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To Whom it may interest Voice Identification in Music Discs,

Right now I am working in an forensic expert witnssing report on voice
identification of 2 Spanish singers. The story is more or less like
the Milli Vanilli one (in Spanish), but the fraud is still seriously
denied and forensic evidence must be carefully performed on old songs
that I cand send in MP3 format to anybody interested in learning or
teaching how to find differeces between false singer and true one, as
well as a way that can demonstrate that the true one match with
undennied authorships more than 25 years after the Long Play 33 rpm
disc was published.

It is not so easy to analyse the sound in a song using the same tools
than for phone wire-tapping voice identification, but we are doing our
best to develop a new approach for singer identification and I hope to
be ready for some publication. Any help is very welcome and we shall
be pleased to quote the name and the opinions of experts translating
it to Spanish.

Obviously I shall appreciate any reference of fraud in singing, as
well as any comment on voice identification of singers.

Miguel A. Gallardo, engineer and criminologist, expert wtinessing in
Spain
Published references on this topic and on my activities
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/identificaciones/de/voz
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/identificaciones
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/identificaciones/humanas
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/transcriptor
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/oseminti
http://www.cita.es/fonogramas
http://www.cita.es/fonogramas/peritaje.pdf
http://www.cita.es/fonogramas/peritaje.htm
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/habeas/audio
http://www.cita.es/escuchas
http://www.cita.es/transcripciones
http://www.cita.es/autograbaciones
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/teleperito
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/diligencias/previas
http://www.cita.es/escuchados
http://www.cita.es/escuchadores
http://www.cita.es/escuchas/sentencias
http://www.cita.es/sitel
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/capital/riesgo
and, in English, a forensic project on transcription and multimedia
edition at
http://www.cita.es/audiotext

[Six String Stu[_2_]]

wrote in message
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To Whom it may interest Voice Identification in Music Discs,

Right now I am working in an forensic expert witnssing report on voice
identification of 2 Spanish singers. The story is more or less like
the Milli Vanilli one (in Spanish), but the fraud is still seriously
denied and forensic evidence must be carefully performed on old songs
that I cand send in MP3 format to anybody interested in learning or
teaching how to find differeces between false singer and true one, as
well as a way that can demonstrate that the true one match with
undennied authorships more than 25 years after the Long Play 33 rpm
disc was published.

It is not so easy to analyse the sound in a song using the same tools
than for phone wire-tapping voice identification, but we are doing our
best to develop a new approach for singer identification and I hope to
be ready for some publication. Any help is very welcome and we shall
be pleased to quote the name and the opinions of experts translating
it to Spanish.

Obviously I shall appreciate any reference of fraud in singing, as
well as any comment on voice identification of singers.

Miguel A. Gallardo, engineer and criminologist, expert wtinessing in
Spain
Published references on this topic and on my activities
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/identificaciones/de/voz
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/identificaciones
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/identificaciones/humanas
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/transcriptor
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/oseminti
http://www.cita.es/fonogramas
http://www.cita.es/fonogramas/peritaje.pdf
http://www.cita.es/fonogramas/peritaje.htm
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/habeas/audio
http://www.cita.es/escuchas
http://www.cita.es/transcripciones
http://www.cita.es/autograbaciones
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/teleperito
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/diligencias/previas
http://www.cita.es/escuchados
http://www.cita.es/escuchadores
http://www.cita.es/escuchas/sentencias
http://www.cita.es/sitel
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/capital/riesgo
and, in English, a forensic project on transcription and multimedia
edition at
http://www.cita.es/audiotext
Well the context of the message and the placement of same to this particular
NG, coupled with the some of the supporting material has me suspecting that
this is probably not of professional origin.
If not from professional origin then where could it be comming from and what
could the OP's motives be?
I could care less! Spam AFAIK or care.

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On 16 dic, 18:20, "Six String Stu" wrote:
wrote in message

...



