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When did home theater take over?
OK, so when did everyone lose interest in music and go ga-ga over
movies? Enquiring minds want to know . Pardon my ignorance, but you see, I pulled a bit of a hi-fi Rip Van Winkle. After buying my current stereo system in the early 90's, I took 10 years off from being an audio buff, and only recently got back into it. And I quickly found out that most "audio" stores have been transformed into video ones ! Half the floor space is now taken up by large-screen TV's, the DVD players have largely displaced the CD players, and speakers are now 6-piece units rather than pairs. What the heck is going on here !? I can't say this development totally surprises me since music has gone down the toilet in recent years; but then again, so have movies . I'm not bitter or anything, just a bit fascinated by it. I always knew that HT would be big, but I didn't think that it would grow to the point of shallowing up audio! Oh well, at least now we won't have to put up with those crappy little TV speakers anymore. Even the cheapest Bose surround system kicks the ass of those . * Chexxon PS: It will be interesting to see what effect the home theater revolution has on car radios . |
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Kalman Rubinson wrote in message . ..
OTOH, multichannel music systems, of quality, are the best music reproduction today. Kal That may be true, but multi-channel music systems aren't what's being sold in the stores these days. What's being sold are multi-channel *movie* systems. For multi-channel music, you need a center-channel speaker that's good for more than just dialogue. It should be on par with the left and right speakers! In fact, shouldn't all the speakers be identical aside from the subwoofer? And shouldn't the amplification for each channel be identical as well? I have nothing against movie systems, but since I'm not exactly a movie buff, I don't want to spend my money on a system that's optimized for movies rather than music. I guess it's a good thing my current stereo still works . * Chexxon |
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chexxon wrote:
OK, so when did everyone lose interest in music and go ga-ga over movies? Enquiring minds want to know . Pardon my ignorance, but you see, I pulled a bit of a hi-fi Rip Van Winkle. After buying my current stereo system in the early 90's, I took 10 years off from being an audio buff, and only recently got back into it. And I quickly found out that most "audio" stores have been transformed into video ones ! Half the floor space is now taken up by large-screen TV's, the DVD players have largely displaced the CD players, and speakers are now 6-piece units rather than pairs. What the heck is going on here !? Money. Shiny toys to sell people. That's about it. I can't say this development totally surprises me since music has gone down the toilet in recent years; but then again, so have movies . I'm not bitter or anything, just a bit fascinated by it. Music is declining thanks to to death of the recording industry. It's been a long time coming, and frankly, the artists deserve better thqan the crap slave labor contracts they had to put up with for decades. Most of the good music has moved online and the artists are making at least some money from it. |
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"chexxon" wrote in message om... OK, so when did everyone lose interest in music and go ga-ga over movies? Enquiring minds want to know . Pardon my ignorance, but you see, I pulled a bit of a hi-fi Rip Van Winkle. After buying my current stereo system in the early 90's, I took 10 years off from being an audio buff, and only recently got back into it. And I quickly found out that most "audio" stores have been transformed into video ones ! Half the floor space is now taken up by large-screen TV's, the DVD players have largely displaced the CD players, and speakers are now 6-piece units rather than pairs. What the heck is going on here !? I can't say this development totally surprises me since music has gone down the toilet in recent years; but then again, so have movies . I'm not bitter or anything, just a bit fascinated by it. I always knew that HT would be big, but I didn't think that it would grow to the point of shallowing up audio! Oh well, at least now we won't have to put up with those crappy little TV speakers anymore. Even the cheapest Bose surround system kicks the ass of those . * Chexxon PS: It will be interesting to see what effect the home theater revolution has on car radios . It started taking over when DVD players began providing relatively high quality discreet multi-channel sound. |
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On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 00:04:55 -0800, "Charles Tomaras"
wrote: It started taking over when DVD players began providing relatively high quality discreet multi-channel sound. Typically, movie soundtracks are anything but discreet! :-) -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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chexxon wrote:
(Bob-Stanton) wrote in message . com... I added three channels to my old sterio system. The right and left of the sterio are now the right and left channels of the 5 channel movie system. Is it possible to do this with a 2-channel receiver, or would I have to buy a new 5.1-channel receiver? I actually may already have the ".1" channel BTW, since my receiver has a level control for subwoofers. You can keep the amp as a power amp if you can bypass the preamp section. The DTS and processing modes - it has to be done by computer chips, so a new HT processor is required. Me? I use three Yamaha CA-1000 amps and an older HT receiver's preamp/processor section. Cheap, funtional, and still great for stereo. |
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(chexxon) wrote in message . com...
