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I'm getting tired of this discussion, Mike. Haven't we been all the way around it? Only because you don't seem to want to acknowledge you have a claim with no evidence. What claim is that? The one you agree with? |
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"George Middius" wrote in message ... Tom said: It's an idea, and only an idea until proven to be something more. Incorrect. Whether or not differences exist is a state of reality. Differences exist or they don't - whether someone asserts they exist or not - whether someone proves they exist or not. All this "reality" stuff must be terribly confusing for poor Mikey. He doesn't inhabit reality; he inhabits the Argument Zone. It's comfortable for him in there because it's entirely theoretical. Undiscovered facts simply do not exist for Mikey. If they are undiscovered, we can't really consider them yet, now can we you ****? Then prove them and stop complaining about how they are criticised because they have no supporting evidence. Eat me, Mike. I don't have to prove ****. I don't intend to prove ****. Tell your ****ing engineer buddy Arny to prove it. People were criticized for asserting that the world was round, weren't they Mike? Indeed they were, but according to MikeyLogic, the criticisms were invalid. Nobody had yet proven the roundness theory, so MikeyLogic says flatness was the only known state of existence. For a while it was. It would have been irrational to discuss a round earth without evidence. Just simply saying what if the earth is round would have made no sense, just like saying what if there are factors wew don't know about that influence our enjoyment of hi-fi. SFW! if there are such things, then they will be discovered and we will adjust our perception of reality accordingly. The simple fact is that in countless ABX DBT's alleged differences disappear. While you may not consider this as proof that amps, etc sound the same, it is evidence, and it is relaible. Evidence of what? Many people assert they hear differences and when put to the test, they're unable to support their assertions. No argument. When people assert that they're unsatisfied or fatigued after extended listening periods, you have no *evidence* to discount those kinds of assertions. So eat me. Again, you're flouting MikeyLogic. Granted, the barriers to the Argument Zone are somewhat fluid, admitting some logical premises but not others. Mikey "knows" that aBxism has revealed "truth". It's not important how he knows this; he just knows it. From reading about it and from having done some. So any data that might vitiate the "truth" that Mikey "knows" are simply argument fodder, to be quibbled and parsed and caviled until Mikey's opponent loses his temper and begins battering Mikey about the head and shoulders (figuratively or literally). I'm open to discussing anything for which there is evidence. Merely speculating that there might be something we don't know about listening is nothing but mental masturbation, and a pointless excercise. The pro ABX side presents evidence, teh anti-ABX side presents rhetoric, most of it pointlessly nasty. |
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dickless Malesweski writes:
Until now, I wasn't aware that you were seeking an appointment to The Royal Order of Defenders of The Slimey Limey. Best of luck in your quest. Are you aware how dumb you are? Are you aware you just got shown up? Are you aware how ugly you are? Are you aware everyone knows you're reading this? (PLONK!) LOL How's your daddy? ;-D |
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" wrote: Mr. Morein: How goes the FM Listening Survey? My now-dead wife Jane used to make wonderful torte's for me and Bob. Berry. Lemon. Peach. Pennzoil. All the family favourites. Even this loving attention didn't make a whit of difference to my now 53 year old loser son. Any "survey" done by Bob is skewed by the fact that he has no job and nothing else to do but listen to the radio. Facts about my Son, Robert Morein Dr. Sylvan Morein, DDS -- Bob Morein History -- http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/l...ws/4853918.htm Doctoral student takes intellectual property case to Supreme Court By L. STUART DITZEN Philadelphia Inquirer PHILADELPHIA -Even the professors who dismissed him from a doctoral program at Drexel University agreed that Robert Morein was uncommonly smart. They apparently didn't realize that he was uncommonly stubborn too - so much so that he would mount a court fight all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court to challenge his dismissal. The Supremes have already rejected this appeal, btw. "It's a personality trait I have - I'm a tenacious guy," said Morein, a pleasantly eccentric man regarded by friends as an inventive genius. "And we do come to a larger issue here." An "inventive genius" that has never invented anything. And hardly "pleasantly" eccentric. A five-year legal battle between this unusual ex-student and one of Philadelphia's premier educational institutions has gone largely unnoticed by the media and the public. Because no one gives a **** about a 52 year old loser. But it has been the subject of much attention in academia. Drexel says it dismissed Morein in 1995 because he failed, after eight years, to complete a thesis required for a doctorate in electrical and computer engineering. Not to mention the 12 years it took him to get thru