I had so many replies in my last post about BOSE that I thought I'd
better start a new post. No one wants to read 199 or so posts and some
of the posts were not related to my question.

Thank you for all your helpful replies.


It's possible that the BOSE speakers do not sound good in a large
room.
The Room I have my BOSE speakers in is 5 x 3.5 meters. The distance
from the speakers is 3 meters.
The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low
frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume.
If I turn up the volume too high then the speakers don't sound so
good, for example when I say loud I mean so loud that I can't hear the
speech of someone standing next to me. I normally have the volume loud
enough to hear the phone ring or are able to talk to someone next to
me without shouting.

So what I'm saying is BOSE can sound good but only in a certain setup.

I had a listen a pair of Paradigm speakers. One was called "Esprit"
the other "Phantion". They're floor standing speakers. They seem to
sound their best with music that rapidly changes in volume such as
orchestra music that has impact as they have a wide dynamic range.
They lacked in imaging and in deep bass as there low frequency
response was 45Hz.

Regards Brian

You are ****ing brain dead.

I take that back, your either brainwashed or tone deaf or both.

You are your brainwashed or tone deaf or both.

But I will give you this one break in that you have never probably heard
a real quality hifi, which coincidentally you could assemble for as much
or less than your bose crap you are trying so hard to convince yourself
is worth anything over the $1 you spent on it.

Than again after reading all the wonderful posts with so much
information including a link to why bose IS NOT hifi I can see that you
are simply HOPELESS. So please just shove the bose up your ass and go
away with your bull **** trolling activities.

ren wrote:

You are your brainwashed or tone deaf or both.

But I will give you this one break in that you have never probably heard
a real quality hifi, which coincidentally you could assemble for as much
or less than your bose crap you are trying so hard to convince yourself
is worth anything over the $1 you spent on it.

Than again after reading all the wonderful posts with so much
information including a link to why bose IS NOT hifi I can see that you
are simply HOPELESS. So please just shove the bose up your ass and go
away with your bull **** trolling activities.

Just out of interest ren have you actually listened to BOSE speakers
or are you basing your judgement on what you have read?

Regards Brian

Brian wrote:
ren wrote:


You are your brainwashed or tone deaf or both.

But I will give you this one break in that you have never probably heard
a real quality hifi, which coincidentally you could assemble for as much
or less than your bose crap you are trying so hard to convince yourself
is worth anything over the $1 you spent on it.

Than again after reading all the wonderful posts with so much
information including a link to why bose IS NOT hifi I can see that you
are simply HOPELESS. So please just shove the bose up your ass and go
away with your bull **** trolling activities.


Just out of interest ren have you actually listened to BOSE speakers
or are you basing your judgement on what you have read?

Regards Brian


This is exactly what I mean. Brian I don't care what your preferences
are but when you continue to try to convince us that your Bose are good
quality IT IS LAUGHABLE I only wish you understood how laughable it is
so that you'd finally be quiet. Yes I have listened to Bose and I
understand a bit better than you and have a decent system so I can hear
how crappy they are. Moreover I can also see the other side (your side)
in that without knowledge or a reference how they can be pleasurable to
listen to. FINE. Then listen to them and enjoy them.

On 3/31/05 6:19 AM, in article , "ren"
wrote:

This is exactly what I mean. Brian I don't care what your preferences
are

And really neither do folks on unassociated groups, which leaves many of us
wondering just why it's such an intellectual challenge for you and All you
guys gals and others, to
get the fraggin crossposts cleaned up so
this thread ONLY shows up WHERE it's REALLY WANTED.

No reason not to.

It's Quick!
It's Fun!
It's EASY!
It earns you the respect and eternal homage of
Well
SOMEBODY I'd guess.
Just Do It.
Now
Please.
Thanks

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:32:08 GMT, SSJVCmag
wrote:

On 3/31/05 6:19 AM, in article , "ren"
wrote:

This is exactly what I mean. Brian I don't care what your preferences
are

And really neither do folks on unassociated groups, which leaves many of us
wondering just why it's such an intellectual challenge for you and All you
guys gals and others, to
get the fraggin crossposts cleaned up so
this thread ONLY shows up WHERE it's REALLY WANTED.

No reason not to.

It's Quick!
It's Fun!
It's EASY!
It earns you the respect and eternal homage of
Well
SOMEBODY I'd guess.
Just Do It.
Now
Please.
Thanks

Why don't you **** up a rope, you ******?

It seems to me that this discussion is on-topic in all the groups it's
in. If you feel otherwise, SAY which group you think is
inappropriate.

On 3/31/05 4:58 AM, in article ,
"Brian" wrote:

Just out of interest ren have you actually listened to BOSE speakers


Brian and All you guys gals and others,
get the fraggin crossposts cleaned up so
this thread ONLY shows up WHERe it's REALLY WANTED.

