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Tubes V's Semiconductors in Military.
If a nuclear bomb was dropped on the USA or if we have a War in the
World with Bombs that can disrubt the Magnetic Field in an area they explode then all Computer's , Semiconductors and transistors will be usesless. Here are some thoughts. 1.) Since Semiconductors will be destroyed if there is to much radiation / or magnetic field will the Goverment go back to making Tubes and Tube devices in order for our military to function. Some Tubes are too bulky but if a whole new line of Nuvistor Tubes were to be designed we might be able to survive more in a war or in a terrorist society. ??? 2.) Military Aircraft need computers to help fly them. Would it be possible to build a Nuvsistor type computer system to be used in planes incase of a war . ???? 3.) IF the Goverment wanted to go back to making tubes again - Does RCA, Sylvania, GE have the old Tube Tools to make these tubes again ???. 4.) If say RCA, Sylvania, GE have lost the designs and tools to make tubes again do you think that the millitary may ask the public say they were to buy our left over tubes to dysect and use as a blueprint to build a new generation of tubes that can be used in a Nuclear type war. ??? I would be a rich man. i have alot of tubes still....hahaha... I think is an idea that the US Goverment should think about !!!. What do you all think about this ???. Brian Las Vegas, NV |
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can you explain this nuvistor tube, how big is it, what
voltage it can use etc. and yeh tubes not efected. i will still have a working hifi. john "Brian Bower" wrote in message ... If a nuclear bomb was dropped on the USA or if we have a War in the World with Bombs that can disrubt the Magnetic Field in an area they explode then all Computer's , Semiconductors and transistors will be usesless. Here are some thoughts. 1.) Since Semiconductors will be destroyed if there is to much radiation / or magnetic field will the Goverment go back to making Tubes and Tube devices in order for our military to function. Some Tubes are too bulky but if a whole new line of Nuvistor Tubes were to be designed we might be able to survive more in a war or in a terrorist society. ??? 2.) Military Aircraft need computers to help fly them. Would it be possible to build a Nuvsistor type computer system to be used in planes incase of a war . ???? 3.) IF the Goverment wanted to go back to making tubes again - Does RCA, Sylvania, GE have the old Tube Tools to make these tubes again ???. 4.) If say RCA, Sylvania, GE have lost the designs and tools to make tubes again do you think that the millitary may ask the public say they were to buy our left over tubes to dysect and use as a blueprint to build a new generation of tubes that can be used in a Nuclear type war. ??? I would be a rich man. i have alot of tubes still....hahaha... I think is an idea that the US Goverment should think about !!!. What do you all think about this ???. Brian Las Vegas, NV |
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Behold, Brian Bower signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:
1.) Since Semiconductors will be destroyed if there is to much radiation / or magnetic field will the Goverment go back to making Tubes and Tube devices in order for our military to function. Some Tubes are too bulky but if a whole new line of Nuvistor Tubes were to be designed we might be able to survive more in a war or in a terrorist society. ??? There will be no governments. He who has the most guns, will rule. I don't think they'll care poop-one about tubes. 2.) Military Aircraft need computers to help fly them. Would it be possible to build a Nuvsistor type computer system to be used in planes incase of a war . ???? Any surviving military aircraft will be converted to biplane-like controls. Not good for mach, but flyable. 3.) IF the Goverment wanted to go back to making tubes again - Does RCA, Sylvania, GE have the old Tube Tools to make these tubes again ???. Anyone from those companies that knew anything about tubes, is probably already dead. So, not likely. 4.) If say RCA, Sylvania, GE have lost the designs and tools to make tubes again do you think that the millitary may ask the public say they were to buy our left over tubes to dysect and use as a blueprint to build a new generation of tubes that can be used in a Nuclear type war. ??? I would be a rich man. i have alot of tubes still....hahaha... I think is an idea that the US Goverment should think about !!!. What do you all think about this ???. And the circle of stupidity starts again. -- Gregg *It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd* http://geek.scorpiorising.ca |
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Brian Bower wrote:
