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Please post stories of your assisting days.....would be fun to share.
Hey All,
I am just curious about other peoples beginnings in the studio world, be it at a big name studio or just a small one. Whats your best remembered story? most interesting thing that happened? Whats the worst? Most embarrasing? How did you get your first shot at engineering? Did you learn from a specific engineer? were you taken under their wing so to speak? I am just researching this as a friend of mine is thinking of writing a script that showcases the studio world from the eyes of an assistant engineer, and shows their beginnings, their troubles, their successes...etc....and would love to be inspired by true stories from people in the business...want to keep it as real as possible and provide a very accurate view of the studio world. Try and give outsiders a view as to what this mostly difficult lifestyle is made up of. As most people I speak to have no idea what its like, and therefore never understood what I did for a living when i was getting my start.....All stories are welcome, and if you provide your name, I will of course give a special thanks to you should anything come of it for inspiring us. I do thank you all in advance, and hope to hear some great stories from people....both good and bad...happy, sad, funny etc..... -Seth Feel free to e-mail your stories to or just reply here....as many i am sure will be interested |
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Yes, my most interesting story... The time I got paid...
-- Steven Sena XS Sound Recording www.xssound.com "Seth Mintz" wrote in message om... Hey All, I am just curious about other peoples beginnings in the studio world, be it at a big name studio or just a small one. Whats your best remembered story? most interesting thing that happened? Whats the worst? Most embarrasing? How did you get your first shot at engineering? Did you learn from a specific engineer? were you taken under their wing so to speak? I am just researching this as a friend of mine is thinking of writing a script that showcases the studio world from the eyes of an assistant engineer, and shows their beginnings, their troubles, their successes...etc....and would love to be inspired by true stories from people in the business...want to keep it as real as possible and provide a very accurate view of the studio world. Try and give outsiders a view as to what this mostly difficult lifestyle is made up of. As most people I speak to have no idea what its like, and therefore never understood what I did for a living when i was getting my start.....All stories are welcome, and if you provide your name, I will of course give a special thanks to you should anything come of it for inspiring us. I do thank you all in advance, and hope to hear some great stories from people....both good and bad...happy, sad, funny etc..... -Seth Feel free to e-mail your stories to or just reply here....as many i am sure will be interested |
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Yes, my most interesting story... The time I got paid...
-- Steven Sena XS Sound Recording www.xssound.com "Seth Mintz" wrote in message om... Hey All, I am just curious about other peoples beginnings in the studio world, be it at a big name studio or just a small one. Whats your best remembered story? most interesting thing that happened? Whats the worst? Most embarrasing? How did you get your first shot at engineering? Did you learn from a specific engineer? were you taken under their wing so to speak? I am just researching this as a friend of mine is thinking of writing a script that showcases the studio world from the eyes of an assistant engineer, and shows their beginnings, their troubles, their successes...etc....and would love to be inspired by true stories from people in the business...want to keep it as real as possible and provide a very accurate view of the studio world. Try and give outsiders a view as to what this mostly difficult lifestyle is made up of. As most people I speak to have no idea what its like, and therefore never understood what I did for a living when i was getting my start.....All stories are welcome, and if you provide your name, I will of course give a special thanks to you should anything come of it for inspiring us. I do thank you all in advance, and hope to hear some great stories from people....both good and bad...happy, sad, funny etc..... -Seth Feel free to e-mail your stories to or just reply here....as many i am sure will be interested |
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I forgot to put a tape in the tape machine when I was assisting with
Gregg Allman. Other than that, it went real well. Jeremy Stephens www.clearwavestudio.com |
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I forgot to put a tape in the tape machine when I was assisting with
Gregg Allman. Other than that, it went real well. Jeremy Stephens www.clearwavestudio.com |
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(Seth Mintz) wrote in message . com...