No reason not to.

It's Quick!
It's Fun!
It's EASY!
It earns you the respect and eternal homage of
Well
SOMEBODY I'd guess.
Just Do It.
Now
Please.
Thanks

Brian wrote:

Just out of interest ren have you actually listened to BOSE speakers
or are you basing your judgement on what you have read?

Brian, let me tell you, *everyone* here has heard ( been exposed to the
severe aural pain ) of listening to BOSE speakers.

When we criticise them we aren't joking ! We are pros with decades of
experience each most likely.

I only wish you had a PMC dealer near you. You would probably faint at the
quality of the sound.

Btw - do please follow my link(s) to PMC. You'll notice that they are used by
Metropolis Studios London in their Mastering Labs. That's where they 'cut'
CDs and stuff. A recommendation doesn't really come much higher than that.

http://www.pmcloudspeaker.com/studios/metmas.html

I've heard them myself and was stunned at their quality of reproduction. Not
everyone *likes* accurate reproduction however but I doubt you'd be
unhappy ;-)

AFAIK they aren't even that expensive !

They're local to me and I have some contacts with them

http://www.pmcloudspeaker.com/studios/prism.html

The sales and technical director of Prism are old mates of mine ( 2 of the
guys in the pic ) . I bet they could fix a deal to supply you.


Graham

I was curious but I couldn't find a price list for the PMCs
anywhere...

Al

On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 02:21:44 +0100, Pooh Bear
wrote:

Btw - do please follow my link(s) to PMC. You'll notice that they are used by
Metropolis Studios London in their Mastering Labs. That's where they 'cut'
CDs and stuff. A recommendation doesn't really come much higher than that.

http://www.pmcloudspeaker.com/studios/metmas.html

I've heard them myself and was stunned at their quality of reproduction. Not
everyone *likes* accurate reproduction however but I doubt you'd be
unhappy ;-)

AFAIK they aren't even that expensive

playon wrote:

I was curious but I couldn't find a price list for the PMCs
anywhere...

Probably need to contact the distributor for your country.

Graham

Good call...when I redesign my mastering room, PMC's are going in...

"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
...

Brian wrote:

Just out of interest ren have you actually listened to BOSE speakers
or are you basing your judgement on what you have read?

Brian, let me tell you, *everyone* here has heard ( been exposed to the
severe aural pain ) of listening to BOSE speakers.

When we criticise them we aren't joking ! We are pros with decades of
experience each most likely.

I only wish you had a PMC dealer near you. You would probably faint at the
quality of the sound.

Btw - do please follow my link(s) to PMC. You'll notice that they are used
by
Metropolis Studios London in their Mastering Labs. That's where they 'cut'
CDs and stuff. A recommendation doesn't really come much higher than that.

http://www.pmcloudspeaker.com/studios/metmas.html

I've heard them myself and was stunned at their quality of reproduction.
Not
everyone *likes* accurate reproduction however but I doubt you'd be
unhappy ;-)

AFAIK they aren't even that expensive !

They're local to me and I have some contacts with them

http://www.pmcloudspeaker.com/studios/prism.html

The sales and technical director of Prism are old mates of mine ( 2 of the
guys in the pic ) . I bet they could fix a deal to supply you.


Graham

ren wrote:

You are your brainwashed or tone deaf or both.

But I will give you this one break in that you have never probably heard
a real quality hifi, which coincidentally you could assemble for as much
or less than your bose crap you are trying so hard to convince yourself
is worth anything over the $1 you spent on it.

Than again after reading all the wonderful posts with so much
information including a link to why bose IS NOT hifi I can see that you
are simply HOPELESS. So please just shove the bose up your ass and go
away with your bull **** trolling activities.

Let me make one thing clear- I'm an open minded person and not narrow
minded. I welcome peoples comments and find them useful.
I intend to listen to other brands of speakers.

Regards Brian

Brian wrote:
ren wrote:


You are your brainwashed or tone deaf or both.

But I will give you this one break in that you have never probably heard
a real quality hifi, which coincidentally you could assemble for as much
or less than your bose crap you are trying so hard to convince yourself
is worth anything over the $1 you spent on it.

Than again after reading all the wonderful posts with so much
information including a link to why bose IS NOT hifi I can see that you
are simply HOPELESS. So please just shove the bose up your ass and go
away with your bull **** trolling activities.


Let me make one thing clear- I'm an open minded person and not narrow
minded. I welcome peoples comments and find them useful.
I intend to listen to other brands of speakers.

Regards Brian

Glad to hear it as it will only benefit your ultimate listening
experience. I would seriously go used you're going to get a lot more
for your money as long as your seller has a good reputation. Also check
out Audiogon.com for B&W and ADS you'll find a lot of great deals there
too. Not to mention you can read some of the forums discussing $$$$$$$
speakers.

