure be substantial audible differences on the same title. And those differences is because the data on the disc is different... on the pitted surfaces. Okay, they aren't maybe subtle differences. In the case of some albums they are anything BUT subtle.... --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
Agent_C wrote: Then there was the afternoon at Sound by Singer (a more appropriate name for this rug merchant would be 'Sound by Swindler'), where he had a customer convinced his prospective $500,000.00 system was so precise, that one could actually distinguish between two identically titled CD's - by the subtle differences on the pitted surface of the disk. But that's the case with nearly any playback system. The pitted surface of the disk contains the data. You play back an early pressing of an album mastered flat, then you play back a later pressing that is compressed to hell, and there will sure be substantial audible differences on the same title. And those differences is because the data on the disc is different... on the pitted surfaces. Okay, they aren't maybe subtle differences. In the case of some albums they are anything BUT subtle.... Isn't this kinda begging the question, Scott? What the high priests at Singer are claiming is that identical data on CDs pressed right after each other with the same dies can be reasonably be expected to sound different, due to the extreme resolution of their megabuck CD players. And you know what, I can prove this to be true. All it takes is a properly-tuned finger print on one of the otherwise-identical CDs. If a $30,000 or even a $3,000 sale were contingent, I might be tempted... |
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In rec.audio.tech Arny Krueger wrote:
"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message Agent_C wrote: Then there was the afternoon at Sound by Singer (a more appropriate name for this rug merchant would be 'Sound by Swindler'), where he had a customer convinced his prospective $500,000.00 system was so precise, that one could actually distinguish between two identically titled CD's - by the subtle differences on the pitted surface of the disk. But that's the case with nearly any playback system. The pitted surface of the disk contains the data. You play back an early pressing of an album mastered flat, then you play back a later pressing that is compressed to hell, and there will sure be substantial audible differences on the same title. And those differences is because the data on the disc is different... on the pitted surfaces. Okay, they aren't maybe subtle differences. In the case of some albums they are anything BUT subtle.... Isn't this kinda begging the question, Scott? What the high priests at Singer are claiming is that identical data on CDs pressed right after each other with the same dies can be reasonably be expected to sound different, due to the extreme resolution of their megabuck CD players. *Possibly* the Singer folk claim that too -- having shopped in the NYC hi-end dens, I won't put anything past Singer and Lyric, veritable temples of tweakdom and snake-oil -- but Agent C only said the CDs were *identically titled* -- which could include remastered CDs, which certainly do tend to sound different from previous editions....and have different pits too ; That's what Scott is getting at. Of course even a $500 system, or a $15 portable discman, could reveal audible difference between many remastered CDs... -- -S It's not my business to do intelligent work. -- D. Rumsfeld, testifying before the House Armed Services Committee |
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Agent_C wrote: I'm sure we all have our favorite snake oil story... Mine comes from Lyric HiFi here in New York, when they tried to sell me little coin size metallic stickers. At $250.00 each, they supposedly improved the sound by "dampening the field-effect resonance" on your individual components. What??? I could hardly contain my laughter! Then there was the afternoon at Sound by Singer (a more appropriate name for this rug merchant would be 'Sound by Swindler'), where he had a customer convinced his prospective $500,000.00 system was so precise, that one could actually distinguish between two identically titled CD's - by the subtle differences on the pitted surface of the disk. I'm not even going to start sharing what salesmen have said while trying to sell me cables... A_C My favorites are those little teflon sticks being sold to audiofools to support speaker cables up off and away from the lossy dielectric plastic fibers in your carpet. Mark |
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My favorites are those little teflon sticks being sold to audiofools to support speaker cables up off and away from the lossy dielectric plastic fibers in your carpet. Mark hey that a new one! where can i see it? |
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TimPerry wrote: My favorites are those little teflon sticks being sold to audiofools to support speaker cables up off and away from the lossy dielectric plastic fibers in your carpet. Mark hey that a new one! where can i see it? http://www.xit.net/kenan/testimonials.htm or google these keywords "speaker cables" "off the floor" its off the wall if you ask me :-) Mark |
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Mark wrote:
My favorites are those little teflon sticks being sold to audiofools to support speaker cables up off and away from the lossy dielectric plastic fibers in your carpet. Actually, those are just to make it easier to vacuum clean the carpet. -- ha |
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"hank alrich" wrote in message .. . Mark wrote: My favorites are those little teflon sticks being sold to audiofools to support speaker cables up off and away from the lossy dielectric plastic fibers in your carpet. Actually, those are just to make it easier to vacuum clean the carpet. NO.... You can't vacuum the carpet! The motor in the vacuum cleaner creates an electromagnetic field that will cause you to have to go out and spend $100,000 on little miracle devices to clean that horrible magnetic mess off of your entire stereo system.... if the salesman doesn't convince you first that you have to just replace the whole thing. You've 'exposed' the electrons to confusion and they're... um... well, confused! |
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Agent_C wrote:
I'm sure we all have our favorite snake oil story... Mine comes from Lyric HiFi here in New York, when they tried to sell me little coin size metallic stickers. At $250.00 each, they supposedly improved the sound by "dampening the field-effect resonance" on your individual components. What??? I could hardly contain my laughter! Then there was the afternoon at Sound by Singer (a more appropriate name for this rug merchant would be 'Sound by Swindler'), where he had a customer convinced his prospective $500,000.00 system was so precise, that one could actually distinguish between two identically titled CD's - by the subtle differences on the pitted surface of the disk. I'm not even going to start sharing what salesmen have said while trying to sell me cables... A_C Not as "off the wall" as some of the tales here, but when shopping for an MD for sound effects playback in a theatre, I was told by spotty yoof in Richer Sounds that "player X had a better sound because it went through fewer buttons on the front panel than player Y". Needless to say, I did laugh in his face and, quite loudly, explained to the whole shop that he new dip-**** about audio. Might just have lost them a few sales that day. I DID buy one of them, just happened to be the one with more knobs/buttons. There again, I was only really interested in one feature; "Can you set it to pause after each track?" |
