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On May 23, 9:19*pm, Boon wrote:
On May 23, 9:02*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:





On May 23, 3:29*pm, ScottW wrote:


On May 22, 9:32*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:


On May 23, 12:28*am, "Shhhh!!!! I'm Listening to Reason!"


wrote:
On May 22, 11:22*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:


When was the last time your eyes were gouged.
Better yet, when was the FIRST time.
HAve your empty eye sockets lost their virginity yet?


Surely you jest. 2pid merely mocks those that don't do DBTs and
demands that others do them.


As for 2pid, he buys his gear off reviews and sighted listening and
spec sheets and what appeals to him just like the rest of us do.


more specifically, he places great stock in what he subjectively
thinks an "objective" DBT would show, if he were ever to participate
in one.


Why would you bother to "shout down" my true opinions on this
subject?


Exactly what do you think I think a DBT will show for example
if we put one of your buzzing citation 2s up against my preamp?


There are times when your DBT phobia drives you to make some
ridiculously false statements about my position.
That insanity mirrors Arny's.


ScottW


i was nice enough to send you, at my expense, one of my tube preamps
form my collection, across country by parcel post, for you to use on
an
indefinite basis. the last time i used it, it did not
buzz or hum. I think it is rude of you to ridicule me for
the fact that when it got to your house, something
had happened during shipping.


And so it begins...Scott stabbing another friend in the back.


Its you're fault for poorly choosing ingrateful friend's to begin
with. LoL.
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On May 23, 9:43�pm, "Shhhh!!!! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On May 23, 9:19�pm, Boon wrote:





On May 23, 9:02�pm, Clyde Slick wrote:


On May 23, 3:29�pm, ScottW wrote:


On May 22, 9:32�pm, Clyde Slick wrote:


On May 23, 12:28�am, "Shhhh!!!! I'm Listening to Reason!"


wrote:
On May 22, 11:22�pm, Clyde Slick wrote:


When was the last time your eyes were gouged.
Better yet, when was the FIRST time.
HAve your empty eye sockets lost their virginity yet?


Surely you jest. 2pid merely mocks those that don't do DBTs and
demands that others do them.


As for 2pid, he buys his gear off reviews and sighted listening and
spec sheets and what appeals to him just like the rest of us do..


more specifically, he places great stock in what he subjectively
thinks an "objective" DBT would show, if he were ever to participate
in one.


Why would you bother to "shout down" my true opinions on this
subject?


Exactly what do you think I think a DBT will show for example
if we put one of your buzzing citation 2s up against my preamp?


There are times when your DBT phobia drives you to make some
ridiculously false statements about my position.
That insanity mirrors Arny's.


ScottW


i was nice enough to send you, at my expense, one of my tube preamps
form my collection, across country by parcel post, for you to use on
an
indefinite basis. the last time i used it, it did not
buzz or hum. I think it is rude of you to ridicule me for
the fact that when it got to your house, something
had happened during shipping.


And so it begins...Scott stabbing another friend in the back.


Its you're fault for poorly choosing ingrateful friend's to begin
with. LoL.


Well, meeting Art was worth it. 2pid...not so much.

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On May 23, 10:26*pm, Boon wrote:
On May 23, 1:15*pm, ScottW wrote:



On May 22, 9:22*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:


On May 22, 6:34*pm, ScottW wrote:


On May 22, 11:15*am, Clyde Slick wrote:


On May 22, 12:45*pm, Boon wrote:


On May 22, 11:19*am, Bret L wrote:


On May 22, 10:52*am, Boon wrote:


On May 22, 9:47*am, ScottW wrote:


On May 21, 9:20*pm, Boon wrote:


On May 21, 5:20*pm, Bret L wrote:


*It would be less entertaining here, that's for sure.


If you and Scott were less autistic, you guys would still be the
dumbest ones here.


*I wonder if Marc's "special needs" kid knows how he likes to use
false claims of disability as an insult?
Let me apologize for Marc to any autistic persons or parents/relatives
of an autistic person.


Phillips really doesn't know what a crass ass he is.


Once again YOUR disability has let you down. My problem isn't that you
and Bret are autistic. It's that you two fail to admit it, and
perfectly reasonable people get sucked into arguments with you without
being properly informed about your condition. That's very dishonest.


Wow...you ****ed up again, Scott. Amazing.


*Who's really crazy, us or you?


