[Kompu Kid]

Hello All:

I have been scouring the Internet for the past few weeks to determine
what brand to use to archive some of my music that I transferred from
my LP's.

Most of the information that I found are several months old. I want
to summarize what I've found so far and ask others opinions as to if
anything has changed.

Here they a

* Taiyo Yuden for inexpensive disks.

* Some TDK, and Verbatim DVDs are made using Taiyo Yuden media.

* The TDK DVDs sold in Cosco in bulk are not made with Taiyo Yuden
media.

* Rima DVDs are also made with Taiyo Yuden media.

* MAN-A gold is the best and has the longest shelf life.

* DVD+R 's better than DVD-R in terms of error correction, etc.

Comments appreciated!

Deguza

[ded]

"Kompu Kid" wrote in message
...
Hello All:

I have been scouring the Internet for the past few weeks to determine
what brand to use to archive some of my music that I transferred from
my LP's.

Most of the information that I found are several months old. I want
to summarize what I've found so far and ask others opinions as to if
anything has changed.

Here they a

* Taiyo Yuden for inexpensive disks.

I've never heard of them


* Some TDK, and Verbatim DVDs are made using Taiyo Yuden media.

Are they?


* The TDK DVDs sold in Cosco in bulk are not made with Taiyo Yuden
media.


Shocking!

* Rima DVDs are also made with Taiyo Yuden media.

sigh...


* MAN-A gold is the best and has the longest shelf life.

Who told you that?


* DVD+R 's better than DVD-R in terms of error correction, etc.

Myth.



Comments appreciated!


The various discs are manufactured by many and far apart.
The only issues are of compatibility, the hardware manufacturers
release firmware updates to increase a burners compatibility
with the ever expanding range of blank media.
The only time an incompatibility cannot be altered is if you have
a burner that is either "DVD+R" or "DVD-R", but all burners will
burn both these days. If a burner is one type only it cannot be changed.
If you're having a problem with a specific brand of discs then
visit the support link of the burners OEM, download the latest
firmware update for your burner.

[Richard Crowley]

"ded" wrote ...
"Kompu Kid" wrote ...
Taiyo Yuden for inexpensive disks.

I've never heard of them

Taiyo-Yuden are probably the best manufacturers of
optical discs on our particular planet.

* Some TDK, and Verbatim DVDs are made using
Taiyo Yuden media.

Are they?

You can see an example of which manufactureres OEM for
which labels on this page. Of course, it changes all the time,
so this is a "snapshot" in time...
http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm

* The TDK DVDs sold in Cosco in bulk are not made
with Taiyo Yuden media.

Perhaps not today, but TDK has OEMed discs from T-Y
in the past and nothing is stopping them from doing it in
the future. That is one reason to avoid "label-only" vendors
of discs. You never really know what you are getting from
month to month. That is why I use Taiyo-Yuden exclusively.
They make their own product, and they are consistently in
the highest echelon of quality.

* Rima DVDs are also made with Taiyo Yuden media.

Rima appears to *sell* Taiyo-Yuden beanded media.

The various discs are manufactured by many and far apart.
The only issues are of compatibility,

The issues of reliability and quality appear to be far bigger
than "compatibility" IMHO.

the hardware manufacturers
release firmware updates to increase a burners compatibility
with the ever expanding range of blank media.
The only time an incompatibility cannot be altered is if you have
a burner that is either "DVD+R" or "DVD-R", but all burners will
burn both these days. If a burner is one type only it cannot be
changed.

OTOH, new drives are so cheap, there's no reason to suffer
with some old clunker.

If you're having a problem with a specific brand of discs then
visit the support link of the burners OEM, download the latest
firmware update for your burner.

Or switch to a brand of discs known for consistent reliability.
I use T-Y exclusively and I can't remember the last time
I had any problem with discs I've distributed.

[Geoff]

Richard Crowley wrote:
"ded" wrote ...
"Kompu Kid" wrote ...
Taiyo Yuden for inexpensive disks.

I've never heard of them

Taiyo-Yuden are probably the best manufacturers of
optical discs on our particular planet.

* Some TDK, and Verbatim DVDs are made using
Taiyo Yuden media.

Are they?

You can see an example of which manufactureres OEM for
which labels on this page. Of course, it changes all the time,
so this is a "snapshot" in time...
http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm

I think the info on this page is totally ****ed up.


geoff

[Richard Crowley]

"Geoff" wrote ...
Richard Crowley wrote:
You can see an example of which manufactureres OEM for
which labels on this page. Of course, it changes all the time,
so this is a "snapshot" in time...
http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm

I think the info on this page is totally ****ed up.

Thank you for your substantive and valuable contribution.

