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Mixing To Stereo - Best To Use Headphones - Not Speakers
I hear it too often, especially with wide stereo, sounds okay with speakers, but weak with headphones...
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abps...e2thepilot.mp3 Jack. |
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On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 6:50:56 PM UTC-4, wrote:
I hear it too often, especially with wide stereo, sounds okay with speakers, but weak with headphones... http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abps...e2thepilot.mp3 Jack. p.s. What I wanted to state, when you hear just one stereo speaker, each ear hears it. Not the same with Headphones, only one ear hears that Left or Right Stereo content. Why I feel it's best to check Stereo mixes with both speakers and headphones. Just a friendly word of caution!! Jack |
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On 19/08/2017 15:29, jtees4 wrote:
On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 15:58:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote: p.s. What I wanted to state, when you hear just one stereo speaker, each ear hears it. Not the same with Headphones, only one ear hears that Left or Right Stereo content. Why I feel it's best to check Stereo mixes with both speakers and headphones. Just a friendly word of caution!! Jack Tru Dat! The best mixes sound good on speakers and "outside your head" on headphones. They also sound good on phone speakers and full on disco systems running with full bass. This is why it takes days to mix a two minute track at times. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 1:16:56 PM UTC-4, John Williamson wrote:
On 19/08/2017 15:29, jtees4 wrote: On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 15:58:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote: p.s. What I wanted to state, when you hear just one stereo speaker, each ear hears it. Not the same with Headphones, only one ear hears that Left or Right Stereo content. Why I feel it's best to check Stereo mixes with both speakers and headphones. Just a friendly word of caution!! Jack Tru Dat! The best mixes sound good on speakers and "outside your head" on headphones. They also sound good on phone speakers and full on disco systems running with full bass. This is why it takes days to mix a two minute track at times. Sounds like the dude who took a year and a half to remix The Eagles songs, that I have yet to hear any remixing. But, to be fair, it's best to check with both headphones and speakers. Jack -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 10:29:27 AM UTC-4, jtees4 wrote:
On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 15:58:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 6:50:56 PM UTC-4, wrote: I hear it too often, especially with wide stereo, sounds okay with speakers, but weak with headphones... http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abps...e2thepilot.mp3 Jack. p.s. What I wanted to state, when you hear just one stereo speaker, each ear hears it. Not the same with Headphones, only one ear hears that Left or Right Stereo content. Why I feel it's best to check Stereo mixes with both speakers and headphones. Just a friendly word of caution!! Jack Tru Dat! Headphones: Sometimes, the "stereo" is a tad too much!.. http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abps...eenriver-s.mp3 Jack |
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It is easier to hear the effects of panning through
cans. The same pan setting will sound wider out there through headphones than over a pair of speakers. Mixing only through headphones may result in shallow, mono-y mixes when the final product is played over normally spaced speakers. |
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On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 10:12:32 AM UTC-4, John Williamson wrote:
On 21/08/2017 12:19, wrote: Sounds like the dude who took a year and a half to remix The Eagles songs, that I have yet to hear any remixing. If the original mix was good, any improvement will only be incremental. A bit more attack on the drums, smoother sustains and fades, clearer vocals and instruments by using modern processing rather than the older stuff. That sort of thing. You may only realise the difference when your ears get less tired after prolonged listening at high levels. The latest Beatles remixes sound exactly like the original mono mixes when you play them in isolation, apart from being stereo, but if you A-B them, the new ones sound better even when summed to mono. But, to be fair, it's best to check with both headphones and speakers. That's all you need to do when you are doing it as a hobby for your own consumption, but when you are being paid for it, it needs to sound as good as possible on all systems from the tiny speakers in cheap earbuds to the ultimate high end hifi systems favoured by audiophools, via the stupidy bass heavy systems in discos and many cars, if that's your target. -- Tciao for Now! John. You can never really tell how good or how bad a mix is until you mix it yourself. Look at Giles Martin, somehow manged to get a never heard tambourine in Penney Lane song!! What sound masking (I call it) does. Jack |
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On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 8:22:24 AM UTC-4, wrote:
It is easier to hear the effects of panning through cans. The same pan setting will sound wider out there through headphones than over a pair of speakers. Mixing only through headphones may result in shallow I'd claim just the opposite. Jack , mono-y mixes when the final product is played over normally spaced speakers. |
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On 22/08/2017 12:12 AM, John Williamson wrote:
On 21/08/2017 12:19, wrote: But, to be fair, it's best to check with both headphones and speakers. That's all you need to do when you are doing it as a hobby for your own consumption, but when you are being paid for it, it needs to sound as good as possible on all systems from the tiny speakers in cheap earbuds to the ultimate high end hifi systems favoured by audiophools, via the stupidy bass heavy systems in discos and many cars, if that's your target. As if you can make one mix that will sound great in all those environments. The best you can do is a mix that will not sound too terrible in any of them. Frankly I wish more audio was just mixed/mastered for good sound systems, since the others (except good headphones) are going to sound crap anyway. So I'd always check on headphones, but not car speakers myself. With such a huge variation in sound from so many different cars and also many after market sound systems, some with giant sub woofers and some with only 4" speakers, it's always seemed pointless to me. Trevor. |
