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[John Byrns, this is for you:]
On Jan 18, 5:47*pm, Andre Jute wrote: In response to my desire for a bike with 60-622 Big Apples, Rohloff, low stepover, lugged steel, Chalo wrote: Utopia I've since bought a Utopia Kranich (Crane) and made three photo essays of it in the ten days since it arrived: Photos, description, outfitting:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...ranich%20Drool... History of Crossframe-mixte and how it works plus something about the special lugs Utopia uses:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...ranich%20A%20L... Those gold coachlines on my bike were painted by a man who's 89 years young and spent almost all of them in the bicycle industry:http://members..lycos.co.uk/fiultra/...ranich%20Meest... Enjoy! Andre Jute When it is time for a man to have a new bike, it is timehttp://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20%26%20CYCLING.html |
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On Jan 18, 1:36*pm, Jon Yaeger wrote:
in article , Andre Jute at wrote on 1/18/09 1:19 PM: [John Byrns, this is for you:] On Jan 18, 5:47*pm, Andre Jute wrote: In response to my desire for a bike with 60-622 Big Apples, Rohloff, low stepover, lugged steel, Chalo wrote: Utopia I've since bought a Utopia Kranich (Crane) and made three photo essays of it in the ten days since it arrived: Photos, description, outfitting:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...20Kranich%20Dr ool... History of Crossframe-mixte and how it works plus something about the special lugs Utopia uses:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...ranich%20A%20L... Those gold coachlines on my bike were painted by a man who's 89 years young and spent almost all of them in the bicycle industry:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...Kranich%20Mees t... Enjoy! Andre Jute When it is time for a man to have a new bike, it is timehttp://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20%26%20CYCLING.html That's very special, Andre. What does all of this have to do with tubes, except perhaps the frame??- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Jon: You need to know by now that Andre can't help it. John is his public water-carrier, amanuensis and apologist and he needs to point that out as well as gather attention. To this end he will cross-post, lie, blather and outright lie as the mood suits him. Remember. That Andre does it (whatever it might be) makes it notable and of historic importance and value. It is not enough to simply send John an e-mail and leave the rest of the world out of it. What a maroon! Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
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On Jan 18, 6:36*pm, Jon Yaeger wrote:
in article , Andre Jute at wrote on 1/18/09 1:19 PM: [John Byrns, this is for you:] On Jan 18, 5:47*pm, Andre Jute wrote: In response to my desire for a bike with 60-622 Big Apples, Rohloff, low stepover, lugged steel, Chalo wrote: Utopia I've since bought a Utopia Kranich (Crane) and made three photo essays of it in the ten days since it arrived: Photos, description, outfitting:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...20Kranich%20Dr ool... History of Crossframe-mixte and how it works plus something about the special lugs Utopia uses:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...ranich%20A%20L... Those gold coachlines on my bike were painted by a man who's 89 years young and spent almost all of them in the bicycle industry:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...Kranich%20Mees t... Enjoy! Andre Jute When it is time for a man to have a new bike, it is timehttp://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20%26%20CYCLING.html That's very special, Andre. What does all of this have to do with tubes, except perhaps the frame?? John recently mentioned on RAT that he was interested in taking up cycling. -- AJ |
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, Andre Jute wrote: [John Byrns, this is for you:] On Jan 18, 5:47*pm, Andre Jute wrote: In response to my desire for a bike with 60-622 Big Apples, Rohloff, low stepover, lugged steel, Chalo wrote: Utopia I've since bought a Utopia Kranich (Crane) and made three photo essays of it in the ten days since it arrived: Photos, description, outfitting:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...%20Kranich%20D rool... History of Crossframe-mixte and how it works plus something about the special lugs Utopia uses:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...ranich%20A%20L.. . Those gold coachlines on my bike were painted by a man who's 89 years young and spent almost all of them in the bicycle industry:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...0Kranich%20Mee st... Enjoy! Andre Jute When it is time for a man to have a new bike, it is timehttp://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20%26%20CYCLING.html Hi Andre, I meant to respond to your earlier post on this subject, thought about it until it slipped my mind. Here are my thoughts on what I am looking for, basically something along the lines of the "English" bike I had in my early teens. Specific features, high handlebars, and gears in the hub. more recently I had a "racing" style bike and didn't like the low handlebars derailleur gears. I don't particularly care for the "Unisex" frame the bike in the first link below has. I have checked several of the local bike shops asking about hub gears and they seem to have never heard of such a thing, just more and more speeds with the derailleur gears, I surely don't need 21 speeds like seems to be the norm. -- Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/ |
