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hi, just got a ortofon 78 stylus for my ortofon om pro carts, (i have
a numark tt 2 pro and gemini pt2400(both have 33, 45 and 78 speeds)
decks also a numark mixer), i have loads of old 78 records that were
given to me, ive never heard a 78 played before and so dont know how
they should sound, ive tried playing them and adjusted the weighting
and height, they sound good but there is a alot of constant crackling
(even though the records look in mint condition) is this crackling
normal? am i damaging the records if there is crackling, or is this
just how 78's sound, i dont mind the crackling just want to make sure
all is well and check im not doing anything wrong.

thanks for your time

kaine
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"kaine" wrote in message
om...
hi, just got a ortofon 78 stylus for my ortofon om pro carts, (i have
a numark tt 2 pro and gemini pt2400(both have 33, 45 and 78 speeds)
decks also a numark mixer), i have loads of old 78 records that were
given to me, ive never heard a 78 played before and so dont know how
they should sound, ive tried playing them and adjusted the weighting
and height, they sound good but there is a alot of constant crackling
(even though the records look in mint condition) is this crackling
normal? am i damaging the records if there is crackling, or is this
just how 78's sound, i dont mind the crackling just want to make sure
all is well and check im not doing anything wrong.

thanks for your time

kaine


If you have the correct stylus and the correct tracking force, you are not
damaging the records. However, most 78's were very noisy. "Scratchy" is how
most people referred to their sound. I used to have lots of my grandparent's
and my parent's 78's of music from the 30's, 40's and 50's, and they all
sounded scratchy and hissy.

Further adding to the confusion is the plethora of different equalization
curves that were used by different manufacturers. With enough research, you
might be able to find out what the recommended equalization was, but then
you'd still have the problem of figuring out how to implement it with a
modern reproducer, which is most likely set up for the RIAA standard that
has been in use since the LP microgroove records were introduced.


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"kaine" wrote in message
om...
hi, just got a ortofon 78 stylus for my ortofon om pro carts, (i have
a numark tt 2 pro and gemini pt2400(both have 33, 45 and 78 speeds)
decks also a numark mixer), i have loads of old 78 records that were
given to me, ive never heard a 78 played before and so dont know how
they should sound, ive tried playing them and adjusted the weighting
and height, they sound good but there is a alot of constant crackling
(even though the records look in mint condition) is this crackling
normal? am i damaging the records if there is crackling, or is this
just how 78's sound, i dont mind the crackling just want to make sure
all is well and check im not doing anything wrong.

thanks for your time

kaine


If you have the correct stylus and the correct tracking force, you are not
damaging the records. However, most 78's were very noisy. "Scratchy" is how
most people referred to their sound. I used to have lots of my grandparent's
and my parent's 78's of music from the 30's, 40's and 50's, and they all
sounded scratchy and hissy.

Further adding to the confusion is the plethora of different equalization
curves that were used by different manufacturers. With enough research, you
might be able to find out what the recommended equalization was, but then
you'd still have the problem of figuring out how to implement it with a
modern reproducer, which is most likely set up for the RIAA standard that
has been in use since the LP microgroove records were introduced.


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"kaine" wrote in message
om...
hi, just got a ortofon 78 stylus for my ortofon om pro carts, (i have
a numark tt 2 pro and gemini pt2400(both have 33, 45 and 78 speeds)
decks also a numark mixer), i have loads of old 78 records that were
given to me, ive never heard a 78 played before and so dont know how
they should sound, ive tried playing them and adjusted the weighting
and height, they sound good but there is a alot of constant crackling
(even though the records look in mint condition) is this crackling
normal? am i damaging the records if there is crackling, or is this
just how 78's sound, i dont mind the crackling just want to make sure
all is well and check im not doing anything wrong.

thanks for your time

kaine


If you have the correct stylus and the correct tracking force, you are not
damaging the records. However, most 78's were very noisy. "Scratchy" is how
most people referred to their sound. I used to have lots of my grandparent's
and my parent's 78's of music from the 30's, 40's and 50's, and they all
sounded scratchy and hissy.