On 3/31/05 5:32 AM, in article ,
"Brian" wrote:

Let me make one thing clear- I'm an open minded person

Brian that's absolutely EXCELLENT! Then you;re open to the simple idea that
you and All you guys gals and others,
get the fraggin crossposts cleaned up so
this thread ONLY shows up WHERe it's REALLY WANTED.

No reason not to.

It's Quick!
It's Fun!
It's EASY!
It earns you the respect and eternal homage of
Well
SOMEBODY I'd guess.
Just Do It.
Now
Please.
Thanks

Brian wrote:
I had so many replies in my last post about BOSE that I thought I'd
better start a new post. No one wants to read 199 or so posts and some
of the posts were not related to my question.

Thank you for all your helpful replies.


It's possible that the BOSE speakers do not sound good in a large
room.
The Room I have my BOSE speakers in is 5 x 3.5 meters. The distance
from the speakers is 3 meters.
The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low
frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume.
If I turn up the volume too high then the speakers don't sound so
good, for example when I say loud I mean so loud that I can't hear the
speech of someone standing next to me. I normally have the volume loud
enough to hear the phone ring or are able to talk to someone next to
me without shouting.

So what I'm saying is BOSE can sound good but only in a certain setup.

I had a listen a pair of Paradigm speakers. One was called "Esprit"
the other "Phantion". They're floor standing speakers. They seem to
sound their best with music that rapidly changes in volume such as
orchestra music that has impact as they have a wide dynamic range.
They lacked in imaging and in deep bass as there low frequency
response was 45Hz.

Regards Brian

I want to be polite but simply put with no way around it you are just
plain wrong about your observations. Unless you are using them as
headphones and even then your results are questionable. Have you ever
heard a real hifi? The previous thread had links to detailed
information regarding the inadequacies of bose systems did you read
them. You are really turning into a troll or someone with severe buyers
remorse trying to convince themselves of something is scientifically
untrue. If bose floats your boat then be quiet and float away but don't
be a FOOL and try to convince rational audiophiles that bose is anything
even nearly resembling true fidelity. Bose is an attempt at getting a
certain kind of concert like live sound it is not accurate 20Hz-20kHz
+/- 3dB sound reproduction. That said a pair of good tweeters costs
more than those dinky distortion producing non uniform frequency
outputting mid bass drivers (if they can even be called that) that are
in your bose system. Please sit in your room and listen to your bose
system and enjoy it, because I'm sure it can be enjoyable but again
don't try to convince anyone that it's hifi. Thanks.

On 3/30/05 7:06 PM, in article , "ren"
wrote:

Brian wrote:
I had so many replies in my last post about BOSE
I want to be polite but simply put with no way around it you are just
plain wrong

Brian and all you Kids, let's edit those crosspost headers.
It's Easy,
It's Fun
and it makes you smarter than the dolt who snuck so many unwanted
destinations in there!
Go for it!
Thanks!

ren wrote:

Brian wrote:
I had so many replies in my last post about BOSE that I thought I'd
better start a new post. No one wants to read 199 or so posts and some
of the posts were not related to my question.

Thank you for all your helpful replies.


It's possible that the BOSE speakers do not sound good in a large
room.
The Room I have my BOSE speakers in is 5 x 3.5 meters. The distance
from the speakers is 3 meters.
The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low
frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume.
If I turn up the volume too high then the speakers don't sound so
good, for example when I say loud I mean so loud that I can't hear the
speech of someone standing next to me. I normally have the volume loud
enough to hear the phone ring or are able to talk to someone next to
me without shouting.

So what I'm saying is BOSE can sound good but only in a certain setup.

I had a listen a pair of Paradigm speakers. One was called "Esprit"
the other "Phantion". They're floor standing speakers. They seem to
sound their best with music that rapidly changes in volume such as
orchestra music that has impact as they have a wide dynamic range.
They lacked in imaging and in deep bass as there low frequency
response was 45Hz.

Regards Brian

I want to be polite but simply put with no way around it you are just
plain wrong about your observations. Unless you are using them as
headphones and even then your results are questionable. Have you ever
heard a real hifi? The previous thread had links to detailed
information regarding the inadequacies of bose systems did you read
them. You are really turning into a troll or someone with severe buyers
remorse trying to convince themselves of something is scientifically
untrue. If bose floats your boat then be quiet and float away but don't
be a FOOL and try to convince rational audiophiles that bose is anything
even nearly resembling true fidelity. Bose is an attempt at getting a
certain kind of concert like live sound it is not accurate 20Hz-20kHz
+/- 3dB sound reproduction. That said a pair of good tweeters costs
more than those dinky distortion producing non uniform frequency
outputting mid bass drivers (if they can even be called that) that are
in your bose system. Please sit in your room and listen to your bose
system and enjoy it, because I'm sure it can be enjoyable but again
don't try to convince anyone that it's hifi. Thanks.

