| Home |
| Search |
| Today's Posts |
|
|
|
#1
Posted to rec.audio.pro
|
|||
|
|||
Is Centered Vocals Important?
Trying some new(er) features in a more recent version of Goldwave software. This song has some tape hiss noise, since a lot of multi-tracks went up in smoke for Atlantic Records. However, the song had decent stereo, but the center (where vocals are) lacked amplitude. It is best to have Centered vocals, since that provides maximum audio, being equally shared in both stereo amplifiers.
Anyway, I attempted to increase the center audio without destroying the stereo sound. See what you think of The Bar-Kays - Soul Finger, 1967. Actually, this is a recent paid download, but the waveform looked like a late '80's, early '90's CD. In other words, less than impressive!... http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abps...soulfinger.mp3 Bill Inglot (Rhino Records) claims his wonderful sound quality was attributed to correct tape-head azimuth, but I'm guessing he was one who dared a "hot" mix via Sony PCM machines. Jack |
|
#2
Posted to rec.audio.pro
|
|||
|
|||
|
Is Centered Vocals Important?
"JackA" wrote in message ... Trying some new(er) features in a more recent version of Goldwave software. This song has some tape hiss noise, since a lot of multi-tracks went up in smoke for Atlantic Records. However, the song had decent stereo, but the center (where vocals are) lacked amplitude. It is best to have Centered vocals, since that provides maximum audio, being equally shared in both stereo amplifiers. Anyway, I attempted to increase the center audio without destroying the stereo sound. See what you think of The Bar-Kays - Soul Finger, 1967. Actually, this is a recent paid download, but the waveform looked like a late '80's, early '90's CD. In other words, less than impressive!... http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abps...soulfinger.mp3 Bill Inglot (Rhino Records) claims his wonderful sound quality was attributed to correct tape-head azimuth, but I'm guessing he was one who dared a "hot" mix via Sony PCM machines. Jack No, the EQ is still shouting in my ears "HEAR THIS" You just don't get this, do you. Gareth. |
|
#3
Posted to rec.audio.pro
|
|||
|
|||
|
Is Centered Vocals Important?
On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 7:05:39 PM UTC-4, gareth magennis wrote:
"JackA" wrote in message ... Trying some new(er) features in a more recent version of Goldwave software. This song has some tape hiss noise, since a lot of multi-tracks went up in smoke for Atlantic Records. However, the song had decent stereo, but the center (where vocals are) lacked amplitude. It is best to have Centered vocals, since that provides maximum audio, being equally shared in both stereo amplifiers. Anyway, I attempted to increase the center audio without destroying the stereo sound. See what you think of The Bar-Kays - Soul Finger, 1967. Actually, this is a recent paid download, but the waveform looked like a late '80's, early '90's CD. In other words, less than impressive!... http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abps...soulfinger.mp3 Bill Inglot (Rhino Records) claims his wonderful sound quality was attributed to correct tape-head azimuth, but I'm guessing he was one who dared a "hot" mix via Sony PCM machines. Jack No, the EQ is still shouting in my ears "HEAR THIS" You just don't get this, do you. Please clarify!! Thanks. Jack Gareth. |
|
#4
Posted to rec.audio.pro
|
|||
|
|||
|
Is Centered Vocals Important?
On 18/03/2016 00:27, JackA wrote:
On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 7:05:39 PM UTC-4, gareth magennis wrote: No, the EQ is still shouting in my ears "HEAR THIS" You just don't get this, do you. Please clarify!! He is referring to the pain fully massive boost you put on all your mixing attempts at about 3kHZ, but you obviously can't hear, either because you have a hearing defect or your monitoring sucks. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
|
#5
Posted to rec.audio.pro
|
|||
|
|||
|
Is Centered Vocals Important?
On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 3:56:51 AM UTC-4, John Williamson wrote:
On 18/03/2016 00:27, JackA wrote: On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 7:05:39 PM UTC-4, gareth magennis wrote: No, the EQ is still shouting in my ears "HEAR THIS" You just don't get this, do you. Please clarify!! He is referring to the pain fully massive boost you put on all your mixing attempts at about 3kHZ, but you obviously can't hear, either because you have a hearing defect or your monitoring sucks. -- Tciao for Now! John. From the REAL world of Audio: "I haven't heard "Soul Finger" in y e a r s. Amazingly simple left-right-center mix with astonishingly good fidelity. I don't have anything on hand to compare it to, but this really sounds fine". Thank you anyway, John!! Jack |
|
#6
Posted to rec.audio.pro
|
|||
|
|||
|
Is Centered Vocals Important?
