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Pair McIntosh C8 Mono Preamp 12AX7 Tubes Excellent C-8
Item number: 300093857630

Ships to: Worldwide
Item location: Oakland, CA, United States
History: 3 bids
High bidder: philiptube8888( 234Feedback score is 100 to 499)
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Feedback: 100% Positive


Offered for sale is a wonderful pair (two pieces) of vintage McIntosh
C8 mono preamplifiers (Record Compensator), each uses 3 pieces of
12AX7 tubes. The one in wood cabinet is in gorgeous condition inside
and out. The faceplate is particularly clean and shiny; case is in
excellent shape too. Some scratches on the wood cabinet. The second
one is not in wood cabinet; not as good as the first one but quite
decent too. The pictures show some white stuff on some knobs of the
2nd preamp. That is just kind of chalk, and can be cleaned easily.

All knobs are original. Tubes are mix of makes.

These preamps draw power from Mac power amps. The power cords
(unbelievably thick) for that purpose are included. There is another
AC power cord that powers the AC sockets in the back. One is good and
the other one is essentially all gone. I am selling them untested, and
in "as is" condition.

Personal check or money order. No Paypal. Some recent buyers won my
listings and forced me to use Paypal. Please, if you intend to use
Paypal only, do no bid on my listings.
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Pair McIntosh C8 Mono Preamp 12AX7 Tubes Excellent C-8
Item number: 300093857630

Ships to: Worldwide
Item location: Oakland, CA, United States
History: 3 bids
High bidder: philiptube8888( 234Feedback score is 100 to 499)
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Seller: audio.hut( 9 )
Feedback: 100% Positive


Offered for sale is a wonderful pair (two pieces) of vintage McIntosh
C8 mono preamplifiers (Record Compensator), each uses 3 pieces of
12AX7 tubes. The one in wood cabinet is in gorgeous condition inside
and out. The faceplate is particularly clean and shiny; case is in
excellent shape too. Some scratches on the wood cabinet. The second
one is not in wood cabinet; not as good as the first one but quite
decent too. The pictures show some white stuff on some knobs of the
2nd preamp. That is just kind of chalk, and can be cleaned easily.

All knobs are original. Tubes are mix of makes.

These preamps draw power from Mac power amps. The power cords
(unbelievably thick) for that purpose are included. There is another
AC power cord that powers the AC sockets in the back. One is good and
the other one is essentially all gone. I am selling them untested, and
in "as is" condition.

Personal check or money order. No Paypal. Some recent buyers won my
listings and forced me to use Paypal. Please, if you intend to use
Paypal only, do no bid on my listings.
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Michael A. Terrell wrote:
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On Mar 25, 10:43 am, WindsorFox wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
This is not a "For sale" newsgroup, nor are Ebay auctions permitted.


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Exactly to which of the three cross posted groups do you refer?


The original post never made it to Google PERIOD

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On Mar 25, 10:43 am, WindsorFox wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
This is not a "For sale" newsgroup, nor are Ebay auctions permitted.


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Exactly to which of the three cross posted groups do you refer?


The original post never made it to Google PERIOD


Sure it did, forget the "PERIOD", try he

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a.../ad2ab09d12fa5
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On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 09:26:09 -0500, John Byrns
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On what authority do you say that mention of eBay auctions is not
permitted on this news group? I suggest you familiarize yourself with
the charter for this group, you can find a copy in the "CFV" he

http://fmamradios.com/CFV-rar+p.txt




You may want to check eBays TOS and rules about spamming Usenet, and
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On Mar 25, 10:26�am, John Byrns wrote:
On what authority do you say that mention of eBay auctions is not
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the charter for this group, you can find a copy in the "CFV" he

http://fmamradios.com/CFV-rar+p.txt

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Pair McIntosh C8 Mono Preamp 12AX7 Tubes Excellent C-8
* *Item number: 300093857630


Ships to: *Worldwide
Item location: * * Oakland, CA, United States
History: * 3 bids
High bidder: * * * philiptube8888( 234Feedback score is 100 to 499)
You can also:
* *Get alerts via Text message, IM or Cell phone
Email to a friend
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Starting time: * * Mar-21-07 10:19:38 PDT
Starting bid: * * *US $9.99
Duration: *7-day listing


Meet the seller
Seller: * *audio.hut( 9 )
Feedback: *100% Positive


Offered for sale is a wonderful pair (two pieces) of vintage McIntosh
C8 mono preamplifiers (Record Compensator), each uses 3 pieces of
12AX7 tubes. The one in wood cabinet is in gorgeous condition inside
and out. The faceplate is particularly clean and shiny; case is in
excellent shape too. Some scratches on the wood cabinet. The second
one is not in wood cabinet; not as good as the first one but quite
decent too. The pictures show some white stuff on some knobs of the
2nd preamp. That is just kind of chalk, and can be cleaned easily.