Please do be polite.
I believe that some speakers are better for Rock music, some speakers
are better for classical music and some speakers are better for
movies.
These days you have buy a set of 5 speakers and a sub for $199 at a
store that sells food, but I'm sure they would be much worse than BOSE
speakers.
I took peoples advice and listened to a pair of Paradigm speakers. I
was hoping to listen to other speakers but the sells man seemed to be
keen on wanting me to listen to only this brand of speakers.
I'm hoping to listen to other brands of speakers. Ideally it would be
good to setup a pair of speakers in my home and that way I could get
to hear what they really sound like, but most dealers are not keen on
having speakers go out of the store for a demo.

I'm not tone death or brain dead as you said. I have an open mind else
I would not bother to read the replys or listen to other speakers.

Regards Brian

Brian wrote:
ren wrote:


Brian wrote:

I had so many replies in my last post about BOSE that I thought I'd
better start a new post. No one wants to read 199 or so posts and some
of the posts were not related to my question.

Thank you for all your helpful replies.


It's possible that the BOSE speakers do not sound good in a large
room.
The Room I have my BOSE speakers in is 5 x 3.5 meters. The distance
from the speakers is 3 meters.
The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low
frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume.
If I turn up the volume too high then the speakers don't sound so
good, for example when I say loud I mean so loud that I can't hear the
speech of someone standing next to me. I normally have the volume loud
enough to hear the phone ring or are able to talk to someone next to
me without shouting.

So what I'm saying is BOSE can sound good but only in a certain setup.

I had a listen a pair of Paradigm speakers. One was called "Esprit"
the other "Phantion". They're floor standing speakers. They seem to
sound their best with music that rapidly changes in volume such as
orchestra music that has impact as they have a wide dynamic range.
They lacked in imaging and in deep bass as there low frequency
response was 45Hz.

Regards Brian


I want to be polite but simply put with no way around it you are just
plain wrong about your observations. Unless you are using them as
headphones and even then your results are questionable. Have you ever
heard a real hifi? The previous thread had links to detailed
information regarding the inadequacies of bose systems did you read
them. You are really turning into a troll or someone with severe buyers
remorse trying to convince themselves of something is scientifically
untrue. If bose floats your boat then be quiet and float away but don't
be a FOOL and try to convince rational audiophiles that bose is anything
even nearly resembling true fidelity. Bose is an attempt at getting a
certain kind of concert like live sound it is not accurate 20Hz-20kHz
+/- 3dB sound reproduction. That said a pair of good tweeters costs
more than those dinky distortion producing non uniform frequency
outputting mid bass drivers (if they can even be called that) that are
in your bose system. Please sit in your room and listen to your bose
system and enjoy it, because I'm sure it can be enjoyable but again
don't try to convince anyone that it's hifi. Thanks.


Please do be polite.
I believe that some speakers are better for Rock music, some speakers
are better for classical music and some speakers are better for
movies.
These days you have buy a set of 5 speakers and a sub for $199 at a
store that sells food, but I'm sure they would be much worse than BOSE
speakers.
I took peoples advice and listened to a pair of Paradigm speakers. I
was hoping to listen to other speakers but the sells man seemed to be
keen on wanting me to listen to only this brand of speakers.
I'm hoping to listen to other brands of speakers. Ideally it would be
good to setup a pair of speakers in my home and that way I could get
to hear what they really sound like, but most dealers are not keen on
having speakers go out of the store for a demo.

I'm not tone death or brain dead as you said. I have an open mind else
I would not bother to read the replys or listen to other speakers.

Regards Brian
You can't correct a wrong with another and use that as a basis for
thinking that the first wrong is then correct. If you want to stay in a
budget I think you need to go with used equipment. Pick up a pair of
ADS speakers on ebay. You can get a pair that used to sell for $800 for
around $200. Models L810, L710, L780, L520. It can be a four driver
three way system or a three driver three way system or a two driver two
way system. Any of those will serve you well and far outperform the
paradigm or the bose. Go take a look and post back as to what you are
considering we'll guide you along as to if they look OK. Here is an
example:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW

These will sound fine and are in great condition. Another option is to
get a pair of B&W. I've been following them in ebay lately trying to
zero in on a purchase here are the average selling prices over the last
month. You can try for a pair of DM601 S1.


