[St. John Smythe]

Joseph Ashwood wrote:
Speaking as a cryptanalyst with 10 years of experience such effort would be
wasted and the result would be no better than CSS used in DVDs as far as
real protection goes. There is a reason the only "secure" systems that
survive in the wild have security built in from the beginning, for security
you overlay whatever you are working with on top of the security.

Still trying to figure out how to implement a one-time pad for music.

--
St. John
"The chain which can be yanked is not the eternal chain."
-G. Fitch

[Federico]

What changed is that high speed internet companies now *manage* the
bandwidth for consistent, economical performance.

I agree with you.
But let's put it this way:

1) I have an iPod (or similar).
2) Once I buy a CD I upload the .wav files into my PC (or Mac).
3) Then I make a copy into my iPod (or similar).
4) And then? What do I do with that plastic disk? I really won't use it
anymore. I have nearly 5000 CDs and I don't know where to physicly put
them!!!
My home stereo is connected to my "home server" and all' the files are
backed up once a month. And my house is full of little funny plastic disks.

IMHO it is only a delivery problem....
F.

[Carey Carlan]

"Arny Krueger" wrote in
:

Agreed. What changed is that high speed internet companies now
*manage* the bandwidth for consistent, economical performance.

In defense of the ISP's, they manage the rate partly because of the
skyrocketing demand for their product. They simply can't provide max
speed to everyone at the same time.

Now to bash them. US i-net is far behind the rest of the world. We pay
ten times as much for slower service.

[Arny Krueger]

"Albatross" rjarnold AT optus home.com.au wrote in
message
100 years from now? Or are you commenting that they have
been in use 100 years? Technology just started hauling
ass, things move too fast now. I don't think you'll find
a record player in 20 years, never mind 100.

Yes it's likely that no new Record Players will be made
in 20 years time, but I daresay that there will be plenty
still around in peoples storage or homes. Vinyl recording
playback is so simple that it can be done without
electricity, and records made near 100 years ago can be
played NOW.

Time to wake up and smell the coffee.

100-year-old recordings are *very* different beasts from the recordings that
play on players commonly available in the past 20 years.

You can try to play a cylinder or a 78 on your Rega 2 if you want to, and I
wish you all the luck in the world with your attempt. ;-)

[Arny Krueger]

"Federico" wrote in message

What changed is that high speed internet companies now
*manage* the bandwidth for consistent, economical
performance.

I agree with you.
But let's put it this way:

1) I have an iPod (or similar).

So do I - its a NJB3, and I have a few flash-based players kicking around
the house, too.

2) Once I buy a CD I upload the .wav files into my PC (or
Mac).

Ditto.

3) Then I make a copy into my iPod (or similar).

Ditto

4) And then? What do I do with that plastic disk?

Put it in storage because its the token that symbolizes your copyright
license.

I
really won't use it anymore. I have nearly 5000 CDs and I
don't know where to physicly put them!!!

If you discard the jewel cases, they shrink quite a bit.

[Arny Krueger]

"Carey Carlan" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in
:

Agreed. What changed is that high speed internet
companies now *manage* the bandwidth for consistent,
economical performance.

In defense of the ISP's, they manage the rate partly
because of the skyrocketing demand for their product.


I think the skyrocket is flying pretty predictably and not gaining altitude
that rapdily any more.

They simply can't provide max speed to everyone at the
same time.

Shouldn't need to, either.

Now to bash them. US i-net is far behind the rest of the
world. We pay ten times as much for slower service.

Something about the geographic exclusive franchises that have been granted,
or exist because of the lame technology (e.g., DSL).

[Jan Holm]

"Lorin David Schultz" wrote
Yeah, but unfortunately the developers have decided to use up the
bandwidth with jerky postage-stamp videos of the band, interactive video
games with animated band members as the game characters, and an online
chat area. That leaves 128k for audio! g

Not if you use shoutcast - and for most streams its pretty easy
to find the direct link and use it in say Winamp.