(Bob-Stanton) wrote in message . com... I added three channels to my old sterio system. The right and left of the sterio are now the right and left channels of the 5 channel movie system. Is it possible to do this with a 2-channel receiver, or would I have to buy a new 5.1-channel receiver? I actually may already have the ".1" channel BTW, since my receiver has a level control for subwoofers. * Chexxon I bougth a DVD player that had 5.1 channels output.(Toshiba) When watching a movie, the right and left channels are switched to the old sterio preamp high level inputs. The center channel from the DVD player is switched to the external audio input of the TV set. The TV speakers make a very good (voice) center channel. Someone had given me a set of powered, small speakers, from a computer. At first I had no use for them and they stayed under my bed for a year. Latter I pulled them out, and connected them as the rear two channels. What surprised me was how good the (cheap) rear speakers sound when the front channels are playing. I had two old KLH woofers and an old Radio Shack SA-150 amplifier. I connected them as the subwoofer. DVD 0.5 channel. I needed to buy a four-way audio-video switch from the Shack and had to build a two-way audio switch for the center channel. (TV set input) Seting levels is a problem. I balanced the five channels and put pencel marks on the face of the volume controls. To change the levels, I put the controls to the right pencel marks. Bob Stanton |
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"Bob-Stanton" wrote in message om... (chexxon) wrote in message . com... (Bob-Stanton) wrote in message . com... I added three channels to my old sterio system. The right and left of the sterio are now the right and left channels of the 5 channel movie system. Is it possible to do this with a 2-channel receiver, or would I have to buy a new 5.1-channel receiver? I actually may already have the ".1" channel BTW, since my receiver has a level control for subwoofers. * Chexxon I bougth a DVD player that had 5.1 channels output.(Toshiba) When watching a movie, the right and left channels are switched to the old sterio preamp high level inputs. The center channel from the DVD player is switched to the external audio input of the TV set. The TV speakers make a very good (voice) center channel. Someone had given me a set of powered, small speakers, from a computer. At first I had no use for them and they stayed under my bed for a year. Latter I pulled them out, and connected them as the rear two channels. What surprised me was how good the (cheap) rear speakers sound when the front channels are playing. I had two old KLH woofers and an old Radio Shack SA-150 amplifier. I connected them as the subwoofer. DVD 0.5 channel. I needed to buy a four-way audio-video switch from the Shack and had to build a two-way audio switch for the center channel. (TV set input) Seting levels is a problem. I balanced the five channels and put pencel marks on the face of the volume controls. To change the levels, I put the controls to the right pencel marks. Bob Stanton With the cost of a new or refurbished 5.1 receiver on www.ecost.com and a variety of other sites hovering around $300 one has to ask the question....why would you go to all this trouble? |
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"Charles Tomaras" wrote in message news:BbidnXOi0o-
With the cost of a new or refurbished 5.1 receiver on www.ecost.com and a variety of other sites hovering around $300 one has to ask the question....why would you go to all this trouble? At the time, I had reservations about 5.1 channels. I wanted to try it for home theater, but I wasn't sure I would like it very well. I didn't want to spend a lot just to find out if I would like it. At the time, surround sound processors and amplifiers were *quite a bit more* than $300. So, I put together a 5.1-way system from existing equipment. Because I already had some old powered speakers for the rear channels, *my total cost was only $15*, (for a cable to go the the rear). I took the $500 dollars I saved, and used it toward a vacation in Key Largo. (I'd highly recommend going to the Keys in the dead of winter. Daytime highs are usually 80 degs, night time lows 60 degs. The ocean is a little chilly in January at about 68 degs, but heated pools are quite common.) Well, we all spend our "mad money" in different ways. :-) Bob Stanton |
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"Bob-Stanton" wrote in message