high school! BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Morein, 50, of Dresher, Pa., contends that he was dismissed only after his thesis adviser "appropriated" an innovative idea Morein had developed in a rarefied area of thought called "estimation theory" and arranged to have it patented. A contention rejected by three courts. From a 50 YEAR OLD that has done NOTHING PRODUCTIVE with his life. In February 2000, Philadelphia Common Pleas Court Judge Esther R. Sylvester ruled that Morein's adviser indeed had taken his idea. An idea that was worth nothing, because it didn't work. Just like Robert Morein, who has never worked a day in his life. Sylvester held that Morein had been unjustly dismissed and she ordered Drexel to reinstate him or refund his tuition. Funnily enough, Drexel AGREED to reinstate Morein, who rejected the offer because he knew he was and IS a failed loser. Spending daddy's money to cover up his lack of productivity. That brought roars of protest from the lions of academia. There is a long tradition in America of noninterference by the courts in academic decisions. Backed by every major university in Pennsylvania and organizations representing thousands of others around the country, Drexel appealed to the state Superior Court. The appellate court, by a 2-1 vote, reversed Sylvester in June 2001 and restored the status quo. Morein was, once again, out at Drexel. And the time-honored axiom that courts ought to keep their noses out of academic affairs was reasserted. The state Supreme Court declined to review the case and, in an ordinary litigation, that would have been the end of it. But Morein, in a quixotic gesture that goes steeply against the odds, has asked the highest court in the land to give him a hearing. Daddy throws more money down the crapper. His attorney, Faye Riva Cohen, said the Supreme Court appeal is important even if it fails because it raises the issue of whether a university has a right to lay claim to a student's ideas - or intellectual property - without compensation. "Any time you are in a Ph.D. program, you are a serf, you are a slave," said Cohen. Morein "is concerned not only for himself. He feels that what happened to him is pretty common." It's called HIGHER EDUCATION, honey. The students aren't in charge, the UNIVERSITY and PROFESSORS are. Drexel's attorney, Neil J. Hamburg, called Morein's appeal - and his claim that his idea was stolen - "preposterous." "I will eat my shoe if the Supreme Court hears this case," declared Hamburg. "We're not even going to file a response. He is a brilliant guy, but his intelligence should be used for the advancement of society rather than pursuing self-destructive litigation." No **** sherlock. The litigation began in 1997, when Morein sued Drexel claiming that a committee of professors had dumped him after he accused his faculty adviser, Paul Kalata, of appropriating his idea. His concept was considered to have potential value for businesses in minutely measuring the internal functions of machines, industrial processes and electronic systems. The field of "estimation theory" is one in which scientists attempt to calculate what they cannot plainly observe, such as the inside workings of a nuclear plant or a computer. My estimation theory? There is NO brain at work inside the head of Robert Morein, only sawdust. Prior to Morein's dismissal, Drexel looked into his complaint against Kalata and concluded that the associate professor had done nothing wrong. Kalata, through a university lawyer, declined to comment. At a nonjury trial before Sylvester in 1999, Morein testified that Kalata in 1990 had posed a technical problem for him to study for his thesis. It related to estimation theory. Kalata, who did not appear at the trial, said in a 1998 deposition that a Cherry Hill company for which he was a paid consultant, K-Tron International, had asked him to develop an alternate estimation method for it. The company manufactures bulk material feeders and conveyors used in industrial processes. Morein testified that, after much study, he experienced "a flash of inspiration" and came up with a novel mathematical concept to address the problem Kalata had presented. Without his knowledge, Morein said, Kalata shared the idea with K-Tron. K-Tron then applied for a patent, listing Kalata and Morein as co-inventors. Morein said he agreed "under duress" to the arrangement, but felt "locked into a highly disadvantageous situation." As a result, he testified, he became alienated from Kalata. As events unfolded, Kalata signed over his interest in the patent to K-Tron. The company never capitalized on the technology and eventually allowed the patent to lapse. No one made any money from it. Because it was bogus. Even Kalata was mortified that he was a victim of this SCAMSTER, Robert Morein. In 1991, Morein went to the head of Drexel's electrical engineering department, accused Kalata of appropriating his intellectual property, and asked for a new faculty adviser. The staff at Drexel laughed wildly at the ignorance of Robert Morein. He didn't get one. Instead, a committee of four professors, including Kalata, was formed to oversee Morein's thesis work. Four years later, the committee dismissed him, saying he had failed to complete his thesis. So Morein ****s up his first couple years, gets new faculty advisers (a TEAM), and then ****s up again! Brilliant! Morein claimed that the committee intentionally had undermined him. Morein