To Whom it may interest Voice Identification in Music Discs,

Right now I am working in an forensic expert witnssing report on voice
identification of 2 Spanish singers. The story is more or less like
the Milli Vanilli one (in Spanish), but the fraud is still seriously
denied and forensic evidence must be carefully performed on old songs
that I cand send in MP3 format to anybody interested in learning or
teaching how to find differeces between false singer and true one, as
well as a way that can demonstrate that the true one match with
undennied authorships more than 25 years after the Long Play 33 rpm
disc was published.

It is not so easy to analyse the sound in a song using the same tools
than for phone wire-tapping voice identification, but we are doing our
best to develop a new approach for singer identification and I hope to
be ready for some publication. Any help is very welcome and we shall
be pleased to quote the name and the opinions of experts translating
it to Spanish.

Obviously I shall appreciate any reference of fraud in singing, as
well as any comment on voice identification of singers.

Miguel A. Gallardo, engineer and criminologist, expert wtinessing in
Spain
Published references on this topic and on my activities
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/identificaciones/de/voz
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/identificaciones
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/identificaciones/humanas
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/transcriptor
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/oseminti
http://www.cita.es/fonogramas
http://www.cita.es/fonogramas/peritaje.pdf
http://www.cita.es/fonogramas/peritaje.htm
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/habeas/audio
http://www.cita.es/escuchas
http://www.cita.es/transcripciones
http://www.cita.es/autograbaciones
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/teleperito
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/diligencias/previas
http://www.cita.es/escuchados
http://www.cita.es/escuchadores
http://www.cita.es/escuchas/sentencias
http://www.cita.es/sitel
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/capital/riesgo
and, in English, a forensic project on transcription and multimedia
edition at
http://www.cita.es/audiotext

Well the context of the message and the placement of same to this particular
NG, coupled with the some of the supporting material has me suspecting that
this is probably not of professional origin.
If not from professional origin then where could it be comming from and what
could the OP's motives be?
I could care less! Spam AFAIK or care.- Ocultar texto de la cita -

OK. I respect your opinion. I think that there are many music expert
over here and any of them can ask for the MP3 files with the voices of
2 singers that can be analyzed by anyone interested in this story.

What is really professional for you? I am just looking for people open
to speal about Spanish singers and music rights fraud because a false
authorship of a voice.

It does not matter what you think about me. The point is who would
like to listen to the audio over here.

--
Miguel A. Gallardo en www.cita.es
www.miguelgallardo.es
Tel.: (+34) 914743809 y móvil (+34) 619776475

[Six String Stu[_2_]]

wrote in message
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On 16 dic, 18:20, "Six String Stu" wrote:
miguel619776...@

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Well the context of the message and the placement of same to this
particular
NG, coupled with the some of the supporting material has me suspecting
that
this is probably not of professional origin.
If not from professional origin then where could it be comming from and
what
could the OP's motives be?
I could care less! Spam AFAIK or care.- Ocultar texto de la cita -

OK. I respect your opinion. I think that there are many music expert
over here and any of them can ask for the MP3 files with the voices of
2 singers that can be analyzed by anyone interested in this story.

What is really professional for you? I am just looking for people open
to speal about Spanish singers and music rights fraud because a false
authorship of a voice.

It does not matter what you think about me. The point is who would
like to listen to the audio over here.

--
Miguel A. Gallardo en www.cita.es
www.miguelgallardo.es
Tel.: (+34) 914743809 y móvil (+34) 619776475

My issue with you is that you placed this in every newsgroup that was even
remotely affiliated with recording. Be it professional or amature. There are
some, and I am one, who consider that to be the conduct of a spammer.
Secondly, Making a digital recording off of an LP to a lossy format like mp3
would degrade the evidence and thereby destroy the legal credibility of any
case you might be trying to build. To be fair I have to admit that I have no
motivation in visiting the links provided.
Just a wild guess here but I'm thinking you have run accross some material
that you believe has been ripped off from you or one of your family members
who own the copyrites and wish to pursue a legal remedy. I can't fault you
for that.
Just your methods/ steps that your are taking towards the conclusion of this
case.
Perhaps it would be best to present your case to a proper legal
representative? They would be more likely to get advice from the sharks like
those that feed at RIAA on how best to procede. ;-)