Neither.


*If you really were sane and really believed either or both of us
insane, you'd simply killfile us and move on.


I don't think either of you are insane. I think you are two autistic
people who, like many other autistic people, are attracted to Usenet
because you don't have to admit you're autistic to participate. In
real life, most people can talk to autistic people and figure out
pretty quickly that something's amiss. For instance, I met Scott in
person a few times, and he has this way of pontificating about some
arcane point while looking off into space as if he forgets that other
people are around. he also has a problem with eye contact, which is
common among people with Aspergers. And whenever Art and I would be
making jokes and laughing, Scott would merely sit there, stone-faced.


*That's how sane people deal with insane people on Usenet.


Not really. For instance, Arny was crazy and probably suffered from at
least two serious personality disorders. Some people ignored him, some
people taunted him but I think most "sane" people wanted him to leave
and expressed their desire for him to do that. You see. when there's a
crazy person in the room, some sane people ignore them, and others try
to do something about it. In other words, there is more than one
"sane" response to a crazy person. Your insistence that there's only
one is wrong...and just plain dumb.


*Anyone with sense knows that you don't argue with crazy people. That
makes you crazier than they are. They don't know better, you
supposedly do.


Unless, of course, a crazy person starts to deface, destroy or damage.
Then it's time to step in and take them out.


I like the sound analog and tube audio.
It's great not being shouted down by some asshole for saying that..
good riddance to Arny


*You really felt "shouted down" by Arny on usenet? *I find that odd.


Arny shouted down


*If you think anyone can "shout down" anyone on RAO,
it only tells me you hold the readers of this group in pretty low
regard.


anyone with a differing opinion, trying' to
invalidate such opinions


*such is the nature of most debates on differing opinions.


by demanding DBT's, so he turned the subject of every discussion not a
DBT tirade.


*Which then spun into a decade long string of anti-Arny tirade on
pretty disgusting levels.


*The funny part of your argument is this....Arny won't argue that many
high (relative to SS)
distortion tube based systems aren't audibly different than most SS
systems.
He won't argue that most analog sources and especially vinyl sources
aren't audibly different
than digital sources.....so your premise of liking the sound of tubes
and analog as a personal
preference isn't something Arny would try to refute with DBTs.


So I find your premise that your preference was invalidated with
demands of DBTs at odds with the facts.


When was the last time your eyes were gouged.
Better yet, when was the FIRST time.
HAve your empty eye sockets lost their virginity yet?


I don't feel the need to prove anything to myself
or the need to overcome personal bias with DBTs.
But when some audiophool wants to spout some BS...
I'm not going to object to calls for some evidence either.


Well, the evidence would be the fact that your systems always sound
terrible, and mine didn't. And if there were combinations that didn't
quite work, it was always equipment I had in for review, and not my
actual reference systems.

The Orions probably make your system sound better than ever before,
but the simple truth is that you don't have the equipment to bring out
the best of the Orions. An old Yamaha preamp, a pair of Quad ESLs set
on unstable wooden stools and of course your POS Mitsubishi TT...the
evidence is overwhleming that you are unable to assemble a nice-
sounding system. Of course you hide behind specs and engineering, but
it still lets you down.


Oddly enough, i found it more enjoyable than the
last system i heard at your house, with the SE tube amps.
I found that myopic and constrained, there were missing pieces
to the sound. It was not realistic.
Scott's sytem was very good, not world class, but enjoyable for
hours of listening without fatigue. that was with the quads.

not trying to pick a fight, just stating my audio preference.
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On May 23, 11:28*pm, ScottW wrote:

*You're not addressing the point.


LOL!

Are you ready to prove your turntable claims, dum-dum?
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On May 24, 12:28*am, ScottW wrote:
On May 23, 7:02*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:



On May 23, 3:29*pm, ScottW wrote:


On May 22, 9:32*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:


On May 23, 12:28*am, "Shhhh!!!! I'm Listening to Reason!"


wrote:
On May 22, 11:22*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:


When was the last time your eyes were gouged.
Better yet, when was the FIRST time.
HAve your empty eye sockets lost their virginity yet?


Surely you jest. 2pid merely mocks those that don't do DBTs and
demands that others do them.


As for 2pid, he buys his gear off reviews and sighted listening and
spec sheets and what appeals to him just like the rest of us do.


more specifically, he places great stock in what he subjectively
thinks an "objective" DBT would show, if he were ever to participate
in one.