makes LOTS of claims that are nonsense. One look thru the usenet proves it. Judge Sylvester agreed. In her ruling, Sylvester wrote: "It is this court's opinion that the defendants were motivated by bad faith and ill will." So much for political machine judges. The U.S. Supreme Court receives 7,000 appeals a year and agrees to hear only about 100 of them. Hamburg, Drexel's attorney, is betting the high court will reject Morein's appeal out of hand because its focal point - concerning a student's right to intellectual property - was not central to the litigation in the Pennsylvania courts. Morein said he understands it's a long shot, but he feels he must pursue it. Just like all the failed "causes" Morein pursues. Heck, he's been chasing another "Brian McCarthy" for years and yet has ZERO impact on anything. Failure. Look it up in Websters. You'll see a picture of Robert Morein. The poster boy for SCAMMING LOSERS. "I had to seek closure," he said. Without a doctorate, he said, he has been unable to pursue a career he had hoped would lead him into research on artificial intelligence. Who better to tell us about "artificial intelligence". BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! As it is, Morein lives at home with his father and makes a modest income from stock investments. He has written a film script that he is trying to make into a movie. And in the basement of his father's home he is working on an invention, an industrial pump so powerful it could cut steel with a bulletlike stream of water. FAILED STUDENT FAILED MOVIE MAKER FAILED SCREENWRITER FAILED INVESTOR FAILED DRIVER FAILED SON FAILED PARENTS FAILED INVENTOR FAILED PLAINTIFF FAILED HOMOSEXUAL FAILED HUMAN FAILED FAILED But none of it is what he had imagined for himself. "I don't really have a replacement career," Morein said. "It's a very gnawing thing. |
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"Sylvan Morein" wrote in message m... In article t, " wrote: Mr. Morein: How goes the FM Listening Survey? My now-dead wife Jane used to make wonderful torte's for me and Bob. Berry. Lemon. Peach. Pennzoil. All the family favourites. Sorry, Brian. You got it wrong. We are not dessert eaters, and have never made desserts at home. We eat extremely simple food, with a lot of protein, and we all exercise vigorously. We are not gourmets. And the plural of "torte" is "tortes", not "torte's". |
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" wrote in message nk.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... [snip] Oops! Mikey lies again! Try "LieAlot Lozenges". They taste like ****, and they stick in your throat when you try to tell a Big One. How many do you usually take in a day? None, Mikey. Try a little truth serum on your pancakes. You'll be shocked to hear what you say. |
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"sam" wrote in message ... " wrote I'm getting tired of this discussion, Mike. Haven't we been all the way around it? Only because you don't seem to want to acknowledge you have a claim with no evidence. What claim is that? The one you agree with? Sam, you're arguing with something at the level of machine intelligence. Mikey's mantra is that he must repeat this lie, because it helps him believe he knows some little piece of valuable knowledge. The world is littered with broken minds, mental machinery that belongs in a dump, if it isn't already there. |
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"EddieM" wrote in message ... sam wrote NYOB123 wrote snip I'm open to evidence, Arny has some... What evidence are you referring to? That he's an angry person? Except for Mikey, Sam, this subthread is a joy to go through. Mikey is a nutball that is, in inexplicable way, a pleasure to read . Well, sure. Horror is really big in theaters right now. |
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"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote in message ... Robert Morein said: Mikey, you're doing it again. Pretending that someone "admits" something that is to your advantage simply outlines that you are a fool of limited intelligence. Mickey learned that "debating trade" maneuver from the Krooborg. Did you know Mickey thinks of the Krooborg as a "leader"? His word, not mine. I'm sorry nothing can be done about your heredity. If discriminating because of race makes you a racist, and discriminating on sex makes you a sexist, why doesn't discriminating because of genetics make you a geneticist? Mickey's response: "Thank you for admitting you discriminate because of genetics." I see that Mikey is actually copying Arny's "diction". Watching Dr. Strangelove's arm rise to the salute, I realize that the siren of demagogery is in our genes. Do the Krueger Youth sew "X"es on their arms? |
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"ScottW" wrote in message news:%ciLe.359$Ji.305@lakeread02... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... I'm sorry nothing can be done about your heredity. Sounds rather bigoted to me. ScottW I'm sorry. Mikey is "special." |
