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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:17:58 +1100, "Bob Saccamano"
wrote: I have a pair of speakers that support bi-wiring and bi-amping. I only have one aplifier. Will I appreciate any improvements in sound by bi-wiring alone? You might. If the wire was expensive enough. But you'd be kidding yourself. |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
In , on 03/01/04
at 01:24 AM, (unitron) said: "Bob Saccamano" wrote in message ... I have a pair of speakers that support bi-wiring and bi-amping. I only have one aplifier. Will I appreciate any improvements in sound by bi-wiring alone? If you run bi-wiring in your situation you will be bypassing the crossover circuitry in your speaker cabinet, thus asking the individual drivers (woofer and tweeter) to try to reproduce frequencies for which they were not designed. [ ... ] No. If a speaker provides bi-wire terminals, there are two independent crossovers inside. (As if there are two independent speakers sharing the same box, designed to operate in parallel as a single [typically 4 or 8 Ohm] unit.) There is a low pass for the woofer and a high pass crossover for the midrange and/or tweeter. In this sort of speaker neither the amplifier or speaker can know and or care if there is a regular or bi-wire connection in use. For a speaker that does not provide external bi-wire connections there may be issues if you attempt to hack the crossover into two pieces. Some crossovers provide an internal jumper that can be removed to split the crossover into two sections. --- About half of the "magic" attributed to improved wiring is caused by the happy side effect of the mechanical trauma associated with removing the old wires and inserting the new wires (scraping away much of the oxides and other contamination that have been slowly degrading the sound). Generally, the external "link" connecting the two crossover sections for users not supplying the two sets of wires is poorly designed and improperly installed. Eliminating that link is an improvement. ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
In , on 03/01/04
at 01:24 AM, (unitron) said: "Bob Saccamano" wrote in message ... I have a pair of speakers that support bi-wiring and bi-amping. I only have one aplifier. Will I appreciate any improvements in sound by bi-wiring alone? If you run bi-wiring in your situation you will be bypassing the crossover circuitry in your speaker cabinet, thus asking the individual drivers (woofer and tweeter) to try to reproduce frequencies for which they were not designed. [ ... ] No. If a speaker provides bi-wire terminals, there are two independent crossovers inside. (As if there are two independent speakers sharing the same box, designed to operate in parallel as a single [typically 4 or 8 Ohm] unit.) There is a low pass for the woofer and a high pass crossover for the midrange and/or tweeter. In this sort of speaker neither the amplifier or speaker can know and or care if there is a regular or bi-wire connection in use. For a speaker that does not provide external bi-wire connections there may be issues if you attempt to hack the crossover into two pieces. Some crossovers provide an internal jumper that can be removed to split the crossover into two sections. --- About half of the "magic" attributed to improved wiring is caused by the happy side effect of the mechanical trauma associated with removing the old wires and inserting the new wires (scraping away much of the oxides and other contamination that have been slowly degrading the sound). Generally, the external "link" connecting the two crossover sections for users not supplying the two sets of wires is poorly designed and improperly installed. Eliminating that link is an improvement. ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
In , on 03/01/04
at 01:24 AM, (unitron) said: "Bob Saccamano" wrote in message ... I have a pair of speakers that support bi-wiring and bi-amping. I only have one aplifier. Will I appreciate any improvements in sound by bi-wiring alone? If you run bi-wiring in your situation you will be bypassing the crossover circuitry in your speaker cabinet, thus asking the individual drivers (woofer and tweeter) to try to reproduce frequencies for which they were not designed. [ ... ] No. If a speaker provides bi-wire terminals, there are two independent crossovers inside. (As if there are two independent speakers sharing the same box, designed to operate in parallel as a single [typically 4 or 8 Ohm] unit.) There is a low pass for the woofer and a high pass crossover for the midrange and/or tweeter. In this sort of speaker neither the amplifier or speaker can know and or care if there is a regular or bi-wire connection in use. For a speaker that does not provide external bi-wire connections there may be issues if you attempt to hack the crossover into two pieces. Some crossovers provide an internal jumper that can be removed to split the crossover into two sections. --- About half of the "magic" attributed to improved wiring is caused by the happy side effect of the mechanical trauma associated with removing the old wires and inserting the new wires (scraping away much of the oxides and other contamination that have been slowly degrading the sound). Generally, the external "link" connecting the two crossover sections for users not supplying the two sets of wires is poorly designed and improperly installed. Eliminating that link is an improvement. ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 10:46:11 -0500, (Barry Mann) wrote:
If a speaker provides bi-wire terminals, there are two independent crossovers inside. I wouldn't be too sure ;-) |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 10:46:11 -0500, (Barry Mann) wrote:
If a speaker provides bi-wire terminals, there are two independent crossovers inside. I wouldn't be too sure ;-) |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 10:46:11 -0500, (Barry Mann) wrote:
If a speaker provides bi-wire terminals, there are two independent crossovers inside. I wouldn't be too sure ;-) |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 10:46:11 -0500, (Barry Mann) wrote:
If a speaker provides bi-wire terminals, there are two independent crossovers inside. I wouldn't be too sure ;-) |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
Laurence Payne wrote: On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 10:46:11 -0500, (Barry Mann) wrote: If a speaker provides bi-wire terminals, there are two independent crossovers inside. I wouldn't be too sure ;-) Which speakers don't have independent crossovers and provide bi-wire terminals? I would be interested in knowing. |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
Laurence Payne wrote: On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 10:46:11 -0500, (Barry Mann) wrote: If a speaker provides bi-wire terminals, there are two independent crossovers inside. I wouldn't be too sure ;-) Which speakers don't have independent crossovers and provide bi-wire terminals? I would be interested in knowing. |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
Laurence Payne wrote: On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 10:46:11 -0500, (Barry Mann) wrote: If a speaker provides bi-wire terminals, there are two independent crossovers inside. I wouldn't be too sure ;-) Which speakers don't have independent crossovers and provide bi-wire terminals? I would be interested in knowing. |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
Laurence Payne wrote: On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 10:46:11 -0500, (Barry Mann) wrote: If a speaker provides bi-wire terminals, there are two independent crossovers inside. I wouldn't be too sure ;-) Which speakers don't have independent crossovers and provide bi-wire terminals? I would be interested in knowing. |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
In article ,
says... I have a pair of speakers that support bi-wiring and bi-amping. I only have one aplifier. Will I appreciate any improvements in sound by bi-wiring alone? Only if the wire you are using is very thin. If you use a thick enough wire, there is no benefit. -------------- Alex |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
In article ,
says... I have a pair of speakers that support bi-wiring and bi-amping. I only have one aplifier. Will I appreciate any improvements in sound by bi-wiring alone? Only if the wire you are using is very thin. If you use a thick enough wire, there is no benefit. -------------- Alex |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
In article ,
says... I have a pair of speakers that support bi-wiring and bi-amping. I only have one aplifier. Will I appreciate any improvements in sound by bi-wiring alone? Only if the wire you are using is very thin. If you use a thick enough wire, there is no benefit. -------------- Alex |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
In article ,
says... I have a pair of speakers that support bi-wiring and bi-amping. I only have one aplifier. Will I appreciate any improvements in sound by bi-wiring alone? Only if the wire you are using is very thin. If you use a thick enough wire, there is no benefit. -------------- Alex |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 07:03:42 GMT, "Matthew Leonhardt"
wrote: An amplifier is capable of delivering higher wattage into lower impedances, hence more loudness. Unfortunately, there *is* no lower impedance, so no more loudness. -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 07:03:42 GMT, "Matthew Leonhardt"
wrote: An amplifier is capable of delivering higher wattage into lower impedances, hence more loudness. Unfortunately, there *is* no lower impedance, so no more loudness. -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 07:03:42 GMT, "Matthew Leonhardt"
wrote: An amplifier is capable of delivering higher wattage into lower impedances, hence more loudness. Unfortunately, there *is* no lower impedance, so no more loudness. -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 07:03:42 GMT, "Matthew Leonhardt"
wrote: An amplifier is capable of delivering higher wattage into lower impedances, hence more loudness. Unfortunately, there *is* no lower impedance, so no more loudness. -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
"Bob Saccamano" wrote in message
... I have a pair of speakers that support bi-wiring and bi-amping. I only have one aplifier. Will I appreciate any improvements in sound by bi-wiring alone? Thanks for everyones replies. I'm still just as confused, even more so, since there really does'nt seem to be any consensus on the issue. Audio is one of those areas where there are so many mistruths, myths and emotions floating around, that all you can trust, and probably should, is your own ears. If *you* think it sounds better, then it does. |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