On 17/03/2016 23:05, Gareth Magennis wrote:
"JackA" wrote in message Bill Inglot (Rhino Records) claims his wonderful sound quality was attributed to correct tape-head azimuth, but I'm guessing he was one who dared a "hot" mix via Sony PCM machines. No, the EQ is still shouting in my ears "HEAR THIS" You just don't get this, do you. He never will, he seems to have a 3kHz dip in either his monitoring or his hearing. Is he still boasting about his $25 Philips headphones, which have the best sound in the word? -- Tciao for Now! John. |
|
#7
Posted to rec.audio.pro
|
|||
|
|||
|
Is Centered Vocals Important?
"John Williamson" wrote in message ... On 17/03/2016 23:05, Gareth Magennis wrote: "JackA" wrote in message Bill Inglot (Rhino Records) claims his wonderful sound quality was attributed to correct tape-head azimuth, but I'm guessing he was one who dared a "hot" mix via Sony PCM machines. No, the EQ is still shouting in my ears "HEAR THIS" You just don't get this, do you. He never will, he seems to have a 3kHz dip in either his monitoring or his hearing. Is he still boasting about his $25 Philips headphones, which have the best sound in the word? -- Tciao for Now! John. I have suggested this before, but simply A/B'ing his mix against a decent commercial recording should be sufficient to enable him not to be doing what he is doing. But I suspect he thinks most commercial recordings sound dull. Gareth. |
|
#8
Posted to rec.audio.pro
|
|||
|
|||
|
Is Centered Vocals Important?
On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 3:44:27 PM UTC-4, gareth magennis wrote:
"John Williamson" wrote in message ... On 17/03/2016 23:05, Gareth Magennis wrote: "JackA" wrote in message Bill Inglot (Rhino Records) claims his wonderful sound quality was attributed to correct tape-head azimuth, but I'm guessing he was one who dared a "hot" mix via Sony PCM machines. No, the EQ is still shouting in my ears "HEAR THIS" You just don't get this, do you. He never will, he seems to have a 3kHz dip in either his monitoring or his hearing. Is he still boasting about his $25 Philips headphones, which have the best sound in the word? -- Tciao for Now! John. I have suggested this before, but simply A/B'ing his mix against a decent commercial recording should be sufficient to enable him not to be doing what he is doing. But I suspect he thinks most commercial recordings sound dull. Gareth. I'd be GLAD to send you the original and then you (all combined) could impress me! Jack |
|
#9
Posted to rec.audio.pro
|
|||
|
|||
|
Is Centered Vocals Important?
On 18/03/2016 20:19, JackA wrote:
I'd be GLAD to send you the original and then you (all combined) could impress me! The Youtube video has better sound balance than your attempt, and it's in mono. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
|
#10
Posted to rec.audio.pro
|
|||
|
|||
|
Is Centered Vocals Important?
"JackA" wrote in message ... On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 3:44:27 PM UTC-4, gareth magennis wrote: "John Williamson" wrote in message ... On 17/03/2016 23:05, Gareth Magennis wrote: "JackA" wrote in message Bill Inglot (Rhino Records) claims his wonderful sound quality was attributed to correct tape-head azimuth, but I'm guessing he was one who dared a "hot" mix via Sony PCM machines. No, the EQ is still shouting in my ears "HEAR THIS" You just don't get this, do you. He never will, he seems to have a 3kHz dip in either his monitoring or his hearing. Is he still boasting about his $25 Philips headphones, which have the best sound in the word? -- Tciao for Now! John. I have suggested this before, but simply A/B'ing his mix against a decent commercial recording should be sufficient to enable him not to be doing what he is doing. But I suspect he thinks most commercial recordings sound dull. Gareth. I'd be GLAD to send you the original and then you (all combined) could impress me! Jack You are avoiding the issue, Jack. Do you think your mixes have the same spectral distribution that most successful commercial mixes have? Gareth. |
|
#11
Posted to rec.audio.pro
|
|||
|
|||
|
Is Centered Vocals Important?