Why would you bother to "shout down" my true opinions on this
subject?


Exactly what do you think I think a DBT will show for example
if we put one of your buzzing citation 2s up against my preamp?


There are times when your DBT phobia drives you to make some
ridiculously false statements about my position.
That insanity mirrors Arny's.


ScottW


i was nice enough to send you, at my expense, one of my tube preamps
form my collection, across country by parcel post, for you to use on
an
indefinite basis. the last time i used it, it did not
buzz or hum.


*And I was willing to fix it for you at my expense until you insisted
on
approving the parts I bought and wanted to use camera flash
caps. *Ever smell the stench of burning caps?
Very unpleasant. Not something I wanted to risk in my home.
So I returned it at my expense after
wasting a fair amount of time identifying the correct parts
needed to fix it. *But I didn't bitch about that. *I respected
your wishes, I double box packed it up carefully and returned it.

I think it is rude of you to ridicule me for
the fact that when it got to your house, something
had happened during shipping.


*You're not addressing the point. I'm sorry your pre-amp
buzzed and I'm sorry for giving you a little grief about it.
*I'm also sorry you want to rudely make **** up
about my position on DBTs.

ScottW


LOL!!
we all know your position on DBT's!
and i care about what caps and parts go into my amp,
they make a difference hat i can percieve, and my tastes are not your
tastes.


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On May 24, 1:02*am, ScottW wrote:
On May 23, 8:43*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:



On May 23, 10:26*pm, Boon wrote:


On May 23, 1:15*pm, ScottW wrote:


On May 22, 9:22*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:


On May 22, 6:34*pm, ScottW wrote:


On May 22, 11:15*am, Clyde Slick wrote:


On May 22, 12:45*pm, Boon wrote:


On May 22, 11:19*am, Bret L wrote:


On May 22, 10:52*am, Boon wrote:


On May 22, 9:47*am, ScottW wrote:


On May 21, 9:20*pm, Boon wrote:


On May 21, 5:20*pm, Bret L wrote:


*It would be less entertaining here, that's for sure.


If you and Scott were less autistic, you guys would still be the
dumbest ones here.


*I wonder if Marc's "special needs" kid knows how he likes to use
false claims of disability as an insult?
Let me apologize for Marc to any autistic persons or parents/relatives
of an autistic person.


Phillips really doesn't know what a crass ass he is.


Once again YOUR disability has let you down. My problem isn't that you
and Bret are autistic. It's that you two fail to admit it, and
perfectly reasonable people get sucked into arguments with you without
being properly informed about your condition. That's very dishonest.


Wow...you ****ed up again, Scott. Amazing.


*Who's really crazy, us or you?


Neither.


*If you really were sane and really believed either or both of us
insane, you'd simply killfile us and move on.


I don't think either of you are insane. I think you are two autistic
people who, like many other autistic people, are attracted to Usenet
because you don't have to admit you're autistic to participate. In
real life, most people can talk to autistic people and figure out
pretty quickly that something's amiss. For instance, I met Scott in
person a few times, and he has this way of pontificating about some
arcane point while looking off into space as if he forgets that other
people are around. he also has a problem with eye contact, which is
common among people with Aspergers. And whenever Art and I would be
making jokes and laughing, Scott would merely sit there, stone-faced.


*That's how sane people deal with insane people on Usenet.


Not really. For instance, Arny was crazy and probably suffered from at
least two serious personality disorders. Some people ignored him, some
people taunted him but I think most "sane" people wanted him to leave
and expressed their desire for him to do that. You see. when there's a
crazy person in the room, some sane people ignore them, and others try
to do something about it. In other words, there is more than one
"sane" response to a crazy person. Your insistence that there's only
one is wrong...and just plain dumb.


*Anyone with sense knows that you don't argue with crazy people. That
makes you crazier than they are. They don't know better, you
supposedly do.


Unless, of course, a crazy person starts to deface, destroy or damage.
Then it's time to step in and take them out.


I like the sound analog and tube audio.
It's great not being shouted down by some asshole for saying that.
good riddance to Arny


*You really felt "shouted down" by Arny on usenet? *I find that odd.