When stuff like http://www.slimdevices.com/ becomes the norm
someone has to rethink all this embedded crap.

Regards
Jan Holm

[Jeff Findley]

"Federico" wrote in message
...

What changed is that high speed internet companies now *manage* the
bandwidth for consistent, economical performance.

I agree with you.
But let's put it this way:

1) I have an iPod (or similar).
2) Once I buy a CD I upload the .wav files into my PC (or Mac).
3) Then I make a copy into my iPod (or similar).
4) And then? What do I do with that plastic disk? I really won't use it
anymore. I have nearly 5000 CDs and I don't know where to physicly put
them!!!

5) Burn a copy of the CD for the kids.
6) Burn a copy of the CD for the car.
7) Burn a copy of the CD for one of the Sony CD changers (I've got room for
600 CD's in them).
8) Stick the original CD on the shelf

I know all those copies of the CD aren't quite legal, but what do you do
when your kids scratch and lose your CD's, the car player and operator
scratches them, and you still don't quite trust the Sony CD changers enough
that you want to put thousands of dollars of CD's into them?

My home stereo is connected to my "home server" and all' the files are
backed up once a month. And my house is full of little funny plastic
disks.

IMHO it is only a delivery problem....

This works great if you have the hard drive space for your entire collection
without resorting to lossy compression.

Jeff
--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a
little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor
safety"
- B. Franklin, Bartlett's Familiar Quotations (1919)

[Jeff Findley]

"Albatross" rjarnold AT optus home.com.au wrote in message
...
100 years from now? Or are you commenting that they have been in use 100
years? Technology just started hauling ass, things move too fast now. I
don't think you'll find a record player in 20 years, never mind 100.

Yes it's likely that no new Record Players will be made in 20 years time,
but I daresay that there will be plenty still around in peoples storage or
homes. Vinyl recording playback is so simple that it can be done without
electricity, and records made near 100 years ago can be played NOW.

Will that still be the case for CD's? I doubt it.. how many people still
have or use Cassettes? That technology has well & truly passed.
I guess it's similar to what has happened with the printed word. It's gone
from carved in stone to intangible emails, which will be lost when the PC
is turned off.. It seems the more advanced we are, the less history we
leave behind...

But so far, you can play CD's in DVD players and I suspect that many, if not
all, of the new HD DVD and Blue Ray players will also play CD's. I expect
the CD format to be alive for quite some time, especially if the generation
of video players beyond HD DVD and Blue Ray also play CD's.

Jeff
--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a
little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor
safety"
- B. Franklin, Bartlett's Familiar Quotations (1919)

[Jenn]

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message


I would be surprised of there is ANY newly produced
physical music media in about 5 years.

There is arguably more newly produced physical music (and video) media than
ever. What changed is who produces the in-use media - now the consumer
produces it from downloads and content he makes by himself or with friends.

What is arguably going away is specialized media for distributing audio and
video, and the business of loading of that media in central specialized
factories.

IOW, people now load their own flash cards and CDs. People now make their
own audio and video content.

Flash devices and CDs are generalized, user-managed media for handling just
about any kind of data, and are not specialized one-time-use media for just
music or video.

The other big change is that producing the video and audio content is
becoming far more decentralized.

This is exactly what I meant. I should have added "for purchase" to my
statement. We'll produce our own physical media, if desired, but there
will be less and less recorded physical media for sale.

[Jenn]

In article ,
"Joseph Ashwood" wrote:

"Richard Crowley" wrote in message
...
"Albatross" wrote ...
Vinyl records were massively entrenched and are still in the picture now,
unlike other technolgies which have come & gone, or are on their way out.
Can any other technology boast of being playable still in 100 years?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinyl_record#History

Writing/printing on paper?
Oil paintings?
Photography?

You're missing the more important one to this conversation: scores. I have
had a 400+ year old score in my hand, it was just as readable as ever.
Joe

What 400 year old score do you have?

