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M-Audio audiophile 2496 + Serial ATA + WinXP HELP!!!!
hello everybody,
i hope that someone can help me with this problem i had with this system using a M-AUDIO AUDIOPHILE 2496 pci sound card. MB: Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe (chipset Nvidia nForce2) CPU: Athlon XP 3000+ RAM: 1024 Mb HD: Maxtor 120 GB SERIAL ATA video card: ATI Radeon 9200 Integrated apu: MCP-T southbridge audio card: M-Audio Audiophile 2496 (PCI) OS: Windows XP with service pack 1 the card itself has no difects, because i tested it on another system successfully, but in this system i hear frequent clicks on both playback (through winamp, wmp, sound forge, fruity loops, cubase) and recording. clicks are irregular, and occur every 5-10 seconds on a 16/44.1 wav file, more frequently at higher sample rates. clicks during recording are not audible while recording takes place, but they are on the waveshape in playback, and they appear as irregularities 5-10 samples long (analyzed with sound forge). of course i followed every single advice i found on m-audio's file about clicks on xp (he http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=...29 5aec1f755b), including pci slot change and switching from ACPI to standard PC mode for re-assigning IRQs. Of course i'm using the newest drivers for everything (motherboard, audiophile, sata(raid controller), and i tried also to disabilitate everything i could from the BIOS. then i mounted on the same system an IDE hard disk with Windows 98SE and booted the system as win98, the sata controller was "invisible" on this configuration and so was the serial ata hard disc, but the sound card worked properly. this leads me to exclude a conflict with the video card or the mother board. my suspects now go to Windows XP or to the sata/raid controller. at this stage, i'm planning to switch to win98, though that would be suicidal, or wait XP service pack 2 hoping that it corrects the error, or trying to update the MB's firmware, or wait for an update for the sata/raid controller or for the audiophile itself. is any of you familiar with theis kind of problems, that is conflicts between audiophile and sata controllers or windows xp on asus maiboards? thanx in advance... |
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M-Audio audiophile 2496 + Serial ATA + WinXP HELP!!!!
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A59 wrote: then i mounted on the same system an IDE hard disk with Windows 98SE and booted the system as win98, the sata controller was "invisible" on this configuration and so was the serial ata hard disc, but the sound card worked properly. this leads me to exclude a conflict with the video card or the mother board. I wouldn't be convinced of that so quickly. First thing I'd do is lose the ATI card, and I might even disable the onboard nvidia circuit, and use something like a PCI card from my spares box. Something from 1997 should be fine. OTOH, the video card probably isn't the problem, but you certainly don't need it in there while you're troubleshooting audio! Next, I'd forget all about SATA, but I imagine it's too late in your case. If I couldn't afford to do SCSI RAID, I would not bother. Irregular clicks on the recording you say? You don't hear them while you're recording because you're using the Delta card's realtime monitor, not the sample. I'd almost be willing to bet that the cause of your problem is related to DMA, but this is new stuff -- I'm not even sure you can enable/disable it like you could before. I have been blissfully happy with the same sound card under XP, on a shuttle XPC, which is a very similar chipset to your ASUS. is any of you familiar with theis kind of problems, that is conflicts between audiophile and sata controllers or windows xp on asus maiboards? thanx in advance... I am convinced that SATA is a work-in-progress that's been rushed to market, and my personal strategy is to avoid it like the plague. There's really no problem between the Delta card and XP SP1. With the sort of buffering that goes on with your gig of RAM, you really don't need whatever performance benefits you supposedly get from SATA. It's actually enough memory that you can record to a ramdisk! (But if your disk buffering works properly, that's exactly what should be happening behind the scenes.) |
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M-Audio audiophile 2496 + Serial ATA + WinXP HELP!!!!
james wrote:
I am convinced that SATA is a work-in-progress that's been rushed to market Hardly--SATA is nearly two years late according to its original release schedule. With the sort of buffering that goes on with your gig of RAM, you really don't need whatever performance benefits you supposedly get from SATA. The primary benefits of SATA with current hard drive technology a - Reduced airflow restrictions and lower cost due to reduced pin-count cabling. - Standardized physical connector location a la SCA for SCSI. - Reduced power consumption due to elimination of 5V TTL signaling. - Support for hot swapping of drives. There are more specifics and additional (SATA 2.0+) features) but the aforementioned are interesting enough for most of us... |
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M-Audio audiophile 2496 + Serial ATA + WinXP HELP!!!!