If a nuclear bomb was dropped on the USA It would take a whole *****load* of 'em to do what you're talking about. or if we have a War in the World with Bombs that can disrubt the Magnetic Field in an area It's not that they disrupt "the Magnetic Field." (I assume you mean the Earth's magnetic field.) It's that they create a very intense one of their own when detonated. "EMP" is what it's called - "Electro-Magnetic Pulse." they explode then all Computer's , Semiconductors and transistors will be usesless. Only in a limited area around the nuclear detonation. There is some conjecture that a bomb tweaked for very high EMP output could be detonated in orbit, producing a pulse intense enough to destroy or cripple SS electronic devices over a large portion of a continent. No way to test this without actually detonating one, though. Here are some thoughts. 1.) Since Semiconductors will be destroyed if there is to much radiation / or magnetic field will the Goverment go back to making Tubes and Tube devices in order for our military to function. Probably not. However - there are redundant military comm systems in place to this day which are tube-based, with battery backup or local power generation capability. Military SS electronics, at least the mission critical systems, are rad-hard (radiation hardened) as a matter of routine nowadays. Consumer electronics will bite the dust in a matter of microseconds, however. Everything from your phone to your car (unless it's an old clunker with no SS ignition parts) will just stop working. Some Tubes are too bulky but if a whole new line of Nuvistor Tubes were to be designed we might be able to survive more in a war or in a terrorist society. ??? It would be more likely that old stocks would be found... or guys like me would be ordered to sell or give our NOS (and new) stocks to the DOD if they needed them for something. I don't know why they would, because tubes themselves are useless unless there is equipment which is designed to use them. Since production facilities for SS devices are plentiful, more would be made. Bootstrapping production would be difficult, but would doubltless be accomplished using "seed" devices which survived the EMP strikes - "accidental" Faraday cages will exist, not every IC will fry. And I'm sure there are a *****load* of spares socked away in rad-hard hidey-holes. 2.) Military Aircraft need computers to help fly them. Would it be possible to build a Nuvsistor type computer system to be used in planes incase of a war . ???? Do you know anything about the systems in a modern jet fighter? Enough tubes to duplicate the onboard electronics for an F-16 would probably weigh more than the plane! 3.) IF the Goverment wanted to go back to making tubes again - Does RCA, Sylvania, GE have the old Tube Tools to make these tubes again ???. Nope. All gone, or nearly so. Making tubes is a third-world enterprise now. Tubes today occupy a position exactly analagous to steam power. Steam was once the primary motive force for all enterprise; now, it's relegated to hobbyists and huge industrial processes like electrical power generation or heating skyscrapers. The large middle between those two extremes has been completely filled by electricity for stationary power needs, and petroleum engines for mobile applications. Tubes are now used by guitar players and audiophiles, and in multi-thousand-watt RF amplifiers/transmitters. Everything in the middle is transistorized. 4.) If say RCA, Sylvania, GE have lost the designs and tools to make tubes again do you think that the millitary may ask the public say they were to buy our left over tubes to dysect and use as a blueprint to build a new generation of tubes that can be used in a Nuclear type war. ??? See above. I would be a rich man. i have alot of tubes still....hahaha... I think is an idea that the US Goverment should think about !!!. What do you all think about this ???. Not likely. As far as I know, you can't detonate a nuke without a tube in the firing circuitry somewhere. Klystron? Something like that. I do know this, however - I have a Hammond organ (B-3) and two model 122 Leslies. If an EMP knocked out all the consumer gear, I'd still be able to jam. I would, however, have to jury-rig a tube rectifier system for the Leslies, since they have SS diodes in the HV supply. But I have *lots* of tubes. Jamming would probably be the least of my worries, though. I have plenty of guns and ammo, too. See ya at the Safeway. ;-) Lord Valve American |
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A curiosity in my collection: some JG-5751s by General Electric, packed in May 1963. On the boxes are printed a little 3-leaf radiation symbol, followed by the number 0.00001. I'm guessing these tubes were hardened against gamma radiation, by reducing the atmosphere in the bulb to an extra-small value indicated by the number. Any info, lore? B B |
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You wrote: snip I do know this, however - I have a Hammond organ (B-3) and two model 122 Leslies. If an EMP knocked out all the consumer gear, I'd still be able to jam. I would, however, have to jury-rig a tube rectifier system for the Leslies, since they have SS diodes in the HV supply. You'd probably need a generator too since an EMP event big enough to "knock out all consumer gear" would also be big enough to take out major portions of the power distribution grid over large areas. We saw how fragile the grid was (and probably still is) about a year ago. As you note, jammin on the Hammond would probably be low on the list of priorities. -- Steve |
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wrote in message
... ... followed by the number 0.00001. I'm guessing these tubes were hardened against gamma radiation, by reducing the atmosphere in the bulb to an extra-small value indicated by the number. The vacuum in a normal tube would be a few orders of magnitude lower than that, in torr. I don't know what gamma would do to a tube, however. Probably just make it noisy, although you won't be hearing bonked subatomic particles over the natural shot and thermal noise so, whatever. Tim -- "I've got more trophies than Wayne Gretsky and the Pope combined!" - Homer Simpson Website @ http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms |
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See - This is an Interesting Topic.