Hey All, I am just curious about other peoples beginnings in the studio world, be it at a big name studio or just a small one. Whats your best remembered story? most interesting thing that happened? Seth, Here's a couple of stories... After hunting around in LA for a couple of months hearing "OK, sounds like you know what you're talking about, so we'll start you out at $0.00 for the first six weeks. Then, if we like you, we'll put you on hourly at $5.00..." I finally got a job as a runner at a major studio for 5.00 per hour starting right out (thanks to a referral). Mostly, I ran errands, parked cars, helped straighten up, etc. However, on one of the first few days I was there, I was hooking up two 24 track machines with the assistant engineer. He did one breakout and I did the other one, 24 lines each. After we got it hooked up, the engineer came in and checked it out, and discovered that two of the lines were switched on one of the machines. The 2nd blamed me, even though it was the machine he had hooked up. I lost the job. A bit later, again through a referal, I got a job as an assistant at a smaller studio, owned by a producer. On one session, I came in at 10am for a 12pm start, and cleaned the place up, zero'd the SSL, got the two 24 track machines synched up, etc. At noon, the mix session started, and it was just the producer, artist (guy singer) and mixer. Basically, I did what any assistant would do... document all the cool-guy settings, patch things, make mix notes, etc. This went on until about 2am, when the session broke. I drove home (about 30 minutes at that hour) and at about 7am, the phone rang and the studio had someone coming in again, so they needed me. This was a vocal tracking/comping session with just the engineer and vocalist (John Wait of Bad English) and it started at about 10am and went to ??? and of course I was pretty seriously tired, but soldiered on. First was mic selection, and we ended up with (I think) an ELA-M251. Everything seemed fine. I had another session booked for the next morning, so instead of cleaning everything up that night, I planned on coming in early again the next morning and get everything straight. On that next morning, I called the studio to get the session start time, and I had been fired. No explanation, nothing. Later, I heard several different stories about why they had let me go, but I never got the 100% straight scoop from the studio owner. So then I found a job with a studio designer/installer and began making wiring harnesses and patchbays... for $10 an hour! Steady work! That was all back around 1991 when the LA studio world was beginning the trend of rapid shrinkage. Not long after that (plus a few more odd jobs, etc.) I got out of LA altogether, to tour as the FOH engineer for the Air Force Jazz band out of DC. Definitely got my miking and mixing chops together in a very different way. Hope that's the kind of stuff you're interested in. Regards, Karl Winkler Lectrosonics, Inc. http://www.lectrosonics.com |
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"Karl Winkler" wrote
Here's a couple of stories... After hunting around in LA for a couple of months hearing "OK, sounds like you know what you're talking about, so we'll start you out at $0.00 for the first six weeks. Then, if we like you, we'll put you on hourly at $5.00..." I finally got a job as a runner at a major studio for 5.00 per hour starting right out snip I lost the job. A bit later, again through a referal, I got a job as an assistant snip On that next morning, I called the studio to get the session start time, and I had been fired. No explanation, nothing. Later, I heard several different stories about why they had let me go, but I never got the 100% straight scoop from the studio owner. Getting fired is clearly an important part of the career arc. I only got fired once, and that was on the first day of a mix for a well known classical composer. I was the assistant. I let an intern do the multitrack alignment for me, and then didn't pay enough attention to what he was doing. For some reason he felt the need to do the record alignment and didn't think about what was after the long section of leader after the tones and recorded over the beginning of the first piece on the reel. The engineer freaked out and they fired me but not the intern because it was on my watch. -jw |
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"Karl Winkler" wrote
Here's a couple of stories... After hunting around in LA for a couple of months hearing "OK, sounds like you know what you're talking about, so we'll start you out at $0.00 for the first six weeks. Then, if we like you, we'll put you on hourly at $5.00..." I finally got a job as a runner at a major studio for 5.00 per hour starting right out snip I lost the job. A bit later, again through a referal, I got a job as an assistant snip On that next morning, I called the studio to get the session start time, and I had been fired. No explanation, nothing. Later, I heard several different stories about why they had let me go, but I never got the 100% straight scoop from the studio owner. Getting fired is clearly an important part of the career arc. I only got fired once, and that was on the first day of a mix for a well known classical composer. I was the assistant. I let an intern do the multitrack alignment for me, and then didn't pay enough attention to what he was doing. For some reason he felt the need to do the record alignment and didn't think about what was after the long section of leader after the tones and recorded over the beginning of the first piece on the reel. The engineer freaked out and they fired me but not the intern because it was on my watch. -jw |
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"John Washburn" wrote in message ...