As an add-on to this conversation: just as it saddens me that there are
fewer and fewer places to browse CDs etc, there are fewer and fewer
places to browse scores and other sheet music.

[Sander deWaal]

"Romeo Rondeau" said:

Vinyl records were massively entrenched and are still in the picture now,
unlike other technolgies which have come & gone, or are on their way out.
Can any other technology boast of being playable still in 100 years?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinyl_record#History


100 years from now? Or are you commenting that they have been in use 100
years? Technology just started hauling ass, things move too fast now. I
don't think you'll find a record player in 20 years, never mind 100.


Ever heard of a spaceprobe called Voyager? ;-)

http://www.cedmagic.com/featured/voy...er-record.html

--
"All amps sound alike, but some sound more alike than others".

[Randy Yates]

Lorin David Schultz wrote:
Jan Holm wrote:

Btw 1.411 Mb/s = uncompressed stereo wave 44.1khz 16 bit
A 20 Mb/s would give you 28 channels !!!!



Yeah, but unfortunately the developers have decided to use up the
bandwidth with jerky postage-stamp videos of the band, interactive video
games with animated band members as the game characters, and an online
chat area. That leaves 128k for audio! g

Amen, Lorin.

--Randy

[Romeo Rondeau]

4) And then? What do I do with that plastic disk? I really won't use it
anymore. I have nearly 5000 CDs and I don't know where to physicly put
them!!!
My home stereo is connected to my "home server" and all' the files are
backed up once a month. And my house is full of little funny plastic
disks.

Send them to me, I'll take care of them for you :-)

[Romeo Rondeau]

100 years from now? Or are you commenting that they have been in use 100
years? Technology just started hauling ass, things move too fast now. I
don't think you'll find a record player in 20 years, never mind 100.


Ever heard of a spaceprobe called Voyager? ;-)

http://www.cedmagic.com/featured/voy...er-record.html

Oh, well that settles it! :-)

[Lynn]

"Jan Holm" wrote in message
k...
wrote
A replacement technology should solve all these problems, while
preserving the good features of the CD, notably:

Cant remember where but I read an interview with Mr Gates
stating that Blue Ray / HD DVD will be the last physical format.
From then on youll be streaming from your own server or a central
server via cable or air.

I dont often agree with Gates but I'm in on this one !

Regards
Jan Holm



I never heard that report specifically, but I do believe a central server
for ALL music is the way of the future. I even wrote an article last year
about changes that could be made to copyright to solve all of today's
problems. Of course I was met with complete contempt! -
www.wobblymusic.net/campaign.htm

Strangely, some of the UK music bodies such as PRS are now going for some of
my ideas...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5174292.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5172816.stm


Regards,

Lynn
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[Kalman Rubinson]

On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:45:18 -0700, "chip" wrote:

Haven't talked to many retailers have you? CD Discs get slipped into
pockets on a regular basis. Cargo pants or shorts, anyone? They are
looking not for smaller, but larger, packages so their "shrinkage" is less.
From their viewpoint the LP was ideal. Could display a lot, but rarely
walked out the door unpaid.
Well, the packaging can be large while the medium is small.

Kal

[meammrmustard]

Federico wrote:
What changed is that high speed internet companies now *manage* the
bandwidth for consistent, economical performance.


I agree with you.
But let's put it this way:

1) I have an iPod (or similar).
2) Once I buy a CD I upload the .wav files into my PC (or Mac).
3) Then I make a copy into my iPod (or similar).
4) And then? What do I do with that plastic disk?


You really have to ass, I mean ask???

-meanmrmustard

[Carey Carlan]

"Romeo Rondeau" wrote in news:geRtg.4043$2v.336
@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net:

100 years from now? Or are you commenting that they have been in use
100
years? Technology just started hauling ass, things move too fast now. I
don't think you'll find a record player in 20 years, never mind 100.


Ever heard of a spaceprobe called Voyager? ;-)

http://www.cedmagic.com/featured/voy...er-record.html

Oh, well that settles it! :-)

If you're orbiting the star Sirius...