om... (chexxon) wrote in message . com... (Bob-Stanton) wrote in message . com... I added three channels to my old sterio system. The right and left of the sterio are now the right and left channels of the 5 channel movie system. Is it possible to do this with a 2-channel receiver, or would I have to buy a new 5.1-channel receiver? I actually may already have the ".1" channel BTW, since my receiver has a level control for subwoofers. * Chexxon I bougth a DVD player that had 5.1 channels output.(Toshiba) When watching a movie, the right and left channels are switched to the old sterio preamp high level inputs. The center channel from the DVD player is switched to the external audio input of the TV set. The TV speakers make a very good (voice) center channel. Someone had given me a set of powered, small speakers, from a computer. At first I had no use for them and they stayed under my bed for a year. Latter I pulled them out, and connected them as the rear two channels. What surprised me was how good the (cheap) rear speakers sound when the front channels are playing. I had two old KLH woofers and an old Radio Shack SA-150 amplifier. I connected them as the subwoofer. DVD 0.5 channel. I needed to buy a four-way audio-video switch from the Shack and had to build a two-way audio switch for the center channel. (TV set input) Seting levels is a problem. I balanced the five channels and put pencel marks on the face of the volume controls. To change the levels, I put the controls to the right pencel marks. Bob Stanton Good for you, Bob. I read the thread to the point where the cars came in - and stopped there! My HT system just grew, too. It started with an older RCA stereo TV and a stereo receiver plus two speakers. Then I added a Heathkit surround processor and another stereo receiver and rear speakers (all used or repaired junked units) with various mixed speakers to hand (some vintage - Jordan-Watts and Ditton 15's.) About that time I had added a sub - two actually, Energy E-SUB2's driven by another spare receiver. Then we upgraded the TV (a Toshiba) and I added a used Yamaha RXV1070 5.1 Prologic system and new PSB Image 2B mains (kept the Dittons for rears - I'd sold the Jordon-Watts a while back and replaced them with a pair of bookshelf units.) By then I was playing with a centre speaker and learned the importance of sonic matching the mains - had to retire both a cheap centre "clunker" and a used Wharfdale and put in a new PSB 9C centre (excellent.) Lastly I upgraded the sub amplifier (2 channels) to a used Yamaha M4 (over 120 wpc into 6 ohms) with custom crossover and preamp (home brewed.) At each step of the way all of the above were phased and leveled, of course (using the well known RS analog SPL meter.) That's it to this day. Contemplating a new Yamaha digital receiver in due course but no hurry - might wait for a used one to turn up! BTW, the old RCA TV is now in the family room with its own stereo receiver and two outboard speakers - all recycled, of course! Recycle, repair and reuse! Cheers, Roger -- Roger Jones, P.Eng. Thornhill, Ontario, Canada Anti-spam... Reply to: SurfNews"at"sprint"dot"ca (but written correctly) |
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"Engineer" wrote in message news:vZrIb.309
BTW, the old RCA TV is now in the family room with its own stereo receiver and two outboard speakers - all recycled, of course! Recycle, repair and reuse! Yes, I enjoy building speakers systems and amplifiers from older equipment and parts. A few years ago Radio Shack had a good 4" woofer (1022). When they discontinued it, I bought as many as I could find, (at closeout prices). At one point I decided to hide my 5.1 speakers. Built two columns speakers (of five 4" woofers each) into the stand that the TV sits on. For a while, I had a 5.1 way system with no visible speaker boxes. The problems was, the right and left speakers were too close together and the system didn't sound as good as with the old larger speakers. Went back to the larger, but better sounding, right and left speakers. Latter, I learned that many movies have a lot of sound coming from the center channel. The center channel needed something better than the TV set's small speakers. I had these two columns (of five woofers + a tweeter) sitting hidden in the TV stand, and doing nothing. I realized I could drive them with the TV set's amplifiers (10 Watts/channel) and make them the center channel. (The TV's amplifiers did a surprisingly good sounding job of driving the columns.) It seems a little strange, but now my center channel now has *twelve drivers*. Oh yes, it also sounds good. Bob Stanton |