"Karl Winkler" wrote Here's a couple of stories... Getting fired is clearly an important part of the career arc. Absolutely! Along those lines, I was working as a tech for a company in Burbank, and things were going pretty poorly. In fact, it was becoming obvious that this place was a dead end and had no industry credibility. So one day I called one of my teaches, "Beno" may, who worked in the A&M mastering studios back then (now he works for Bernie Grundman) and cried the blues to him. His sage-like response was "every situation, no matter how good or how bad, is an important learning environment". I've never forgotten that (or at least I've tried not to!) Karl Winkler Lectrosonics, Inc. http://www.lectrosonics.com |
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"John Washburn" wrote in message ...
"Karl Winkler" wrote Here's a couple of stories... Getting fired is clearly an important part of the career arc. Absolutely! Along those lines, I was working as a tech for a company in Burbank, and things were going pretty poorly. In fact, it was becoming obvious that this place was a dead end and had no industry credibility. So one day I called one of my teaches, "Beno" may, who worked in the A&M mastering studios back then (now he works for Bernie Grundman) and cried the blues to him. His sage-like response was "every situation, no matter how good or how bad, is an important learning environment". I've never forgotten that (or at least I've tried not to!) Karl Winkler Lectrosonics, Inc. http://www.lectrosonics.com |
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Seth Mintz wrote:
Hey All, I am just curious about other peoples beginnings in the studio world, be it at a big name studio or just a small one. Whats your best remembered story? most interesting thing that happened? Whats the worst? Most embarrasing? The worst, most embarrassing thing I did? I was interning at a small studio south of Nashville. The studio was artist owned, but mostly a commercial facility. On days that the studio was not booked, the owner would work on his projects and let me engineer. Pretty great gig for an intern! Anyway, we were working on ADAT's, doing guitar overdubs, the owner/artist is a guitar player. We had been doing guitar overdubs for a few hours. Now, guitar overdubs with this guy were crazy. He would have me punching in on notes left and right. Not phrases, but notes. I gotta say, he taught me a lot about how to take full advantage of ADATS and a BRC. Auto-punch, offsets between machines, etc. After a few hours one day, it came time to take a break. Now by break, I mean he goes and takes a break while I continue to do work that he doesn't need to be around for, like backing up the guitar overdubs we had just worked on. I had done several sessions with this guy before, and was quite familiar with how to do backups with adats. Being as the studio was attached to his house, it was not unusual for members of his family to stop in the studio when he was working. His wife, his teenage sons, etc. Well on this particular day, his 3-4 year old son was hanging around the control room while I was doing the backups. This kid was asking a bunch of questions, trying to push buttons, this kid was driving me crazy. Being that he is the owner's son, I can't tell him to get lost. Well, somewhere between me finishing up a set of backups, and explaining to the kid that he can't push the buttons until he grows up, I got a few of the 30 some ADAT's tapes mixed up. I wound up making a backup of the the last backup I had done. I just recorded over all of the overdubs we had spent the last several hours recording!! Son of a Bitch! Although, I would like to blame it on that innocent little kid, I should have been able to keep my head straight, and certainly should not have pressed record until I had triple checked which tapes were where. Needless to say, I was scared ****less to go tell the owner what I had just done. I gathered up my courage and explained to him what I had just done. While he was not happy, he realized that it was a simple mistake, and had in fact done it himself. Although he would not tolerate it again, he was glad that as soon as I knew that I had done wrong, I came to him immediately and told him what I had done. He gave me another chance. -- Eric www.Raw-Tracks.com |
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Seth Mintz wrote:
Hey All, I am just curious about other peoples beginnings in the studio world, be it at a big name studio or just a small one. Whats your best remembered story? most interesting thing that happened? Whats the worst? Most embarrasing? The worst, most embarrassing thing I did? I was interning at a small studio south of Nashville. The studio was artist owned, but mostly a commercial facility. On days that the studio was not booked, the owner would work on his projects and let me engineer. Pretty great gig for an intern! Anyway, we were working on ADAT's, doing guitar overdubs, the owner/artist is a guitar player. We had been doing guitar overdubs for a few hours. Now, guitar overdubs with this guy were crazy. He would have me punching in on notes left and right. Not phrases, but notes. I gotta say, he taught me a lot about how to take full advantage of ADATS and a BRC. Auto-punch, offsets between machines, etc. After a few hours one day, it came time to take a break. Now by break, I mean he goes and takes a break while I continue to do work that he doesn't need to be around for, like backing up the guitar overdubs we had just worked on. I had done several sessions with this guy before, and was quite familiar with how to do backups with adats. Being as the studio was attached to his house, it was not unusual for members of his family to stop in the studio when he was working. His wife, his teenage sons, etc. Well on this particular day, his 3-4 year old son was hanging around the control room while I was doing the backups. This kid was asking a bunch of questions, trying to push buttons, this kid was