[Carey Carlan]

Carey Carlan wrote in news:Xns980057476432h2atroak@
140.99.99.130:

"Arny Krueger" wrote in
:

Agreed. What changed is that high speed internet companies now
*manage* the bandwidth for consistent, economical performance.

In defense of the ISP's, they manage the rate partly because of the
skyrocketing demand for their product. They simply can't provide max
speed to everyone at the same time.

Now to bash them. US i-net is far behind the rest of the world. We pay
ten times as much for slower service.

In about 3 years you can have wireless access at DSL speeds anywhere in
the US if this pans out:

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...0/b3994051.htm

[Sander deWaal]

Carey Carlan said:

"Romeo Rondeau" wrote in news:geRtg.4043$2v.336
:

100 years from now? Or are you commenting that they have been in use
100 years? Technology just started hauling ass, things move too fast now. I
don't think you'll find a record player in 20 years, never mind 100.


Ever heard of a spaceprobe called Voyager? ;-)

http://www.cedmagic.com/featured/voy...er-record.html


Oh, well that settles it! :-)


If you're orbiting the star Sirius...


The original statement, quoted above, didn't specify a location ;-)

--
"All amps sound alike, but some sound more alike than others".

[Jenn]

In article m,
"Joseph Ashwood" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Joseph Ashwood" wrote:
You're missing the more important one to this conversation: scores. I
have
had a 400+ year old score in my hand, it was just as readable as ever.
Joe

What 400 year old score do you have?

I only had it briefly in my hand, it was an old director score for a piece I
came across in the USC library (to the best of my knowledge it has since
been moved into the private collection). I think the individual part scores
had been lost, but the director score was there.

As an add-on to this conversation: just as it saddens me that there are
fewer and fewer places to browse CDs etc, there are fewer and fewer
places to browse scores and other sheet music.

Most major universities (perhaps most univerisities) have music libraries
with huge numbers of scores available, with a few dating back hundreds of
years, although most will be duplicates and/or modern pieces.
Joe

Believe me, I know this. It seems that I (happily) spend half my life
in the music libraries at Berkeley, UCLA, and USC. But those places
where you can go to scan scores for purchase...new works, new editions
of old works, etc.... are going by the wayside in favor of online
ordering. Byron Hoyt in San Francisco is gone, Pepper is just for the
education market, in L.A. the old Keynote and Carl Fisher are gone. In
CA, about all that is left is Theodore Front (which is great, of course.)

[Scott Dorsey]

chip wrote:
Haven't talked to many retailers have you? CD Discs get slipped into
pockets on a regular basis. Cargo pants or shorts, anyone? They are
looking not for smaller, but larger, packages so their "shrinkage" is less.

If that's the case, why aren't we still using long boxes?

From their viewpoint the LP was ideal. Could display a lot, but rarely
walked out the door unpaid.

I gather that, combined with the fact that the existing LP bins could be used,
was the advantage of the long box.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[dizzy]

Jeff Findley wrote:

But so far, you can play CD's in DVD players and I suspect that many, if not
all, of the new HD DVD and Blue Ray players will also play CD's. I expect
the CD format to be alive for quite some time,

Exactly.

especially if the generation
of video players beyond HD DVD and Blue Ray also play CD's.

Almost certainly, if there is anything beyond them. Some are
predicting that they will be the last "hard" media.

[Eeyore]

wrote:

There have been a number of articles recently discussing the death of the
CD, and wondering what might replace it commercially. Some of the
possibilities discussed are flash memory, downloading a la iPod, or even
sending info directly to the brain. Let's ignore this latter, since it's
not presently possible, and attempt to answer the question of what might
actually take the place of CDs.

Pretty obviously DVDs.

Graham

[Laurence Payne]

On 14 Jul 2006 20:12:10 -0400, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

Haven't talked to many retailers have you? CD Discs get slipped into
pockets on a regular basis. Cargo pants or shorts, anyone? They are
looking not for smaller, but larger, packages so their "shrinkage" is less.