Arny shouted down


*If you think anyone can "shout down" anyone on RAO,
it only tells me you hold the readers of this group in pretty low
regard.


anyone with a differing opinion, trying' to
invalidate such opinions


*such is the nature of most debates on differing opinions.


by demanding DBT's, so he turned the subject of every discussion not a
DBT tirade.


*Which then spun into a decade long string of anti-Arny tirade on
pretty disgusting levels.


*The funny part of your argument is this....Arny won't argue that many
high (relative to SS)
distortion tube based systems aren't audibly different than most SS
systems.
He won't argue that most analog sources and especially vinyl sources
aren't audibly different
than digital sources.....so your premise of liking the sound of tubes
and analog as a personal
preference isn't something Arny would try to refute with DBTs.


So I find your premise that your preference was invalidated with
demands of DBTs at odds with the facts.


When was the last time your eyes were gouged.
Better yet, when was the FIRST time.
HAve your empty eye sockets lost their virginity yet?


I don't feel the need to prove anything to myself
or the need to overcome personal bias with DBTs.
But when some audiophool wants to spout some BS...
I'm not going to object to calls for some evidence either.


Well, the evidence would be the fact that your systems always sound
terrible, and mine didn't. And if there were combinations that didn't
quite work, it was always equipment I had in for review, and not my
actual reference systems.


The Orions probably make your system sound better than ever before,
but the simple truth is that you don't have the equipment to bring out
the best of the Orions. An old Yamaha preamp, a pair of Quad ESLs set
on unstable wooden stools and of course your POS Mitsubishi TT...the
evidence is overwhleming that you are unable to assemble a nice-
sounding system. Of course you hide behind specs and engineering, but
it still lets you down.


Oddly enough, i found it more enjoyable than the
last system i heard at your house, with the SE tube amps.
I found that myopic and constrained, there were missing pieces
to the sound. It was not realistic.
Scott's sytem was very good, not world class, but enjoyable for
hours of listening without fatigue. that was with the quads.


not trying to pick a fight, just stating my audio preference.


*You'd probably like the Orions.
*They can provide a much more realistic live like presentation
*with the right source.
*Little Feat Kickin it at the Barn really kicks on the Orions.
*Not much "kicks" on the Quads in the sense that they don't
move enough air to make you feel anything.
But I still like vinyl better on the Quads.

ScottW


a cd that sounds great on my system!
I am sure that it would not be so great on quads, they don't rock.
Quads are great for other stuff, but are not good
for everything.
I would like to hear the Orions, but I am not
going to SD, no more family there.
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On May 24, 6:21*am, Clyde Slick wrote:
On May 24, 1:02*am, ScottW wrote:


*Little Feat Kickin it at the Barn really kicks on the Orions.
*Not much "kicks" on the Quads in the sense that they don't
move enough air to make you feel anything.
But I still like vinyl better on the Quads.


a cd that sounds great on my system!
I am sure that it would not be so great on quads, they don't rock.
Quads are great for other stuff, but are not good
for everything.
I would like to hear the Orions, but I am not
going to SD, no more family there.


If you like Little Feat and vinyl, see if you can pick up an MFSL
pressing of "Waiting for Columbus". I see them on eBay frequently for
under $20. It's live and has the Tower of Power horns, and sounds
great to me.
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On May 24, 3:27*pm, "Shhhh!!!! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On May 24, 6:21*am, Clyde Slick wrote:

On May 24, 1:02*am, ScottW wrote:
*Little Feat Kickin it at the Barn really kicks on the Orions.
*Not much "kicks" on the Quads in the sense that they don't
move enough air to make you feel anything.
But I still like vinyl better on the Quads.

a cd that sounds great on my system!
I am sure that it would not be so great on quads, they don't rock.
Quads are great for other stuff, but are not good
for everything.
I would like to hear the Orions, but I am not
going to SD, no more family there.


If you like Little Feat and vinyl, see if you can pick up an MFSL
pressing of "Waiting for Columbus". I see them on eBay frequently for
under $20. It's live and has the Tower of Power horns, and sounds
great to me.


thanks, i already have one
my favorite live album of all time, an excellent recording

other live favorties
JAmes Brown at the Appolo
BB King Cook County Jail
bb kING AT THE regal
Jefferson Airplane - Bless Its Pointed Little Head
The first Hot tuna album
Albert Collins Live album (in Japan?)
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On May 24, 5:11*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:
On May 24, 3:27*pm, "Shhhh!!!! I'm Listening to Reason!"





wrote:
On May 24, 6:21*am, Clyde Slick wrote:


On May 24, 1:02*am, ScottW wrote:
*Little Feat Kickin it at the Barn really kicks on the Orions.
*Not much "kicks" on the Quads in the sense that they don't
move enough air to make you feel anything.
But I still like vinyl better on the Quads.
a cd that sounds great on my system!
I am sure that it would not be so great on quads, they don't rock.
Quads are great for other stuff, but are not good
for everything.
I would like to hear the Orions, but I am not
going to SD, no more family there.