driving me crazy. Being that he is the owner's son, I can't tell him to get lost. Well, somewhere between me finishing up a set of backups, and explaining to the kid that he can't push the buttons until he grows up, I got a few of the 30 some ADAT's tapes mixed up. I wound up making a backup of the the last backup I had done. I just recorded over all of the overdubs we had spent the last several hours recording!! Son of a Bitch! Although, I would like to blame it on that innocent little kid, I should have been able to keep my head straight, and certainly should not have pressed record until I had triple checked which tapes were where. Needless to say, I was scared ****less to go tell the owner what I had just done. I gathered up my courage and explained to him what I had just done. While he was not happy, he realized that it was a simple mistake, and had in fact done it himself. Although he would not tolerate it again, he was glad that as soon as I knew that I had done wrong, I came to him immediately and told him what I had done. He gave me another chance. -- Eric www.Raw-Tracks.com |
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Yeah we've all been fired, I know I was fired from a major recording
studio here in NYC, for a rather unfair reason. I was put on a session for a fairly mainstream artist, just a tracking day, nothing special, drums, bass, guitar, basic tracks.....and everything went great, did my usual assisting duties, and at the end of the day, the engineer turned to me and said, "Listen I am working on a project in this room tomorrow morning as well, Please come in and assist me." I was thrilled with this, as I am always happy when an engineer requests my assistance. Anyway so I go in the next morning (keep in mind at this studio I was only a runner although i had assisted at another studio for over a year prior but they went under and i had to start again)Anyway, I set up for the session, just a mix date, and we get rolling along, all was well. Halfway through the session, the manager who assigns assistants to sessions walked in and wanted to pull me out of the session....the other assist I was working with that day, said that he needed me there and couldnt run the session on his own....the manager then walked out...Ever since that day, I was no longer asked to be on any session by the managment, in fact that manager no longer wanted to speak to me....apparently he took personal offense to me working that session....since he wanted to assign people himself...not engineers. I later watched the person I was hired with get promoted, and without warning, this same manager called me up to his office and fired me, and escorted me out of the building.....when i asked for a reason, he just stared blankly at me....giving me the silent treatment.....But i managed to pull through, and am now working in Television Post for 2 national award winning television shows....so I know getting fired only makes you stronger....I do still miss the studio world though....Anyway how about some funny stories, interesting happenings by musicians engineers etc....Love to hear from you all. Keep the stories coming! -Seth |
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Yeah we've all been fired, I know I was fired from a major recording
studio here in NYC, for a rather unfair reason. I was put on a session for a fairly mainstream artist, just a tracking day, nothing special, drums, bass, guitar, basic tracks.....and everything went great, did my usual assisting duties, and at the end of the day, the engineer turned to me and said, "Listen I am working on a project in this room tomorrow morning as well, Please come in and assist me." I was thrilled with this, as I am always happy when an engineer requests my assistance. Anyway so I go in the next morning (keep in mind at this studio I was only a runner although i had assisted at another studio for over a year prior but they went under and i had to start again)Anyway, I set up for the session, just a mix date, and we get rolling along, all was well. Halfway through the session, the manager who assigns assistants to sessions walked in and wanted to pull me out of the session....the other assist I was working with that day, said that he needed me there and couldnt run the session on his own....the manager then walked out...Ever since that day, I was no longer asked to be on any session by the managment, in fact that manager no longer wanted to speak to me....apparently he took personal offense to me working that session....since he wanted to assign people himself...not engineers. I later watched the person I was hired with get promoted, and without warning, this same manager called me up to his office and fired me, and escorted me out of the building.....when i asked for a reason, he just stared blankly at me....giving me the silent treatment.....But i managed to pull through, and am now working in Television Post for 2 national award winning television shows....so I know getting fired only makes you stronger....I do still miss the studio world though....Anyway how about some funny stories, interesting happenings by musicians engineers etc....Love to hear from you all. Keep the stories coming! -Seth |
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On 2004-11-11, Karl Winkler wrote:
Hope that's the kind of stuff you're interested in. I was hoping to get to the part where you got to turn away the guys who got you fired after they came crawling to you, or didn't give them spare change where they were begging on the street, or something. |
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On 2004-11-11, Karl Winkler wrote:
Hope that's the kind of stuff you're interested in. I was hoping to get to the part where you got to turn away the guys who got you fired after they came crawling to you, or didn't give them spare change where they were begging on the street, or something. |
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james of tucson wrote in message vatory.com...