Also note for Airplanes to fly in a EMC War that a small crude but functional Nuvistor Tube Computer could be made to control the Fighter Plane. I wonder if our Goverment has thought about this ???. Note - New Nuvistor Tube Designs would have to be made for this small crude but functional computer to operate !!!. Brian - Las Vegas, NV |
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hay eveyone gragg is calling us stupit
"Gregg" wrote in message news:ABLIc.29180$Rf.11712@edtnps84... Behold, Brian Bower signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament: 1.) Since Semiconductors will be destroyed if there is to much radiation / or magnetic field will the Goverment go back to making Tubes and Tube devices in order for our military to function. Some Tubes are too bulky but if a whole new line of Nuvistor Tubes were to be designed we might be able to survive more in a war or in a terrorist society. ??? There will be no governments. He who has the most guns, will rule. I don't think they'll care poop-one about tubes. 2.) Military Aircraft need computers to help fly them. Would it be possible to build a Nuvsistor type computer system to be used in planes incase of a war . ???? Any surviving military aircraft will be converted to biplane-like controls. Not good for mach, but flyable. 3.) IF the Goverment wanted to go back to making tubes again - Does RCA, Sylvania, GE have the old Tube Tools to make these tubes again ???. Anyone from those companies that knew anything about tubes, is probably already dead. So, not likely. 4.) If say RCA, Sylvania, GE have lost the designs and tools to make tubes again do you think that the millitary may ask the public say they were to buy our left over tubes to dysect and use as a blueprint to build a new generation of tubes that can be used in a Nuclear type war. ??? I would be a rich man. i have alot of tubes still....hahaha... I think is an idea that the US Goverment should think about !!!. What do you all think about this ???. And the circle of stupidity starts again. -- Gregg *It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd* http://geek.scorpiorising.ca |
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I wanna know where I can buy some of that stuff you been smokin'
;-) in article , Brian Bower at wrote on 7/13/04 1:13 AM: If a nuclear bomb was dropped on the USA or if we have a War in the World with Bombs that can disrubt the Magnetic Field in an area they explode then all Computer's , Semiconductors and transistors will be usesless. Here are some thoughts. 1.) Since Semiconductors will be destroyed if there is to much radiation / or magnetic field will the Goverment go back to making Tubes and Tube devices in order for our military to function. Some Tubes are too bulky but if a whole new line of Nuvistor Tubes were to be designed we might be able to survive more in a war or in a terrorist society. ??? 2.) Military Aircraft need computers to help fly them. Would it be possible to build a Nuvsistor type computer system to be used in planes incase of a war . ???? 3.) IF the Goverment wanted to go back to making tubes again - Does RCA, Sylvania, GE have the old Tube Tools to make these tubes again ???. 4.) If say RCA, Sylvania, GE have lost the designs and tools to make tubes again do you think that the millitary may ask the public say they were to buy our left over tubes to dysect and use as a blueprint to build a new generation of tubes that can be used in a Nuclear type war. ??? I would be a rich man. i have alot of tubes still....hahaha... I think is an idea that the US Goverment should think about !!!. What do you all think about this ???. Brian Las Vegas, NV |
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Brian Bower wrote:
If a nuclear bomb was dropped on the USA or if we have a War in the World with Bombs Cold War's over. Sure, terrorists could cause a big mess in some city, but they couldn't trash the whole country. 4 more months, not 4 more years! |
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Behold, Jon Yaeger signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:
I wanna know where I can buy some of that stuff you been smokin' ;-) Come to my home in British Columbia mannnnnnnnnnn ;-) -- Gregg *It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd* http://geek.scorpiorising.ca |
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Behold, Robert Casey signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:
4 more months, not 4 more years! I got $50 on John Kerry (I'm a Canuck, can't vote for him....) ;-) -- Gregg *It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd* http://geek.scorpiorising.ca |