If you like Little Feat and vinyl, see if you can pick up an MFSL
pressing of "Waiting for Columbus". I see them on eBay frequently for
under $20. It's live and has the Tower of Power horns, and sounds
great to me.


thanks, i already have one
my favorite live album of all time, an *excellent recording


Mine too. I'm glad you have it.

other live favorties
JAmes Brown at the Appolo
BB King Cook County Jail
bb kING AT THE regal
Jefferson Airplane - Bless Its Pointed Little Head
The first Hot tuna album
Albert Collins Live album (in Japan?)


I have to confess one of my all-time favorite live LPs is "Johnn
Winter And Live". The recording sucks, the sound is terrible, but it's
Johnney Winter and Rick Derringer and they rock.
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On May 23, 10:43�pm, Clyde Slick wrote:
On May 23, 10:26�pm, Boon wrote:





On May 23, 1:15�pm, ScottW wrote:


On May 22, 9:22�pm, Clyde Slick wrote:


On May 22, 6:34�pm, ScottW wrote:


On May 22, 11:15�am, Clyde Slick wrote:


On May 22, 12:45�pm, Boon wrote:


On May 22, 11:19�am, Bret L wrote:


On May 22, 10:52�am, Boon wrote:


On May 22, 9:47�am, ScottW wrote:


On May 21, 9:20�pm, Boon wrote:


On May 21, 5:20�pm, Bret L wrote:


�It would be less entertaining here, that's for sure.


If you and Scott were less autistic, you guys would still be the
dumbest ones here.


�I wonder if Marc's "special needs" kid knows how he likes to use
false claims of disability as an insult?
Let me apologize for Marc to any autistic persons or parents/relatives
of an autistic person.


Phillips really doesn't know what a crass ass he is.


Once again YOUR disability has let you down. My problem isn't that you
and Bret are autistic. It's that you two fail to admit it, and
perfectly reasonable people get sucked into arguments with you without
being properly informed about your condition. That's very dishonest.


Wow...you ****ed up again, Scott. Amazing.


�Who's really crazy, us or you?


Neither.


�If you really were sane and really believed either or both of us
insane, you'd simply killfile us and move on.


I don't think either of you are insane. I think you are two autistic
people who, like many other autistic people, are attracted to Usenet
because you don't have to admit you're autistic to participate. In
real life, most people can talk to autistic people and figure out
pretty quickly that something's amiss. For instance, I met Scott in
person a few times, and he has this way of pontificating about some
arcane point while looking off into space as if he forgets that other
people are around. he also has a problem with eye contact, which is
common among people with Aspergers. And whenever Art and I would be
making jokes and laughing, Scott would merely sit there, stone-faced.


�That's how sane people deal with insane people on Usenet.


Not really. For instance, Arny was crazy and probably suffered from at
least two serious personality disorders. Some people ignored him, some
people taunted him but I think most "sane" people wanted him to leave
and expressed their desire for him to do that. You see. when there's a
crazy person in the room, some sane people ignore them, and others try
to do something about it. In other words, there is more than one
"sane" response to a crazy person. Your insistence that there's only
one is wrong...and just plain dumb.


�Anyone with sense knows that you don't argue with crazy people. That
makes you crazier than they are. They don't know better, you
supposedly do.


Unless, of course, a crazy person starts to deface, destroy or damage.
Then it's time to step in and take them out.


I like the sound analog and tube audio.
It's great not being shouted down by some asshole for saying that.
good riddance to Arny


�You really felt "shouted down" by Arny on usenet? �I find that odd.


Arny shouted down


�If you think anyone can "shout down" anyone on RAO,
it only tells me you hold the readers of this group in pretty low
regard.


anyone with a differing opinion, trying' to
invalidate such opinions


�such is the nature of most debates on differing opinions.


by demanding DBT's, so he turned the subject of every discussion not a
DBT tirade.