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"chexxon" wrote in message om... OK, so when did everyone lose interest in music and go ga-ga over movies? Enquiring minds want to know . Pardon my ignorance, but you see, I pulled a bit of a hi-fi Rip Van Winkle. After buying my current stereo system in the early 90's, I took 10 years off from being an audio buff, and only recently got back into it. And I quickly found out that most "audio" stores have been transformed into video ones ! Up until about 1992, there was a solid "average joe" constituency interested in audio. Up until that time, there was a value oriented manufacturing segment, patronized by hobbyists, that included the likes of Hafler, formerly Dynaco, Heathkit, etc. The trend in gear after that time shows a shift of emphasis from substance to appearance, with sharp escalations in the price. In the late 80's and early 90's there were already some failures of chains, ie., Stereo Discounters, that had deep stocks of wide brands of mid priced merchandise. So I would say that the stereo market peaked sometime in the mid to late 80's, and began a gradual decline that accelerated in recent years. |
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On 2003-12-22, wß wrote:
You can still buy good sounding equipment but unfortunately it comes from the fringe edge audiophile companies that are somewhat small companies and the prices are way outta site. IMHO, the best bet these days is the used market. I would much rather invest in an Apt Holman or Audionics pre-amp and an old Mac power amp than most of what's available today, IN THE SAME PRICE RANGE. Heck even an old Marantz receiver is better than the cardboard and plastic crap on the shelves today. The problem is finding vacuum tubes. No one makes the same quality tubes I used to pay $40 for a matched pair of power tubes. That matched set of new old-stock (NOS) tubes now costs $400 ...if you can find them! Because of this, the old high end tube amps like Marantz, Fisher, and MacIntosh can now be had for peanuts. As you point out, there are fringe amp makers. They've redesigned their products to use the inferior Chinese and East European tubes. But, they've put absolutely insane prices on them. $5-20K is typical. Screw that! I'll continue to use my circa '64 Fisher/JBL system as long as I can. nb |
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notbob wrote in news:bcHFb.617861$HS4.4520078
@attbi_s01: On 2003-12-22, wß wrote: You can still buy good sounding equipment but unfortunately it comes from the fringe edge audiophile companies that are somewhat small companies and the prices are way outta site. IMHO, the best bet these days is the used market. I would much rather invest in an Apt Holman or Audionics pre-amp and an old Mac power amp than most of what's available today, IN THE SAME PRICE RANGE. Heck even an old Marantz receiver is better than the cardboard and plastic crap on the shelves today. The problem is finding vacuum tubes. No one makes the same quality tubes I used to pay $40 for a matched pair of power tubes. That matched set of new old-stock (NOS) tubes now costs $400 ...if you can find them! Because of this, the old high end tube amps like Marantz, Fisher, and MacIntosh can now be had for peanuts. As you point out, there are fringe amp makers. They've redesigned their products to use the inferior Chinese and East European tubes. But, they've put absolutely insane prices on them. $5-20K is typical. Screw that! I'll continue to use my circa '64 Fisher/JBL system as long as I can. nb If you can find old high end McIntosh tube amps for peanuts, I will take them all! As a matter of fact, just because I am such a nice guy, I will pay the original MSRP for the amps. I wouldn't want to have anyone feel like they lost any money. I will arrange for pickup worldwide and pay in cash as well. r -- Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes. |
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"notbob" wrote
The problem is finding vacuum tubes. No one makes the same quality tubes I used to pay $40 for a matched pair of power tubes. Have you been living in a cave for the last 30 years? Consumer have plenty of choices for high quality new vacuum tubes. That matched set of new old-stock (NOS) tubes now costs $400 ...if you can find them! Yea, so? You can spend that much for new, too. Consumers have plenty of choices and price ranges to choose from. Because of this, the old high end tube amps like Marantz, Fisher, and MacIntosh can now be had for peanuts. Not so. There are many considerations in establishing the value of classic equipment. Many of the classic vacuum tube amps (50's, 60's and early 70's) have limited technical capability in reproducing digital bandwidth and dynamics... modern tube amps generally do not have these limitations. As you point out, there are fringe amp makers. They've redesigned their products to use the inferior Chinese and East European tubes. Quack, quack, quack... But, they've put absolutely insane prices on them. $5-20K is typical. Screw that! Quack, quack, quack... I'll continue to use my circa '64 Fisher/JBL system as long as I can. Translation: You have no hearing acuity or no financial means . |
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Powell wrote:
"notbob" wrote The problem is finding vacuum tubes. No one makes the same quality tubes I used to pay $40 for a matched pair of power tubes. Have you been living in a cave for the last 30 years? Consumer have plenty of choices for high quality new vacuum tubes. Agreed. And also, a reasonable supply of NOS tubes such as Mullards, etc., if one feels small preamplifier tubes of yesteryear are that important. As for output tubes, modern tubes from companies like Svetlana and Ei are generally considered to be quite reliable and decent sounding. That matched set of new old-stock (NOS) tubes now costs $400 ...if you can find them! Yea, so? You can spend that much for new, too. Consumers have plenty of choices and price ranges to choose from. For a reasonable idea of the broad spectrum of both NOS and new tubes available, one can check out dealers like Upscale Audio in California, which carries a very broad range of tubes at various price points. There are also several other dealers who regularly advertise in Stereophile and on the web. And of course, modern tubed equipment manufacturers such as conrad johnson, Audio Research, VTL and others generally stock supplies of most tube types needed for their products. Because of this, the old high end tube amps like Marantz, Fisher, and MacIntosh can now be had for peanuts. Not so. There are many considerations in establishing the value of classic equipment. Many of the classic vacuum tube amps (50's, 60's and early 70's) have limited technical capability in reproducing digital bandwidth and dynamics... modern tube amps generally do not have these limitations. And actually "old high end tubed amplifiers" from companies like McIntosh and Marantz can *not* generally be had "for peanuts", especially when their age and condition is factored in to the equation. A cursory glance at eBay and/or Audiiogon will reveal that classic McIntosh and Marantz amplifiers (especially the former) generally command quite high prices, relatively speaking. And try and find a nice McIntosh FM tuner for anything remotely resembling that ot yoiur garden variety SS tuner, and............. you usually won't. (And for good reasons, soncially speaking). Even some of the relatively less expensive Fisher receivers (when new), if in pristine condition, can command pretty respectable prices compared to budget level SS equipment. As you point out, there are fringe amp makers. They've redesigned their products to use the inferior Chinese and East European tubes. Quack, quack, quack... I'll second the quacking . Many users don't think that, for example, Svetlana 6550C or EI KT-90 Type III output tubes are inferior to some of the older GE or other historic brands at all. (Chinese output tubes, granted, are not all that well received by many users). But, they've put absolutely insane prices on them. $5-20K is typical. Screw that! Quack, quack, quack... Decent tubed amplifiers can be obtained from companies like Conrad Johnson, Audio Research, VTL, Cary, etc. can be had for a lot less than the price range he's specified, especially if one does not need more than, say, 100 watts/channel. I'll continue to use my circa '64 Fisher/JBL system as long as I can. Translation: You have no hearing acuity or no financial means . Bruce J. Richman |
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"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message ... I'll second the quacking . Many users don't think that, for example, Svetlana 6550C or EI KT-90 Type III output tubes are inferior to some of the older GE or other historic brands at all. (Chinese output tubes, granted, are not all that well received by many users). however, their KT66's are fantastic. ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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On 2003-12-22, Powell wrote:
Translation: You have no hearing acuity or no financial means . What? ...I'm getting flak from a duck? |
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 07:27:20 GMT, notbob wrote:
On 2003-12-22, Powell wrote: Translation: You have no hearing acuity or no financial means . What? ...I'm getting flak from a duck? The opposite of AFLAK? Kal |
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In article bcHFb.617861$HS4.4520078@attbi_s01,
notbob writes: the inferior Chinese and East European tubes. But, they've put absolutely insane prices on them. $5-20K is typical. Screw that! I'll continue to use my circa '64 Fisher/JBL system as long as I can. Of course, one can always roll one's own power amp, loudspeaker system, etc. Available parts exist (although transformers are somewhat expensive, but if you don't want the typical off the shelf Hammond transformers, there are companies that will custom wind them in single quantities), and it's a heck of a lot cheaper than what new tube amps cost. -- Copyright (C) 2003 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. |