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" wrote in message nk.net... "George Middius" wrote in message ... [snip] I'm open to discussing anything for which there is evidence. Merely speculating that there might be something we don't know about listening is nothing but mental masturbation, and a pointless excercise. The pro ABX side presents evidence, teh anti-ABX side presents rhetoric, most of it pointlessly nasty. Mikey, before Arny Krueger assembled his box out of second-rate parts, cheapo sound card and undersized relays, people were talking about differences they hear. He is a mere pseudoscientist, a poseur, a fraud, and a charlatan. And that doesn't make all that has gone before false. It's as true as it ever was, which means, as always, it's a mixture. What people think and say about audio is a mixture of true, false, and imagination. But you can't seem to get your head around a concept that isn't a simple "fact." You chose to "follow" Arny because you are a born follower. You never had an original thought in your head. And unfortunately, you picked the wrong person to follow. |
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DummyBorgJr whined: I'm sorry nothing can be done about your heredity. Sounds rather bigoted to me. Yes, how terribly bigoted. We have to stamp out all this bigotry. God knows we're all the same and there are no differences among us. We're all equally smart, and equally talented, and equally musical, and equally logical. Stop all that discriminatory thinking at once! |
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"Robert Morein" wrote in message ... Mikey, before Arny Krueger assembled his box out of second-rate parts, cheapo sound card and undersized relays, people were talking about differences they hear. Fact of the matter is that I assembled my first ABX box in the middle 1970s when there were no sound cards - and not really any PCs, either. The relays were far from being undersized -they were if anything oversized. The parts were mostly mil-spec. For example all of the relays ran off of 28 volts DC, because that was the military standard at the time. And that doesn't make all that has gone before false. It's as true as it ever was, which means, as always, it's a mixture. What people think and say about audio is a mixture of true, false, and imagination. But you can't seem to get your head around a concept that isn't a simple "fact." Muddled thinking, anybody? |
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"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote in message ... Jon Yaeger said: If any one knows of a rebel, non-advertising audio magazine, please tell. I don't think there is one, West. Why don't you start one? He can't. He doesn't have the $30 per month for web hosting. If Middius had a clue about web hosting, he'd know that for $30 one can have a web site for about half a year. http://hostony.com/ I wish that I would have Reaped the web site that Middius threw together for Graham. It was a total train wreck, even as a parody of a train wreck! |
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On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:53:36 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: wrote in message roups.com Mike McKelvy said to John Atkinson: You have yet to adequately address why your magazine has zero oversight on things like Shakti Stones and Mpingo disks, that make people laugh at you when you try to claim any sort of crediblity. They are fraud, and anyone with a shred of integrity would be offended to let the glowing reviews that the dolts at SP penned ever see light of day. (Begin Dance here) The "Atkinson Two-step"! I wonder at Audiophools like Paul Packer and the rest of the Middius dupes who don't seem to understand that SP's economically efficacious promotion of snake oil like Shakti Stones and Mpingo disks, is based on how incredibly easy it is to manipulate sighted evaluations. Don't take my name in vain, Arnie. First, I'm not a Middius dupe, or a Middius anything. Secondly I've never believed in anything more way out than damping spurious vibrations in CD player cases. Over the years I've laughed at most of the 'tweaks'; what you've mentioned above I've never even heard of, and would no doubt laugh harder if I had. Why accuse me of belief in hi-fi voodoo without a shred of evidence? |
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paul packer said: Don't take my name in vain, Arnie. First, I'm not a Middius dupe, or a Middius anything. Secondly I've never believed in anything more way out than damping spurious vibrations in CD player cases. Over the years I've laughed at most of the 'tweaks'; what you've mentioned above I've never even heard of, and would no doubt laugh harder if I had. Why accuse me of belief in hi-fi voodoo without a shred of evidence? Because Mr. Pocker its like you think you, can reject test's without any sicccnecicctfic evadence. Thats called niavate. Thanks Mr. Picker for admitting that you're against sicennece. LOt"S! ;-) |
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"arny krueger" wrote
I wish that I would have Reaped the web site that Middius threw together for Graham. It was a ... parody of a train wreck! Thanks for admitting Mr Krooger, that your website was a train wreck. |
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 07:40:12 -0400, George M. Middius cmndr
[underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote: paul packer said: Don't take my name in vain, Arnie. First, I'm not a Middius dupe, or a Middius anything. Secondly I've never believed in anything more way out than damping spurious vibrations in CD player cases. Over the years I've laughed at most of the 'tweaks'; what you've mentioned above I've never even heard of, and would no doubt laugh harder if I had. Why accuse me of belief in hi-fi voodoo without a shred of evidence? Because Mr. Pocker its like you think you, can reject test's without any sicccnecicctfic evadence. Thats called niavate. Thanks Mr. Picker for admitting that you're against sicennece. LOt"S! ;-) Nice impersonation, George. |