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Byrns at wrote on 1/18/09 6:27 PM: In article , Andre Jute wrote: [John Byrns, this is for you:] On Jan 18, 5:47*pm, Andre Jute wrote: In response to my desire for a bike with 60-622 Big Apples, Rohloff, low stepover, lugged steel, Chalo wrote: Utopia I've since bought a Utopia Kranich (Crane) and made three photo essays of it in the ten days since it arrived: Photos, description, outfitting:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...%20Kranich%20D rool... History of Crossframe-mixte and how it works plus something about the special lugs Utopia uses:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...ranich%20A%20L.. . Those gold coachlines on my bike were painted by a man who's 89 years young and spent almost all of them in the bicycle industry:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...0Kranich%20Mee st... Enjoy! Andre Jute When it is time for a man to have a new bike, it is timehttp://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20%26%20CYCLING.html Hi Andre, I meant to respond to your earlier post on this subject, thought about it until it slipped my mind. Here are my thoughts on what I am looking for, basically something along the lines of the "English" bike I had in my early teens. Specific features, high handlebars, and gears in the hub. more recently I had a "racing" style bike and didn't like the low handlebars derailleur gears. I don't particularly care for the "Unisex" frame the bike in the first link below has. I have checked several of the local bike shops asking about hub gears and they seem to have never heard of such a thing, just more and more speeds with the derailleur gears, I surely don't need 21 speeds like seems to be the norm. That's very nice, John. Do you know the difference between Usenet groups and personal e-mail? Or what purpose a blog serves? |
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Jon Yaeger wrote:
in article , John Byrns at wrote on 1/18/09 6:27 PM: In article , Andre Jute wrote: [John Byrns, this is for you:] On Jan 18, 5:47 pm, Andre Jute wrote: In response to my desire for a bike with 60-622 Big Apples, Rohloff, low stepover, lugged steel, Chalo wrote: Utopia I've since bought a Utopia Kranich (Crane) and made three photo essays of it in the ten days since it arrived: Photos, description, outfitting:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...%20Kranich%20D rool... History of Crossframe-mixte and how it works plus something about the special lugs Utopia uses:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...ranich%20A%20L.. . Those gold coachlines on my bike were painted by a man who's 89 years young and spent almost all of them in the bicycle industry:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...0Kranich%20Mee st... Enjoy! Andre Jute When it is time for a man to have a new bike, it is timehttp://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20%26%20CYCLING.html Hi Andre, I meant to respond to your earlier post on this subject, thought about it until it slipped my mind. Here are my thoughts on what I am looking for, basically something along the lines of the "English" bike I had in my early teens. Specific features, high handlebars, and gears in the hub. more recently I had a "racing" style bike and didn't like the low handlebars derailleur gears. I don't particularly care for the "Unisex" frame the bike in the first link below has. I have checked several of the local bike shops asking about hub gears and they seem to have never heard of such a thing, just more and more speeds with the derailleur gears, I surely don't need 21 speeds like seems to be the norm. That's very nice, John. Do you know the difference between Usenet groups and personal e-mail? Or what purpose a blog serves? Is that any way to speak to those who are better than us? -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 LOCAL CACTUS EATS CYCLIST - datakoll |
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On Jan 18, 11:27*pm, John Byrns wrote:
In article , *Andre Jute wrote: [John Byrns, this is for you:] On Jan 18, 5:47*pm, Andre Jute wrote: In response to my desire for a bike with 60-622 Big Apples, Rohloff, low stepover, lugged steel, Chalo wrote: Utopia I've since bought a Utopia Kranich (Crane) and made three photo essays of it in the ten days since it arrived: Photos, description, outfitting:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...%20Kranich%20D rool... History of Crossframe-mixte and how it works plus something about the special lugs Utopia uses:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...ranich%20A%20L.. . Those gold coachlines on my bike were painted by a man who's 89 years young and spent almost all of them in the bicycle industry:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...0Kranich%20Mee st... Enjoy! Andre Jute When it is time for a man to have a new bike, it is timehttp://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20%26%20CYCLING.html Hi Andre, I meant to respond to your earlier post on this subject, thought about it until it slipped my mind. Here are my thoughts on what I am looking for, basically something along the lines of the "English" bike I had in my early teens. *Specific features, high handlebars, and gears in the hub. *more recently I had a "racing" style bike and didn't like the low handlebars derailleur gears. * I don't particularly care for the "Unisex" frame the bike in the first link below has. *I have checked several of the local bike shops asking about hub gears and they seem to have never heard of such a thing, just more and more speeds with the derailleur gears, I surely don't need 21 speeds like seems to be the norm. -- Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, *http://fmamradios.com/ Horses for courses, feller. The English Roadster is still hanging on, being made by Pashley in England, and I think Raleigh still sells a version, even called the "Roadster" in the States, complete with hub gearbox and a hub dynamo to drive the lights (or at least the front light). Good hub gears are made by Shimano under the name Nexus (I have two of those and very good they are too) or Alfine for the sports versions and by SRAM. You can see my Nexus-equipped bikes he http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...20Bauhaus.html (down the page, not where I'm flexing muscles in the summer) and http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...%20Smover.html -- it's just the same thing with a stepper motor and a CP added to make it automatic. Those bikes, derived from the English roadster, belong to the class of the so-called Dutch city bike or, in its slightly more sporting versions, town and country bike. There are American versions by Electra and Breezer and no doubt others. They both have the same Nexus hub transmission I have, and the bikes are functionally the same as my two Nexus bikes. The guys on RBT will soon come up with suitable bikes across a price range that should be available by mailorder or even locally. One RBT contributor ordered an Electra Amsterdam Royal 8 through a Chicago dealer. So, yes, what you want, while probably not in the window or even on the shelf at your local bike store, is made and available and has been spotted in reliable hands. Hub gears is a subculture, and so are balloon tyres. Ask if you want to know anything. I'd be delighted to make a small return for all your help on electronics over the years, and there is nothing the chums on RBT like better than spending someone else's money by speccing up bike for him. Andre Jute http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...20CYCLING.html |
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"John Byrns" wrote in message ... In article , Andre Jute wrote: [John Byrns, this is for you:] On Jan 18, 5:47 pm, Andre Jute wrote: In response to my desire for a bike with 60-622 Big Apples, Rohloff, low stepover, lugged steel, Chalo wrote: Utopia I've since bought a Utopia Kranich (Crane) and made three photo essays of it in the ten days since it arrived: Photos, description, outfitting:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...%20Kranich%20D rool... History of Crossframe-mixte and how it works plus something about the special lugs Utopia uses:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...ranich%20A%20L.. . Those gold coachlines on my bike were painted by a man who's 89 years young and spent almost all of them in the bicycle industry:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...0Kranich%20Mee st... Enjoy! Andre Jute When it is time for a man to have a new bike, it is timehttp://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20%26%20CYCLING.html Hi Andre, I meant to respond to your earlier post on this subject, thought about it until it slipped my mind. Here are my thoughts on what I am looking for, basically something along the lines of the "English" bike I had in my early teens. Specific features, high handlebars, and gears in the hub. more recently I had a "racing" style bike and didn't like the low handlebars derailleur gears. I don't particularly care for the "Unisex" frame the bike in the first link below has. I have checked several of the local bike shops asking about hub gears and they seem to have never heard of such a thing, just more and more speeds with the derailleur gears, I surely don't need 21 speeds like seems to be the norm. John. I had a bike like that too, made by Raleight in Nottingham, England. The gears in a hub are made by Sturmey Archer. http://www.sturmey-archer.com/ Best regards Iain |