[Geoff]

Richard Crowley wrote:
"Geoff" wrote ...
Richard Crowley wrote:
You can see an example of which manufactureres OEM for
which labels on this page. Of course, it changes all the time,
so this is a "snapshot" in time...
http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm

I think the info on this page is totally ****ed up.

Thank you for your substantive and valuable contribution.

If you want specifics, some of the media they list as 4th grade junk, I have
been using extremely successfully for years as my primary duplication stock.

They list SKC with a less than 50% success rate. I have never had a failed
burn due to media, and have had no complaints from customers, CD or DVD, as
to deterioration over time.

They als seem to think that some 'brand names' actually manufacture media
for the actual manufacturers !

I called that ****ed up. Maybe they have a stuffed burner ?

geoff

[Geoff]

The Last Mimsy wrote:
On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:23:21 +1300, "Geoff"
wrote:

I think the info on this page is totally ****ed up.


Yet you saw fit to re-post the link. D'oh!

???

geoff

[Stan Brown]

Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:30:37 -0000 from ded :

"Kompu Kid" wrote in message
...
* Taiyo Yuden for inexpensive disks.

I've never heard of them

That really calls into question *anything* you might say on media and
related subjects.

Taiyo Yuden have been well known for years, in the newsgroups and on
the Web, as providing the best quality, and in fact just about the
only consistently reliable quality.

If you've "never heard of them" ....

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
DVD FAQ: http://dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html
other FAQs: http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/faqget.htm

[Daniel Cohen]

Stan Brown wrote:

Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:30:37 -0000 from ded :

"Kompu Kid" wrote in message
...
* Taiyo Yuden for inexpensive disks.

I've never heard of them

That really calls into question *anything* you might say on media and
related subjects.

Taiyo Yuden have been well known for years, in the newsgroups and on
the Web, as providing the best quality, and in fact just about the
only consistently reliable quality.

If you've "never heard of them" ....

I wonder if there is a UK/US difference here.

I have never come across Taiyo-Yuden disks at the various UK sites I
have looked at for disks.

I have come across (and they are what I buy) other brands, such as
Verbatim, who use TY dyes.
--
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Send e-mail to the Reply-To address;
mail to the From address is never read

[Geoff]

Daniel Cohen wrote:


I wonder if there is a UK/US difference here.

I have never come across Taiyo-Yuden disks at the various UK sites I
have looked at for disks.

Looks for "That's CD-R" brand in consumer quantities, or Taiyo Yuden is
spindle quantities.

Not a US/UK thing, but TY are often hard to find because other brands are
half the price and importers don't bother importing for a restricted market
niche..

geoff

[Brett Kline]

Daniel Cohen wrote:


I have never come across Taiyo-Yuden disks at the various UK sites I
have looked at for disks.

I have come across (and they are what I buy) other brands, such as
Verbatim, who use TY dyes.

http://www.dvdshoponline.co.uk/Taiyo-Yuden.html
http://www.dvdshoponline.co.uk/Thats.html

[Daniel Cohen]

Brett Kline wrote:

Daniel Cohen wrote:


I have never come across Taiyo-Yuden disks at the various UK sites I
have looked at for disks.

I have come across (and they are what I buy) other brands, such as
Verbatim, who use TY dyes.

http://www.dvdshoponline.co.uk/Taiyo-Yuden.html
http://www.dvdshoponline.co.uk/Thats.html

Thanks
--
http://www.decohen.com
Send e-mail to the Reply-To address;
mail to the From address is never read

[Peter Larsen[_2_]]

Stan Brown wrote:

Taiyo Yuden have been well known for years, in the newsgroups and on
the Web, as providing the best quality, and in fact just about the
only consistently reliable quality.

I got a restoration task on such a disk (data format) and added a new
session with the restored audio. Then as a cure of boredom I made the C1/C2
error test with plextools .... lowest error count I have ever seen - lower
than Kodak Gold - and it had two sessions on it burned with different
burners.

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[Trevor Wilson[_2_]]

"Kompu Kid" wrote in message
...
Hello All:

I have been scouring the Internet for the past few weeks to determine
what brand to use to archive some of my music that I transferred from
my LP's.

Most of the information that I found are several months old. I want
to summarize what I've found so far and ask others opinions as to if
anything has changed.

Here they a

* Taiyo Yuden for inexpensive disks.

* Some TDK, and Verbatim DVDs are made using Taiyo Yuden media.

* The TDK DVDs sold in Cosco in bulk are not made with Taiyo Yuden
media.

* Rima DVDs are also made with Taiyo Yuden media.

* MAN-A gold is the best and has the longest shelf life.