Further adding to the confusion is the plethora of different equalization
curves that were used by different manufacturers. With enough research, you
might be able to find out what the recommended equalization was, but then
you'd still have the problem of figuring out how to implement it with a
modern reproducer, which is most likely set up for the RIAA standard that
has been in use since the LP microgroove records were introduced.


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"kaine" wrote in message
om...
hi, just got a ortofon 78 stylus for my ortofon om pro carts, (i have
a numark tt 2 pro and gemini pt2400(both have 33, 45 and 78 speeds)
decks also a numark mixer), i have loads of old 78 records that were
given to me, ive never heard a 78 played before and so dont know how
they should sound, ive tried playing them and adjusted the weighting
and height, they sound good but there is a alot of constant crackling
(even though the records look in mint condition) is this crackling
normal? am i damaging the records if there is crackling, or is this
just how 78's sound, i dont mind the crackling just want to make sure
all is well and check im not doing anything wrong.

thanks for your time

kaine


If you have the correct stylus and the correct tracking force, you are not
damaging the records. However, most 78's were very noisy. "Scratchy" is how
most people referred to their sound. I used to have lots of my grandparent's
and my parent's 78's of music from the 30's, 40's and 50's, and they all
sounded scratchy and hissy.

Further adding to the confusion is the plethora of different equalization
curves that were used by different manufacturers. With enough research, you
might be able to find out what the recommended equalization was, but then
you'd still have the problem of figuring out how to implement it with a
modern reproducer, which is most likely set up for the RIAA standard that
has been in use since the LP microgroove records were introduced.




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kaine wrote:

hi, just got a ortofon 78 stylus for my ortofon om pro carts, (i have
a numark tt 2 pro and gemini pt2400(both have 33, 45 and 78 speeds)
decks also a numark mixer), i have loads of old 78 records that were
given to me, ive never heard a 78 played before and so dont know how
they should sound, ive tried playing them and adjusted the weighting
and height, they sound good but there is a alot of constant crackling
(even though the records look in mint condition) is this crackling
normal? am i damaging the records if there is crackling, or is this
just how 78's sound, i dont mind the crackling just want to make sure
all is well and check im not doing anything wrong.

thanks for your time

kaine


"Normal" may not be the term to use Certainly if these are not mint
78s there will be much groove noise. Even mint 78s won't be as good as
mint 33 1/3 records. Much of this is a function of the plastic used to
make the record. One would hope that there has been significant
improvement in formulation over some 40 years.

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kaine wrote:

hi, just got a ortofon 78 stylus for my ortofon om pro carts, (i have
a numark tt 2 pro and gemini pt2400(both have 33, 45 and 78 speeds)
decks also a numark mixer), i have loads of old 78 records that were
given to me, ive never heard a 78 played before and so dont know how
they should sound, ive tried playing them and adjusted the weighting
and height, they sound good but there is a alot of constant crackling
(even though the records look in mint condition) is this crackling
normal? am i damaging the records if there is crackling, or is this
just how 78's sound, i dont mind the crackling just want to make sure
all is well and check im not doing anything wrong.

thanks for your time

kaine


"Normal" may not be the term to use Certainly if these are not mint
78s there will be much groove noise. Even mint 78s won't be as good as
mint 33 1/3 records. Much of this is a function of the plastic used to
make the record. One would hope that there has been significant
improvement in formulation over some 40 years.

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kaine wrote:

hi, just got a ortofon 78 stylus for my ortofon om pro carts, (i have
a numark tt 2 pro and gemini pt2400(both have 33, 45 and 78 speeds)
decks also a numark mixer), i have loads of old 78 records that were
given to me, ive never heard a 78 played before and so dont know how
they should sound, ive tried playing them and adjusted the weighting
and height, they sound good but there is a alot of constant crackling
(even though the records look in mint condition) is this crackling
normal? am i damaging the records if there is crackling, or is this
just how 78's sound, i dont mind the crackling just want to make sure
all is well and check im not doing anything wrong.

thanks for your time

kaine


"Normal" may not be the term to use Certainly if these are not mint
78s there will be much groove noise. Even mint 78s won't be as good as
mint 33 1/3 records. Much of this is a function of the plastic used to
make the record. One would hope that there has been significant
improvement in formulation over some 40 years.