�Which then spun into a decade long string of anti-Arny tirade on
pretty disgusting levels.


�The funny part of your argument is this....Arny won't argue that many
high (relative to SS)
distortion tube based systems aren't audibly different than most SS
systems.
He won't argue that most analog sources and especially vinyl sources
aren't audibly different
than digital sources.....so your premise of liking the sound of tubes
and analog as a personal
preference isn't something Arny would try to refute with DBTs.


So I find your premise that your preference was invalidated with
demands of DBTs at odds with the facts.


When was the last time your eyes were gouged.
Better yet, when was the FIRST time.
HAve your empty eye sockets lost their virginity yet?


I don't feel the need to prove anything to myself
or the need to overcome personal bias with DBTs.
But when some audiophool wants to spout some BS...
I'm not going to object to calls for some evidence either.


Well, the evidence would be the fact that your systems always sound
terrible, and mine didn't. And if there were combinations that didn't
quite work, it was always equipment I had in for review, and not my
actual reference systems.


The Orions probably make your system sound better than ever before,
but the simple truth is that you don't have the equipment to bring out
the best of the Orions. An old Yamaha preamp, a pair of Quad ESLs set
on unstable wooden stools and of course your POS Mitsubishi TT...the
evidence is overwhleming that you are unable to assemble a nice-
sounding system. Of course you hide behind specs and engineering, but
it still lets you down.


Oddly enough, i found it more enjoyable than the
last system i heard at your house, with the SE tube amps.
I found that myopic and constrained, there were missing pieces
to the sound. It was not realistic.
Scott's sytem was very good, not world class, but enjoyable for
hours of listening without fatigue. that was with the quads.

not trying to pick a fight, just stating my audio preference.


That's fine...SETs are not for everyone. I eventually tired of them
and went onto something better and less idiosyncratic. I doubt you
would have found any faults when my system consisted of Harbeth 40.1s,
BAT VK-32SE and VK-55SE amplification and my Michell/SME/Koetsu TT.

I would have to disagree with you on Scott's system. While it did get
better over the years, it still lacked any real energy or sense of
dynamics. It just always sounded dull and two-dimensional. I couldn't
listen to music on it for more than a minute or two before my mind
started to wander and I started wondering about what I was going to do
later, after I left his house.

We've talked about this before, when I asked you what I would think of
your system. While I appreciate Vandersteens, I'm definitely less
charitable toward Music Hall TTs, which I think are overshadowed by
Regas. And I went through my vintage amp phase with a Scott 299B and
decided it didn't produce a stable enough image to satisfy. It was
about the qualifiers: "Wow, this sounds pretty good...for an amp
that's older than me." But I would rather have a new integrated from
someone like LFD, Sugden or Naim than a classic amp from Scott,
Fisher, Eico or even Marantz. So chances are that I would find fault
with your system as well.

That said, I still think Scott's system was subpar from the get-go,and
wasn't any better than mid-fi systems you find in the big home
electronic chains (if any still exist).


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On May 25, 10:31*am, Boon wrote:
On May 23, 10:43 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:



On May 23, 10:26 pm, Boon wrote:


On May 23, 1:15 pm, ScottW wrote:


On May 22, 9:22 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:


On May 22, 6:34 pm, ScottW wrote:


On May 22, 11:15 am, Clyde Slick wrote:


On May 22, 12:45 pm, Boon wrote:


On May 22, 11:19 am, Bret L wrote:


On May 22, 10:52 am, Boon wrote:


On May 22, 9:47 am, ScottW wrote:


On May 21, 9:20 pm, Boon wrote:


On May 21, 5:20 pm, Bret L wrote:


It would be less entertaining here, that's for sure.


If you and Scott were less autistic, you guys would still be the
dumbest ones here.


I wonder if Marc's "special needs" kid knows how he likes to use
false claims of disability as an insult?
Let me apologize for Marc to any autistic persons or parents/relatives
of an autistic person.


Phillips really doesn't know what a crass ass he is.


Once again YOUR disability has let you down. My problem isn't that you
and Bret are autistic. It's that you two fail to admit it, and
perfectly reasonable people get sucked into arguments with you without
being properly informed about your condition. That's very dishonest.


Wow...you ****ed up again, Scott. Amazing.


Who's really crazy, us or you?


Neither.