Series 1
600
601 276
602 374
602.5
603 495
604 705

Series 2
600
601 339
602 398
602.5
603 627
604 925
605 885

Series 3
600 297
601 335
602 491
602.5 576
603
604


Either the ADS or the B&W are fine speakers and will play loud and NOT
DISTORT, they have full bandwidth and smooth clear sound with very good
imaging)

What say you?

ren wrote:

Brian wrote:
ren wrote:


Brian wrote:

I had so many replies in my last post about BOSE that I thought I'd
better start a new post. No one wants to read 199 or so posts and some
of the posts were not related to my question.

Thank you for all your helpful replies.


It's possible that the BOSE speakers do not sound good in a large
room.
The Room I have my BOSE speakers in is 5 x 3.5 meters. The distance
from the speakers is 3 meters.
The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low
frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume.
If I turn up the volume too high then the speakers don't sound so
good, for example when I say loud I mean so loud that I can't hear the
speech of someone standing next to me. I normally have the volume loud
enough to hear the phone ring or are able to talk to someone next to
me without shouting.

So what I'm saying is BOSE can sound good but only in a certain setup.

I had a listen a pair of Paradigm speakers. One was called "Esprit"
the other "Phantion". They're floor standing speakers. They seem to
sound their best with music that rapidly changes in volume such as
orchestra music that has impact as they have a wide dynamic range.
They lacked in imaging and in deep bass as there low frequency
response was 45Hz.

Regards Brian


I want to be polite but simply put with no way around it you are just
plain wrong about your observations. Unless you are using them as
headphones and even then your results are questionable. Have you ever
heard a real hifi? The previous thread had links to detailed
information regarding the inadequacies of bose systems did you read
them. You are really turning into a troll or someone with severe buyers
remorse trying to convince themselves of something is scientifically
untrue. If bose floats your boat then be quiet and float away but don't
be a FOOL and try to convince rational audiophiles that bose is anything
even nearly resembling true fidelity. Bose is an attempt at getting a
certain kind of concert like live sound it is not accurate 20Hz-20kHz
+/- 3dB sound reproduction. That said a pair of good tweeters costs
more than those dinky distortion producing non uniform frequency
outputting mid bass drivers (if they can even be called that) that are
in your bose system. Please sit in your room and listen to your bose
system and enjoy it, because I'm sure it can be enjoyable but again
don't try to convince anyone that it's hifi. Thanks.


Please do be polite.
I believe that some speakers are better for Rock music, some speakers
are better for classical music and some speakers are better for
movies.
These days you have buy a set of 5 speakers and a sub for $199 at a
store that sells food, but I'm sure they would be much worse than BOSE
speakers.
I took peoples advice and listened to a pair of Paradigm speakers. I
was hoping to listen to other speakers but the sells man seemed to be
keen on wanting me to listen to only this brand of speakers.
I'm hoping to listen to other brands of speakers. Ideally it would be
good to setup a pair of speakers in my home and that way I could get
to hear what they really sound like, but most dealers are not keen on
having speakers go out of the store for a demo.

I'm not tone death or brain dead as you said. I have an open mind else
I would not bother to read the replys or listen to other speakers.

Regards Brian
You can't correct a wrong with another and use that as a basis for
thinking that the first wrong is then correct. If you want to stay in a
budget I think you need to go with used equipment. Pick up a pair of
ADS speakers on ebay. You can get a pair that used to sell for $800 for
around $200. Models L810, L710, L780, L520. It can be a four driver
three way system or a three driver three way system or a two driver two
way system. Any of those will serve you well and far outperform the
paradigm or the bose. Go take a look and post back as to what you are
considering we'll guide you along as to if they look OK. Here is an
example:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW

These will sound fine and are in great condition. Another option is to
get a pair of B&W. I've been following them in ebay lately trying to
zero in on a purchase here are the average selling prices over the last
month. You can try for a pair of DM601 S1.


Series 1
600
601 276
602 374
602.5
603 495
604 705

Series 2
600
601 339
602 398
602.5
603 627
604 925
605 885

Series 3
600 297
601 335
602 491
602.5 576
603
604


Either the ADS or the B&W are fine speakers and will play loud and NOT
DISTORT, they have full bandwidth and smooth clear sound with very good
imaging)

What say you?

Thanks ren.
I've found in the past that I end up spending a bit more money than I
expected to else I limit my choice.
I hope to try some B&W speakers soon.

Regards Brian

Brian wrote:
ren wrote:


Brian wrote:

ren wrote:



Brian wrote:


I had so many replies in my last post about BOSE that I thought I'd
better start a new post. No one wants to read 199 or so posts and some
of the posts were not related to my question.

Thank you for all your helpful replies.


It's possible that the BOSE speakers do not sound good in a large
room.
The Room I have my BOSE speakers in is 5 x 3.5 meters. The distance

from the speakers is 3 meters.

The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low
frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume.
If I turn up the volume too high then the speakers don't sound so
good, for example when I say loud I mean so loud that I can't hear the
speech of someone standing next to me. I normally have the volume loud
enough to hear the phone ring or are able to talk to someone next to
me without shouting.