If that's the case, why aren't we still using long boxes?

From their viewpoint the LP was ideal. Could display a lot, but rarely
walked out the door unpaid.

I gather that, combined with the fact that the existing LP bins could be used,
was the advantage of the long box.

I don't remember the sleeve in the rack ever containing the actual
disk.

[Laurence Payne]

On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 02:14:03 +0100, Eeyore
wrote:

not presently possible, and attempt to answer the question of what might
actually take the place of CDs.

Pretty obviously DVDs.

DVDs *are* CDs. One has capacity for a sellable chunk of video, the
other for a sellable amount of audio.

[Benj]

St. John Smythe wrote:

Still trying to figure out how to implement a one-time pad for music.

Wrong idea!
What you want to implement is the one-play CD! That's even better than
the current DVD's that lock all controls on your player forcing you to
view a bunch of ads and crap! What would be more profitable than a CD
player system that over-writes that disk as you play it. Well all of it
that is, except the "subscription form" at the end you use to order
additional copies if by chance you wish to hear it again.

Benj

[Benj]

Joseph Ashwood wrote:
wrote in message
. ..

I think the first step is to realize the consumption style of music goes
through fads, they just tend to be longer than most people think of fads. I
believe the replacement to the CD will requi
1 Dynamic playtime (5 minutes to 3 hours should suffice)
2 Seperation of Sub-woofer track
3 Ability to contain video as well (in music we really are heading this
way, more music is sold because of the video on MTV than because of the
radio)
4 Easily copiable
5 Cheap

2-5 will be the selling points for the users, and 1 will be a convenience
point. As for the DRM, which will unfortunately be necessary to meet the
desires of the rights holders.
6 Transfer between devices, only 1 device can use it at a time
7 Extremely difficult to make a high-fidelity recording
8 CHEAP!!!!!!!!
9 Remote disable

Other useful features:
10 Ability to collect information about what is played back in which
situations
11 Profiling of users to enable finer grained marketing

Sort of the right idea but you aren't quite there...

First off, people are used to thinking they "buy" a recording so hence
they "own" something. Not so. The money is not for any ownership of
"music" but rather for a "license" to be able to play the files.
Obviously all legal terms of the given licence will apply such as
number of plays allowed, playing on only one device at a time, copies
of the files even for backup being prohibited, sale or transfer of the
license forbidden to other persons, plus other as yet to be determined
provisons such as taking control of player so as to force the listening
to advertisements, legal warnings or other "important" items.

So if we say a DVD and CD are really the same thing, then we have to
look to the next stage. I think Bill's vision fits here. Music will not
come from "manufacturers" any more, but from utilities. Instead of
'buying" a CD or other media, there will be "public" utilites which get
a nominal payment of maybe $75 up to a couple of hundred bux a month so
that you gain access to a given "music server". The server would give
access to the level of the service fee that you have paid for. The more
you pay per month, the more files you can access. The utility server
would include complete access to your computer as well as your personal
government tracking information through your citizen ID number. This
way the server spyware would be aware how many copies of any given
music file you have on your machine at any given time and whether or
not you have transferred any of these files to another machine without
then deleting all copies from the first machine. Any copies on multiple
machines detected by the server would then trigger multiple billing of
your monthly music server fee. The customer tracking feature through
your Citizen ID number and your credit/debit purchases would also
provide the utility with excellent records of ALL your recent
purchases, what they were, who you made them from, what time you made
them, the location of the purchase, which would then be carefully
sorted for music-related marketing information. You know like what kind
of sex you are into or what medicines you are taking. In other words,
it will pretty much use an advanced computerized version of the present
Kroger barcode customer tracking scheme. Eventually it is to be hoped
that patrons will for the most part opt for radio-tracking implants
which can be sensed automatically by all servers, players, file systems
or other aspect of the music utility so as to provide positive customer
ID verification and prevent unauthorized use, playbacks, file transfers
or other felony abuse of the music server public utility that might be
attempted through identity theft or other teenage mischief. The best
aspect of this system is that your music utility bill will be
automatically withdrawn from your bank account every month with your
electric, phone, internet, and gas bill so you won't even have to worry
about how much it all costs!