[[email protected]]

On 16 dic, 21:26, "Six String Stu" wrote:
My issue with you is that you placed this in every newsgroup that was even
remotely affiliated with recording. Be it professional or amature. There are
some, and I am one, who consider that to be the conduct of a spammer.

Thanks good I already received 2 e-mails of 2 persons that think very
different.

Secondly, Making a digital recording off of an LP to a lossy format like mp3
would degrade the evidence and thereby destroy the legal credibility of any
case you might be trying to build. To be fair I have to admit that I have no
motivation in visiting the links provided.

MP3 is good enough to disntinguish 2 different singers, but the lawyer
is already asking for the master with 24 input channels with separated
voices. But it takes time and judiciary efforts, so we need to
motivate with the best evidence we can afford.

Just a wild guess here but I'm thinking you have run accross some material
that you believe has been ripped off from you or one of your family members
who own the copyrites and wish to pursue a legal remedy. I can't fault you
for that.

That is not true. I met the singer lawyer some weeks ago. I got the
MP3 last week. I already wrote a preliminary approach to the forensic
problem, but unfortunately it is a draft in Spanish.

Just your methods/ steps that your are taking towards the conclusion of this
case.
Perhaps it would be best to present your case to a proper legal
representative? They would be more likely to get advice from the sharks like
those that feed at RIAA on how best to procede. ;-)

It is a good idea to contact http://www.riaa.com

I shall write to them asking for experiences, but just keep in your
mind that the conflict is in Spain, and with or without any help, I am
doing my best for a singer and a lawyer in something very unusual in
Spanish Courts. Maybe I am making some noise and you consider
everything spam, but I am very open to any new approach and I shall be
pleased to send by e-mail files enough to understand the question to
anybody interested.

Miguel A. Gallardo, engineer and criminologist, expert wtinessing in
Spain
Published references on this topic and on my activities
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/identificaciones/de/voz
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/identificaciones
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/identificaciones/humanas
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/transcriptor
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/oseminti
http://www.cita.es/fonogramas
http://www.cita.es/fonogramas/peritaje.pdf
http://www.cita.es/fonogramas/peritaje.htm
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/habeas/audio
http://www.cita.es/escuchas
http://www.cita.es/transcripciones
http://www.cita.es/autograbaciones
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/teleperito
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/diligencias/previas
http://www.cita.es/escuchados
http://www.cita.es/escuchadores
http://www.cita.es/escuchas/sentencias
http://www.cita.es/sitel
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/capital/riesgo
and, in English, a forensic project on transcription and multimedia
edition at
http://www.cita.es/audiotext

[Six String Stu[_2_]]

wrote in message
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On 16 dic, 21:26, "Six String Stu" wrote:
My issue with you is that you placed this in every newsgroup that was
even
remotely affiliated with recording. Be it professional or amature. There
are
some, and I am one, who consider that to be the conduct of a spammer.

Thanks good I already received 2 e-mails of 2 persons that think very
different.
Well Opinios are like bung holes, everybody has one, and I've shared mine. I
have been wrong so many times in the past that it wouldn't surprise me that
I have misconstru'd your intent on this issue and fit into the latter class
as well. Yet my stand on the NG blasting will stand :-)

Secondly, Making a digital recording off of an LP to a lossy format like
mp3
would degrade the evidence and thereby destroy the legal credibility of
any
case you might be trying to build. To be fair I have to admit that I have
no
motivation in visiting the links provided.