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"Iain Churches" wrote: "John Byrns" wrote in message ... In article , Andre Jute wrote: [John Byrns, this is for you:] On Jan 18, 5:47 pm, Andre Jute wrote: In response to my desire for a bike with 60-622 Big Apples, Rohloff, low stepover, lugged steel, Chalo wrote: Utopia I've since bought a Utopia Kranich (Crane) and made three photo essays of it in the ten days since it arrived: Photos, description, outfitting:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...pia%20Kranich% 20D rool... History of Crossframe-mixte and how it works plus something about the special lugs Utopia uses:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...Kranich%20A%20 L.. . Those gold coachlines on my bike were painted by a man who's 89 years young and spent almost all of them in the bicycle industry:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...a%20Kranich%20 Mee st... Enjoy! Andre Jute When it is time for a man to have a new bike, it is timehttp://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20%26%20CYCLING.html Hi Andre, I meant to respond to your earlier post on this subject, thought about it until it slipped my mind. Here are my thoughts on what I am looking for, basically something along the lines of the "English" bike I had in my early teens. Specific features, high handlebars, and gears in the hub. more recently I had a "racing" style bike and didn't like the low handlebars derailleur gears. I don't particularly care for the "Unisex" frame the bike in the first link below has. I have checked several of the local bike shops asking about hub gears and they seem to have never heard of such a thing, just more and more speeds with the derailleur gears, I surely don't need 21 speeds like seems to be the norm. John. I had a bike like that too, made by Raleight in Nottingham, England. The gears in a hub are made by Sturmey Archer. http://www.sturmey-archer.com/ Hi Iain, Yes, here in the US Raleigh was the largest selling brand of "English" bike. I thought Sturmey Archer was long gone, I wonder who owns them today and where their stuff is built. The eight speed hub is interesting in that it seems to follow a different pattern than the three and five speed hubs which appear to be derivatives of the older Sturmey Archer hubs. -- Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/ |
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"John Byrns" wrote in message ... In article , "Iain Churches" wrote: John. I had a bike like that too, made by Raleight in Nottingham, England. The gears in a hub are made by Sturmey Archer. http://www.sturmey-archer.com/ Yes, here in the US Raleigh was the largest selling brand of "English" bike. I thought Sturmey Archer was long gone, I wonder who owns them today and where their stuff is built. The eight speed hub is interesting in that it seems to follow a different pattern than the three and five speed hubs which appear to be derivatives of the older Sturmey Archer hubs. Hi John. My own experience is with the five speed only. How was the eight-speed implemented? Where there four speeds on one control, and then hi and low on a second? Iain |
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On Jan 20, 8:36*am, "Iain Churches" wrote:
"John Byrns" wrote in message ... In article , "Iain Churches" wrote: John. *I had a bike like that too, made by Raleight in Nottingham, England. The gears in a hub are made by Sturmey Archer. http://www.sturmey-archer.com/ Yes, here in the US Raleigh was the largest selling brand of "English" bike. *I thought Sturmey Archer was long gone, I wonder who owns them today and where their stuff is built. *The eight speed hub is interesting in that it seems to follow a different pattern than the three and five speed hubs which appear to be derivatives of the older Sturmey Archer hubs. Hi John. *My own experience is with the five speed only. How was the eight-speed implemented? *Where there four speeds on one control, and then hi and low on a second? Iain The revival of the hub gearbox was led by the Shimano Nexus, which for practical purposes is eight straight gears, though there is a perceptible if very small discontinuity between gears 4 and 5; it is essentially two four-speed boxes side by side but with *a single rotary control*. The Rohloff gearbox on my new Utopia Kranich is conceptually two seven-speed gearboxes side by side but again with a single rotary control. Andre Jute http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...20CYCLING.html |