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Note : I have Heard from Engineers from the Company I worked for Nasa
that a Soviet Pilot Defected from russia and the USA obtained the Russian Plane and took it apart. What they found was this high tech plane used Tube Types of Equipment to fly the plane and also Air Vacumn tubes that would also control the plane - similar what is found in older cars that use vacumn controls to control air conditioning heat and even the windshield wipers. The Russians Knew that EMP's would kill their Electronics so they Designed Equipment incase of a Nuclear War. To the People here who think that what i say is Crazy - Think again !!!. It make's alot of sense. Laugh and make jokes if you want to. But Remeber - This is America and we must protect our freedom by doing new things and thinking ahead for the future of america - there are Flaws in America Today and our country and its people need to stand up and make changes. To Protect us now and Future Generations of people in America USA is Number 1 in the World !!!!! |
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Note : Captain Crane's Last message is from Brian Bower i have another
webtv account. Brian Bower - Las Vegas also if you have somthing stupid to say that i said im Brian Bower that wrote that last message about the russian plane using tubes. Who cares what you think about me and your childish remarks. Grow up liitle boys and Girls. |
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Yeah, but a hoser's $50 ain't fifty REAL dollars on this side of the line .
.. . . - J in article Ny4Jc.43644$Rf.15281@edtnps84, Gregg at wrote on 7/14/04 2:39 AM: Behold, Robert Casey signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament: 4 more months, not 4 more years! I got $50 on John Kerry (I'm a Canuck, can't vote for him....) ;-) |
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"Jon Yaeger" wrote in message
... Yeah, but a hoser's $50 ain't fifty REAL dollars on this side of the line.... Good thing too. Kerry is a 100% dumbass. Tim -- "I've got more trophies than Wayne Gretsky and the Pope combined!" - Homer Simpson Website @ http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms |
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Captain Crane Note : I have Heard from Engineers from the Company I worked for Nasa that a Soviet Pilot Defected from russia and the USA obtained the Russian Plane and took it apart. What they found was this high tech plane used Tube Types of Equipment to fly the plane and also Air Vacumn tubes that would also control the plane - similar what is found in older cars that use vacumn controls to control air conditioning heat and even the windshield wipers. The plane this post is talking about was the Mig-25. It was a "Mach-3" plane that had the US scared for a while until they got hold of one. They found that it was an interceptor, not a fighter (heavy and poor maneuverability). It could also not maintain its Mach-3 speed because it would over-stress its engines. It was mostly used for reconnaissance (as was the US's Mach-3 plane, the SR-72). It was not a fly-by-wire plane and the vacuum tubes were not used to control the plane (at least not in the sense of fly-by-wire). They were used as part of a very powerful radar that could penetrate jamming. Since the plane was so heavy, it didn't matter as much that it used vacuum tubes. The technology was described as "surprisingly capable" if I remember correctly. This is in contrast to something like the F16, which is a fly-by-wire plane. It was designed to be deliberately unstable so that it would be extremely maneuverable. The plane is so unstable that a human pilot cannot fly it. A computer control system is necessary. The human pilot activates a pressure-sensitive joystick on the side. That's to make it easier to deal with high G forces. The pilot just rests his hand on the armrest and manipulates the control joystick instead of having a control stick in front of him like most planes. The F16 is called the "electric jet" because of this fly-by-wire feature. A computer made with vacuum tubes would be too heavy to control this plane. -- Fred Gilham All languages have Lisp syntax, of course, except that so many of them insist on encrypting it using a mechanism called "grammar." -- Drew McDermott |
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Fred Gilham wrote:
