when performing live... (or anything in the early 90s), and using a
wireless mic, would using that be able to let this happen:

"a singer was singing live with a wireless mic, and had the mic a good
distance from his mouth but still in front of him... maybe at arms
length or a little less, and it still sounded as if his mouth was right
up next to mic... and not further off. when using the regular mic, it
wasnt like that, you could tell it was at a distance."

could a wireless mic cause it to sound as if his mouth was right up
against it as opposed to further away?

this was regarding a live concert movie. not a bootleg.. but an
official release and nothing else really seemed to be questionable.

wrote:

when performing live... (or anything in the early 90s), and using a
wireless mic, would using that be able to let this happen:

"a singer was singing live with a wireless mic, and had the mic a good
distance from his mouth but still in front of him... maybe at arms
length or a little less, and it still sounded as if his mouth was right
up next to mic... and not further off. when using the regular mic, it
wasnt like that, you could tell it was at a distance."

How do you know that the one he was holding was actually the mic in use?

I have solved problems with poor mic technique before now by fitting a
separate lapel and bodypack "as a backup", then using that rather then the
"main" mic.

Not something I would do to well trained talent, but sometimes it makes for
a better show all round. This is especially true of acts that use the mic
as a prop!

There is nothing particularly special about the fact that a mic has a radio
connected to it, except that it costs you reliability & noise performance.

Radio mics are a fallback of last resort unless you have a LOT of money to
spend, good wireless is NOT cheap and cheap wireless (say sub £1500 each)
is not normally good), and even then you are better off with a £15 cable!

HTH.

Regards, Dan.

Dan Mills wrote:
wrote:


How do you know that the one he was holding was actually the mic in use?

What do you mean? I saw it.. he was singing into it. well towards it at
that point. He was leaving the mainstage by himself.. and headed
towards the B stage way out in the middle of the audience.

This is a professional band. u2 to be precise in their live concert
movie "Zoo TV Live in Sydney".


So, I dont know what they do/use.

wrote:



Dan Mills wrote:
wrote:


How do you know that the one he was holding was actually the mic in use?

What do you mean? I saw it.. he was singing into it. well towards it at
that point. He was leaving the mainstage by himself.. and headed
towards the B stage way out in the middle of the audience.

You saw a mic, but it was possibly not the only one! There are very small
mics made for theatre/film/TV use which are installed in the hairline/over
the ear/in clothing and can be almost invisible.

For a gig like that, especially for the film sound, I could well see a lapel
being used.

Look at the countryman B6 or some of the DPA products for modern examples of
the kind of thing I am talking about.

This is a professional band. u2 to be precise in their live concert
movie "Zoo TV Live in Sydney".

One other thing which is very common on "Live" albums and I assume also on
film is to multitrack the gig then go back to the studio and overdub almost
everything except the crowd noise! Just another possibility. I would not be
at all surprised if at least some overdubs were done for something like
this.

So, I dont know what they do/use.

Plenty of possibilities for turning this trick.

Regards, Dan.

wrote:

when performing live... (or anything in the early 90s), and using a
wireless mic, would using that be able to let this happen:

"a singer was singing live with a wireless mic, and had the mic a
good distance from his mouth but still in front of him... maybe at
arms length or a little less, and it still sounded as if his mouth
was right up next to mic... and not further off. when using the
regular mic, it wasnt like that, you could tell it was at a
distance."

could a wireless mic cause it to sound as if his mouth was right up
against it as opposed to further away?



The fact that it was a wireless mic seems irrelevant. I can't think of
any way that using radio waves to transmit the signal instead of wire
would account for that effect. Unless the compander circuit of the
particular wireless system in question improved gain-before-feedback
somehow, but that seems unlikely.

Much more likely that the directional pattern of the head on the
wireless was much tighter than the wired mic. That would allow for more
gain before feedback, so the mic could be cranked up a bit more when it
was further away from his mouth.

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

(Remove spamblock to reply)

were these extra body mics (like on clothes/hair, etc) common practice
back in the early 90s, like 92-93?

how would the qualuty be?

also, can a mic be able to pick up an OK amount of vocals at that
length/distance? not where it sounds so close, but a good amount other
than distance vocals?

normaloil wrote ...
also, can a mic be able to pick up an OK amount of vocals at that
length/distance? not where it sounds so close, but a good amount other
than distance vocals?

If you want to post THE SAME questions in multiple newsgroups
(like rec.audio.pro and rec.audio.tech) please use cross-posting
so we don't have to deal with the same question over and over.

On Sun, 29 May 2005 12:14:13 GMT, "Lorin David Schultz"
wrote:

The fact that it was a wireless mic seems irrelevant. I can't think of
any way that using radio waves to transmit the signal instead of wire
would account for that effect. Unless the compander circuit of the
particular wireless system in question improved gain-before-feedback
somehow, but that seems unlikely.

Much more likely that the directional pattern of the head on the
wireless was much tighter than the wired mic. That would allow for more
gain before feedback, so the mic could be cranked up a bit more when it
was further away from his mouth.

Are we talking about just volume? I assumed he was hearing other
characteristics of a close mic - proximity effect and breath noise.

In article .com writes:

"a singer was singing live with a wireless mic, and had the mic a good
distance from his mouth but still in front of him... maybe at arms
length or a little less, and it still sounded as if his mouth was right
up next to mic... and not further off. when using the regular mic, it
wasnt like that, you could tell it was at a distance."

could a wireless mic cause it to sound as if his mouth was right up
against it as opposed to further away?

Absolutely not. Your eyes were seeing a performance. Your ears were
hearing a recording of something else.

Ain't modern technology wonderful? You can fool most of the people
most of the time.

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