A59 wrote:
MB: Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe (chipset Nvidia nForce2) CPU: Athlon XP 3000+ RAM: 1024 Mb HD: Maxtor 120 GB SERIAL ATA video card: ATI Radeon 9200 Integrated apu: MCP-T southbridge audio card: M-Audio Audiophile 2496 (PCI) OS: Windows XP with service pack 1 the card itself has no difects, because i tested it on another system successfully, but in this system i hear frequent clicks on both playback If the serial ata is implemented as functionally on the PCI bus, according to information read elsewhere it may so be in some designs, then it is a "your'e dead", harddisk controllers on the PCI bus are bad, harddisk controllers hanging directly off of the chipset, as the standard IDE controller may do, are good and have better performance. The problem could be that the SATA controller gobbles up all your PCI bandwidth, it may even be "ill behaved" and do so for too long time. at this stage, i'm planning to switch to win98, though that would be suicidal, or wait XP service pack 2 hoping that it corrects the error, or trying to update the MB's firmware, or wait for an update for the sata/raid controller or for the audiophile itself. None of these may help. You say that all worked with the SATA controller disabled, it could be the bandwith gobbling issue refered to above. is any of you familiar with theis kind of problems, Yes. My old P2-300 can not do click free sp-dif in with a disk controller sitting on the PCI bus, even if this controller is faster than the controller on the mobo. Not nice as it is supposed to be standby spare daw. Disable SATA and - perhaps - be happy. Kind regards Peter Larsen -- ******************************************* * My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk * ******************************************* |
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M-Audio audiophile 2496 + Serial ATA + WinXP HELP!!!!
FWIW, I had some difficulties with any of the nVidia boards with the
"deluxe" chipsets. I switched to MSI (same chipset) but without all the deluxe features and everything worked OK. I was using an Echo Gina, but was having difficulties similar to yours. In addition my soundcard drivers caused boot up problems every once in a while. CA "A59" wrote in message om... hello everybody, i hope that someone can help me with this problem i had with this system using a M-AUDIO AUDIOPHILE 2496 pci sound card. MB: Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe (chipset Nvidia nForce2) CPU: Athlon XP 3000+ RAM: 1024 Mb HD: Maxtor 120 GB SERIAL ATA video card: ATI Radeon 9200 Integrated apu: MCP-T southbridge audio card: M-Audio Audiophile 2496 (PCI) OS: Windows XP with service pack 1 the card itself has no difects, because i tested it on another system successfully, but in this system i hear frequent clicks on both playback (through winamp, wmp, sound forge, fruity loops, cubase) and recording. clicks are irregular, and occur every 5-10 seconds on a 16/44.1 wav file, more frequently at higher sample rates. clicks during recording are not audible while recording takes place, but they are on the waveshape in playback, and they appear as irregularities 5-10 samples long (analyzed with sound forge). of course i followed every single advice i found on m-audio's file about clicks on xp (he http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=...1e7310429 5ae c1f755b), including pci slot change and switching from ACPI to standard PC mode for re-assigning IRQs. Of course i'm using the newest drivers for everything (motherboard, audiophile, sata(raid controller), and i tried also to disabilitate everything i could from the BIOS. then i mounted on the same system an IDE hard disk with Windows 98SE and booted the system as win98, the sata controller was "invisible" on this configuration and so was the serial ata hard disc, but the sound card worked properly. this leads me to exclude a conflict with the video card or the mother board. my suspects now go to Windows XP or to the sata/raid controller. at this stage, i'm planning to switch to win98, though that would be suicidal, or wait XP service pack 2 hoping that it corrects the error, or trying to update the MB's firmware, or wait for an update for the sata/raid controller or for the audiophile itself. is any of you familiar with theis kind of problems, that is conflicts between audiophile and sata controllers or windows xp on asus maiboards? thanx in advance... |
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M-Audio audiophile 2496 + Serial ATA + WinXP HELP!!!!