The plane this post is talking about was the Mig-25. It was a "Mach-3" plane that had the US scared for a while until they got hold of one. They found that it was an interceptor, not a fighter (heavy and poor maneuverability). It could also not maintain its Mach-3 speed because it would over-stress its engines. A little googling on the subject reveals that the speed was limited by 'controllability problems', though the engines would blow at March 3.2... It was mostly used for reconnaissance (as was the US's Mach-3 plane, the SR-72). It was not a fly-by-wire plane and the vacuum tubes were not used to control the plane (at least not in the sense of fly-by-wire). They were used as part of a very powerful radar that could penetrate jamming. Since the plane was so heavy, it didn't matter as much that it used vacuum tubes. It came in a special radar version, as well as numerous other variants. The technology was described as "surprisingly capable" if I remember correctly. I think it an example of excellent engineering (considering the crude construction), describes as 'lacking refinement' but still capable of some records: (from http://www.spaceadventures.com/steps/edge) Breaking Records: In September 1967, a MiG-25 set a world speed record at 1,853.61 miles per hour (2,982 kph). It stood for more than a decade, until broken by an American SR-71 Blackbird in July 1976. It reached 2,016 mph (3,244 kph). On July 25, 1973, a Ye-266, using the same airframe as the MiG-25 but equipped with more powerful engines, set the world’s absolute altitude record for a ground-launched air-breathing aircraft, reaching 118,867 ft. (36,230 m). On August 31, 1977, the record was broken by a modified MiG-25 (E-266M) and taken to 123,524 ft. (37,650 m). Pretty good for a handwelded steel-hulled jet with tubed avionics, eh? 8) But it does seem it had its share of problems and limitations. This is in contrast to something like the F16, which is a fly-by-wire plane. It was designed to be deliberately unstable so that it would be extremely maneuverable. The MiG-25 is a high altitude interceptor, it wasn't build for maneuverability. Seems like it was developed to counter the US B-70 bomber (which was cancelled.) It does seem that NATO overrated the MiG-25 by a large margin... Regards, Kimjand |
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Behold, Tim Williams signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:
"Jon Yaeger" wrote in message ... Yeah, but a hoser's $50 ain't fifty REAL dollars on this side of the line.... Good thing too. Kerry is a 100% dumbass. Yeah, but we like you :-p -- Gregg *It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd* http://geek.scorpiorising.ca |
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Behold, Jon Yaeger signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:
Yeah, but a hoser's $50 ain't fifty REAL dollars on this side of the line . . . . Like, it's worth $25.50, eh? ;-) -- Gregg *It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd* http://geek.scorpiorising.ca |
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Tim Williams wrote:
"Jon Yaeger" wrote in message ... Yeah, but a hoser's $50 ain't fifty REAL dollars on this side of the line.... Good thing too. Kerry is a 100% dumbass. And Bush is 120% Fu#&@'n Idiot.. :-p Tim -- "I've got more trophies than Wayne Gretsky and the Pope combined!" - Homer Simpson Website @ http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms |
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"Brian Bower" wrote in message ... If a nuclear bomb was dropped on the USA or if we have a War in the World with Bombs that can disrubt the Magnetic Field in an area they explode then all Computer's , Semiconductors and transistors will be usesless. Here are some thoughts. 1.) Since Semiconductors will be destroyed if there is to much radiation / or magnetic field will the Goverment go back to making Tubes and Tube devices in order for our military to function. Some Tubes are too bulky but if a whole new line of Nuvistor Tubes were to be designed we might be able to survive more in a war or in a terrorist society. ??? **Nonsense, on so many levels. Nuclear weapons create and EMP (Electro Magnetic Pulse) which *may* damage some semiconductors. If those semis are isolated within a Faraday Shield (ooh, say, like a computer case) they will probably survive. Particularly, if they are not actually being used. 2.) Military Aircraft need computers to help fly them. Would it be possible to build a Nuvsistor type computer system to be used in planes incase of a war . ???? **Modern war craft employ 'hardened' elecytronics systems, which are pretty much impervious to EMP. It has been that way for many years. 