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kaine wrote:

hi, just got a ortofon 78 stylus for my ortofon om pro carts, (i have
a numark tt 2 pro and gemini pt2400(both have 33, 45 and 78 speeds)
decks also a numark mixer), i have loads of old 78 records that were
given to me, ive never heard a 78 played before and so dont know how
they should sound, ive tried playing them and adjusted the weighting
and height, they sound good but there is a alot of constant crackling
(even though the records look in mint condition) is this crackling
normal? am i damaging the records if there is crackling, or is this
just how 78's sound, i dont mind the crackling just want to make sure
all is well and check im not doing anything wrong.

thanks for your time

kaine


"Normal" may not be the term to use Certainly if these are not mint
78s there will be much groove noise. Even mint 78s won't be as good as
mint 33 1/3 records. Much of this is a function of the plastic used to
make the record. One would hope that there has been significant
improvement in formulation over some 40 years.

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"Karl Uppiano" wrote in message
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"kaine" wrote in message
om...
hi, just got a ortofon 78 stylus for my ortofon om pro carts, (i have
a numark tt 2 pro and gemini pt2400(both have 33, 45 and 78 speeds)
decks also a numark mixer), i have loads of old 78 records that were
given to me, ive never heard a 78 played before and so dont know how
they should sound, ive tried playing them and adjusted the weighting
and height, they sound good but there is a alot of constant crackling
(even though the records look in mint condition) is this crackling
normal? am i damaging the records if there is crackling, or is this
just how 78's sound, i dont mind the crackling just want to make sure
all is well and check im not doing anything wrong.

thanks for your time

kaine


If you have the correct stylus and the correct tracking force, you are not
damaging the records. However, most 78's were very noisy. "Scratchy" is

how
most people referred to their sound. I used to have lots of my

grandparent's
and my parent's 78's of music from the 30's, 40's and 50's, and they all
sounded scratchy and hissy.

Further adding to the confusion is the plethora of different equalization
curves that were used by different manufacturers. With enough research,

you
might be able to find out what the recommended equalization was, but then
you'd still have the problem of figuring out how to implement it with a
modern reproducer, which is most likely set up for the RIAA standard that
has been in use since the LP microgroove records were introduced.


The equalisation can be dealt with using something like Cool Edit (or
whatever
it is now called) - the devil is in (as Karl says) working out the
equalisation
used.

There's been a _lot_ of work done on recovering decent audio from 78's, I'm
afraid I haven't followed it much (my mother threw away my father's
extensive
collection, unfortunately). One thing I do remember was that there was quite
a
lot of success in using a stereo cartridge and switching between channels to
avoid the "clicks" from the surface defects in the shellac, the crackling
you refer to.

Regards
Ian




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"kaine" wrote in message
om...
hi, just got a ortofon 78 stylus for my ortofon om pro carts, (i have
a numark tt 2 pro and gemini pt2400(both have 33, 45 and 78 speeds)
decks also a numark mixer), i have loads of old 78 records that were
given to me, ive never heard a 78 played before and so dont know how
they should sound, ive tried playing them and adjusted the weighting
and height, they sound good but there is a alot of constant crackling
(even though the records look in mint condition) is this crackling
normal? am i damaging the records if there is crackling, or is this
just how 78's sound, i dont mind the crackling just want to make sure
all is well and check im not doing anything wrong.

thanks for your time

kaine


If you have the correct stylus and the correct tracking force, you are not
damaging the records. However, most 78's were very noisy. "Scratchy" is

how
most people referred to their sound. I used to have lots of my

grandparent's
and my parent's 78's of music from the 30's, 40's and 50's, and they all
sounded scratchy and hissy.

Further adding to the confusion is the plethora of different equalization
curves that were used by different manufacturers. With enough research,

you
might be able to find out what the recommended equalization was, but then
you'd still have the problem of figuring out how to implement it with a
modern reproducer, which is most likely set up for the RIAA standard that
has been in use since the LP microgroove records were introduced.