Oh yeah. Sound fidelity or other sound or music-related quality
standards are a non-issue. I think 8 track and cassette tapes
established the validity of this assumption.

I think that's a pretty good estimate of the future of music media.

PS. Now that I think of it, an anti-piracy feature which allows the
music server to automatically delete any unauthorized or unapproved
file it finds on your system would be a nice refinement. This would not
only include pirated music files and unauthorized extra copies, but
would also extend to illegal or unauthorized copy, player, or transfer
software as well.

[Scott Dorsey]

fathom wrote:

This is completely bogus. The telcos got $200 BILLION in
grants, incentives, and tax breaks to build out their networks.
In exchange for this, they promised that by 2006, virtually
every home in America would be wired with fibre-to-the-curb
offering cheap 45 Mbps connections. Instead we got nothing -
cable and DSL. I had a faster cable internet service in 1995
and it was cheaper.

In the years since 1995, we got touch tone service and direct dial
long distance, and as of about six months ago we even have DSL in
the area. I can pick up the phone and instantly hear a dial tone now,
and most of the calls that I make actually get through.

That's a big step up in a short period of time, especially in GTE land.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Dr. Dolittle]

fathom wrote:

This is completely bogus. The telcos got $200 BILLION in
grants, incentives, and tax breaks to build out their networks.

Huh? Who got $200 billion in grants?

[Richard Crowley]

"Scott Dorsey" wrote ...
fathom wrote:

This is completely bogus. The telcos got $200 BILLION in
grants, incentives, and tax breaks to build out their networks.
In exchange for this, they promised that by 2006, virtually
every home in America would be wired with fibre-to-the-curb
offering cheap 45 Mbps connections. Instead we got nothing -
cable and DSL. I had a faster cable internet service in 1995
and it was cheaper.

In the years since 1995, we got touch tone service and direct dial
long distance, and as of about six months ago we even have DSL in
the area. I can pick up the phone and instantly hear a dial tone now,
and most of the calls that I make actually get through.

That's a big step up in a short period of time, especially in GTE
land.

Be glad that you didn't have the *first* direct-dial
exchange in GTE-land. Ours (Redlands, CA) was
implemented in Strowger switches and after dialing,
you could hear relays clicking for sometimes several
minutes before your call was dropped.

Before I managed to escape from GTE, nobody bothered
direct-dialing long distance (even from their fake Touch-
Tone phones). They just dialed 0. After a while even the
operators gave up reminding people that they could dial
long-distance direct.

Verizon have pulled and spliced fiber into the ducts they
bored under the sidewalks in our neighborhood last month.
But they are still dark.

[Jenn]

In article ,
"Richard Crowley" wrote:

"Scott Dorsey" wrote ...
fathom wrote:

This is completely bogus. The telcos got $200 BILLION in
grants, incentives, and tax breaks to build out their networks.
In exchange for this, they promised that by 2006, virtually
every home in America would be wired with fibre-to-the-curb
offering cheap 45 Mbps connections. Instead we got nothing -
cable and DSL. I had a faster cable internet service in 1995
and it was cheaper.

In the years since 1995, we got touch tone service and direct dial
long distance, and as of about six months ago we even have DSL in
the area. I can pick up the phone and instantly hear a dial tone now,
and most of the calls that I make actually get through.

That's a big step up in a short period of time, especially in GTE
land.

Be glad that you didn't have the *first* direct-dial
exchange in GTE-land. Ours (Redlands, CA) was
implemented in Strowger switches and after dialing,
you could hear relays clicking for sometimes several
minutes before your call was dropped.

Oh God, I remember that in Redlands! I was there when it happened,
teaching in Palm Springs and finishing my Masters degree at U of R.
TERRIBLE phone service!