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wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in message oups.com... So I ask again: your poor memory for your own actions notwithstanding, why, in the face of the evidence that I haven't done the things Arny accuses me of, do you cling to your faith that Arny has never told a "flat-out lie"... I won't comment on it until or unless I review the context of the discussion. What's to review? Context. Look it up. Okay, you've now had, what, two days to examine the context. How about an answer to my question, Mr. McKelvy. You made an an unambiguous, unqualified statement that "Arny Krueger has never told a flat-out lie." That I am awarre of. Okay, as there is no factual evidence in the Google record for the untrue statements Arny Krueger has made about me, why are you relying on faith as support for your claim that "Arny Krueger has never told a flat-out lie." I have repeatedly offered you factual evidence that you were incorrect. All you have left to support your position is your unsupported faith in Mr. Krueger's honesty. No comment from Mr. McKelvy. Not that it matters if it weren't for Mr. McMkelvy's much-repeated statement that unlike those he attacks, _he_ is the one who rejects faith and only relies on hard evidence to form his opinions. Yet in this instance, _all_ he has to go on is faith. why you can't hire people who won't get into screaming matches in public, like Fremer did with Nousaine? I am not aware of this happening, Mr. McKelvy. More faith-based projection on your part, I suggest. Fremer does work for you right? Did you ask him? Nousaine reported it in the Audio Critic. Can you give a reference, please. Yes, Michael Fremer did get into a shouting match with Arny Krueger at HE2005, but that was because Mr. Krueger started screaming "Demonstration" at the top of his voice, drowning out Mr. Fremer's reporting of having achieved what he felt to be identification in a blind test of amplifiers that took place at the 1988 AES convention. So Arny wanted proof, what a *******/ Michael was offering what he felt was proof. Arny Krueger drowned out Michael's comments by repeatedly screaming "demonstration" at which Michael also started screaming. Anyway, come on Mr. McKelvy. You made an unambiguous claim, against all the evidence in the Google record, that Arny Krueger has never told a "flat-out lie." I ask again: why do you cling to this belief in face of the evidence that you were wrong? John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile |
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John Atkinson said: Anyway, come on Mr. McKelvy. You made an unambiguous claim, against all the evidence in the Google record, that Arny Krueger has never told a "flat-out lie." I ask again: why do you cling to this belief in face of the evidence that you were wrong? Krooger just told another flat-out lie today when he Kroo-klaimed that I had designed a website for Graham. Maybe Mickey should have said that the Krooborg doesn't tell a flat-out lie in every single post. That would at least appear to be true. |
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"John Atkinson" wrote in message oups.com... wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in message oups.com... So I ask again: your poor memory for your own actions notwithstanding, why, in the face of the evidence that I haven't done the things Arny accuses me of, do you cling to your faith that Arny has never told a "flat-out lie"... I won't comment on it until or unless I review the context of the discussion. What's to review? Context. Look it up. Okay, you've now had, what, two days to examine the context. How about an answer to my question, Mr. McKelvy. You made an an unambiguous, unqualified statement that "Arny Krueger has never told a flat-out lie." That I am awarre of. Okay, as there is no factual evidence in the Google record for the untrue statements Arny Krueger has made about me, why are you relying on faith as support for your claim that "Arny Krueger has never told a flat-out lie." I have repeatedly offered you factual evidence that you were incorrect. All you have left to support your position is your unsupported faith in Mr. Krueger's honesty. No comment from Mr. McKelvy. Not that it matters if it weren't for Mr. McMkelvy's much-repeated statement that unlike those he attacks, _he_ is the one who rejects faith and only relies on hard evidence to form his opinions. Yet in this instance, _all_ he has to go on is faith. why you can't hire people who won't get into screaming matches in public, like Fremer did with Nousaine? I am not aware of this happening, Mr. McKelvy. More faith-based projection on your part, I suggest. Fremer does work for you right? Did you ask him? Nousaine reported it in the Audio Critic. Can you give a reference, please. Yes, Michael Fremer did get into a shouting match with Arny Krueger at HE2005, but that was because Mr. Krueger started screaming "Demonstration" at the top of his voice, drowning out Mr. Fremer's reporting of having achieved what he felt to be identification in a blind test of amplifiers that took place at the 1988 AES convention. So Arny wanted proof, what a *******/ Michael was offering what he felt was proof. Arny Krueger drowned out Michael's comments by repeatedly screaming "demonstration" at which Michael also started screaming. Anyway, come on Mr. McKelvy. You made an unambiguous claim, against all the evidence in the Google record, that Arny Krueger has never told a "flat-out lie." I ask again: why do you cling to this belief in face of the evidence that you were wrong? John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile From http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk...h_goebbels.htm "If you tell a lie, tell a big one." "When the Führer speaks it is like a divine service". |