3.) IF the Goverment wanted to go back to making tubes again - Does RCA, Sylvania, GE have the old Tube Tools to make these tubes again ???. **Not likely. 4.) If say RCA, Sylvania, GE have lost the designs and tools to make tubes again do you think that the millitary may ask the public say they were to buy our left over tubes to dysect and use as a blueprint to build a new generation of tubes that can be used in a Nuclear type war. ??? **Not necessary. Tubes are finished. The only use for tubes, in in musical instrument amplification and an insignificant number of domestic audio devices. I would be a rich man. i have alot of tubes still....hahaha... I think is an idea that the US Goverment should think about !!!. What do you all think about this ???. **I think you should go and have a nice lie down. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au |
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Good thing too. Kerry is a 100% dumbass. Tim I think you misunderestimate Kerry. |
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"Don" wrote in message
news:FQlJc.80700$MB3.3038@attbi_s04... I think you misunderestimate Kerry. And how many times has he changed his opionions on...everything? 5 times per? LOL Tim -- "I've got more trophies than Wayne Gretsky and the Pope combined!" - Homer Simpson Website @ http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms |
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Behold, Tim Williams signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:
"Don" wrote in message news:FQlJc.80700$MB3.3038@attbi_s04... I think you misunderestimate Kerry. And how many times has he changed his opionions on...everything? 5 times per? LOL Tim Our politicians do more than that in a day! This is a problem in the US? -- Gregg *It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd* http://geek.scorpiorising.ca |
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It has a peculiar performance enveloppe but still is one of th best high speed interceptors. Even Iraqis used them to pretty good effect during GW1, splashing down an F-18C on the frist day of the invasion, engaging other fichters or reco planes with quite poor results because of their inferior ammo, and not suffering a single casualty: they evaded all US interceptors and *outran* all Sparrows as well as all Sidewinders launched at them. I remember watching a TV display during the first Gulf war of what they *said* was shooting down a Mig-25. They remarked about how they were particularly proud of this. Of course this is from memory, but it did make an impression on me because of the mention of the Mig-25. -- Fred Gilham Early in our marriage, 40-some years ago, Mrs. Williams would return from shopping complaining about the unreasonable prices. Having aired her complaints, she'd then ask me to unload her car laden with purchases. After the unloading, I'd ask her: "I thought you said the prices were unreasonable. Why did you buy them? Are you unreasonable? Only an unreasonable person would pay unreasonable prices." The discussion always headed downhill after such an observation. -- Walter Williams, economist |
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In article , says...
"Don" wrote in message news:FQlJc.80700$MB3.3038@attbi_s04... I think you misunderestimate Kerry. And how many times has he changed his opionions on...everything? 5 times per? LOL Tim -- "I've got more trophies than Wayne Gretsky and the Pope combined!" - Homer Simpson Website @ http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms " A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." -Emerson Unlike Cheney, who still claims WMDs are in Iraq. I think changing your mind, upon reflection, or possible new data, is a sign of wisdom. Just which "flip-flop" of Kerry's do you have a problem with? Or are you parroting the radical right's talking point on Kerry? Back to the original thread- don't hoard tubes in anticipation of a nuclear war; I think a stash of cigarettes would be more profitable. |
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BUSH IS DIS- HONEST AN TRUELY AN ASSHOLE. HE IS GREEDY AND OUT FOR
HIMSELF. ALSO THE SAME WITH CHANNEY - BOTH ASSHOLES. I USED TO LOVE PRESIDENT BUSH. I HAD GREAT RESPECT FOR HIM AND FOR RUNNING AND MANAGING THE USA. BUT AFTER SEEING THIS FILM I WILL NOT VOTE REPUBLICAN - AGAIN. I MAY NOT EVEN VOTE AS KERRY IS AN ASSHOLE RICH SON-OF-A-BITCH TOO. SEE THE MOVIE....WATCH THE MOVIE. THE USA IS IN GRAVE DANGER... THE FACTS ARE TRUE IN THE MOVIE !!!! CHECK THE FACTS OUT YOURSELF BY LOOKING AT OLD NEWSPAPERS ON THE INTERNET... VERIFY THE FACTS..... BRIAN |