[Joseph Ashwood]

"Benj" wrote in message
ups.com...
[a lot of things]

I think you missed one key point though, the end users have the final say in
what they will buy. The CD is a clear quality improvement form the consumer
perspective over LPs, and MP3s are a clear quantitative improvement over
CDs. The next step will actually require offering the consumers some reason
to make the shift. At $15 each CDs are within the common reach of the common
person, and you can see the pricing difference if you happen to visit China
where CDs are widely available for 1 Yuan (about $0.13), again making it
within the reach of a common man. Contrast this with the subscription model
you proposed ($75+ per month) and the apparent hit to the pocket for the
average man seems out of reach. That is part of why the iTunes model is
working, even though it is more expensive, at $1 each it appears within
reach of the common man. This is also the hurdle services like Urge have to
overcome, by charging $10/month they immediately put themselves in a bad
position versus say Napster at $6/month, as a result you will see that Urge
has almost no subscribers. At the other extreme is the model of places like
Caffeinated Music which is based on an impulse buy model so that while the
future user is still entranced by the concert a simple buy can be made for
an impulse buy amount. In time we'll see which method works best, but with
all the competition I don't expect ITMS to retain it's 80+% market share.
Joe

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For now I am planning on switching to DVD Audio and/or vinyl records.
I'm tired of CD's and MP3's. I can hear better sound & I want better
sound than these stupid things deliver. CD & MP3 are the Domino's Pizza
of music. In the future I would like very high bandwidth music on
either Blue Ray or holographic disks (300gb+). I'd like something far
beyond 24bit/192khz.

[alex]

ha scritto:
For now I am planning on switching to DVD Audio and/or vinyl records.
I'm tired of CD's and MP3's. I can hear better sound & I want better
sound than these stupid things deliver. CD & MP3 are the Domino's Pizza
of music. In the future I would like very high bandwidth music on
either Blue Ray or holographic disks (300gb+). I'd like something far
beyond 24bit/192khz.

what will replace the cd?
Mmmh, i suppose an even worse recorded and mastered CD!

OK CD is not a great deal, but his poor quality is still rarely achieved
by most recordings made today.
Put the right questions:

When people will stop buyn' music hypercompressed to sound louder?
-I suppose NEVER!

Are the CD meeting the quality standards required by the music biz of
today?
-I'm sure YES!

ps. what's the clue between vinyl and 192x24?

alex

[Geoff]

wrote:
For now I am planning on switching to DVD Audio and/or vinyl records.
I'm tired of CD's and MP3's. I can hear better sound & I want better
sound than these stupid things deliver. CD & MP3 are the Domino's
Pizza of music. In the future I would like very high bandwidth music
on either Blue Ray or holographic disks (300gb+). I'd like something
far beyond 24bit/192khz.

CD v. MP3 is like chalk and cheese. How come you are lumping those
together.

And what sort of music and ears are you going to use to take advantage of
all the extra bandwidth you are expecting ?

32bit/1GHz, 1TB . I can use even bigger specs, so I must have a HUGE dick.

geoff

[Citizen Ted]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:33:26 -0700, wrote:

There have been a number of articles recently discussing the death of the
CD, and wondering what might replace it commercially. Some of the
possibilities discussed are flash memory, downloading a la iPod, or even
sending info directly to the brain. Let's ignore this latter, since it's
not presently possible, and attempt to answer the question of what might
actually take the place of CDs. A successful replacement will have to have
all the features of a CD, but solve a few of the CD's drawbacks.

Had a recent discussion with a friend about this. This was the
pie-in-the-sky conclusion: global wireless on-demand technology.

It will involve the next generation (or two) of satellite transciever
technologies, but we will eventually have a global blanket of fat
bandwidth. Your cell phone will act as your universal remote control,
as well as your phone. You pre-pay for your content, which is held in
servers. Let's say, for instance, that you're a big Beatles fan and
you also love Star Wars movies. In the morning, your alarm clock fires
up and makes a request on the network and you are woken by "Here Comes
the Sun (Doon-Oon-Doo-Doo)". You shut off the alarm.