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"Zakhann" wrote in message om... (chexxon) wrote in message . com... I have a question, When did the automobile take over from the horse and cart? When people tired of plodding around in horse ****. ScottW |
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I have a question,
When did the automobile take over from the horse and cart? When people got sick of cleaning horse **** off their driveway, I guess . So what are you implying, that movies have made music obsolete? I guess that I better trade in my CD's for DVD's while I still can ? * Chexxon |
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(Zakhann) writes: When did the automobile take over from the horse and cart? Perhaps it did for the majority, but that means of transportation didn't become obsolete. There are still people who use a horse and buggy. Actually, that would be more fun for slowing down traffic than driving a tractor down the road transporting a round bale of hay. Not sure what sort of licence tags would be needed for the cart, but with just the horse, alone, no drivers licence is needed, there's no vehicle registration to bother with, no ID cards from Big Brother are required, no safety regulations to bother with, etc. It's actually quite convenient for short distances if you don't need to carry much with you.. a few risks are involved. but that's life. No radio, so you'll enjoy your hi-fi all the more when you get home. :-) :-) :-) So... while most consumers claiming to be knowledgeable of audio (who don't know a FET from a pentode, spectrum analyzer or an XLR connector, and are often content with muddy sounding "subwoofers") appear to be interested in the home theater mumbo jumbo, that doesn't mean that hi-fi, as many of us know it, is obsolete. :-) After all, remember that the average consumer believes that CDs sound better than vinyl LPs... which we know isn't true, if the vinyl is not scratched up, dirty, etc. and an adequate turntable is used... which is really a good thing, since it's now easy to haul a carload of LPs home for only a few bucks. -- Copyright (C) 2003 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. |
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On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 02:38:36 -0000, (R. D.
Davis) wrote: After all, remember that the average consumer believes that CDs sound better than vinyl LPs... which we know isn't true, if the vinyl is not scratched up, dirty, etc. and an adequate turntable is used. Bull****. Happy New Year! -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
... On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 02:38:36 -0000, (R. D. Davis) wrote: After all, remember that the average consumer believes that CDs sound better than vinyl LPs... which we know isn't true, if the vinyl is not scratched up, dirty, etc. and an adequate turntable is used. Bull****. Double Bull****. Even in it's ideal state vinyl is deficient in every measure to CD except nostalgia. |
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Double Bull****. Even in it's ideal state vinyl is deficient in every measure to CD except nostalgia. Some of us prefer to listen to them rather than measure them. That is where the advantages of LPs show themselves. |
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"Rusty Boudreaux" wrote in message ... "Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message ... On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 02:38:36 -0000, (R. D. Davis) wrote: After all, remember that the average consumer believes that CDs sound better than vinyl LPs... which we know isn't true, if the vinyl is not scratched up, dirty, etc. and an adequate turntable is used. Bull****. Double Bull****. Even in it's ideal state vinyl is deficient in every measure to CD except nostalgia. There are 2 intrinsic advantages to the LP: First is the much more impressive cover art, which has been mentioned frequently. Also there's a clever game you can play with LPs. It only works with the standard classical canon. Cover the label and examine the velocity pattern of the disc under the light of a bare bulb. The object is to identify the selection. It's amazing how successful you get after a bit of practice. Norm Strong |
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In article ,
"Rusty Boudreaux" writes: Even in it's ideal state vinyl is deficient in every measure to CD except nostalgia. Excessive wax buildup in your ears can cause you to think that. -- Copyright (C) 2003 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. |
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When did home theater take over?
