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Lexicon Alpha Driver Win 10
I don't see a driver yet for win 10. I wonder if there's much chance that the win 8 driver will work. Danielle |
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DanielleOM wrote:
I don't see a driver yet for win 10. I wonder if there's much chance that the win 8 driver will work. Are you sure you even want to be running win 10 on an audio workstation? --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Lexicon Alpha Driver Win 10
On 05/09/2015 14:22, Scott Dorsey wrote:
DanielleOM wrote: I don't see a driver yet for win 10. I wonder if there's much chance that the win 8 driver will work. Are you sure you even want to be running win 10 on an audio workstation? Maybe it's a new computer and there's no option to upgrade to Windows 7? -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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Lexicon Alpha Driver Win 10
On 05/09/2015 12:46, DanielleOM wrote:
I don't see a driver yet for win 10. I wonder if there's much chance that the win 8 driver will work. I have seen reports that at least some Windows 7 and 8 drivers will work in Windows 10. I cannot verify this as I will not be letting Windows 10 near *any* machine I run until at least the Service Pack 1 is issued, and possibly not even then, due to its "phone home" tendencies. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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Lexicon Alpha Driver Win 10
On 9/5/2015 11:55 AM, Peter A. Stoll wrote:
I don't see a driver yet for win 10. I wonder if there's much chance that the win 8 driver will work. I think the party line is that the normal expectation is that both windows 7 and windows 8 drivers will usually work on Windows 10. Not so. In fact, some Win7 drivers won't even work under Win8. Win10 has broken some very generic drivers for video and audio on notebooks. The most reliable answer about whether a driver will work properly under Win10 will come from the manufacturer of the device(s) in question. If they won't or don't confirm compatibility, it's probably best to err on the side of caution. -- Best regards, Neil |
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Lexicon Alpha Driver Win 10
On 5/09/2015 11:22 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
DanielleOM wrote: I don't see a driver yet for win 10. I wonder if there's much chance that the win 8 driver will work. Are you sure you even want to be running win 10 on an audio workstation? What makes you think Windows 8 is any better? Trevor. |
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Lexicon Alpha Driver Win 10
In message , Neil
writes On 9/5/2015 11:55 AM, Peter A. Stoll wrote: I don't see a driver yet for win 10. I wonder if there's much chance that the win 8 driver will work. I think the party line is that the normal expectation is that both windows 7 and windows 8 drivers will usually work on Windows 10. Not so. In fact, some Win7 drivers won't even work under Win8. Win10 has broken some very generic drivers for video and audio on notebooks. The most reliable answer about whether a driver will work properly under Win10 will come from the manufacturer of the device(s) in question. If they won't or don't confirm compatibility, it's probably best to err on the side of caution. I haven't tried anything on the "proper" DAWs yet - they are on XP and Vista (!), but I have been involved with some testing on laptops. For example, my Edirol UA-4FX wouldn't instal the Win8.1 drivers in Win 10. On the MS Insider forum, a very helpful Japanese gentleman popped up and suggested changes to a text file in the driver set, and it now works. I see that Edirol says the Win 10 driver is under testing, and I suspect the gentleman in question was the writer of the software. The bigger question is regarding the "Windows 10 is the last Windows" policy, which sees security updates being mixed up with undocumented OS "improvements". I have kept a couple of laptops on the W10 Insider program and, again for example, the "stereo mix" feature in the Windows Recording tab seems to have been disabled in the latest builds. It has become a situation where no-one really can be sure if what worked today will work tomorrow. The other Microsoft issue is the sneaky telemetry updates to Windows 7 via a bunch of KB files. One, KB2952664, seems extremely reluctant to removal, being hidden etc. It's a real shame. Losing trust in an OS manufacturer doesn't look good to me. -- Bill |
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Lexicon Alpha Driver Win 10
On 9/6/2015 8:54 AM, Bill wrote:
It's a real shame. Losing trust in an OS manufacturer doesn't look good to me. Based on comments I've seen over the decades, that ship sailed when MS discontinued DOS 6.2. 8-D One question for folks in this ng is whether an OS in a constant state of flux will provide sufficient reliability to run a business? -- Best regards, Neil |
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Lexicon Alpha Driver Win 10
Bill wrote:
It's a real shame. Losing trust in an OS manufacturer doesn't look good to me. What led you to have any trust in Microsoft in the first place? I lost my trust in them in 1978 when I called and was told that although they sold a port of MBASIC for the HP2100, that they knew it was broken, and they didn't have any intention of fixing it. I was sure that with service like that, they'd be out of business within six months. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Lexicon Alpha Driver Win 10
In article , Neil wrote:
One question for folks in this ng is whether an OS in a constant state of flux will provide sufficient reliability to run a business? I worry that it doesn't. On the other hand, the two major alternatives are just as bad these days. Even the linux people seem to have embraced change for the sake of change, with dumb stuff like systemd. I'm keeping my Ampex. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Lexicon Alpha Driver Win 10
On 06 Sep 2015, Trevor wrote in rec.audio.pro:
On 5/09/2015 11:22 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote: DanielleOM wrote: Are you sure you even want to be running win 10 on an audio workstation? What makes you think Windows 8 is any better? For one, Windows 8 doesn't update itself at any time it feels like it, whether you want it to or not. |
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Lexicon Alpha Driver Win 10
On 9/6/2015 11:38 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article , Neil wrote: One question for folks in this ng is whether an OS in a constant state of flux will provide sufficient reliability to run a business? I worry that it doesn't. On the other hand, the two major alternatives are just as bad these days. Even the linux people seem to have embraced change for the sake of change, with dumb stuff like systemd. I worry that unless embedded OS devices become popular enough to deliver viable feature sets user-managed systems will be a real burden. A real circle-jerk is being introduced. Even if one was able to prevent their OS from updating, the app developers have to keep their apps compatible with the "current state", so drivers, programs and so forth are reliable. Those with "unupgradable" tablets and smart phones can already experience the consequences of this. It's preposterous to impose that on businesses, which may be one reason the U.S. Navy is paying big money to MS to stick with XP. Not that I'm happy about that use of my tax bucks. -- Best regards, Neil |
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Lexicon Alpha Driver Win 10
On 06-09-2015 17:48, Nil wrote:
On 06 Sep 2015, Trevor wrote in rec.audio.pro: On 5/09/2015 11:22 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote: DanielleOM wrote: Are you sure you even want to be running win 10 on an audio workstation? What makes you think Windows 8 is any better? For one, Windows 8 doesn't update itself at any time it feels like it, whether you want it to or not. Nor does 10, unless you get the toy version. But worse is to come, the analphabets have won and we will see a never ending train of dumbification and reduced access to the engine bay. Kind regards Peter Larsen |
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Lexicon Alpha Driver Win 10
On 06 Sep 2015, Peter Larsen wrote in
rec.audio.pro: Nor does 10, unless you get the toy version. But worse is to come, the analphabets have won and we will see a never ending train of dumbification and reduced access to the engine bay. If by "toy" version, you mean the Home version, that's what 90% of people will have. There's little in Pro that Home has that the average user will use. The ability to delay (but not avoid) updates is a poor excuse for being forced to spend twice as much for a new version of Windows if you're eligible for a free or low-cost upgrade. Home Edition is no more a "toy" than any other edition. |
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Lexicon Alpha Driver Win 10
Neil wrote:
On 9/6/2015 11:38 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote: In article , Neil wrote: One question for folks in this ng is whether an OS in a constant state of flux will provide sufficient reliability to run a business? I worry that it doesn't. On the other hand, the two major alternatives are just as bad these days. Even the linux people seem to have embraced change for the sake of change, with dumb stuff like systemd. I worry that unless embedded OS devices become popular enough to deliver viable feature sets user-managed systems will be a real burden. Nah. A real circle-jerk is being introduced. It's been in play since the '80s. Even if one was able to prevent their OS from updating, the app developers have to keep their apps compatible with the "current state", so drivers, programs and so forth are reliable. And? I still use programs from win3.11 that work fine. They run on an XP virtual machine, but they run. Those with "unupgradable" tablets and smart phones can already experience the consequences of this. So don't use the stuff that does not work that way. It's preposterous to impose that on businesses, "Businesses" are the reason this is the way it is. which may be one reason the U.S. Navy is paying big money to MS to stick with XP. Not that I'm happy about that use of my tax bucks. That's the least of the Navy's technology worries. -- Les Cargill |
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Lexicon Alpha Driver Win 10
On 7/09/2015 2:48 AM, Nil wrote:
On 06 Sep 2015, Trevor wrote in rec.audio.pro: On 5/09/2015 11:22 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote: DanielleOM wrote: Are you sure you even want to be running win 10 on an audio workstation? What makes you think Windows 8 is any better? For one, Windows 8 doesn't update itself at any time it feels like it, whether you want it to or not. Since any sane person would never run an audio workstation while connected to the net, I don't see how it can update itself? In fact my DAW never connects to the net, any updates are done via another computer and USB stick. But since it doesn't connect to the net, are rarely required. Trevor. |
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Lexicon Alpha Driver Win 10
On Mon, 07 Sep 2015 18:39:14 +1000, Trevor wrote:
On 7/09/2015 2:48 AM, Nil wrote: On 06 Sep 2015, Trevor wrote in rec.audio.pro: On 5/09/2015 11:22 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote: DanielleOM wrote: Are you sure you even want to be running win 10 on an audio workstation? What makes you think Windows 8 is any better? For one, Windows 8 doesn't update itself at any time it feels like it, whether you want it to or not. Since any sane person would never run an audio workstation while connected to the net, I don't see how it can update itself? In fact my DAW never connects to the net, any updates are done via another computer and USB stick. But since it doesn't connect to the net, are rarely required. Trevor. That's what I'd do if I was doing serious music production. At the least I'd have a dual boot machine with only the DAW and maybe a few other apps on a second HDD and OS |
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Lexicon Alpha Driver Win 10
Gray_Wolf wrote:
On Mon, 07 Sep 2015 18:39:14 +1000, Trevor wrote: On 7/09/2015 2:48 AM, Nil wrote: On 06 Sep 2015, Trevor wrote in rec.audio.pro: On 5/09/2015 11:22 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote: DanielleOM wrote: Are you sure you even want to be running win 10 on an audio workstation? What makes you think Windows 8 is any better? For one, Windows 8 doesn't update itself at any time it feels like it, whether you want it to or not. Since any sane person would never run an audio workstation while connected to the net, I don't see how it can update itself? In fact my DAW never connects to the net, any updates are done via another computer and USB stick. But since it doesn't connect to the net, are rarely required. Trevor. That's what I'd do if I was doing serious music production. At the least I'd have a dual boot machine with only the DAW and maybe a few other apps on a second HDD and OS If I were billing hours, I might agree. I do both without problems on the same box for now. I do turn off the Ethernet port at times because some fool DPC checker suggested it ( and I can't tell the difference ). Nothing here updates itself. The only infection has been that Sony rootkit from 2007 or so. That came on a CD. And that was a different machine. The next more paranoid approach would be a VM for all the Internet stuff. -- Les Cargill |
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Lexicon Alpha Driver Win 10
Gray_Wolf writes:
On Mon, 07 Sep 2015 18:39:14 +1000, Trevor wrote: On 7/09/2015 2:48 AM, Nil wrote: On 06 Sep 2015, Trevor wrote in rec.audio.pro: On 5/09/2015 11:22 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote: snips Since any sane person would never run an audio workstation while connected to the net, I don't see how it can update itself? In fact my DAW never connects to the net, any updates are done via another computer and USB stick. But since it doesn't connect to the net, are rarely required. That's what I'd do if I was doing serious music production. At the least I'd have a dual boot machine with only the DAW and maybe a few other apps on a second HDD and OS In theory and past practice, I agree. But in more recent practice, a real-time 'net connection is vital, so much so that these days I'm leaving it always active on the production machine. Both of my past two large mix projects hinged on connectivity, and it'll be the same going forward. One project involved multiple pro and musicians' home studios spread out across the continent, with updates and add-ons coming fast and furious. (And me, being the mix guy, was at the end of that chain. I'd often be mixing one tune while in the background tracks for a new tune were coming in.) Going the other direction, the ability to post proofs immediately is very good. Then, at the end, getting a DDP player and file from the mastering facility "right there", on my desktop, is a nice touch as well. And all through this, being able to single click-and-drag milestone mixes out onto an off-site backup location with no fuss/no muss was very reassuring, particularly given the tight timetables. For me, messing with memory sticks or other transfer methods to get to a connected machine just doesn't cut it any more. There really isn't time and worse, the break in workflow isn't so helpful either. Even a dual boot would be a pain, because I couldn't continue to work on a mix while new data was loading in or proofs were going out. The good news is that on a modern machine, network activity no longer appears to have even the slightest impact on the DAW (unlike the bad old days). Plus, one can turn off many of the "garbage" services that promote "stupid use" of the network. If you're saying that with Win10 one doesn't have control of silly network uses unless the "pro" version of the OS is acquired, well, then, that's the game we'll have to play. Generally, other restrictions in "home" versions push me to the pro version from the get-go regardless. For now, I'll run Win7 as long as possible, if not a good ways beyond. YMMV Frank Mobile Audio -- |
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Lexicon Alpha Driver Win 10
On 07 Sep 2015, Trevor wrote in rec.audio.pro:
Since any sane person would never run an audio workstation while connected to the net, I don't see how it can update itself? In fact my DAW never connects to the net, any updates are done via another computer and USB stick. But since it doesn't connect to the net, are rarely required. In a pro studio environment I might try to minimize a workstation's Internet connectivity, but I would want it to be networked with the other workstations in the studio. There is no reason networking has to impact DAW performance. If it does, something is wrong, and that something should be fixed. |
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Lexicon Alpha Driver Win 10
Nil wrote:
On 07 Sep 2015, Trevor wrote in rec.audio.pro: Since any sane person would never run an audio workstation while connected to the net, I don't see how it can update itself? In fact my DAW never connects to the net, any updates are done via another computer and USB stick. But since it doesn't connect to the net, are rarely required. In a pro studio environment I might try to minimize a workstation's Internet connectivity, but I would want it to be networked with the other workstations in the studio. Agreed. There is no reason networking has to impact DAW performance. If it does, something is wrong, and that something should be fixed. It's also possible, if you have a machine that is constantly trying to phone home and being foiled by the lack of networking, that the system performance will be reduced by not having a network since the OS will be dealing with all these constant timeouts. That's something just as wrong. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Lexicon Alpha Driver Win 10
On 8/09/2015 1:02 AM, Frank Stearns wrote:
Gray_Wolf writes: On Mon, 07 Sep 2015 18:39:14 +1000, Trevor wrote: On 7/09/2015 2:48 AM, Nil wrote: On 06 Sep 2015, Trevor wrote in rec.audio.pro: On 5/09/2015 11:22 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote: snips Since any sane person would never run an audio workstation while connected to the net, I don't see how it can update itself? In fact my DAW never connects to the net, any updates are done via another computer and USB stick. But since it doesn't connect to the net, are rarely required. That's what I'd do if I was doing serious music production. At the least I'd have a dual boot machine with only the DAW and maybe a few other apps on a second HDD and OS In theory and past practice, I agree. But in more recent practice, a real-time 'net connection is vital, so much so that these days I'm leaving it always active on the production machine. Both of my past two large mix projects hinged on connectivity, and it'll be the same going forward. One project involved multiple pro and musicians' home studios spread out across the continent, with updates and add-ons coming fast and furious. (And me, being the mix guy, was at the end of that chain. I'd often be mixing one tune while in the background tracks for a new tune were coming in.) Going the other direction, the ability to post proofs immediately is very good. Then, at the end, getting a DDP player and file from the mastering facility "right there", on my desktop, is a nice touch as well. And all through this, being able to single click-and-drag milestone mixes out onto an off-site backup location with no fuss/no muss was very reassuring, particularly given the tight timetables. For me, messing with memory sticks or other transfer methods to get to a connected machine just doesn't cut it any more. There really isn't time and worse, the break in workflow isn't so helpful either. Even a dual boot would be a pain, because I couldn't continue to work on a mix while new data was loading in or proofs were going out. The good news is that on a modern machine, network activity no longer appears to have even the slightest impact on the DAW (unlike the bad old days). Plus, one can turn off many of the "garbage" services that promote "stupid use" of the network. That's all true, and a valid reason if you have those needs. I haven't had to do real time internet collaboration, and my backups are to USB hard drives, so for now I'm happy to not worry about internet problems including viruses. Trevor. |
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Lexicon Alpha Driver Win 10
On 8/09/2015 3:11 AM, Nil wrote:
On 07 Sep 2015, Trevor wrote in rec.audio.pro: Since any sane person would never run an audio workstation while connected to the net, I don't see how it can update itself? In fact my DAW never connects to the net, any updates are done via another computer and USB stick. But since it doesn't connect to the net, are rarely required. In a pro studio environment I might try to minimize a workstation's Internet connectivity, but I would want it to be networked with the other workstations in the studio. There is no reason networking has to impact DAW performance. If it does, something is wrong, and that something should be fixed. Having a separate internet machine means if somebody does something silly with that, it won't interrupt my DAW at least. But it's true there is a loss of convenience to be paid by isolating it. Each to their own. Trevor. |
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Lexicon Alpha Driver Win 10
On 8/09/2015 6:00 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
It's also possible, if you have a machine that is constantly trying to phone home and being foiled by the lack of networking, that the system performance will be reduced by not having a network since the OS will be dealing with all these constant timeouts. That's something just as wrong. I only have one program that takes a while to start while it tries to "phone home" and fails, but works fine after that. Personally I'm happy that it can't. Trevor. |
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Lexicon Alpha Driver Win 10
On Saturday, September 5, 2015 at 1:49:26 AM UTC-10, DanielleOM wrote:
I don't see a driver yet for win 10. I wonder if there's much chance that the win 8 driver will work. Danielle I was unable to even install Windows 10 until I uninstalled the Lexicon Alpha driver. The install failed twice with some sort of error relating to drivers. I figured the Lexicon Alpha was a likely culprit... Sure enough, that was it. Not a huge loss as it still works for system audio and I boot my system into Mac OS X for real creative work. |
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Lexicon Alpha Driver Win 10
Got it to work on Sonar X3 using MME. Just select "USB Device." Also use the monitor knob so you don't get latency.
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