Disable SATA and - perhaps - be happy.
of course i can't disable sata because, man, it's my hard disc! i'm sure it's a problem of the sata controller and its driver, because also on m-audio site they say they can give problems. the raid controller is PROMISE PDC20378 the driver is SILICON IMAGE 1.0.0.40 (SIL 3112) all the rest is known: NVIDIA nForce2 chipset on ASUS A7N8X-E deluxe mainboard. i'm asking myself if there is another driver, apart from the silicon image, that goes with my chipset and raid controller??? |
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M-Audio audiophile 2496 + Serial ATA + WinXP HELP!!!!
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Kurt Albershardt wrote: james wrote: I am convinced that SATA is a work-in-progress that's been rushed to market Hardly--SATA is nearly two years late according to its original release schedule. All the more motivation to get it out the door and into the hands of consumers, whether it's ready for market or not! The primary benefits of SATA with current hard drive technology a If it's causing distortion with your audio signal, that's a big black "X" over any presumed benefit. If the storage system isn't the problem, that's fine. I'm quite happy with ATAPI and low-cost drives, and in my opinion, any improvement on it would need to be solid state, or at least, silent. |
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M-Audio audiophile 2496 + Serial ATA + WinXP HELP!!!!
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Peter Larsen wrote: Yes. My old P2-300 can not do click free sp-dif in with a disk controller sitting on the PCI bus, even if this controller is faster than the controller on the mobo. Not nice as it is supposed to be standby spare daw. I've got a P2-400 dedicated to a Layla-20. It's happy recording all 8 channels. The disk is some old Fujitsu scsi on some variety of Adaptec 2940 controller. This is a task that none of my later machines has been able to perform. Haven't tried my shuttle xpc on it, mostly because it has only the single pci slot. |
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M-Audio audiophile 2496 + Serial ATA + WinXP HELP!!!!
A59 wrote:
Disable SATA and - perhaps - be happy. of course i can't disable sata because, man, it's my hard disc! Understood. But it may still be the cheapest way to a working system to get another harddisk for that new-built critter. Mostly it is harddiskS btw. - at least whenever you want a computer to be fast. All things equal, and they most certainly aren't, it can be up to 4 times faster to have two disks - or sets of spindles to be exact - instead of one, with some software the recommendation is to have three disks if possible. i'm sure it's a problem of the sata controller and its driver, because also on m-audio site they say they can give problems. Well, that makes it "official" - doesn't it? i'm asking myself if there is another driver, apart from the silicon image, that goes with my chipset and raid controller??? Hardly probable. A SATA card is about DKK 300 over here, which means that you should be able to find one at USD 29.95 and put it - and the SATA disk - in your officeputer. Realistically it is not uncommon to have such "occasions for learning" when building or configuring a DAW. Allowing at least USD 100 for "surprises" can be very wise when making a budget for such a contraption. With my P2-300 I had the strangest of problems with my preferred audio software distorting on long tones, very audible on a clarinet, hardly at all audible on things like cymbals, and with the duration of files input via sp-dif being too short by a few seconds. It was never fully understood - support for the software in question said: tell us what it is if you find out - but probabilities ended up being about whether the NIC cable was connected. It was first when putting a very fast IBM disk back into the machine that I had removed that it dawned that the problem probably was that "harddisks always burst" and this disks bursts were so fast that they saturated the bus on the mobo. The disk spent a good deal of its life on the shelf and died an untimely death when I happened to bend a pin in its connector, or rather when the bent and then straightened pin broke. Kinda sad, 'cause it was amazingly fast, almost beyond specs, on ATA 33 and it hadn't seen all that many hours of operation. Kind regards Peter Larsen -- ******************************************* * My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk * ******************************************* |
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