So what I'm saying is BOSE can sound good but only in a certain setup.

I had a listen a pair of Paradigm speakers. One was called "Esprit"
the other "Phantion". They're floor standing speakers. They seem to
sound their best with music that rapidly changes in volume such as
orchestra music that has impact as they have a wide dynamic range.
They lacked in imaging and in deep bass as there low frequency
response was 45Hz.

Regards Brian


I want to be polite but simply put with no way around it you are just
plain wrong about your observations. Unless you are using them as
headphones and even then your results are questionable. Have you ever
heard a real hifi? The previous thread had links to detailed
information regarding the inadequacies of bose systems did you read
them. You are really turning into a troll or someone with severe buyers
remorse trying to convince themselves of something is scientifically
untrue. If bose floats your boat then be quiet and float away but don't
be a FOOL and try to convince rational audiophiles that bose is anything
even nearly resembling true fidelity. Bose is an attempt at getting a
certain kind of concert like live sound it is not accurate 20Hz-20kHz
+/- 3dB sound reproduction. That said a pair of good tweeters costs
more than those dinky distortion producing non uniform frequency
outputting mid bass drivers (if they can even be called that) that are
in your bose system. Please sit in your room and listen to your bose
system and enjoy it, because I'm sure it can be enjoyable but again
don't try to convince anyone that it's hifi. Thanks.


Please do be polite.
I believe that some speakers are better for Rock music, some speakers
are better for classical music and some speakers are better for
movies.
These days you have buy a set of 5 speakers and a sub for $199 at a
store that sells food, but I'm sure they would be much worse than BOSE
speakers.
I took peoples advice and listened to a pair of Paradigm speakers. I
was hoping to listen to other speakers but the sells man seemed to be
keen on wanting me to listen to only this brand of speakers.
I'm hoping to listen to other brands of speakers. Ideally it would be
good to setup a pair of speakers in my home and that way I could get
to hear what they really sound like, but most dealers are not keen on
having speakers go out of the store for a demo.

I'm not tone death or brain dead as you said. I have an open mind else
I would not bother to read the replys or listen to other speakers.

Regards Brian

You can't correct a wrong with another and use that as a basis for
thinking that the first wrong is then correct. If you want to stay in a
budget I think you need to go with used equipment. Pick up a pair of
ADS speakers on ebay. You can get a pair that used to sell for $800 for
around $200. Models L810, L710, L780, L520. It can be a four driver
three way system or a three driver three way system or a two driver two
way system. Any of those will serve you well and far outperform the
paradigm or the bose. Go take a look and post back as to what you are
considering we'll guide you along as to if they look OK. Here is an
example:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW

These will sound fine and are in great condition. Another option is to
get a pair of B&W. I've been following them in ebay lately trying to
zero in on a purchase here are the average selling prices over the last
month. You can try for a pair of DM601 S1.


Series 1
600
601 276
602 374
602.5
603 495
604 705

Series 2
600
601 339
602 398
602.5
603 627
604 925
605 885

Series 3
600 297
601 335
602 491
602.5 576
603
604


Either the ADS or the B&W are fine speakers and will play loud and NOT
DISTORT, they have full bandwidth and smooth clear sound with very good
imaging)

What say you?


Thanks ren.
I've found in the past that I end up spending a bit more money than I
expected to else I limit my choice.
I hope to try some B&W speakers soon.

Regards Brian
Here is a less expensive B&W which I don't think will perform as well as
the DM600 series. BUT read the details and look at the graphs it will be
good for your thirst for knowledge. BTW plastic boxes like bose uses
really do a poor job with the accelerometer testing of the cabinet
resonances. This greatly colors/distorts the signal you are listening to.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...e=STRK:MEWA:IT

Brian wrote:

I hope to try some B&W speakers soon.

B&W do at least have some technical integrity. You may or may not *like* the sound. Depends what
you're used to, to be honest.


Graham

On 3/31/05 5:10 AM, in article ,
"Brian" wrote:

I'm not tone death or brain dead as you said.

Brian (again) and All you guys gals and others,
get the fraggin crossposts cleaned up so
this thread ONLY shows up WHERe it's REALLY WANTED.

No reason not to.

It's Quick!
It's Fun!
It's EASY!
It earns you the respect and eternal homage of
Well
SOMEBODY I'd guess.
Just Do It.
Now
Please.
Thanks

"SSJVCmag" wrote in message
...
On 3/31/05 5:10 AM, in article ,
"Brian" wrote:

I'm not tone death or brain dead as you said.

Brian (again) and All you guys gals and others,
get the fraggin crossposts cleaned up so
this thread ONLY shows up WHERe it's REALLY WANTED.

