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Old November 3rd 18, 04:16 AM posted to rec.audio.pro
Ron C[_2_]
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Default Old Mackie CR 1604 vlz .... ribbon cable problems?

The desk I normally use for my Halloween stuff seems to have been
taken out by one of my cats. [Long uninteresting story]
Anyway, I pulled out my old Mackie CR 1604 vlz to fill in.
Seems that board suffers from that ribbon cable oxidation
problem that I seem to recall was common to them.

Two questions:
[1] Can I still get replacement ribbon cables for that board?
( ...and if so , where? )

[2] I'm thinking about getting a Mackie ProFX16v2 to fill in
for the dead desk and the sick CR 1604...

Has Mackie solved the ribbon cable problem in the new board?
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Note: I'm mostly retired from sound stuff, and just do simple
hobby level holiday stuff.

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Old November 3rd 18, 06:12 AM posted to rec.audio.pro
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Default Old Mackie CR 1604 vlz .... ribbon cable problems?

On 3/11/2018 4:16 PM, Ron C wrote:
> The desk I normally use for my Halloween stuff seems to have been
> taken out by one of my cats. [Long uninteresting story]
> Anyway, I pulled out my old Mackie CR 1604 vlz to fill in.
> Seems that board suffers from that ribbon cable oxidation
> problem that I seem to recall was common to them.
>
> Two questions:
> [1] Can I still get replacement ribbon cables for that board?
> ( ...and if so , where? )
>
> [2] I'm thinking about getting a Mackie ProFX16v2 to fill in
> for the dead desk and the sick CR 1604...
>
> Has Mackie solved the ribbon cable problem in the new board?
> ~~
> Note: I'm mostly retired from sound stuff, and just do simple
> hobby level holiday stuff.
>



If the problem is tarnishing of header plugs/sockets, a squirt of Caig
Deoxit and a few in-out insertions should fix it.

geoff
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Old November 3rd 18, 10:39 AM posted to rec.audio.pro
Mike Rivers[_2_]
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Default Old Mackie CR 1604 vlz .... ribbon cable problems?

On 11/2/2018 11:16 PM, Ron C wrote:
> Seems that board suffers from that ribbon cable oxidation
> problem that I seem to recall was common to them.


Mackie did have a ribbon cable problem at one time and they were sending
out replacement cables, but I don't believe the problem was with the
smaller mixers, only on the larger SR series and the d8b digital
console. Still, connectors can get cruddy with age and non-use, but they
usually respond to a shot of contact cleaner and a little exercise
(disconnect and re-connect the connection a few times). Don't forget
that ribbon cables have connectors on both ends. One end is usually easy
to get to, the other end sometimes is buried.

> Can I still get replacement ribbon cables for that board?


Not from Mackie, but the connectors and cable are standard parts, so it
would be possible to have new ones made if you really wanted to rescue
the console. But ribbon cables aren't the only thing that can go wrong.

> Has Mackie solved the ribbon cable problem in the new board?


The Mackie of today is very different from the Mackie that built your
1604 VLZ. The new mixers are completely made in China, so if there's a
chronic problem (and I haven't heard of one, but then I don't keep close
tabs on them) it's surely not the same problem that they had 20 years ago.


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Old November 3rd 18, 11:19 AM posted to rec.audio.pro
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Default Old Mackie CR 1604 vlz .... ribbon cable problems?

Mike Rivers wrote:

>
>
> Mackie did have a ribbon cable problem at one time and they were sending
> out replacement cables, but I don't believe the problem was with the
> smaller mixers, only on the larger SR series and the d8b digital
> console.


** I saw a few CR1604s that were affected by the bad ribbon cable issue.

A new set of cables was the only reliable cure - one could use spray cleaner and reseat the plugs ( using bench vise) but that never proved permanent.