After you S, S & S, you pack lunch and hop in the car. On the way to
work, you punch in a few commands on your cell phone and your car
stereo makes a request on the wireless network to play a 24-bit 96K
stream of "Lovely Rita, Meter Maid", much to the consternation of your
car pool pals. Your car radio really has no media or brains. It's
just a dumb terminal of sorts that accepts encrypted code from your
cell phone, makes a wireless request, then streams the data from the
sky. (Come to think of it, let's call it "SkyNet". Hee hee!). Your
radio has a very nice D/A and clean amps to drive your phat speakers.
The sound is fantastic.

At work, you point your cell phone at your computer. It makes a
request to SkyNet with your login. Your OS, apps and files are all
kept at a datacenter. Nonetheless, you boot up in seconds and have a
transparent computer experience as you nudge tables in Excel
v.999999.0.21. Because you are a sneaky *******, you have hooked up a
nice D/A to your computer and bang your head to "Helter Skelter" on
headphones, so as not to irritate your boss.

You drive back home, and upon arrival you point your cell phone at
your stereo system. You can now enjoy "Revolver" for the umpteen
millionth time, streamed wirelessly at 24-bit 96K into a big-ass power
amp and some brain-shattering speakers. OK, you're sick of "Revolver".
You point your cell phone at your home PC, then login into your music
provider. For a few bucks, you add a Robert Johnson record to your
database. One click of the cell phone and it's streaming into your
system. It's yours to keep - everywhere you go. You just need to be
within Bluetooth distance of any private or public streaming D/A
device.

After a few foot-tappin' blues tunes from the master, you point your
remote at your 100-inch SED flat panel and request "Star Wars XVII:
Return of the Attack of the Sith Again". You can now eat some pesto
cheese tortellini and watch that stupid movie. Again.

Sound good?

I think this will be the future. DRM and media/copyright/piracy
problems will be overcome by ubiquitous access to prepaid media.
Microsoft is blue-skying this stuff, and content is already evolving
from CD to bloody iTunes. If we had a truly global ultra-wide
bandwidth SkyNet, all the silliness that currently confronts us will
seem quaint.

As long as access to the SkyNet remains affordable (or even free!),
even the poor will be able to access all the media they like, on
demand. You won't have to pay for TV channels you hate. No more DRM
crap. When you buy a bit of content, it's yours. You just don't have
the media in your physical possession. And who cares, anyway? I sure
don't like fumbling for CD's or driving into town to rent a DVD.

If you think this idea sounds right-on, let me know. All I need is a
few mil to get this start-up off the ground.

- TR
- your eventual media overlord. :0)

[Mark D. Zacharias]

wrote:
For now I am planning on switching to DVD Audio and/or vinyl records.
I'm tired of CD's and MP3's. I can hear better sound & I want better
sound than these stupid things deliver. CD & MP3 are the Domino's
Pizza of music. In the future I would like very high bandwidth music
on either Blue Ray or holographic disks (300gb+). I'd like something
far beyond 24bit/192khz.

Wish MY ears were good enough to tell the difference in a properly designed
double-blind A/B comparison between 16/44 and 24/96.

Mark Z.

[George M. Middius]

Mark duh-duh-duh Borgarias whined:

Wish MY ears were good enough to tell the difference in a properly designed
double-blind A/B comparison between 16/44 and 24/96.

The solution to your dissatisfaction with your organic hearing apparatus
has been explained to you many times, 'borg. Just put in a request to have
Dr. Kroomacher replace them with Hive-approved aural prostheses. Once
you've made this small step -- and it's small because you've already had
your free-will gland excised and your language and logic centers filled
with nanites -- your hearing acuity will equal that of most dogs. No more
sleepless nights fretting about the disconnect between what humans talk
about and what you experience during the aBxism blinding rituals. You'll
be free, 'borg! Go for it!




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