SSJVblaaablaaa

Whre are you reading it from where it's "not wanted" ? This may be the same
group that I'm reading it from where it then *is wanted* , if only because
of a morbid sense of curiosity....


geoff

On 3/31/05 3:11 PM, in article , "Geoff Wood"
wrote:

Whre are you reading it from where it's "not wanted" ? This may be the same
group that I'm reading it from where it then *is wanted* , if only because
of a morbid sense of curiosity....

If it contains free-rambling opinion content, postin and readin it there in
rao is the right way to go about it. Otherwise the whole web would be One
Bug Group for Everyone. It's actual content places it in RAO and It thus
doesn;t belong in 'tech' or 'acoustics' any more than it belongs in
rec.soil.analysis.

Again I refer to Peter Larson's earlier very nice explanation of all this.

I really apologise. I meant to stop this several messages back.
Thanks you all.

"Brian" wrote in message

These days you have buy a set of 5 speakers and a sub for $199 at a
store that sells food, but I'm sure they would be much worse than BOSE
speakers.

No, the #199 speakers are likly of a similar quality. Maybe the BOSE are a
little better,

geoff

Brian wrote:

I believe that some speakers are better for Rock music, some speakers
are better for classical music and some speakers are better for
movies.

And some are great for everything.

These days you have buy a set of 5 speakers and a sub for $199 at a
store that sells food, but I'm sure they would be much worse than BOSE
speakers.

Why would anyone want to buy speakers there ?

I took peoples advice and listened to a pair of Paradigm speakers. I
was hoping to listen to other speakers but the sells man seemed to be
keen on wanting me to listen to only this brand of speakers.

Surprise ! I guess he gets better commission on them ! That's how it works.


Graham

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:10:49 +1200, in rec.audio.pro you wrote:


Please do be polite.
I believe that some speakers are better for Rock music, some speakers
are better for classical music and some speakers are better for
movies.

I believe that some speakers are better for LISTENERS of Rock music,
some speakes are better for LISTENERS of classical music and some
speakers are better for LISTENERS of movies.

Listeners of Rock music like really thumpy bass and in your face
presence. Classical listeners like accurate reproduction, etc.

Audio engineers like accurate reproduction even for rock music.

All is bull****.
Willie K. Yee, M.D. http://users.bestweb.net/~wkyee
Developer of Problem Knowledge Couplers for Psychiatry http://www.pkc.com
Webmaster and Guitarist for the Big Blue Big Band http://www.bigbluebigband.org

Agreed. I don't even have a stereo system in the house because I have my
studio if I want to listen to music accurately.

These audiophile guys don't know what they are missing when they try to
simply boost the properties of a system for the characteristics they like.
One man's trash is another's golden find.

Show me a guy that's put $50k into their listening system and I could
probably still find environmental reason why it doesn't work well. It's the
same problem we see with home theaters. They generally are consumer items,
even if the cost is prohibitive, and don't fit the room, aren't set up
correctly, and generally sound like ****.

But if it's $50k that they wished to spend on what they get, then fine. I'm
not about to tell them how bad it sounds, but you won't catch me telling
them it sounds good either.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/
"Willie K.Yee, M.D." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:10:49 +1200, in rec.audio.pro you wrote:


Please do be polite.
I believe that some speakers are better for Rock music, some speakers
are better for classical music and some speakers are better for
movies.

I believe that some speakers are better for LISTENERS of Rock music,
some speakes are better for LISTENERS of classical music and some
speakers are better for LISTENERS of movies.

Listeners of Rock music like really thumpy bass and in your face
presence. Classical listeners like accurate reproduction, etc.

Audio engineers like accurate reproduction even for rock music.

All is bull****.
Willie K. Yee, M.D. http://users.bestweb.net/~wkyee
Developer of Problem Knowledge Couplers for Psychiatry http://www.pkc.com
Webmaster and Guitarist for the Big Blue Big Band
http://www.bigbluebigband.org

Uses Bose 901's atop his console?

Roger W. Norman wrote:
Agreed. I don't even have a stereo system in the house because I have my
studio if I want to listen to music accurately.

These audiophile guys don't know what they are missing when they try to
simply boost the properties of a system for the characteristics they like.
One man's trash is another's golden find.

Show me a guy that's put $50k into their listening system and I could
probably still find environmental reason why it doesn't work well. It's the
same problem we see with home theaters. They generally are consumer items,
even if the cost is prohibitive, and don't fit the room, aren't set up
correctly, and generally sound like ****.

But if it's $50k that they wished to spend on what they get, then fine. I'm
not about to tell them how bad it sounds, but you won't catch me telling
them it sounds good either.

Uses Bose 901 atop his console next to a set of Yamaha NS-10?

