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Mike Prager wrote in message
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Kalman Rubinson wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 23:38:59 GMT, chung wrote:

Harry Lavo wrote:
It seems
most classical music lovers prefer SACD as sounding more natural.

Again, OSAF.


Most classical music lovers prefer SACD to DVD-A simply because there
is more classical SACD than there is classical DVD-A.


Yes. This classical music lover finds it impossible to get an
impression of classical music on DVD-A, there is so little.
Most of what is there requires a TV to play back, even if one
is uninterested in the video content.


And the paucity of classical (and jazz) DVD-A selections becomes even more
acute when you narrow it down to discs worth listening to. The bottom falls
out. Several times I have asked for recommendations here for worthwhile
DVD-A discs. There have been no takers, even from those that hold out DVD-A
as "superior" to DSD. What specific discs are the basis for their decision?
We know that it is not based on dbts. But certainly some listen was
involved.
Or are decisions as to what is the most worthy replacement for CD being made
strictly on the "numbers"?

Robert C. Lang

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On 4 Feb 2004 20:12:19 GMT, "langvid" wrote:
And the paucity of classical (and jazz) DVD-A selections becomes even more
acute when you narrow it down to discs worth listening to. The bottom falls
out. Several times I have asked for recommendations here for worthwhile
DVD-A discs. There have been no takers, even from those that hold out DVD-A
as "superior" to DSD. What specific discs are the basis for their decision?
We know that it is not based on dbts. But certainly some listen was
involved.
Or are decisions as to what is the most worthy replacement for CD being made
strictly on the "numbers"?


There are some I can heartily recommend:
Ravel/Debussy Qts: Surrounded By
Wagner Overtures: ArtsMusic
Mendelssohn Octet: MDG
Swing Live: Chesky (also on SACD, of course)
Shostakovich Jazz Suites: Naxos
Also, most of the AIX, TaceT and MDG DVD-As are excellent, if you like
the programs.

Kal
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langvid wrote:
Mike Prager wrote in message
...
Kalman Rubinson wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 23:38:59 GMT, chung wrote:

Harry Lavo wrote:
It seems
most classical music lovers prefer SACD as sounding more natural.

Again, OSAF.

Most classical music lovers prefer SACD to DVD-A simply because there
is more classical SACD than there is classical DVD-A.


Yes. This classical music lover finds it impossible to get an
impression of classical music on DVD-A, there is so little.
Most of what is there requires a TV to play back, even if one
is uninterested in the video content.


And the paucity of classical (and jazz) DVD-A selections becomes even more
acute when you narrow it down to discs worth listening to. The bottom falls
out. Several times I have asked for recommendations here for worthwhile
DVD-A discs. There have been no takers, even from those that hold out DVD-A
as "superior" to DSD. What specific discs are the basis for their decision?
We know that it is not based on dbts. But certainly some listen was
involved.
Or are decisions as to what is the most worthy replacement for CD being made
strictly on the "numbers"?


One certainly wouldn't make strictly on *how much software is available*.
Arguments for the *technical* superiority of DVD-A clearly should depend
on 'numbers'.

I own relatively few classical DVD-A OR SACDs. Of the former, my favorites
are areissue of a 1970s recording of Messiaen's 'Turangalila Symphonie' on EMI,
and a disc of electronic works by Morton Subotnik.

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On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 00:11:16 GMT, Steven Sullivan
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One certainly wouldn't make strictly on *how much software is available*.
Arguments for the *technical* superiority of DVD-A clearly should depend
on 'numbers'.


Sure, none of us used that argument. What we said was that there was
a preference for one medium over the other because there was more
enjoyable music available on that medium. Regardless of technical
superiority, the existance of listenable music is essential.

I own relatively few classical DVD-A OR SACDs. Of the former, my favorites
are areissue of a 1970s recording of Messiaen's 'Turangalila Symphonie' on EMI,
and a disc of electronic works by Morton Subotnik.


Yup. I prefer that Turangalila to the newer Chailly SACD.

Kal

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"Kalman Rubinson" wrote in message
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On 4 Feb 2004 20:12:19 GMT, "langvid" wrote:
And the paucity of classical (and jazz) DVD-A selections becomes even

more
acute when you narrow it down to discs worth listening to. The bottom

falls
out. Several times I have asked for recommendations here for worthwhile
DVD-A discs. There have been no takers, even from those that hold out

DVD-A
as "superior" to DSD. What specific discs are the basis for their

decision?
We know that it is not based on dbts. But certainly some listen was
involved.
Or are decisions as to what is the most worthy replacement for CD being

made
strictly on the "numbers"?


There are some I can heartily recommend:
Ravel/Debussy Qts: Surrounded By
Wagner Overtures: ArtsMusic
Mendelssohn Octet: MDG
Swing Live: Chesky (also on SACD, of course)
Shostakovich Jazz Suites: Naxos
Also, most of the AIX, TaceT and MDG DVD-As are excellent, if you like
the programs.