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(Stewart Pinkerton) writes: On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 02:38:36 -0000, (R. D. Davis) wrote: After all, remember that the average consumer believes that CDs sound better than vinyl LPs... which we know isn't true, if the vinyl is not scratched up, dirty, etc. and an adequate turntable is used. Bull****. Happy New Year! Does the writer of that have a habit of muttering inappropriate and obscene words and phrases at random as it appears? If so, there's a name for that problem in the DSM, for which help should be sought, although it's most likely unrelated to his possible hearing problem. ;-) Happy New Year! -- Copyright (C) 2003 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. |
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When did home theater take over?
R. D. Davis wrote:
In article , (Stewart Pinkerton) writes: On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 02:38:36 -0000, (R. D. Davis) wrote: After all, remember that the average consumer believes that CDs sound better than vinyl LPs... which we know isn't true, if the vinyl is not scratched up, dirty, etc. and an adequate turntable is used. Bull****. Happy New Year! Does the writer of that have a habit of muttering inappropriate and obscene words and phrases at random as it appears? If so, there's a name for that problem in the DSM, for which help should be sought, although it's most likely unrelated to his possible hearing problem. ;-) Happy New Year! -- Copyright (C) 2003 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. Just for the sake of those not familiar with psychological/psychiatric terminology, I presume you're referring to the Diagnostic & Statistical Manual (DSM) published by the American Psychiatric Association. And the condition to which you are referring is Tourette's Syndrome. Actually, Tourette's Syndrome is more of a neurological disorder than a psychological one, although it is often treated with psychotropic drugs such as Haldol and Risperdol. And while involuntary swearing is one of the most noticeable symptoms of people suffering from this condition, it is only one of many involuntary motor symptoms, and not the most common. Bruce J. Richman |
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When did home theater take over?
On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 19:24:54 -0000, (R. D.
Davis) wrote: In article , (Stewart Pinkerton) writes: On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 02:38:36 -0000, (R. D. Davis) wrote: After all, remember that the average consumer believes that CDs sound better than vinyl LPs... which we know isn't true, if the vinyl is not scratched up, dirty, etc. and an adequate turntable is used. Bull****. Happy New Year! Does the writer of that have a habit of muttering inappropriate and obscene words and phrases at random as it appears? Nope, I only type totally appropriate words, as above. If so, there's a name for that problem in the DSM, for which help should be sought, although it's most likely unrelated to his possible hearing problem. ;-) I fear that any hearing deficiency is much more likely to be suffered by someone who is sufficiently deluded to think that vinyl provides a 'closer approach to the original sound' than does CD............... -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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When did home theater take over?
"R. D. Davis" wrote in message
So... while most consumers claiming to be knowledgeable of audio (who don't know a FET from a pentode, spectrum analyzer or an XLR connector, and are often content with muddy sounding "subwoofers") appear to be interested in the home theater mumbo jumbo, that doesn't mean that hi-fi, as many of us know it, is obsolete. :-) The biases of the writer are obvious in several areas. Since Pentodes are part of a totally obsolete technology, why should modern consumers know anything at all about them? Then there is this mention of "...the home theater mumbo jumbo..." which clearly suggests that in the author's mind, any coupling of audio with video is snake oil. After all, remember that the average consumer believes that CDs sound better than vinyl LPs... which we know isn't true, if the vinyl is not scratched up, dirty, etc. and an adequate turntable is used... which is really a good thing, since it's now easy to haul a carload of LPs home for only a few bucks. We've got yet another old-timers whose ears are apparently so shot he can't hear the tics and pops that bedevil most music lovers. Should we have a lottery about his age? Anybody for over 65? |
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