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"Iain Churches" wrote: "John Byrns" wrote in message ... In article , "Iain Churches" wrote: John. I had a bike like that too, made by Raleight in Nottingham, England. The gears in a hub are made by Sturmey Archer. http://www.sturmey-archer.com/ Yes, here in the US Raleigh was the largest selling brand of "English" bike. I thought Sturmey Archer was long gone, I wonder who owns them today and where their stuff is built. The eight speed hub is interesting in that it seems to follow a different pattern than the three and five speed hubs which appear to be derivatives of the older Sturmey Archer hubs. Hi John. My own experience is with the five speed only. How was the eight-speed implemented? Where there four speeds on one control, and then hi and low on a second? Hi Iain, I don't know, I am just going by the Sturmey Archer link you provided above. I will have to see if it is possible to figure it out from Technical Information on the web site, I am curious exactly how the eight speed works. -- Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/ |
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Sturmey Archer, SRAM and Shimano IGH, was Come visit Andre's UtopiaKranich
On Jan 19, 9:30*pm, John Byrns wrote:
In article , *"Iain Churches" wrote: "John Byrns" wrote in message ... In article , Andre Jute wrote: [John Byrns, this is for you:] On Jan 18, 5:47 pm, Andre Jute wrote: In response to my desire for a bike with 60-622 Big Apples, Rohloff, low stepover, lugged steel, Chalo wrote: Utopia I've since bought a Utopia Kranich (Crane) and made three photo essays of it in the ten days since it arrived: Photos, description, outfitting:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...pia%20Kranich% 20D rool... History of Crossframe-mixte and how it works plus something about the special lugs Utopia uses:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...Kranich%20A%20 L.. . Those gold coachlines on my bike were painted by a man who's 89 years young and spent almost all of them in the bicycle industry:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...a%20Kranich%20 Mee st... Enjoy! Andre Jute When it is time for a man to have a new bike, it is timehttp://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20%26%20CYCLING.html Hi Andre, I meant to respond to your earlier post on this subject, thought about it until it slipped my mind. Here are my thoughts on what I am looking for, basically something along the lines of the "English" bike I had in my early teens. *Specific features, high handlebars, and gears in the hub. *more recently I had a "racing" style bike and didn't like the low handlebars derailleur gears. I don't particularly care for the "Unisex" frame the bike in the first link below has. *I have checked several of the local bike shops asking about hub gears and they seem to have never heard of such a thing, just more and more speeds with the derailleur gears, I surely don't need 21 speeds like seems to be the norm. John. *I had a bike like that too, made by Raleight in Nottingham, England. The gears in a hub are made by Sturmey Archer. http://www.sturmey-archer.com/ Hi Iain, Yes, here in the US Raleigh was the largest selling brand of "English" bike. *I thought Sturmey Archer was long gone, I wonder who owns them today and where their stuff is built. *The eight speed hub is interesting in that it seems to follow a different pattern than the three and five speed hubs which appear to be derivatives of the older Sturmey Archer hubs. -- Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, *http://fmamradios.com/ Can someone lay out the relationship between the current hub gearboxes and the historical Sturmey-Archer, please. Andre Jute http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...20CYCLING.html |
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Wrong group.
Note that a recent Harvard study suggests a connection between bicycling and erectile dysfunction. Not that it makes any difference in Andre's case as his problem is more or less related to lack of blood to the brain due to a swollen head, not his nether regions. Those haven't seen blood since the 1980s. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
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Sturmey Archer, SRAM and Shimano IGH, was Come visit Andre's UtopiaKranich
Andre Jute wrote: On Jan 19, 9:30 pm, John Byrns wrote: In article , "Iain Churches" wrote: "John Byrns" wrote in message ... In article , Andre Jute wrote: [John Byrns, this is for you:] On Jan 18, 5:47 pm, Andre Jute wrote: In response to my desire for a bike with 60-622 Big Apples, Rohloff, low stepover, lugged steel, Chalo wrote: Utopia I've since bought a Utopia Kranich (Crane) and made three photo essays of it in the ten days since it arrived: Photos, description, outfitting:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...pia%20Kranich% 20D rool... History of Crossframe-mixte and how it works plus something about the special lugs Utopia uses:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...Kranich%20A%20 L.. . Those gold coachlines on my bike were painted by a man who's 89 years young and spent almost all of them in the bicycle industry:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...a%20Kranich%20 Mee st... Enjoy! Andre Jute When it is time for a man to have a new bike, it is timehttp://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20%26%20CYCLING.html