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"Andrew Chesters" wrote in message ... Agent_C wrote: I'm sure we all have our favorite snake oil story... Mine comes from Lyric HiFi here in New York, when they tried to sell me little coin size metallic stickers. At $250.00 each, they supposedly improved the sound by "dampening the field-effect resonance" on your individual components. What??? I could hardly contain my laughter! Then there was the afternoon at Sound by Singer (a more appropriate name for this rug merchant would be 'Sound by Swindler'), where he had a customer convinced his prospective $500,000.00 system was so precise, that one could actually distinguish between two identically titled CD's - by the subtle differences on the pitted surface of the disk. I'm not even going to start sharing what salesmen have said while trying to sell me cables... A_C Not as "off the wall" as some of the tales here, but when shopping for an MD for sound effects playback in a theatre, I was told by spotty yoof in Richer Sounds that "player X had a better sound because it went through fewer buttons on the front panel than player Y". Needless to say, I did laugh in his face and, quite loudly, explained to the whole shop that he new dip-**** about audio. Might just have lost them a few sales that day. I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the company which sells wooden *control knobs* for stereo equipment! They claim all sorts of 'subtle' sonic advantages when compared to the original plastic or metal ones.... jak I DID buy one of them, just happened to be the one with more knobs/buttons. There again, I was only really interested in one feature; "Can you set it to pause after each track?" |
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Agent_C wrote:
I'm sure we all have our favorite snake oil story... Some of my favorite snake oil products have come from the Shakti company: http://www.shakti-innovations.com/audiovideo.htm They not only improve your audio, but the same technology will make your car run better! http://www.shakti-innovations.com/automotive.htm And here's their latest innovation: http://www.shakti-innovations.com/hallograph.htm |
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"Jim Gilliland" wrote in message... And here's their latest innovation: http://www.shakti-innovations.com/hallograph.htm Oh my.... :-\ |
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David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:
"Jim Gilliland" wrote in message... And here's their latest innovation: http://www.shakti-innovations.com/hallograph.htm Oh my.... :-\ They've been in business for over a decade! |
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"Jim Gilliland" wrote in message ... David Morgan (MAMS) wrote: "Jim Gilliland" wrote in message... And here's their latest innovation: http://www.shakti-innovations.com/hallograph.htm Oh my.... :-\ They've been in business for over a decade! No wonder the political situation is like it is.... |
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Jim Gilliland wrote:
David Morgan (MAMS) wrote: "Jim Gilliland" wrote in message... And here's their latest innovation: http://www.shakti-innovations.com/hallograph.htm Oh my.... :-\ They've been in business for over a decade! The current "SBEM"* rate of 1 is still probably about the same as it was in P.T. Barnum's day, so that would come out to about 1/2 a million new SPEM's every year, or 5,000,000 SBEM in a decade. That's a healthy market share. *SBEM = "Sucker Born Every Minute" Harvey Gerst Indian Trail Recording Studio http://www.ITRstudio.com/ |
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"Harvey Gerst" wrote in message ... The current "SBEM"* rate of 1 is still probably about the same as it was in P.T. Barnum's day, I disagree, I think the rate increased during the baby boom, and therefore the total is a lot higher now than in P.T's day. MrT. |
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On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:21:09 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
wrote: "Jim Gilliland" wrote in message... And here's their latest innovation: http://www.shakti-innovations.com/hallograph.htm Oh my.... :-\ They say they have a patent pending for that... wonder if it's true. What are the patent regulations, does the patented invention actually have to work, or can any crazy thing be patented? Al |
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They say they have a patent pending for that... wonder if it's true.
What are the patent regulations, does the patented invention actually have to work, or can any crazy thing be patented? In theory, a patented invention must be "useful", "novel", and "non-obvious". Most would say that "useful" requires that it actually work, at least to some extent. It used to be the case, long ago, that you had to actually build at least a working model and be able to demonstrate that the device worked. However, in practice, the rules have changed. Many patent claims are allowed based solely on a description (which must, again in principle, be sufficiently detailed to allow someone skilled in the art to reproduce the invention as described) and no working model is ever presented. It's also clear that many patent examiners are content to accept the filer's explanation about how and why the invention works, and that they're sometimes woefully ignorant of the actual state of the art and of the existence of relevant prior art. On the other hand, "patent pending" simply means that they've filed. It doesn't mean that the patent has been issued, or has even been allowed and is on the way to being issued. It's entirely possible that most or all of their claims have been, or will be laughed out of court by the patent examiner. Even if they do have a valid patent claim in the works, there's nothing definite to say that their flowery public description about how their product is supposed to work, corresponds at all closely to the wording in the patent claims. They might have filed a patent claim for some narrowly-worded aspect of the design of this specific product (e.g. a specific size and shape of the ripples), without trying to claim wider coverage via a "utility" patent and its description and claims. -- Dave Platt AE6EO Hosting the Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads! |
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"Dave Platt" wrote in message
... They say they have a patent pending for that... wonder if it's true. What are the patent regulations, does the patented invention actually have to work, or can any crazy thing be patented? In theory, a patented invention must be "useful", "novel", and "non-obvious". Most would say that "useful" requires that it actually work, at least to some extent. It used to be the case, long ago, that you had to actually build at least a working model and be able to demonstrate that the device worked. They say one of the simplest patents ever granted was for the number 1.65. It was granted to Phillip H. Smith as the optimum diameter ratio for a coaxial transmission line. Not often I get to use that bit of trivia. dtk |
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