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"arny krueger" wrote in message ... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... Mikey, before Arny Krueger assembled his box out of second-rate parts, cheapo sound card and undersized relays, people were talking about differences they hear. Fact of the matter is that I assembled my first ABX box in the middle 1970s when there were no sound cards - and not really any PCs, either. The relays were far from being undersized -they were if anything oversized. The parts were mostly mil-spec. For example all of the relays ran off of 28 volts DC, because that was the military standard at the time. And that doesn't make all that has gone before false. It's as true as it ever was, which means, as always, it's a mixture. What people think and say about audio is a mixture of true, false, and imagination. But you can't seem to get your head around a concept that isn't a simple "fact." Muddled thinking, anybody? Realistic, not simplistic. |
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 05:29:14 -0400, "arny krueger"
wrote: I wish that I would have Reaped the web site that Middius threw together for Graham. It was a total train wreck, even as a parody of a train wreck! Thanks for admiting that your site is a "train wreck". |
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paul packer said: Why accuse me of belief in hi-fi voodoo without a shred of evidence? Because Mr. Pocker its like you think you, can reject test's without any sicccnecicctfic evadence. Thats called niavate. Thanks Mr. Picker for admitting that you're against sicennece. LOt"S! ;-) Nice impersonation, George. Thank you. Krooglish is pretty easy to mock. Try it and see. :-) |
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"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message ... In rec.audio.opinion west wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Mike McKelvy said to John Atkinson: You have yet to adequately address why your magazine has zero oversight on things like Shakti Stones and Mpingo disks, that make people laugh at you when you try to claim any sort of crediblity. They are fraud, and anyone with a shred of integrity would be offended to let the glowing reviews that the dolts at SP penned ever see light of day. Remember the days when Harry Pearson, et al, would say things like, "This is the same crap that XYZ has been putting out ..." I suppose money wins out in the end because you can't bite the hand that feeds you. If any one knows of a rebel, non-advertising audio magazine, please tell. Cordially, west here you go: http://www.theaudiocritic.com/cwo/Web_Zine/ Interesting article comparing Atkinson to Dr. Zaius, from Planet of the Apes. |
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"paul packer" wrote in message ... On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 07:40:12 -0400, George M. Middius cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote: Because Mr. Pocker its like you think you, can reject test's without any sicccnecicctfic evadence. Thats called niavate. Thanks Mr. Picker for admitting that you're against sicennece. LOt"S! ;-) Nice impersonation, George. Nice suck-up job, Paul. |
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"John Atkinson" wrote in message oups.com... wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in message oups.com... So I ask again: your poor memory for your own actions notwithstanding, why, in the face of the evidence that I haven't done the things Arny accuses me of, do you cling to your faith that Arny has never told a "flat-out lie"... I won't comment on it until or unless I review the context of the discussion. What's to review? Context. Look it up. Okay, you've now had, what, two days to examine the context. How about an answer to my question, Mr. McKelvy. What makes you think I spend my free time, my liesure time trying to figure out who's telling the truth. You made an an unambiguous, unqualified statement that "Arny Krueger has never told a flat-out lie." That I am awarre of. Okay, as there is no factual evidence in the Google record for the untrue statements Arny Krueger has made about me, why are you relying on faith as support for your claim that "Arny Krueger has never told a flat-out lie." I made that statement before you mentioned the alleged lies. I don't see any reason to investigate your personal feud, at least not aty this time, particularly since the only reason you bring it up is to take the spotlight off yourself, and your con game magazine. why you can't hire people who won't get into screaming matches in public, like Fremer did with Nousaine? I am not aware of this happening, Mr. McKelvy. More faith-based projection on your part, I suggest. Fremer does work for you right? Did