All knobs are original. Tubes are mix of makes.


These preamps draw power from Mac power amps. The power cords
(unbelievably thick) for that purpose are included. There is another
AC power cord that powers the AC sockets in the back. One is good and
the other one is essentially all gone. I am selling them untested, and
in "as is" condition.


Personal check or money order. No Paypal. Some recent buyers won my
listings and forced me to use Paypal. Please, if you intend to use
Paypal only, do no bid on my listings.
* * * * * *Select a picture
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CHARTER

Discussion of the use, repair, and collecting of early standard-
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On Mar 25, 3:01�pm, John Byrns wrote:
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*"thisjukeboxplays33rpm" wrote:
On Mar 25, 10:43 am, WindsorFox wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
This is not a "For sale" newsgroup, nor are Ebay auctions permitted.


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* * Exactly to which of the three cross posted groups do you refer?


The original post never made it to Google PERIOD


Sure it did, forget the "PERIOD", try he

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a.../msg/ad2ab09d1...
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yep. he was good enough not to only post a link, he cut and pasted the
entire ad. wonderful.

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In article ,
PeterD wrote:

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 09:26:09 -0500, John Byrns
wrote:

On what authority do you say that mention of eBay auctions is not
permitted on this news group? I suggest you familiarize yourself with
the charter for this group, you can find a copy in the "CFV" he

http://fmamradios.com/CFV-rar+p.txt


You may want to check eBays TOS and rules about spamming Usenet, and
the fact it is *NOT* allowed.


I took a look at eBay's rules as you suggested, and there are two
problems with your statement above. The first problem is that eBay
doesn't even mention the term "usenet" any where in their rules, at
least their search function says something to the effect that no
information is available on "usenet". They do however have a lot of
rules relating to "spam" on other venues, which assuming the anti "spam"
rules apply to "usenet", raises the interesting question of what the
formal definition of "spam" might be? One man's "spam" is often another
man's treasure, in the case of "usenet" it appears that people are prone
to call most any post they don't like "spam".


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On Mar 25, 3:27 pm, John Byrns wrote:
In article ,

PeterD wrote:
On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 09:26:09 -0500, John Byrns
wrote:


On what authority do you say that mention of eBay auctions is not
permitted on this news group? I suggest you familiarize yourself with
the charter for this group, you can find a copy in the "CFV" he


http://fmamradios.com/CFV-rar+p.txt


You may want to check eBays TOS and rules about spamming Usenet, and
the fact it is *NOT* allowed.


I took a look at eBay's rules as you suggested, and there are two
problems with your statement above. The first problem is that eBay
doesn't even mention the term "usenet" any where in their rules, at
least their search function says something to the effect that no
information is available on "usenet". They do however have a lot of
rules relating to "spam" on other venues, which assuming the anti "spam"
rules apply to "usenet", raises the interesting question of what the
formal definition of "spam" might be? One man's "spam" is often another
man's treasure, in the case of "usenet" it appears that people are prone
to call most any post they don't like "spam".

Regards,

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Let's see--this is supposed to bring up the eBay is out to screw us to
make money and doesn't give a patootie theories, followed by lots of
yelling and DesertBoB, 3 others causing a flame war of the three
groups this is posting to.

Let's not give a damn and say we did?

Muchos garcias.



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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
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This is not a "For sale" newsgroup, nor are Ebay auctions permitted.


.... I guess he forgot to say " Not Mine" on the title line ...


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Eddie Brimer wrote:

On Mar 25, 3:01�pm, John Byrns wrote:
In article . com,





"thisjukeboxplays33rpm" wrote:
On Mar 25, 10:43 am, WindsorFox wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
This is not a "For sale" newsgroup, nor are Ebay auctions permitted.


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Exactly to which of the three cross posted groups do you refer?


The original post never made it to Google PERIOD


Sure it did, forget the "PERIOD", try he

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a.../msg/ad2ab09d1...
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yep. he was good enough not to only post a link, he cut and pasted the
entire ad. wonderful.



I reported the spam and posted it to the newsgroups at the same time.