Hi Andre, I meant to respond to your earlier post on this subject, thought about it until it slipped my mind. Here are my thoughts on what I am looking for, basically something along the lines of the "English" bike I had in my early teens. Specific features, high handlebars, and gears in the hub. more recently I had a "racing" style bike and didn't like the low handlebars derailleur gears. I don't particularly care for the "Unisex" frame the bike in the first link below has. I have checked several of the local bike shops asking about hub gears and they seem to have never heard of such a thing, just more and more speeds with the derailleur gears, I surely don't need 21 speeds like seems to be the norm. John. I had a bike like that too, made by Raleight in Nottingham, England. The gears in a hub are made by Sturmey Archer. http://www.sturmey-archer.com/ Hi Iain, Yes, here in the US Raleigh was the largest selling brand of "English" bike. I thought Sturmey Archer was long gone, I wonder who owns them today and where their stuff is built. The eight speed hub is interesting in that it seems to follow a different pattern than the three and five speed hubs which appear to be derivatives of the older Sturmey Archer hubs. -- Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/ Can someone lay out the relationship between the current hub gearboxes and the historical Sturmey-Archer, please. Good question to those who turn a pedal a bit. But don't ask me. Its been about 45 years since I had a bike with a 3 speed Sturmey Archer gearbox. And I was such a slow cyclist then......plod plod I went all around the country dirt roads in the Windsor Richmond area of unpopulated outer Sydney environs and the Hawksbury River of 1963. I hadn't discovered speed. What a beautiful uncluttered town Sydney was back then, but all gone now. I recall marvelling when I pulled the gearbox apart and re-assembled it. But now I might not bother with hub gears and I prefer a Shimano mountain bike rear cassette with 8 speeds 11 to 28, touring de-raileur, and Shimano compact 50-34 front chainrings, SORA levers. I can comfortably ride up 12% climbs, and only puff and swear mediumly rather than wrecking knees by pressing too hard on the pedals at a cadence that's way too low. Meanwhile I can pedal furiously down hill at 70kph+. I went for a little 130k ride to Gunning, NSW, last Sunday, and had a nice cuppa at The Merino cafe. In the district of Gunning sheep farmers favour Merino sheep and get silly prices for their prize winning fine wool that finds its way into the very best Italian suits that hardly anyone could afford unless you are a prime minister, CEO of a mining company, or the president of the Shimano Corp. ( The boom in bike sales must be making Mr Shimano frightfully rich..) He, he, 8 of 'em in the bunch I rode with went past me up hills on the way out. I let 'em go. They love wrecking their knees, and act totally maschistically; I won't let them wreck mine. The bunch of 9 are mainly young whipper-snappers in their 40s or early 50s still trying to prove how fast they can ride uphill and blow themselves up without noticing the bucolic scenery. Then during the return ride they all seemed to slow and by the 120k mark only one of 'em could barely stay ahead of me, and I was first to return to the start of the ride. This other dude and I have frames of steel 20yr+ old; I have the 8 speed SORA, the other dude has a 6 speed old cluster with lever on the down tube. When fresh, he's one of the fastest guys uphill though, despite carrying the extra 3Kg of "old bike penalty". Who said carbon fibre makes you go faster? And missing from the bunch was a guy of 62 who has an even heavier steel clunker and he weighs only 65Kg himself, yet he can stay up with all but one in the bunch. I told him that if he ever changed to a decent carbon fibre frame he could get the weight down about 5 Kg, and this **would make** a considerable difference to his speed up-hill. This other dude he cannot stay with is the local veteran time trial champion and he wouldn't keep bounding away like a furious kangaroo on a promise. I'm wondering if you can combine a hub gear set up to perform as easily as an indexed system but without paying a penalty in efficiency or weight??? One advantage would be that the hub gears mean the rear wheel spokes are not "dished" to give room for a cassette. Thus spokes on the "dished side" don't need to be so tight and hence they'd not break so often. Hmm, come to think of it, hub gears would make sense for a dirt bike, or hybrid road-dirt type because the dirt road dust wouldn't be so difficult to deal with and the rear wheel is inherently stronger for where you really need it, ie, on dirt roads and bush tracks. AFAIK, not a single rider in our bunch uses hub gears.... And not one owns a recumbent. Do old habits die hard? Maybe not, and I even like Brooks saddles. Patrick Turner. Andre Jute http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...20CYCLING.html |
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