you ask him? Nousaine reported it in the Audio Critic. Can you give a reference, please. Yes, Michael Fremer did get into a shouting match with Arny Krueger at HE2005, but that was because Mr. Krueger started screaming "Demonstration" at the top of his voice, drowning out Mr. Fremer's reporting of having achieved what he felt to be identification in a blind test of amplifiers that took place at the 1988 AES convention. So Arny wanted proof, what a *******/ Michael was offering what he felt was proof. Bull****, he was offering an unsupported anedcote. Arny Krueger drowned out Michael's comments by repeatedly screaming "demonstration" at which Michael also started screaming. Fremer likes to scream when challenged. He doesn't handle the truth very well. When are you going to admit that you and all the other clowns at SP already know that ABX is quite suitable for determing subtle differences and that in most cases there really aren't any? Shall we call you Dr. Zaius from now on? |
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" wrote in message nk.net... "Steven Sullivan" wrote in message ... here you go: http://www.theaudiocritic.com/cwo/Web_Zine/ Interesting article comparing Atkinson to Dr. Zaius, from Planet of the Apes. If you listen to Atkinson's and Middius' version of Science, it is clearly from an alternative universe. Sighted Listening tests - the same technology that gave us Green CD pens, Shakti stones and Mpingo disks. |
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"Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message nk.net... "George Middius" wrote in message ... [snip] I'm open to discussing anything for which there is evidence. Merely speculating that there might be something we don't know about listening is nothing but mental masturbation, and a pointless excercise. The pro ABX side presents evidence, teh anti-ABX side presents rhetoric, most of it pointlessly nasty. Mikey, before Arny Krueger assembled his box out of second-rate parts, cheapo sound card and undersized relays, people were talking about differences they hear. And he was one of them. He put the abx box together to prove that differences DO exist, you ****ing moron. He is a mere pseudoscientist, a poseur, a fraud, and a charlatan. And that doesn't make all that has gone before false. It's as true as it ever was, which means, as always, it's a mixture. What people think and say about audio is a mixture of true, false, and imagination. But you can't seem to get your head around a concept that isn't a simple "fact." You can't seem to get your head around the fact that things either sound different or not. There are reliable ways to discover if there are differences, and one of them is ABX. You chose to "follow" Arny because you are a born follower. You never had an original thought in your head. And unfortunately, you picked the wrong person to follow. A. I'm not following him, we simply agree on the validity of DBT's for audio. B. I have original thoughts all the time, just not about a hack like you. C. You don't know science any better than you know the law or the size of that telescope. |
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"Robert Morein" wrote in message ... "arny krueger" wrote in message ... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... Mikey, before Arny Krueger assembled his box out of second-rate parts, cheapo sound card and undersized relays, people were talking about differences they hear. Fact of the matter is that I assembled my first ABX box in the middle 1970s when there were no sound cards - and not really any PCs, either. The relays were far from being undersized -they were if anything oversized. The parts were mostly mil-spec. For example all of the relays ran off of 28 volts DC, because that was the military standard at the time. And that doesn't make all that has gone before false. It's as true as it ever was, which means, as always, it's a mixture. What people think and say about audio is a mixture of true, false, and imagination. But you can't seem to get your head around a concept that isn't a simple "fact." Muddled thinking, anybody? Realistic, not simplistic. Many pieces of audio gear sound the same. Realistic and simplistic, not to mention absolutely true. |
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"sam" wrote in message ... " wrote I'm getting tired of this discussion, Mike. Haven't we been all the way around it? Only because you don't seem to want to acknowledge you have a claim with no evidence. What claim is that? The one you agree with? The one that there might be some unknown that affects human enjoyment of audio. |
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"Robert Morein" wrote in message ... "sam" wrote in message ... " wrote I'm getting tired of this discussion, Mike. Haven't we been all the way around it? Only because you don't seem to want to acknowledge you have a claim with no evidence. What claim is that? The one you agree with? Sam, you're arguing with something at the level of machine intelligence. Mikey's mantra is that he must repeat this lie, because it helps him believe he knows some little piece of valuable knowledge. The world is littered with broken minds, mental machinery that belongs in a dump, if it isn't already there. Could you put yourself out on the curb, we'll have you picked up and disposed of, along with all the other anti-reason, audio trash. |