On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 3:44:27 PM UTC-4, gareth magennis wrote:
"John Williamson" wrote in message .... On 17/03/2016 23:05, Gareth Magennis wrote: "JackA" wrote in message Bill Inglot (Rhino Records) claims his wonderful sound quality was attributed to correct tape-head azimuth, but I'm guessing he was one who dared a "hot" mix via Sony PCM machines. No, the EQ is still shouting in my ears "HEAR THIS" You just don't get this, do you. He never will, he seems to have a 3kHz dip in either his monitoring or his hearing. Is he still boasting about his $25 Philips headphones, which have the best sound in the word? -- Tciao for Now! John. I have suggested this before, but simply A/B'ing his mix against a decent commercial recording should be sufficient to enable him not to be doing what he is doing. But I suspect he thinks most commercial recordings sound dull. Let me teach you people something. Early 90's, EMI introduced Legendary Masters series CD of particular artists. I know the series well enough to know what I was about to [pay] download would need audio work. Guess what, it didn't, someone else did the audio work [I have the CD, just buried away]. So, it's not just I who thinks recordings on CD sounded "dull". Jack Gareth. |
|
#12
Posted to rec.audio.pro
|
|||
|
|||
|
Is Centered Vocals Important?
"JackA" wrote in message ... On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 3:44:27 PM UTC-4, gareth magennis wrote: "John Williamson" wrote in message ... On 17/03/2016 23:05, Gareth Magennis wrote: "JackA" wrote in message Bill Inglot (Rhino Records) claims his wonderful sound quality was attributed to correct tape-head azimuth, but I'm guessing he was one who dared a "hot" mix via Sony PCM machines. No, the EQ is still shouting in my ears "HEAR THIS" You just don't get this, do you. He never will, he seems to have a 3kHz dip in either his monitoring or his hearing. Is he still boasting about his $25 Philips headphones, which have the best sound in the word? -- Tciao for Now! John. I have suggested this before, but simply A/B'ing his mix against a decent commercial recording should be sufficient to enable him not to be doing what he is doing. But I suspect he thinks most commercial recordings sound dull. Let me teach you people something. Early 90's, EMI introduced Legendary Masters series CD of particular artists. I know the series well enough to know what I was about to [pay] download would need audio work. Guess what, it didn't, someone else did the audio work [I have the CD, just buried away]. So, it's not just I who thinks recordings on CD sounded "dull". Jack Well Hooray, you might just have found someone with the same affliction you have. Result. Gareth. |
|
#13
Posted to rec.audio.pro
|
|||
|
|||
|
Is Centered Vocals Important?
"JackA" wrote in message ... On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 3:44:27 PM UTC-4, gareth magennis wrote: "John Williamson" wrote in message ... On 17/03/2016 23:05, Gareth Magennis wrote: "JackA" wrote in message Bill Inglot (Rhino Records) claims his wonderful sound quality was attributed to correct tape-head azimuth, but I'm guessing he was one who dared a "hot" mix via Sony PCM machines. No, the EQ is still shouting in my ears "HEAR THIS" You just don't get this, do you. He never will, he seems to have a 3kHz dip in either his monitoring or his hearing. Is he still boasting about his $25 Philips headphones, which have the best sound in the word? -- Tciao for Now! John. I have suggested this before, but simply A/B'ing his mix against a decent commercial recording should be sufficient to enable him not to be doing what he is doing. But I suspect he thinks most commercial recordings sound dull. Let me teach you people something. Early 90's, EMI introduced Legendary Masters series CD of particular artists. I know the series well enough to know what I was about to [pay] download would need audio work. Guess what, it didn't, someone else did the audio work [I have the CD, just buried away]. So, it's not just I who thinks recordings on CD sounded "dull". Jack Let me teach you something, Jack. The human ear/brain system is most sensitive to frequencies around 3KHz. It is completely non linear, it's frequency response also alters hugely according to the SPL of the incoming audio. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fletch...3Munson_curves See that dip around 3K? We don't need that boosted, we hear that better than anything, in fact it is a REALLY ANNOYING part of the spectral frequency. It just sounds "NASTY". I can't put it any better than that, but if you wanted to make a really nasty annoying noise, you would include a lot of frequencies around 3KHz. What you are doing is actually BOOSTING your frequencies around this REALLY NASTY frequency, so all your mixes sound acutely annoying. I suspect this is because you have some auditory impediment that reduces your perception of such frequencies. Or you just can't be bothered to A/B your mixes with commercial ones. On the other hand, it is just as likely you know full well what you are doing, and are simply a Troll, trying to wind us up. Gareth. |
| Reply |
| Thread Tools | |
| Display Modes | |
|
|
Hybrid Mode