* DVD+R 's better than DVD-R in terms of error correction, etc.

Comments appreciated!

**The best are DVD-RAM disks. Any brand.

Trevor Wilson

[Richard Crowley]

"Trevor Wilson" wrote ...
**The best are DVD-RAM disks. Any brand.

Please explain how you arrived at those conclusions.
Both the "DVD-RAM is best" part, and the "any brand"
part. Both statements seem very suspicious to me.

[ded]

"Richard Crowley" wrote in message
...
"Trevor Wilson" wrote ...
**The best are DVD-RAM disks. Any brand.

Please explain how you arrived at those conclusions.
Both the "DVD-RAM is best" part, and the "any brand"
part. Both statements seem very suspicious to me.

I may well be wrong, but the thread seems to me, to have
evolved, or maybe intended, to plug a particular brand of discs?
The thread has a "distributor" of said brand now posting!
I'll get my coat and move onto another thread.....

[Trevor Wilson[_2_]]

"Richard Crowley" wrote in message
...
"Trevor Wilson" wrote ...
**The best are DVD-RAM disks. Any brand.

Please explain how you arrived at those conclusions.
Both the "DVD-RAM is best" part, and the "any brand"
part. Both statements seem very suspicious to me.

**Why? DVD-RAM disks are all manufactured to the same standards. The theory
behind the operation of the disks allows for very robust error correction
systems. DVD-RAM disks operate more like hard drives. They can be re-written
many thousands of times (FWIW).

A simple explanation is available he

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-RAM

Trevor Wilson

[Richard Crowley]

"Trevor Wilson" wrote ...
"Richard Crowley" wrote ...
"Trevor Wilson" wrote ...
**The best are DVD-RAM disks. Any brand.

Please explain how you arrived at those conclusions.
Both the "DVD-RAM is best" part, and the "any brand"
part. Both statements seem very suspicious to me.

**Why? DVD-RAM disks are all manufactured to the same standards.

You must be kidding. All optical discs are theoretically "manufactured
to the same standards". Yet there are certain brands that are practically
guaranteed coasters, while other brands are notable for extremely
low failure rates. All "manufactured to the same standards."

The theory behind the operation of the disks allows for very robust error
correction systems. DVD-RAM disks operate more like hard drives....

It was practically an orphan format from the moment of conception.
DVD-data format uses similar "robust error correction systems".

[[email protected]]

On Dec 28, 1:49 am, Kompu Kid wrote:
Hello All:

I have been scouring the Internet for the past few weeks to determine
what brand to use to archive some of my music that I transferred from
my LP's.
....

Comments appreciated!

Deguza

do not use any optical media for archiving!!!
use hard drives, then migrate the files when and as needed!!!

[Randy Yates]

Kompu Kid writes:

Hello All:

I have been scouring the Internet for the past few weeks to determine
what brand to use to archive some of my music that I transferred from
my LP's.

Most of the information that I found are several months old. I want
to summarize what I've found so far and ask others opinions as to if
anything has changed.

Here they a

* Taiyo Yuden for inexpensive disks.

* Some TDK, and Verbatim DVDs are made using Taiyo Yuden media.

* The TDK DVDs sold in Cosco in bulk are not made with Taiyo Yuden
media.

* Rima DVDs are also made with Taiyo Yuden media.

* MAN-A gold is the best and has the longest shelf life.

* DVD+R 's better than DVD-R in terms of error correction, etc.

Comments appreciated!

Deguza

For $60 you can buy a 320 GB hard drive. Using a lossless encoding
algorithm like FLAC, you can get well over 1000 CDs on it. Buy two,
using one as a backup. Then when one crashes, buy a new drive. Rinse,
lather, repeat.
--
% Randy Yates % "Midnight, on the water...
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % I saw... the ocean's daughter."
%%% 919-577-9882 % 'Can't Get It Out Of My Head'
%%%% % *El Dorado*, Electric Light Orchestra
http://www.digitalsignallabs.com

[Randy Yates]

Randy Yates writes:
[...]
For $60 you can buy a 320 GB hard drive. Using a lossless encoding
algorithm like FLAC, you can get well over 1000 CDs on it. Buy two,
using one as a backup. Then when one crashes, buy a new drive. Rinse,
lather, repeat.

And if you're really paranoid, buy a third USB (external) drive and
store it off-site, so that a catastrophic event like fire will not
wipe you out.
--
% Randy Yates % "She's sweet on Wagner-I think she'd die for Beethoven.
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % She love the way Puccini lays down a tune, and
%%% 919-577-9882 % Verdi's always creepin' from her room."
%%%% % "Rockaria", *A New World Record*, ELO
http://www.digitalsignallabs.com