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On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 10:12:32 AM UTC-4, John Williamson wrote:
On 21/08/2017 12:19, wrote: Sounds like the dude who took a year and a half to remix The Eagles songs, that I have yet to hear any remixing. If the original mix was good, any improvement will only be incremental. A bit more attack on the drums, smoother sustains and fades, clearer vocals and instruments by using modern processing rather than the older stuff. That sort of thing. You may only realise the difference when your ears get less tired after prolonged listening at high levels. The latest Beatles remixes sound exactly like the original mono mixes when you play them in isolation, apart from being stereo, but if you A-B them, the new ones sound better even when summed to mono. But, to be fair, it's best to check with both headphones and speakers. That's all you need to do when you are doing it as a hobby for your own consumption, but when you are being paid for it, it needs to sound as good as possible on all systems from the tiny speakers Excellent point, John! I used cheap Dell brand speakers at work to test my audio enhancing. I want the sound loud enough to comfortably fill a 30 foot X 30 foot office (room). Bass is usually the killer. Cheap speakers resonate, but MANY people use similar in this computer age. Jack in cheap earbuds to the ultimate high end hifi systems favoured by audiophools, via the stupidy bass heavy systems in discos and many cars, if that's your target.. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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On Tuesday, August 22, 2017 at 9:51:59 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 10:12:32 AM UTC-4, John Williamson wrote: On 21/08/2017 12:19, wrote: Sounds like the dude who took a year and a half to remix The Eagles songs, that I have yet to hear any remixing. If the original mix was good, any improvement will only be incremental. A bit more attack on the drums, smoother sustains and fades, clearer vocals and instruments by using modern processing rather than the older stuff. That sort of thing. You may only realise the difference when your ears get less tired after prolonged listening at high levels. The latest Beatles remixes sound exactly like the original mono mixes when you play them in isolation, apart from being stereo, but if you A-B them, the new ones sound better even when summed to mono. But, to be fair, it's best to check with both headphones and speakers.. That's all you need to do when you are doing it as a hobby for your own consumption, but when you are being paid for it, it needs to sound as good as possible on all systems from the tiny speakers Excellent point, John! I used cheap Dell brand speakers at work to test my audio enhancing. I want the sound loud enough to comfortably fill a 30 foot X 30 foot office (room). Bass is usually the killer. Cheap speakers resonate, but MANY people use similar in this computer age. Jack in cheap earbuds to the ultimate high end hifi systems favoured by audiophools, via the stupidy bass heavy systems in discos and many cars, if that's your target. -- Tciao for Now! John. p.s. I wanted to add, since mixing is the Subject. A 60's group, Bubble Puppy, had an international hit (loved it). Sadly, master tapes disappeared for CD. Anyway, from the founder of the band, he told me they use car speakers to mix the song, since they felt that's where most people would hear the song, in a car!! Jack |
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jjaj wrote: "I'd claim just the opposite.
Jack " sigh.... Of course YOU would! |
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On Tuesday, August 22, 2017 at 10:44:54 AM UTC-4, wrote:
jjaj wrote: "I'd claim just the opposite. Jack " sigh.... Of course YOU would! Have YOU mixed anything to stereo? Jack |
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On Tuesday, August 22, 2017 at 10:44:54 AM UTC-4, wrote:
jjaj wrote: "I'd claim just the opposite. Jack " sigh.... Of course YOU would! Not to sound like a wise as*... Let's start with the basics, why people enjoy stereophonic sound. Remember reading those numerous articles? No, you won't find any, at least I have never seen any!! Some things in life, you must answer your own questions, because a LOT of people have no idea why they were instructed to mix to stereo.. Just making a statement. Jack |
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On Tuesday, August 22, 2017 at 10:44:54 AM UTC-4, wrote:
jjaj wrote: "I'd claim just the opposite. Jack " sigh.... Of course YOU would! Why I receive this.... Hey Jack, I love your remastering on Angelfire.com and would like to try doing this also. What program do you use (is it Mac) and were do you get the original trax from ? Ive searched the net but cant find any. Best Regards Rory |
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On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 10:12:32 AM UTC-4, John Williamson wrote:
On 21/08/2017 12:19, wrote: Sounds like the dude who took a year and a half to remix The Eagles songs, that I have yet to hear any remixing. If the original mix was good, any improvement will only be incremental. A bit more attack on the drums, smoother sustains and fades, clearer vocals and instruments by using modern processing rather than the older stuff. That sort of thing. You may only realise the difference when your ears get less tired after prolonged listening at high levels. The latest Beatles remixes sound exactly like the original mono mixes when you play them in isolation, apart from being stereo, but if you A-B them, the new ones sound better even when summed to mono. But, to be fair, it's best to check with both headphones and speakers. That's all you need to do when you are doing it as a hobby for your own consumption, but when you are being paid for it, it needs to sound as good as possible on all systems from the tiny speakers in cheap earbuds to the ultimate high end hifi systems favoured by audiophools, via the stupidy bass heavy systems in discos and many cars, if that's your target. -- Tciao for Now! John. This didn't sound that great on Japan CD, hurt my ears. I adjusted with headphones, but at work with little speakers, I noticed it lacked bass. Blows my mind how nice it could have sounded. Couldn't even hear the tambourine!! http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abps...tationeyes.mp3 Jack |
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