MP3 is good enough to disntinguish 2 different singers, but the lawyer
is already asking for the master with 24 input channels with separated
voices. But it takes time and judiciary efforts, so we need to
motivate with the best evidence we can afford.
In this game "afordability" is key, sad to say. That's ehy the rich keep
winning unless they get too cocky and bold and put themselves in places
where thier money and position cannot protect them. :-(

Just a wild guess here but I'm thinking you have run accross some
material
that you believe has been ripped off from you or one of your family
members
who own the copyrites and wish to pursue a legal remedy. I can't fault
you
for that.

That is not true. I met the singer lawyer some weeks ago. I got the
MP3 last week. I already wrote a preliminary approach to the forensic
problem, but unfortunately it is a draft in Spanish.

Just your methods/ steps that your are taking towards the conclusion of
this
case.
Perhaps it would be best to present your case to a proper legal
representative? They would be more likely to get advice from the sharks
like
those that feed at RIAA on how best to procede. ;-)

It is a good idea to contact http://www.riaa.com

I shall write to them asking for experiences, but just keep in your
mind that the conflict is in Spain, and with or without any help, I am
doing my best for a singer and a lawyer in something very unusual in
Spanish Courts. Maybe I am making some noise and you consider
everything spam, but I am very open to any new approach and I shall be
pleased to send by e-mail files enough to understand the question to
anybody interested.

Miguel A. Gallardo, engineer and criminologist, expert wtinessing in
Spain

I have no knowlege of Spanish law. US law is hard enough to keep track of
with all of it's loop holes. If this person/singer is marketing the product
outside of the county perhaps International trade laws would apply? And then
we are back to needing the financial backing to pursue the issue.

[[email protected]]

On 17 dic, 01:46, "Six String Stu" wrote:
Well Opinios are like bung holes, everybody has one, and I've shared mine. I
have been wrong so many times in the past that it wouldn't surprise me that
I have misconstru'd your intent on this issue and fit into the latter class
as well. Yet my stand on the NG blasting will stand :-)

Please just think that you want to contact Spanish experts on any
topic and select what groups in es.* can be useful for your pourposes.
Right now I appreciate brainstormings about songs voices and
authorship in any country.

MP3 is good enough to disntinguish 2 different singers, but the lawyer
is already asking for the master with 24 input channels with separated
voices. But it takes time and judiciary efforts, so we need to
motivate with the best evidence we can afford.

In this game "afordability" is key, sad to say. That's ehy the rich keep
winning unless they get too cocky and bold and put themselves in places
where thier money and position cannot protect them. :-(

You are right. I am an affordable expert witness that sometimes get
the best against the very rich. At least, I do my best for the poor
and I enjoy a lot when a good job is done for the little money I get.
Moreover, I learn many things just asking questions to the lawyers,
ever if they are inexpensive like me.

I have no knowlege of Spanish law. US law is hard enough to keep track of
with all of it's loop holes. If this person/singer is marketing the product
outside of the county perhaps International trade laws would apply? And then
we are back to needing the financial backing to pursue the issue.

As far as I know, the singer that pretends to sing in a 1985 LP made
many play-backs shows in televisions all over Latin America, and she
is very rich. The owner of the real voice is in very bad financial
shape. Firstly we are making evidence of the Milli Vanilli like
approach in the LP, and after that, the lawyer will ask for rights and
money anywhere. That is why I am listening to that LP now in MP3 in
order to make evidence. You can get the proof in 3 messages, 1 with
undoubted songs of singer A, 1 with other undoubted of B, and 1 with
several that we want to evidence who is the only singer and who is
impossible to believe that is the real singer because acoustic,
phonetic and musicology analysis for forensic pourposes.

Any one else would like to receive some MP3 doubted and undoubted
voice authorship files? No commitment at all, and just for informal
chat about an old Spanish LP of a very famous and beautiful singer
that did not sing everything she sells, in my honest opinion.

Just send me a message by private e-mail for a quick reply with the
attached AUDIO files.

www.miguelgallardo.es
www.cita.es