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My next project, for audio is going to be sampling. And I think I've
found a way to isolate lyrics and tracks of music from one another. All you have to do is create a fuzzy sample of the music yourself. And then look at that sample as noise that you want to take out of whatever music you want to work with. So you can just erase the guitar from a song, and keep the drums or vocals. Cool idea right? Anyone else know of ways to do this? |
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If you look at a kareoke song as noise, then you can just sample out
the lyrics from the real song with a noise filter. And you can just sample out the guitar too, or the drums. And with my Wav2bmp convertor, you can sample out pretty much everything even when they are encrypting pop music with vocoders. Because you can just create a fuzzy immitation, that represents the sound and get close enough. So download it and check it out: a href="http://grimoire.genesismuds.com"http://grimoire.genesismuds.com/a My best sound effect yet: a href="http://grimoire.genesismuds.com/perfect.wav"http://grimoire.genesismuds.com/perfect.wav/a wrote: My next project, for audio is going to be sampling. And I think I've found a way to isolate lyrics and tracks of music from one another. All you have to do is create a fuzzy sample of the music yourself. And then look at that sample as noise that you want to take out of whatever music you want to work with. So you can just erase the guitar from a song, and keep the drums or vocals. Cool idea right? Anyone else know of ways to do this? |
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wrote:
My next project, for audio is going to be sampling. And I think I've found a way to isolate lyrics and tracks of music from one another. All you have to do is create a fuzzy sample of the music yourself. And then look at that sample as noise that you want to take out of whatever music you want to work with. So you can just erase the guitar from a song, and keep the drums or vocals. Cool idea right? Anyone else know of ways to do this? Don't music studios have a machine to do this? an equalizer? http://www.softlab-nsk.com/ddclipro/...fx_firequ.html --- JL |
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Looks like a good effect. I have an equalizer in audacity that I am
using and its free. But even if I have an equalizer to balance the music with the lyrics, it isn't going to help crack a real song and take the lyrics out of the music. Joseph Littleshoes wrote: wrote: My next project, for audio is going to be sampling. And I think I've found a way to isolate lyrics and tracks of music from one another. All you have to do is create a fuzzy sample of the music yourself. And then look at that sample as noise that you want to take out of whatever music you want to work with. So you can just erase the guitar from a song, and keep the drums or vocals. Cool idea right? Anyone else know of ways to do this? Don't music studios have a machine to do this? an equalizer? http://www.softlab-nsk.com/ddclipro/...fx_firequ.html --- JL |
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wrote: wrote: If you look at a kareoke song as noise, then you can just sample out the lyrics from the real song with a noise filter. And you can just sample out the guitar too, or the drums. And with my Wav2bmp convertor, you can sample out pretty much everything even when they are encrypting pop music with vocoders. Because you can just create a fuzzy immitation, that represents the sound and get close enough. So download it and check it out: http://grimoire.genesismuds.com Totally unimpressive, as these effects can be easily produced more easily by any number of existing means. In this particular sample, you simply have introduced a lot of comb filtering and such. So why is your way, which seems far more involved, more intricate, far less intuitive in the audio domain, Does not seem to be able to ever work in real time, in any way better? The mistake you are making is looking for the answer to your question from the perspective of someone who's not a total whacked out nutjob. Erwin Hessle, 8=3 |
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Well, I at least have a first try at taking some samples out of music.
Just listen to this loop I created with Wav2bmp: http://grimoire.genesismuds.com/stolen.wav wrote: wrote: If you look at a kareoke song as noise, then you can just sample out the lyrics from the real song with a noise filter. And you can just sample out the guitar too, or the drums. And with my Wav2bmp convertor, you can sample out pretty much everything even when they are encrypting pop music with vocoders. Because you can just create a fuzzy immitation, that represents the sound and get close enough. So download it and check it out: http://grimoire.genesismuds.com Totally unimpressive, as these effects can be easily produced more easily by any number of existing means. In this particular sample, you simply have introduced a lot of comb filtering and such. So why is your way, which seems far more involved, more intricate, far less intuitive in the audio domain, Does not seem to be able to ever work in real time, in any way better? |
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wrote: Totally unimpressive, as these effects can be easily produced more easily by any number of existing means. In this particular sample, you simply have introduced a lot of comb filtering and such. So why is your way, which seems far more involved, more intricate, far less intuitive in the audio domain, Does not seem to be able to ever work in real time, in any way better? Well, I at least have a first try at taking some samples out of music. Just listen to this loop I created with Wav2bmp: http://grimoire.genesismuds.com/stolen.wav Not surprisingly, you utterly failed to address any of the questions. Your new samples are nothing unique, nothing new, nothing that couldnlt be done faster, easier and probably better on any number of existing techiques. For all the bluster you'ce created, your samples are notable for being ordinary, uninteresting, and boring. |
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Thanks for the tip Richard Smol. I don't think I'll buy adobe