On 2004-11-11, Karl Winkler wrote: Hope that's the kind of stuff you're interested in. I was hoping to get to the part where you got to turn away the guys who got you fired after they came crawling to you, or didn't give them spare change where they were begging on the street, or something. For some reason I didn't see your reply until tonight... Well, it wasn't exactly like you put it, but there was a certain irony to one of the steps in my career thus far. After leaving LA and working for the Air Force for four years, I got a job opportunity with Sennheiser US as the Neumann microphone product manager. Made sense, because I was very familiar with microphones, and had used quite a few of the Neumann models during my previous years. This was in 1996, and I ended up becoming the brand manager for Neumann USA, heading up their US operation in terms of marketing, sales, product development (together with the Neumann engineering team of course), artist relations, etc. Basically the perfect job, at least as far as I was concerned at the time. At that point (especially between 1997 and 2000, Neumann was really hitting a high point because they were listening to the market, making exceptional products, and really keeping their eye on the ball. Not only that, of course, but Neumann is one of those classic brands with decades of reverence from the recording world. Lots of great products over a very, very long time. What it meant for me was that now, I had carte blanche to visit any studio at just about any time. But instead of grovelling for $5 an hour, I was a "guest of honor", bringing in new products, asking questions about "how could Neumann be better" and getting to meet the top people in the industry. I saw tons of great sessions, such as some of Diana Krall's recordings, the orchestral soundtrack for "The Matrix", some of the "Jazz @ Lincoln Center" live recordings, etc. And the artists themselves. In fact, it was those types of relationships that spawned products like the KMS 105 vocal mic, for instance. So then at AES shows, studio owners and engineers who wouldn't even have known me from Adam while I was striving to be an engineer were all about talking up their latest projects, the mics they had and wanted to get, etc. More peer to peer, you know? Same person, different title. Amazing how that works. Not, mind you, that it was bad at all or that I got "glee" from it, but that it really gave me a different perspective on how the industry works. You know what they say: be nice to people in the elevator on your way up, because you're bound to see them again on the way down. Karl Winkler Lectrosonics, Inc. http://www.lectrosonics.com |
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james of tucson wrote in message vatory.com...