Kal


I'd add to that "The Buena Vista Social Club" DVD-A which is very clean but
is a puzzle to me since I feel it a bit sterile...judge for yourself, as the
music is definitely worth having.


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On 5 Feb 2004 01:07:43 GMT, "Harry Lavo" wrote:

I'd add to that "The Buena Vista Social Club" DVD-A which is very clean but
is a puzzle to me since I feel it a bit sterile...judge for yourself, as the
music is definitely worth having.


Oh, I agree about that but the reason I didn't mention it is that the
Wim Wenders movie (on DVD) is so much more exciting that I switch over
to it in preference to the DVD-A. Wish the DVD sound, per se, was as
good.

Kal


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Kalman Rubinson wrote:

There are some I can heartily recommend:
Ravel/Debussy Qts: Surrounded By
Wagner Overtures: ArtsMusic
Mendelssohn Octet: MDG
Swing Live: Chesky (also on SACD, of course)
Shostakovich Jazz Suites: Naxos
Also, most of the AIX, TaceT and MDG DVD-As are excellent, if you like
the programs.


Kal,

Would you still recommend any or all of those for a DVD-A
playback system that is 2-channel?

Mike
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On 5 Feb 2004 03:08:52 GMT, Mike Prager wrote:

Kalman Rubinson wrote:

There are some I can heartily recommend:
Ravel/Debussy Qts: Surrounded By
Wagner Overtures: ArtsMusic
Mendelssohn Octet: MDG
Swing Live: Chesky (also on SACD, of course)
Shostakovich Jazz Suites: Naxos
Also, most of the AIX, TaceT and MDG DVD-As are excellent, if you like
the programs.


Kal,

Would you still recommend any or all of those for a DVD-A
playback system that is 2-channel?


With the exception of the Chesky, I have not bothered to listen to any
of these in 2-channel. The Chesky is excellent in 2-channel but it's
hard for me to work up real enthusiasm for it when switching to the
MCH track is irresistible.

Kal

Mike

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"langvid" wrote in message
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Mike Prager wrote in message
...
Kalman Rubinson wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 23:38:59 GMT, chung

wrote:

Harry Lavo wrote:
It seems
most classical music lovers prefer SACD as sounding more

natural.

Again, OSAF.

Most classical music lovers prefer SACD to DVD-A simply because

there
is more classical SACD than there is classical DVD-A.


Yes. This classical music lover finds it impossible to get an
impression of classical music on DVD-A, there is so little.
Most of what is there requires a TV to play back, even if one
is uninterested in the video content.


And the paucity of classical (and jazz) DVD-A selections becomes

even more
acute when you narrow it down to discs worth listening to. The

bottom falls
out. Several times I have asked for recommendations here for

worthwhile
DVD-A discs. There have been no takers, even from those that hold

out DVD-A
as "superior" to DSD. What specific discs are the basis for their

decision?
We know that it is not based on dbts. But certainly some listen was
involved.
Or are decisions as to what is the most worthy replacement for CD

being made
strictly on the "numbers"?


It's going to be difficult for any new protocol to replace the CD for
classical music. The sheer volume of works on CD is overwhelming. I
was surprised to find out that all the compositions of all the well
known classical composers have been released on CD at least once. If
you like Mozart or Beethoven, all of their compositions are on CD.
This isn't terribly surprising since both are popular. But you might
be surprised to find out that you can also find all the works of
Poulenc and Dohnanyi, 2 composers with much more limited appeal. I
doubt there will ever be a new physical carrier with that degree of
coverage of the classical canon.

Norm Strong

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Kalman Rubinson wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 00:11:16 GMT, Steven Sullivan
wrote:


One certainly wouldn't make strictly on *how much software is available*.
Arguments for the *technical* superiority of DVD-A clearly should depend
on 'numbers'.


Sure, none of us used that argument. What we said was that there was
a preference for one medium over the other because there was more
enjoyable music available on that medium. Regardless of technical
superiority, the existance of listenable music is essential.


I own relatively few classical DVD-A OR SACDs. Of the former, my favorites
are areissue of a 1970s recording of Messiaen's 'Turangalila Symphonie' on EMI,
and a disc of electronic works by Morton Subotnik.


Yup. I prefer that Turangalila to the newer Chailly SACD.


Haven't heard the Chailly, but I've loved the Previn one for so long
I'm sure I'd be biased against it ;

FWIW, the EMI remastered-from-quad DVD-As is one of two
discs that my Pioneer DV-45a can't do proper bass mgmt for. Works fine
for the Dolby Digital tracks, but not for the DVD-A surround tracks;
it simply will not redirect bass to the sub, for these.
Still don't know why this is (or why it also fails the Chesky
Ultimate Surround 'Bass Mgmt' test, the only other case I've found where
BM isn't working) but addition of an ICBM unit fixes it.

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-S.

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