"Bob Saccamano" wrote in message
... I have a pair of speakers that support bi-wiring and bi-amping. I only have one aplifier. Will I appreciate any improvements in sound by bi-wiring alone? Thanks for everyones replies. I'm still just as confused, even more so, since there really does'nt seem to be any consensus on the issue. Audio is one of those areas where there are so many mistruths, myths and emotions floating around, that all you can trust, and probably should, is your own ears. If *you* think it sounds better, then it does. |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
"Bob Saccamano" wrote in message
... I have a pair of speakers that support bi-wiring and bi-amping. I only have one aplifier. Will I appreciate any improvements in sound by bi-wiring alone? Thanks for everyones replies. I'm still just as confused, even more so, since there really does'nt seem to be any consensus on the issue. Audio is one of those areas where there are so many mistruths, myths and emotions floating around, that all you can trust, and probably should, is your own ears. If *you* think it sounds better, then it does. |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
"Bob Saccamano" wrote in message
... I have a pair of speakers that support bi-wiring and bi-amping. I only have one aplifier. Will I appreciate any improvements in sound by bi-wiring alone? Thanks for everyones replies. I'm still just as confused, even more so, since there really does'nt seem to be any consensus on the issue. Audio is one of those areas where there are so many mistruths, myths and emotions floating around, that all you can trust, and probably should, is your own ears. If *you* think it sounds better, then it does. |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
Bob Saccamano wrote:
"Bob Saccamano" wrote in message ... I have a pair of speakers that support bi-wiring and bi-amping. I only have one aplifier. Will I appreciate any improvements in sound by bi-wiring alone? Thanks for everyones replies. I'm still just as confused, even more so, since there really does'nt seem to be any consensus on the issue. To those who are technically informed, there is consensus. You decide. |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
Bob Saccamano wrote:
"Bob Saccamano" wrote in message ... I have a pair of speakers that support bi-wiring and bi-amping. I only have one aplifier. Will I appreciate any improvements in sound by bi-wiring alone? Thanks for everyones replies. I'm still just as confused, even more so, since there really does'nt seem to be any consensus on the issue. To those who are technically informed, there is consensus. You decide. |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
Bob Saccamano wrote:
"Bob Saccamano" wrote in message ... I have a pair of speakers that support bi-wiring and bi-amping. I only have one aplifier. Will I appreciate any improvements in sound by bi-wiring alone? Thanks for everyones replies. I'm still just as confused, even more so, since there really does'nt seem to be any consensus on the issue. To those who are technically informed, there is consensus. You decide. |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
Bob Saccamano wrote:
"Bob Saccamano" wrote in message ... I have a pair of speakers that support bi-wiring and bi-amping. I only have one aplifier. Will I appreciate any improvements in sound by bi-wiring alone? Thanks for everyones replies. I'm still just as confused, even more so, since there really does'nt seem to be any consensus on the issue. To those who are technically informed, there is consensus. You decide. |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
"Bob Saccamano" wrote in message ... "Bob Saccamano" wrote in message ... I have a pair of speakers that support bi-wiring and bi-amping. I only have one aplifier. Will I appreciate any improvements in sound by bi-wiring alone? Thanks for everyones replies. I'm still just as confused, even more so, since there really does'nt seem to be any consensus on the issue. Audio is one of those areas where there are so many mistruths, myths and emotions floating around, that all you can trust, and probably should, is your own ears. If *you* think it sounds better, then it does. Here's an article that might help: http://sound.westhost.com/cables.htm |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
"Bob Saccamano" wrote in message ... "Bob Saccamano" wrote in message ... I have a pair of speakers that support bi-wiring and bi-amping. I only have one aplifier. Will I appreciate any improvements in sound by bi-wiring alone? Thanks for everyones replies. I'm still just as confused, even more so, since there really does'nt seem to be any consensus on the issue. Audio is one of those areas where there are so many mistruths, myths and emotions floating around, that all you can trust, and probably should, is your own ears. If *you* think it sounds better, then it does. Here's an article that might help: http://sound.westhost.com/cables.htm |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
"Bob Saccamano" wrote in message ... "Bob Saccamano" wrote in message ... I have a pair of speakers that support bi-wiring and bi-amping. I only have one aplifier. Will I appreciate any improvements in sound by bi-wiring alone? Thanks for everyones replies. I'm still just as confused, even more so, since there really does'nt seem to be any consensus on the issue. Audio is one of those areas where there are so many mistruths, myths and emotions floating around, that all you can trust, and probably should, is your own ears. If *you* think it sounds better, then it does. Here's an article that might help: http://sound.westhost.com/cables.htm |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