The equalisation can be dealt with using something like Cool Edit (or
whatever
it is now called) - the devil is in (as Karl says) working out the
equalisation
used.

There's been a _lot_ of work done on recovering decent audio from 78's, I'm
afraid I haven't followed it much (my mother threw away my father's
extensive
collection, unfortunately). One thing I do remember was that there was quite
a
lot of success in using a stereo cartridge and switching between channels to
avoid the "clicks" from the surface defects in the shellac, the crackling
you refer to.

Regards
Ian


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"kaine" wrote in message
om...
hi, just got a ortofon 78 stylus for my ortofon om pro carts, (i have
a numark tt 2 pro and gemini pt2400(both have 33, 45 and 78 speeds)
decks also a numark mixer), i have loads of old 78 records that were
given to me, ive never heard a 78 played before and so dont know how
they should sound, ive tried playing them and adjusted the weighting
and height, they sound good but there is a alot of constant crackling
(even though the records look in mint condition) is this crackling
normal? am i damaging the records if there is crackling, or is this
just how 78's sound, i dont mind the crackling just want to make sure
all is well and check im not doing anything wrong.

thanks for your time

kaine


If you have the correct stylus and the correct tracking force, you are not
damaging the records. However, most 78's were very noisy. "Scratchy" is

how
most people referred to their sound. I used to have lots of my

grandparent's
and my parent's 78's of music from the 30's, 40's and 50's, and they all
sounded scratchy and hissy.

Further adding to the confusion is the plethora of different equalization
curves that were used by different manufacturers. With enough research,

you
might be able to find out what the recommended equalization was, but then
you'd still have the problem of figuring out how to implement it with a
modern reproducer, which is most likely set up for the RIAA standard that
has been in use since the LP microgroove records were introduced.


The equalisation can be dealt with using something like Cool Edit (or
whatever
it is now called) - the devil is in (as Karl says) working out the
equalisation
used.

There's been a _lot_ of work done on recovering decent audio from 78's, I'm
afraid I haven't followed it much (my mother threw away my father's
extensive
collection, unfortunately). One thing I do remember was that there was quite
a
lot of success in using a stereo cartridge and switching between channels to
avoid the "clicks" from the surface defects in the shellac, the crackling
you refer to.

Regards
Ian


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"kaine" wrote in message
om...
hi, just got a ortofon 78 stylus for my ortofon om pro carts, (i have
a numark tt 2 pro and gemini pt2400(both have 33, 45 and 78 speeds)
decks also a numark mixer), i have loads of old 78 records that were
given to me, ive never heard a 78 played before and so dont know how
they should sound, ive tried playing them and adjusted the weighting
and height, they sound good but there is a alot of constant crackling
(even though the records look in mint condition) is this crackling
normal? am i damaging the records if there is crackling, or is this
just how 78's sound, i dont mind the crackling just want to make sure
all is well and check im not doing anything wrong.

thanks for your time

kaine


If you have the correct stylus and the correct tracking force, you are not
damaging the records. However, most 78's were very noisy. "Scratchy" is

how
most people referred to their sound. I used to have lots of my

grandparent's
and my parent's 78's of music from the 30's, 40's and 50's, and they all
sounded scratchy and hissy.

Further adding to the confusion is the plethora of different equalization
curves that were used by different manufacturers. With enough research,

you
might be able to find out what the recommended equalization was, but then
you'd still have the problem of figuring out how to implement it with a
modern reproducer, which is most likely set up for the RIAA standard that
has been in use since the LP microgroove records were introduced.


The equalisation can be dealt with using something like Cool Edit (or
whatever
it is now called) - the devil is in (as Karl says) working out the
equalisation
used.

There's been a _lot_ of work done on recovering decent audio from 78's, I'm
afraid I haven't followed it much (my mother threw away my father's
extensive
collection, unfortunately). One thing I do remember was that there was quite
a
lot of success in using a stereo cartridge and switching between channels to
avoid the "clicks" from the surface defects in the shellac, the crackling
you refer to.

Regards
Ian


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