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Captain Crane wrote: BUSH IS DIS- HONEST AN TRUELY AN ASSHOLE. HE IS GREEDY AND OUT FOR HIMSELF. ALSO THE SAME WITH CHANNEY - BOTH ASSHOLES. I USED TO LOVE PRESIDENT BUSH. I HAD GREAT RESPECT FOR HIM AND FOR RUNNING AND MANAGING THE USA. BUT AFTER SEEING THIS FILM I WILL NOT VOTE REPUBLICAN - AGAIN. I MAY NOT EVEN VOTE AS KERRY IS AN ASSHOLE RICH SON-OF-A-BITCH TOO. SEE THE MOVIE....WATCH THE MOVIE. THE USA IS IN GRAVE DANGER... THE FACTS ARE TRUE IN THE MOVIE !!!! CHECK THE FACTS OUT YOURSELF BY LOOKING AT OLD NEWSPAPERS ON THE INTERNET... VERIFY THE FACTS..... BRIAN Um... ....there *ain't* no facts in that crockumentary, sonny, it's just Moore's way of jacking off in public. Sucker bait. And now, Moore has ten of the dollars that used to live in *your* pocket. Sucker. Lord Valve Arrogant Rightwing ******* |
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Um... ...there *ain't* no facts in that crockumentary, sonny, it's just Moore's way of jacking off in public. Sucker bait. And now, Moore has ten of the dollars that used to live in *your* pocket. Sucker. Absolutely correct assessment of that POS excuse for a documentary. It's a poorly edited collage of (mostly) readily available, low rez news clips presented to the unsuspecting audience totally out of context. Simply a means of Moore propagating his political views at the expense (literally) of the public. Yeah, I admit I paid to see this film. Bad investment. I left the theater with a deep sense of loss...of $8.50 (ticket) and 3hrs of my invaluable time. Total waste of time and $$. And make no mistake about it, despite Moore's intentionally scruffy appearance and demeanor, he's a hollywood elitist fat-cat living off the efforts of others and whose contributions to the "art" are dubious at best. Kind of like Babs and Whoopee. -- Steve |
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I remember watching a TV display during the first Gulf war of what they *said* was shooting down a Mig-25. They remarked about how they were particularly proud of this. Of course this is from memory, but it did make an impression on me because of the mention of the Mig-25. OK, looking it up in Google, it seems they shot down 2 Mig-25s in the first Gulf War. See http://www.au.af.mil/au/afhra/wwwroo..._swa_gulf.html -- Fred Gilham If you want to be largely ignored by women, playing jazz guitar is pretty good strategy... --- Bob Russell |
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In message 08iJc.45289$Rf.38977@edtnps84, Gregg
writes Behold, Tim Williams signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament: "Jon Yaeger" wrote in message ... Yeah, but a hoser's $50 ain't fifty REAL dollars on this side of the line.... Good thing too. Kerry is a 100% dumbass. Yeah, but we like you :-p It's not Kerry I worry about over here, it's that redneck he has as his running mate. My God, have you heard him speak? I thought people only spoke like that in the 'Dukes of Hazzard'. -- Chris Morriss |
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It's not Kerry I worry about over here, it's that redneck he has as his running mate. My God, have you heard him speak? I thought people only spoke like that in the 'Dukes of Hazzard'. And GW doesn't? |
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AFAICT, they weren't shot down but destroyed on the ground. No, they were hit by air-to-air missiles. One was hit by an AIM-7 and the other by an AIM-120. It turns out that the second Mig-25 was shot down after the Gulf War ended; it violated the "no-fly" zone. -- Fred Gilham For what it's worth, the way I try to get through this stuff is to realize that now I totally understand how things like the Roman Empire or the Third Reich could have happened. If the people in a certain society happen to be a lot smarter, richer, and stronger than most of their neighbors, why not conquer them? It's for their own good. --Bob Murphy |
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In message , Robert Casey
writes It's not Kerry I worry about over here, it's that redneck he has as his running mate. My God, have you heard him speak? I thought people only spoke like that in the 'Dukes of Hazzard'. And GW doesn't? To my English ear, untutored in the US accent differences, then GW appears to have a better-educated accent than the ambulance-chaser lawyer (as we call them over here). -- Chris Morriss |
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