audition, but it should be hard to write my own noise filter, that cancels out background sounds or other instruments. It is just pattern recognition. I just need to find some people who have experience working with noise cancelation or pattern recognition, and get a team going. Can you think of any other software that does this kind of work? Richard Smol wrote: wrote: My next project, for audio is going to be sampling. And I think I've found a way to isolate lyrics and tracks of music from one another. All you have to do is create a fuzzy sample of the music yourself. And then look at that sample as noise that you want to take out of whatever music you want to work with. So you can just erase the guitar from a song, and keep the drums or vocals. Cool idea right? Anyone else know of ways to do this? Sounds like something already implemented in Cool Edit Pro (now Adobe Audition). There you can use noise cancellation by actually subtracting a background-noise from another track. This can for instance be abused to extract the vocals from a track, a long as you have a part with vocals only. It works fairly fine too, but sometimes leads to artifacts... which may or may not be cool. RS |
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On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 09:07:23 -0700, CoreyWhite wrote:
Thanks for the tip Richard Smol. I don't think I'll buy adobe audition, but it should be hard to write my own noise filter, that cancels out background sounds or other instruments. It is just pattern recognition. I just need to find some people who have experience working with noise cancelation or pattern recognition, and get a team going. Can you think of any other software that does this kind of work? Download a program called 'pure data'. (It's free.) http://puredata.info/ Look at the example Help-Browser-Audio Examples-I09 Sheep from Goats. It's an example of seperating sinusoids from noise, and is about as simple an example of doing this as it gets. Which is still quite complicated for me at least. |
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I found another program too:
http://www.1esa.com/STC_SoundCleaner.htm It is also free. philicorda wrote: On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 09:07:23 -0700, CoreyWhite wrote: Thanks for the tip Richard Smol. I don't think I'll buy adobe audition, but it should be hard to write my own noise filter, that cancels out background sounds or other instruments. It is just pattern recognition. I just need to find some people who have experience working with noise cancelation or pattern recognition, and get a team going. Can you think of any other software that does this kind of work? Download a program called 'pure data'. (It's free.) http://puredata.info/ Look at the example Help-Browser-Audio Examples-I09 Sheep from Goats. It's an example of seperating sinusoids from noise, and is about as simple an example of doing this as it gets. Which is still quite complicated for me at least. |
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On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 10:44:03 -0700, CoreyWhite wrote:
I found another program too: http://www.1esa.com/STC_SoundCleaner.htm It is also free. Aye, it's free and it does ten times as many things as that simple 'sheep from goats' example.... but it won't teach you anything about what's going on 'under the hood', which you need to understand to actualise your ambitious ideas. Get into using pure-data. If you are into the more experimental side of messing around with audio you'll have lots of fun with it. |
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Yeah maybe I should. This sound cleaner software it awful. It is made
to run on windows 95. philicorda wrote: On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 10:44:03 -0700, CoreyWhite wrote: I found another program too: http://www.1esa.com/STC_SoundCleaner.htm It is also free. Aye, it's free and it does ten times as many things as that simple 'sheep from goats' example.... but it won't teach you anything about what's going on 'under the hood', which you need to understand to actualise your ambitious ideas. Get into using pure-data. If you are into the more experimental side of messing around with audio you'll have lots of fun with it. |
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On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 12:17:50 -0700, CoreyWhite wrote:
Yeah maybe I should. This sound cleaner software it awful. It is made to run on windows 95. The one I suggested will be even worse . It's really only the skeleton of an example. You can play around with how it works though, and get some new sounds. I still don't really understand how Fourier analyses and re-synthesis works, but messing with the pd examples cleared it up a bit. |
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philicorda wrote: On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 12:17:50 -0700, CoreyWhite wrote: Yeah maybe I should. This sound cleaner software it awful. It is made to run on windows 95. The one I suggested will be even worse . It's really only the skeleton of an example. You can play around with how it works though, and get some new sounds. I still don't really understand how Fourier analyses and re-synthesis works, but messing with the pd examples cleared it up a bit. No, I think pure data is exactly what I need! Thank you for telling me about it. The Wav2bmp program I coded, was intended to be a way i could do exactly what pure data is doing. Program and manipulate the raw bytes of sound files. It should be hard to code an adaptive noise filter with it. I've been reading papers written on doing it. Just goog "adaptive background noise" and you should get a few hits of other people coding programs that do this. You just isolate the background noise and take it out. Easy enough. What else can you do with pure data? I'm really excited already, and am download the full program. |
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Roy W. Rising wrote: wrote: "You just isolate the background noise and take it out. Easy enough." Right. Have you thought about what you said? Even better, have you ever heard the results of trying to do what you said? Easy enough? Not! Don't forget Corey's a genius. No, wait a minute. Nutjob, not genius. Erwin Hessle, 8=3 |
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Roy W. Rising wrote:
wrote: "You just isolate the background noise and take it out. Easy enough." Right. Have you thought about what you said? Even better, have you ever heard the results of trying to do what you said? Easy enough? Not! All you need is a filter that only passes signal and rejects noise. No problem. It's just like the filters that pass gasoline and filter out water. You pump ocean water through them and eliminate oil spills, while running your car on the output. Cats use something like this principle... when they are lying on a dark object they shed light hair while when they are lying on a light object they shed dark hair. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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