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"Robert Morein" wrote in message ... "ScottW" wrote in message news:%ciLe.359$Ji.305@lakeread02... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... I'm sorry nothing can be done about your heredity. Sounds rather bigoted to me. ScottW I'm sorry. Mikey is "special." The typical tactic from someone who already knows he's lost. Claim the opponent is inferior or defective. Demean them and maybe it won't make you feel like such an idiot, even though you've demonstrated repeatedly that you are simply a sore loser. |
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"John Atkinson" wrote in message ups.com... I am not aware of this happening, Mr. McKelvy. More faith-based projection on your part, I suggest. Yes, Michael Fremer did get into a shouting match with Arny Krueger at HE2005, but that was because Mr. Krueger started screaming "Demonstration" at the top of his voice, drowning out Mr. Fremer's reporting of having achieved what he felt to be identification in a blind test of amplifiers that took place at the 1988 AES convention. Wow, and I was there. Such a convincing story. Fremer was squealing loudly like a stuck pig, about that 17-year-old demonstration. I only raised my voice so that I could hear myself speak. Fremer's problem was that in any shouting match, the balance of vocal power is likely to be on my side. Anybody with a brain, who doesn't also read Fremer's Stereophile articles is probably asking themselves why Fremer is such a captive of the distant past. People who read Stereophile know the sad truth. It's how he is, and its how Atkinson has been rewarding him for being. |
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Mike McKelvy said to the Slimey Limey:
snipped I don't see any reason to investigate your personal feud [with Arny Krueger], at least not at this time, particularly since the only reason you bring it up is to take the spotlight off yourself, and your con game magazine. So you noticed that, too, eh? more snippage When are you going to admit that you and all the other clowns at SP already know that ABX is quite suitable for determing subtle differences and that in most cases there really aren't any? Any day now, I'm sure.... Shall we call you Dr. Zaius from now on? Let's not slander the poor ape! ;-) |
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"Robert Morein" wrote in message ... "arny krueger" wrote in message ... "Robert Morein" blatantly lied in message ... Mikey, before Arny Krueger assembled his box out of second-rate parts, cheapo sound card and undersized relays, people were talking about differences they hear. Fact of the matter is that I assembled my first ABX box in the middle 1970s when there were no sound cards - and not really any PCs, either. The relays were far from being undersized -they were if anything oversized. The parts were mostly mil-spec. For example all of the relays ran off of 28 volts DC, because that was the military standard at the time. And that doesn't make all that has gone before false. It's as true as it ever was, which means, as always, it's a mixture. What people think and say about audio is a mixture of true, false, and imagination. But you can't seem to get your head around a concept that isn't a simple "fact." Muddled thinking, anybody? Realistic, not simplistic. It's quite amazing how being caught in three lies in quick succession doesn't phase you, Robert. How do you sear your conscience so thoroughly? |
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" wrote in message nk.net... I don't see any reason to investigate your personal feud, at least not at this time, particularly since the only reason you bring it up is to take the spotlight off yourself, and your con game magazine. Good call. John seems to want everybody to think that he's so gentle that butter won't melt in his mouth. But he has shown his true personality in the past with posts like this one: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...74d1ae24a1ed78 "Except that I didn't deny accusing Mr. Krueger of plagiarism. Instead I voiced my suspicion that Mr. Krueger is insane. "Insane. Or at least delusional. "Insane. Or at least someone who believes he can read minds. "Insane "Insane, Or at least paranoid. "Perhaps dangerously paranoid. |
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EnvyBorg turns green. Nice impersonation, George. Nice suck-up job, Paul. Can anybody remember the last time somebody complimented Arnii for being clever? Anybody? Anybody at all.....? |
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Mickey, have you been chasing your cockroach platter with toad skins? Arny Krueger drowned out Michael's comments by repeatedly screaming "demonstration" at which Michael also started screaming. Fremer likes to scream when challenged. He doesn't handle the truth very well. Has anybody else noticed how difficult it is to predict the next impossibly stupid thing Mikey will say? I swear, after he called the Krooborg a "leader", I thought the limit had been reached. Then he called Arnii "supremely confident", and I was flabbergasted. Then he topped that by claiming Arnii never lies, and I nearly fell off my chair. Now Mikey tells us that the Krooborg's obnoxious haranguing of Fremer was "the truth" and implies that Fremer is too sensitive for reponding in kind. Mickey, do you have any idea how you look to Normals? Seriously, do you? |
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