If you really were sane and really believed either or both of us
insane, you'd simply killfile us and move on.


I don't think either of you are insane. I think you are two autistic
people who, like many other autistic people, are attracted to Usenet
because you don't have to admit you're autistic to participate. In
real life, most people can talk to autistic people and figure out
pretty quickly that something's amiss. For instance, I met Scott in
person a few times, and he has this way of pontificating about some
arcane point while looking off into space as if he forgets that other
people are around. he also has a problem with eye contact, which is
common among people with Aspergers. And whenever Art and I would be
making jokes and laughing, Scott would merely sit there, stone-faced.


That's how sane people deal with insane people on Usenet.


Not really. For instance, Arny was crazy and probably suffered from at
least two serious personality disorders. Some people ignored him, some
people taunted him but I think most "sane" people wanted him to leave
and expressed their desire for him to do that. You see. when there's a
crazy person in the room, some sane people ignore them, and others try
to do something about it. In other words, there is more than one
"sane" response to a crazy person. Your insistence that there's only
one is wrong...and just plain dumb.


Anyone with sense knows that you don't argue with crazy people. That
makes you crazier than they are. They don't know better, you
supposedly do.


Unless, of course, a crazy person starts to deface, destroy or damage.
Then it's time to step in and take them out.


I like the sound analog and tube audio.
It's great not being shouted down by some asshole for saying that.
good riddance to Arny


You really felt "shouted down" by Arny on usenet? I find that odd.


Arny shouted down


If you think anyone can "shout down" anyone on RAO,
it only tells me you hold the readers of this group in pretty low
regard.


anyone with a differing opinion, trying' to
invalidate such opinions


such is the nature of most debates on differing opinions.


by demanding DBT's, so he turned the subject of every discussion not a
DBT tirade.


Which then spun into a decade long string of anti-Arny tirade on
pretty disgusting levels.


The funny part of your argument is this....Arny won't argue that many
high (relative to SS)
distortion tube based systems aren't audibly different than most SS
systems.
He won't argue that most analog sources and especially vinyl sources
aren't audibly different
than digital sources.....so your premise of liking the sound of tubes
and analog as a personal
preference isn't something Arny would try to refute with DBTs.


So I find your premise that your preference was invalidated with
demands of DBTs at odds with the facts.


When was the last time your eyes were gouged.
Better yet, when was the FIRST time.
HAve your empty eye sockets lost their virginity yet?


I don't feel the need to prove anything to myself
or the need to overcome personal bias with DBTs.
But when some audiophool wants to spout some BS...
I'm not going to object to calls for some evidence either.


Well, the evidence would be the fact that your systems always sound
terrible, and mine didn't. And if there were combinations that didn't
quite work, it was always equipment I had in for review, and not my
actual reference systems.


The Orions probably make your system sound better than ever before,
but the simple truth is that you don't have the equipment to bring out
the best of the Orions. An old Yamaha preamp, a pair of Quad ESLs set
on unstable wooden stools and of course your POS Mitsubishi TT...the
evidence is overwhleming that you are unable to assemble a nice-
sounding system. Of course you hide behind specs and engineering, but
it still lets you down.


Oddly enough, i found it more enjoyable than the
last system i heard at your house, with the SE tube amps.
I found that myopic and constrained, there were missing pieces
to the sound. It was not realistic.
Scott's sytem was very good, not world class, but enjoyable for
hours of listening without fatigue. that was with the quads.


not trying to pick a fight, just stating my audio preference.


That's fine...SETs are not for everyone. I eventually tired of them
and went onto something better and less idiosyncratic. I doubt you
would have found any faults when my system consisted of Harbeth 40.1s,
BAT VK-32SE and VK-55SE amplification and my Michell/SME/Koetsu TT.

I would have to disagree with you on Scott's system. While it did get
better over the years, it still lacked any real energy or sense of
dynamics. It just always sounded dull and two-dimensional. I couldn't
listen to music on it for more than a minute or two before my mind
started to wander and I started wondering about what I was going to do
later, after I left his house.

We've talked about this before, when I asked you what I would think of
your system. While I appreciate Vandersteens, I'm definitely less
charitable toward Music Hall TTs, which I think are overshadowed by
Regas. And I went through my vintage amp phase with a Scott 299B and
decided it didn't produce a stable enough image to satisfy. It was
about the qualifiers: "Wow, this sounds pretty good...for an amp
that's older than me." But I would rather have a new integrated from
someone like LFD, Sugden or Naim than a classic amp from Scott,
Fisher, Eico or even Marantz. So chances are that I would find fault
with your system as well.