..... Phil
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Old November 3rd 18, 12:15 PM posted to rec.audio.pro
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Phil Allison > wrote:
>Mike Rivers wrote:
>
>> Mackie did have a ribbon cable problem at one time and they were sending
>> out replacement cables, but I don't believe the problem was with the
>> smaller mixers, only on the larger SR series and the d8b digital
>> console.

>
>** I saw a few CR1604s that were affected by the bad ribbon cable issue.
>
>A new set of cables was the only reliable cure - one could use spray cleaner and reseat the plugs ( using bench vise) but that never proved permanent.


The problem is that the headers were made by one manufacturer and the cable
sockets were made by another and the profiles on the two weren't quite the
same, so the contact surface area was minimal.

But after all this time I don't remember who made each. If it were me, I
would just buy AMP sockets and crimp them on the existing cable.
--scott

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Old November 4th 18, 07:52 PM posted to rec.audio.pro
Ron C[_2_]
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Default Old Mackie CR 1604 vlz .... ribbon cable problems?

On 11/3/2018 7:15 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Phil Allison > wrote:
>> Mike Rivers wrote:
>>
>>> Mackie did have a ribbon cable problem at one time and they were sending
>>> out replacement cables, but I don't believe the problem was with the
>>> smaller mixers, only on the larger SR series and the d8b digital
>>> console.

>>
>> ** I saw a few CR1604s that were affected by the bad ribbon cable issue.
>>
>> A new set of cables was the only reliable cure - one could use spray cleaner and reseat the plugs ( using bench vise) but that never proved permanent.

>
> The problem is that the headers were made by one manufacturer and the cable
> sockets were made by another and the profiles on the two weren't quite the
> same, so the contact surface area was minimal.
>
> But after all this time I don't remember who made each. If it were me, I
> would just buy AMP sockets and crimp them on the existing cable.
> --scott
>

Thanks Scott, that sounds like something worth trying.
I got a lot of years out of the unit, so believe I've gotten my
money's worth .. but not ready to toss it in the trash yet.

Looks like I'll probably get the ProFX16v2 to fill in.
~~
Enough for now.
~~
Thanks to all the folks in the thread for your input.

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Old November 11th 18, 04:00 AM posted to rec.audio.pro
Ron C[_2_]
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Default Old Mackie CR 1604 vlz .... ribbon cable problems?

On 11/3/2018 5:39 AM, Mike Rivers wrote:
> On 11/2/2018 11:16 PM, Ron C wrote:
>> Seems that board suffers from that ribbon cable oxidation
>> problem that I seem to recall was common to them.

>
> Mackie did have a ribbon cable problem at one time and they were sending
> out replacement cables, but I don't believe the problem was with the
> smaller mixers, only on the larger SR series and the d8b digital
> console. Still, connectors can get cruddy with age and non-use, but they
> usually respond to a shot of contact cleaner and a little exercise
> (disconnect and re-connect the connection a few times). Don't forget
> that ribbon cables have connectors on both ends. One end is usually easy
> to get to, the other end sometimes is buried.
>
>> Can I still get replacement ribbon cables for that board?

>
> Not from Mackie, but the connectors and cable are standard parts, so it
> would be possible to have new ones made if you really wanted to rescue
> the console. But ribbon cables aren't the only thing that can go wrong.
>
>> Has Mackie solved the ribbon cable problem in the new board?

>
> The Mackie of today is very different from the Mackie that built your
> 1604 VLZ. The new mixers are completely made in China, so if there's a
> chronic problem (and I haven't heard of one, but then I don't keep close
> tabs on them) it's surely not the same problem that they had 20 years ago.
>
>

I picked up a ProFX8v2 .. wow, this thing is a toy at best. When you said:
"the Mackie of today is very different from the Mackie that built your
1604 VLZ" I had no idea they had slipped this much.
Seems all of their "Pro" series is junk but they have a " ...VLZ4" series
that may not be junk.
I may skip Mackie and go with a Soundcraft LX7ii 16 as a replacement
for my old CR 1604.
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Later...
Ron Capik
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Old November 11th 18, 05:11 AM posted to rec.audio.pro
Mike Rivers[_2_]
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On 11/10/2018 10:00 PM, Ron C wrote:
> I picked up a ProFX8v2 .. wow, this thing is a toy at best. When you said:
> "the Mackie of today is very different from the Mackie that built your
> 1604 VLZ" I had no idea they had slipped this much.