Roger W. Norman wrote:
Agreed. I don't even have a stereo system in the house because I have my
studio if I want to listen to music accurately.

These audiophile guys don't know what they are missing when they try to
simply boost the properties of a system for the characteristics they like.
One man's trash is another's golden find.

Show me a guy that's put $50k into their listening system and I could
probably still find environmental reason why it doesn't work well. It's the
same problem we see with home theaters. They generally are consumer items,
even if the cost is prohibitive, and don't fit the room, aren't set up
correctly, and generally sound like ****.

But if it's $50k that they wished to spend on what they get, then fine. I'm
not about to tell them how bad it sounds, but you won't catch me telling
them it sounds good either.

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:08:04 +1200, Brian wrote:

The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low
frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume.

Right...

On 3/30/05 9:18 PM, in article ,
"playon" wrote:


Right...

Al and all you Kids, let's edit those crosspost headers.
It's Easy,
It's Fun
and it makes you smarter than the dolt who snuck so many unwanted
destinations in there!
Go for it!
Thanks!

playon wrote:

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:08:04 +1200, Brian wrote:

The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low
frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume.

Right...

Does that mean you agree with me.
I think I got the idea of facing the bass and sub woofer speaker at
the wall from a HiFi magazine.

Regards Brian

On 3/31/05 5:34 AM, in article ,
"Brian" wrote:

Does that mean you agree with me.

Probably, as long as in includes the concept that
yourself and All you guys gals and others,
get the fraggin crossposts cleaned up so
this thread ONLY shows up WHERe it's REALLY WANTED.

No reason not to.

It's Quick!
It's Fun!
It's EASY!
It earns you the respect and eternal homage of
Well
SOMEBODY I'd guess.
Just Do It.
Now
Please.
Thanks

Brian wrote:

playon wrote:

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:08:04 +1200, Brian wrote:

The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low
frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume.

Right...

Does that mean you agree with me.
I think I got the idea of facing the bass and sub woofer speaker at
the wall from a HiFi magazine.

This kind of thing was considered a neat idea back in the 50s, Brian !
Technology has moved on a teensy weensy bit since then !

Whatever you do - *don't* use most so-called 'hi-fi' magazines as a
reliable source of info. They're there to sell adverts - that's all.

You might try reading the pro-audio press but even that is getting
polluted by snake oil purveyors now.


Graham

Brian wrote:

playon wrote:

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:08:04 +1200, Brian wrote:

The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low
frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume.

Right...

Does that mean you agree with me.

No, it means I think you are ignorant.

Al

Brian wrote:
I had so many replies in my last post about BOSE that I thought I'd
better start a new post. No one wants to read 199 or so posts and some
of the posts were not related to my question.

More on Bose. It's a never ending oddesy.

Thank you for all your helpful replies.

But did they make an impression? Did you look at some of the posted
links that discuss the Bose dilemma in detail?

It's possible that the BOSE speakers do not sound good in a large
room.
The Room I have my BOSE speakers in is 5 x 3.5 meters. The distance
from the speakers is 3 meters.

Very scientific.

The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low
frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume.

Yes more reflection gives more bass but...ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

If I turn up the volume too high then the speakers don't sound so
good, for example when I say loud I mean so loud that I can't hear the
speech of someone standing next to me. I normally have the volume loud
enough to hear the phone ring or are able to talk to someone next to
me without shouting.

This is also an indication of the fact that even when you can't hear the
speakers distorting at lower volumes they still are.

So what I'm saying is BOSE can sound good but only in a certain setup.

Totally subjective but yes they can if that is what you like, just don't
call them hifi or be under the misconception you can't get better
fidelity (more true output in relation to the source) for the same money.

I had a listen a pair of Paradigm speakers. One was called "Esprit"
the other "Phantion". They're floor standing speakers. They seem to
sound their best with music that rapidly changes in volume such as
orchestra music that has impact as they have a wide dynamic range.
They lacked in imaging and in deep bass as there low frequency
response was 45Hz.

You Bose system probably doesn't go anywhere near that low and if you
put the Paradigm in the same corner where your sub is they would be
considerably lower sounding than your Bose sub. But you are saying that
the Bose have better imaging? I would submit that if you had the
Paradigm setup in your room not the store that the imaging would be far
superior to the Bose.

Regards Brian

Ren says enjoy your Bose but you should really read some of those links
listed in the previous thread. Hey if you like the way they sound then
that's the whole point but you should try and hook up with an audiophile
can let you listen to a hifi system I think you will be impressed.

On 3/30/05 10:02 PM, in article , "ren"
wrote:


Ren says enjoy your Bose

Ren and all you Kids, let's edit those crosspost headers.
It's Easy,
It's Fun
and it makes you smarter than the dolt who snuck so many unwanted
destinations in there!
Go for it!
Thanks!