That said, I still think Scott's system was subpar from the get-go,and
wasn't any better than mid-fi systems you find in the big home
electronic chains (if any still exist).


the music hall has been replaced, an AR, not the old classic one,
newer,
don't know the model, and with a number of mods. I am ready to mount
a MM cartridge, I can't remember the name, it is from some
company that improves upon the Grado design, still
i hope it does not hum on the AR. I can always use my ortofon.
The digital is from a pc going into a Brigatta tube DAC, which
beats the Jolida cd player

the Scott is in a secondary system, yes, the scott's don't image so
well,
and the bass, ever present, is not so distinct, but it provides some
really pleasant music in my bedroom

scott's system as i heard it was a lot better than mid fi, but that
was due to the quads.
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On May 25, 12:34*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:
On May 25, 10:31*am, Boon wrote:





On May 23, 10:43 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:


On May 23, 10:26 pm, Boon wrote:


On May 23, 1:15 pm, ScottW wrote:


On May 22, 9:22 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:


On May 22, 6:34 pm, ScottW wrote:


On May 22, 11:15 am, Clyde Slick wrote:


On May 22, 12:45 pm, Boon wrote:


On May 22, 11:19 am, Bret L wrote:


On May 22, 10:52 am, Boon wrote:


On May 22, 9:47 am, ScottW wrote:


On May 21, 9:20 pm, Boon wrote:


On May 21, 5:20 pm, Bret L wrote:


It would be less entertaining here, that's for sure.


If you and Scott were less autistic, you guys would still be the
dumbest ones here.


I wonder if Marc's "special needs" kid knows how he likes to use
false claims of disability as an insult?
Let me apologize for Marc to any autistic persons or parents/relatives
of an autistic person.


Phillips really doesn't know what a crass ass he is..


Once again YOUR disability has let you down. My problem isn't that you
and Bret are autistic. It's that you two fail to admit it, and
perfectly reasonable people get sucked into arguments with you without
being properly informed about your condition. That's very dishonest.


Wow...you ****ed up again, Scott. Amazing.


Who's really crazy, us or you?


Neither.


If you really were sane and really believed either or both of us
insane, you'd simply killfile us and move on.


I don't think either of you are insane. I think you are two autistic
people who, like many other autistic people, are attracted to Usenet
because you don't have to admit you're autistic to participate. In
real life, most people can talk to autistic people and figure out
pretty quickly that something's amiss. For instance, I met Scott in
person a few times, and he has this way of pontificating about some
arcane point while looking off into space as if he forgets that other
people are around. he also has a problem with eye contact, which is
common among people with Aspergers. And whenever Art and I would be
making jokes and laughing, Scott would merely sit there, stone-faced.


That's how sane people deal with insane people on Usenet.

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On May 25, 4:39*pm, Boon wrote:
On May 25, 12:34*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:



My 299 was nice, but had some reliability issues as well. If I left it
on for more than a couple of hours, I started to smell smoke. The
imaging was NOT up to modern standards.


I know what you mean about the imaging, but that is no' the be all
and end all of audio
presentation, and would give up some of that
to get the warmth and fullness of the Scott's

I find that the Scot 7189 amps image better than the 7591 amps.
You might like one of those a little better
Pierre Sprey had been doing some mods to them, but
the Mapleshade site does not shoe this anymore..
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On May 25, 6:50*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:
On May 25, 4:39*pm, Boon wrote:

On May 25, 12:34*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:


My 299 was nice, but had some reliability issues as well. If I left it
on for more than a couple of hours, I started to smell smoke. The
imaging was NOT up to modern standards.


I know what you mean about the imaging, but that is no' *the be all
and end all of audio
presentation, and *would give up some of that
to get the warmth and fullness of the Scott's

I find that the Scot 7189 amps image better than the 7591 amps.
You might like one of those a little better
Pierre Sprey had been doing some mods to them, but
the Mapleshade site does not shoe this anymore..


By the way, is the MM cart you're going to mount from The Cartridge
Man? Those are fine MMs.

If you want to talk about an older tube preamp that really lights my
fire, then I'd have to say the Audio Research SP-3s are still pretty
spectacular.
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