On 2004-11-11, Karl Winkler wrote: Hope that's the kind of stuff you're interested in. I was hoping to get to the part where you got to turn away the guys who got you fired after they came crawling to you, or didn't give them spare change where they were begging on the street, or something. For some reason I didn't see your reply until tonight... Well, it wasn't exactly like you put it, but there was a certain irony to one of the steps in my career thus far. After leaving LA and working for the Air Force for four years, I got a job opportunity with Sennheiser US as the Neumann microphone product manager. Made sense, because I was very familiar with microphones, and had used quite a few of the Neumann models during my previous years. This was in 1996, and I ended up becoming the brand manager for Neumann USA, heading up their US operation in terms of marketing, sales, product development (together with the Neumann engineering team of course), artist relations, etc. Basically the perfect job, at least as far as I was concerned at the time. At that point (especially between 1997 and 2000, Neumann was really hitting a high point because they were listening to the market, making exceptional products, and really keeping their eye on the ball. Not only that, of course, but Neumann is one of those classic brands with decades of reverence from the recording world. Lots of great products over a very, very long time. What it meant for me was that now, I had carte blanche to visit any studio at just about any time. But instead of grovelling for $5 an hour, I was a "guest of honor", bringing in new products, asking questions about "how could Neumann be better" and getting to meet the top people in the industry. I saw tons of great sessions, such as some of Diana Krall's recordings, the orchestral soundtrack for "The Matrix", some of the "Jazz @ Lincoln Center" live recordings, etc. And the artists themselves. In fact, it was those types of relationships that spawned products like the KMS 105 vocal mic, for instance. So then at AES shows, studio owners and engineers who wouldn't even have known me from Adam while I was striving to be an engineer were all about talking up their latest projects, the mics they had and wanted to get, etc. More peer to peer, you know? Same person, different title. Amazing how that works. Not, mind you, that it was bad at all or that I got "glee" from it, but that it really gave me a different perspective on how the industry works. You know what they say: be nice to people in the elevator on your way up, because you're bound to see them again on the way down. Karl Winkler Lectrosonics, Inc. http://www.lectrosonics.com |
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I think that most of the stories we former assistants render are tales
of woe and heroics, because those are the two key experiences of being a second. Here is a tale of heroism that turned into a tale of woe; I show up for a vocal overdub gig with "famous singer dude". I line up the machines, set up the mic, and booth, route the mic thru "famous engineer dude's" favorite chain, etc.. "Famous singer dude" shows up on time, but "famous engineer dude" is nowhere to be found....so the singer wants to get headphones figured out and all that jazz, so I went ahead and got a mix on the console, got a headphone mix, got a vocal sound thru the chain we would be using, etc.. Singer dude is very happy. One minute before the session was scheduled to start Engineer dude shows up and we start working. Right away the sessions turns into chaos...singer can't hear himself, vocal sound is miserable, everyone is unhappy and so Famous Engineer Dude turns on me and makes me look like an idiot...I ran around trying to troubleshoot what had happened, and found that Famous Engineer Dude had turned the mic pre gain wayyyyy down so that there was nothing driving the compressor, virtually no level to tape, so no level back to console, so no level to headphones and so on. Famous Engineer Dude derailed the session, then blamed me. Nice, but par for the course. Then Famous Engineer Dude says "I need you to run out and change the length of the plate reverb", so I go to do that, then he freaks out and in front of everyone says 'My God, what the hell are you doing! we're about to record a take, you can't leave the room! You have to run the tape machine'....now I thought that Famous Engineer Dude could find PLAY-RECORD on a multitrack (track was already armed), but apparently not. How I was supposed to change the plate AND run the tape machine I have not yet figured out. What did he do during the day to earn his fabulous pay? I still haven't figured it out. Oh, and this is a mild story compared to some others I could share... |
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I think that most of the stories we former assistants render are tales
of woe and heroics, because those are the two key experiences of being a second. Here is a tale of heroism that turned into a tale of woe; I show up for a vocal overdub gig with "famous singer dude". I line up the machines, set up the mic, and booth, route the mic thru "famous engineer dude's" favorite chain, etc.. "Famous singer dude" shows up on time, but "famous engineer dude" is nowhere to be found....so the singer wants to get headphones figured out and all that jazz, so I went ahead and got a mix on the console, got a headphone mix, got a vocal sound thru the chain we would be using, etc.. Singer dude is very happy. One minute before the session was scheduled to start Engineer dude shows up and we start working. Right away the sessions turns into chaos...singer can't hear himself, vocal sound is miserable, everyone is unhappy and so Famous Engineer Dude turns on me and makes me look like an idiot...I ran around trying to troubleshoot what had happened, and found that Famous Engineer Dude had turned the mic pre gain wayyyyy down so that there was nothing driving the compressor, virtually no level to tape, so no level back to console, so no level to headphones and so on. Famous Engineer Dude derailed the session, then blamed me. Nice, but par for the course. Then Famous Engineer Dude says "I need you to run out and change the length of the plate reverb", so I go to do that, then he freaks out and in front of everyone says 'My God, what the hell are you doing! we're about to record a take, you can't leave the room! You have to run the tape machine'....now I thought that Famous Engineer Dude could find PLAY-RECORD on a multitrack (track was already armed), but apparently not. How I was supposed to change the plate AND run the tape machine I have not yet figured out. What did he do during the day to earn his fabulous pay? I still haven't figured it out. Oh, and this is a mild story compared to some others I could share... |
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