The ProFX series is the new version of the CFX series, which dates back
to the time when I was working for Mackie. It was the low priced "do
everything" mixer for the small band that just needed a mixer. It was
functional but not up to the audio or technical quality of the VLZ Pro
series of the time. But there were always customers for an inexpensive
mixer with built-in effects, so they continued that design.

A VLZ4 is probably still OK. There's no good reason for them to monkey
much with a decent design. Half a dozen or so years ago, Mackie started
using some custom designed ICs rather than standard parts, and came
along after that, so the VLZ4 might use them. It's probably not a bad
thing other than that you don't really know what's under the hood.

I don't know anything about the current Soundcraft line, but as far as I
know, they've maintained a decent reputation, and the LX7 looks like a
decent design.


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Old November 11th 18, 08:40 AM posted to rec.audio.pro
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Default Old Mackie CR 1604 vlz .... ribbon cable problems?

On 11/11/2018 4:00 PM, Ron C wrote:

>>
>>

> I picked up a ProFX8v2 .. wow, this thing is a toy at best. When you said:
> "the Mackie of today is very different from the Mackie that built your
> 1604 VLZ" I had no idea they had slipped this much.
> Seems all of their "Pro" series is junk but they have a " ...VLZ4" series
> that may not be junk.
> I may skip Mackie and go with a Soundcraft LX7ii 16 as a replacement
> for my old CR 1604.


I have an Allen & Heath ZED something-or-other that is very well built.

geoff
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Old November 11th 18, 09:33 AM posted to rec.audio.pro
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Default Old Mackie CR 1604 vlz .... ribbon cable problems?

On 11/11/2018 12:40 AM, geoff wrote:
> On 11/11/2018 4:00 PM, Ron C wrote:
>
>>>
>>>

>> I picked up a ProFX8v2 .. wow, this thing is a toy at best. When you
>> said:
>> "the Mackie of today is very different from the Mackie that built your
>> 1604 VLZ" I had no idea they had slipped this much.
>> Seems all of their "Pro" series is junk but they have a " ...VLZ4" series
>> that may not be junk.
>> I may skip Mackie and go with a Soundcraft LX7ii 16 as a replacement
>> for my old CR 1604.

>
> I have an Allen & Heath ZED something-or-other that is very well built.
>
> geoff


Still getting the hang of this new-fangled newsgroup reader thingy. I
think I may have private emailed one or two of you while making some
mistakes...sorry. Let's see if this one gets posted in the right place..

I haven't even looked at Rec.Audio.Pro in over a decade..but trying to
get back in the habit....even though it's not what it used to be. I
used to be involved way back when we did our first RAP CD compilation.

If I had a small gig like what you're discussing (being just a hobbyist
these days)... I don't think I'd take that kind of gear anymore. Too
much weight, and oh-so-many things to go wrong. Cables/connectors
getting corroded just sitting around, etc.

I'd grab a USB audio interface with 8 mic-inputs (like a Presonus
AudioBox or a Focusrite Scarlet) and a laptop and go do the gig with the
included software mixer. These days, the first generation interfaces
like those are nearly give-aways. Either you already have one sitting
in a closet or know someone who does.

Granted, you still have to haul amps and speakers, but basic software
plugins would handle the mixing console, compressors on every channel,
EQs, effects, monitor mixes, etc...

I know a few guys in town that do the small gigs this way, and they love
it. Plus, so many of them have the ability to mix on their ipads or
phones, it's all changed.

 




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