"Bob Saccamano" wrote in message ... "Bob Saccamano" wrote in message ... I have a pair of speakers that support bi-wiring and bi-amping. I only have one aplifier. Will I appreciate any improvements in sound by bi-wiring alone? Thanks for everyones replies. I'm still just as confused, even more so, since there really does'nt seem to be any consensus on the issue. Audio is one of those areas where there are so many mistruths, myths and emotions floating around, that all you can trust, and probably should, is your own ears. If *you* think it sounds better, then it does. Here's an article that might help: http://sound.westhost.com/cables.htm |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 17:02:46 +1100, "Bob Saccamano"
wrote: "Bob Saccamano" wrote in message ... I have a pair of speakers that support bi-wiring and bi-amping. I only have one aplifier. Will I appreciate any improvements in sound by bi-wiring alone? Thanks for everyones replies. I'm still just as confused, even more so, since there really does'nt seem to be any consensus on the issue. Audio is one of those areas where there are so many mistruths, myths and emotions floating around, that all you can trust, and probably should, is your own ears. If *you* think it sounds better, then it does. Only if you don't *know* what's connected at the time. Confusing, ain't it? :-) -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 17:02:46 +1100, "Bob Saccamano"
wrote: "Bob Saccamano" wrote in message ... I have a pair of speakers that support bi-wiring and bi-amping. I only have one aplifier. Will I appreciate any improvements in sound by bi-wiring alone? Thanks for everyones replies. I'm still just as confused, even more so, since there really does'nt seem to be any consensus on the issue. Audio is one of those areas where there are so many mistruths, myths and emotions floating around, that all you can trust, and probably should, is your own ears. If *you* think it sounds better, then it does. Only if you don't *know* what's connected at the time. Confusing, ain't it? :-) -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 17:02:46 +1100, "Bob Saccamano"
wrote: "Bob Saccamano" wrote in message ... I have a pair of speakers that support bi-wiring and bi-amping. I only have one aplifier. Will I appreciate any improvements in sound by bi-wiring alone? Thanks for everyones replies. I'm still just as confused, even more so, since there really does'nt seem to be any consensus on the issue. Audio is one of those areas where there are so many mistruths, myths and emotions floating around, that all you can trust, and probably should, is your own ears. If *you* think it sounds better, then it does. Only if you don't *know* what's connected at the time. Confusing, ain't it? :-) -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 17:02:46 +1100, "Bob Saccamano"
wrote: "Bob Saccamano" wrote in message ... I have a pair of speakers that support bi-wiring and bi-amping. I only have one aplifier. Will I appreciate any improvements in sound by bi-wiring alone? Thanks for everyones replies. I'm still just as confused, even more so, since there really does'nt seem to be any consensus on the issue. Audio is one of those areas where there are so many mistruths, myths and emotions floating around, that all you can trust, and probably should, is your own ears. If *you* think it sounds better, then it does. Only if you don't *know* what's connected at the time. Confusing, ain't it? :-) -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
Bob Saccamano wrote:
Audio is one of those areas where there are so many mistruths, myths and emotions floating around, that all you can trust, and probably should, is your own ears. If *you* think it sounds better, then it does. It depends on how you define "sounds better." If you mean that it makes you happier, then go for it. If you mean that the sound you hear is materially changed, then it's a very simple matter to measure and quantify it. If it's not measurable, it ain't there. Colin |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
Bob Saccamano wrote:
Audio is one of those areas where there are so many mistruths, myths and emotions floating around, that all you can trust, and probably should, is your own ears. If *you* think it sounds better, then it does. It depends on how you define "sounds better." If you mean that it makes you happier, then go for it. If you mean that the sound you hear is materially changed, then it's a very simple matter to measure and quantify it. If it's not measurable, it ain't there. Colin |
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Bi-wiring - Hogwash?
Bob Saccamano wrote:
Audio is one of those areas where there are so many mistruths, myths and emotions floating around, that all you can trust, and probably should, is your own ears. If *you* think it sounds better, then it does. It depends on how you define "sounds better." If you mean that it makes you happier, then go for it. If you mean that the sound you hear is materially changed, then it's a very simple matter to measure and quantify it. If it's not measurable, it ain't there. Colin |
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