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WindsorFox wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
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Exactly to which of the three cross posted groups do you refer?



Gee, is it really that hard to figure out? If you can't figure it
out ask nicely, and I'll tell you.


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yep. he was good enough not to only post a link, he cut and pasted the
entire ad. wonderful.



I reported the spam and posted it to the newsgroups at the same time.



Number one, it's not spam. It's not "mass or bulk." It's not
commercial, it's a private eBay auction. It might be abuse depending on
the group, but where I am in rec.audio.marketplace it certainly isn't.
In rec.audio.tubes it is not uncommon to see a FS or FA ad as long as it
is a private person, not a commercial ad. And lastly as far as the
antique radio group, it's on topic there and I would imagine that
private, non-commercial ads grace that group from time to time as well,
I've not read the charter or FAQs for that group. So, will you be
reporting your own abuse as well?
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PeterD wrote:
On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 09:26:09 -0500, John Byrns
wrote:

On what authority do you say that mention of eBay auctions is not
permitted on this news group? I suggest you familiarize yourself with
the charter for this group, you can find a copy in the "CFV" he

http://fmamradios.com/CFV-rar+p.txt




You may want to check eBays TOS and rules about spamming Usenet, and
the fact it is *NOT* allowed.



You may want to check the definition of "spam."


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John Byrns wrote:
In article ,
PeterD wrote:

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 09:26:09 -0500, John Byrns
wrote:

On what authority do you say that mention of eBay auctions is not
permitted on this news group? I suggest you familiarize yourself with
the charter for this group, you can find a copy in the "CFV" he

http://fmamradios.com/CFV-rar+p.txt

You may want to check eBays TOS and rules about spamming Usenet, and
the fact it is *NOT* allowed.


I took a look at eBay's rules as you suggested, and there are two
problems with your statement above. The first problem is that eBay
doesn't even mention the term "usenet" any where in their rules, at
least their search function says something to the effect that no
information is available on "usenet". They do however have a lot of
rules relating to "spam" on other venues, which assuming the anti "spam"
rules apply to "usenet", raises the interesting question of what the
formal definition of "spam" might be? One man's "spam" is often another
man's treasure, in the case of "usenet" it appears that people are prone
to call most any post they don't like "spam".


Regards,

John Byrns



Exactly, an ad for a private person selling something he owns, used
to a group that does not allow any ads at all is not spam, it's abuse.
Now that said the charter as quoted does not forbid ads. Commercial ads
to Usenet are abuse anyway whether the charter says so or not unless the
group is for that, ie: rec.audio.marketplace. In the groups I attend it
is generally accepted that an individual can offer something for sale,
though as a general rule it's not something that happens all the time.
If it does happen and you are selling stuff every week, you've crossed
the line into more commercial than private. That is generally decided by
the regular member of whichever group. If the people of a group want all
ads banned from that group, they should officially ad that to the
charter/FAQs and said document needs to be posted regularly to the
group. I might also note that it takes more than two complaints to
action any account, even an eBay account.
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"WindsorFox" wrote in message
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PeterD wrote:
On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 09:26:09 -0500, John Byrns
wrote:

On what authority do you say that mention of eBay auctions is not permitted on
this news group? I suggest you familiarize yourself with the charter for this
group, you can find a copy in the "CFV" he

http://fmamradios.com/CFV-rar+p.txt




You may want to check eBays TOS and rules about spamming Usenet, and
the fact it is *NOT* allowed.



You may want to check the definition of "spam."


You may want to check eBay's definition of spam. That's the one that counts. But
it's not relevant here anyway.

The eBay rules regarding Usenet posting is not their spam policy, it's their Usenet
Policy.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/usenet_policy.html



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WindsorFox wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
This is not a "For sale" newsgroup, nor are Ebay auctions permitted.

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Exactly to which of the three cross posted groups do you refer?



Gee, is it really that hard to figure out? If you can't figure it
out ask nicely, and I'll tell you.



It appears that even you do not know.
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yep. he was good enough not to only post a link, he cut and pasted the
entire ad. wonderful.



I reported the spam and posted it to the newsgroups at the same time.



Number one, it's not spam. It's not "mass or bulk." It's not
commercial, it's a private eBay auction. It might be abuse depending on
the group, but where I am in rec.audio.marketplace it certainly isn't.
In rec.audio.tubes it is not uncommon to see a FS or FA ad as long as it
is a private person, not a commercial ad. And lastly as far as the
antique radio group, it's on topic there and I would imagine that
private, non-commercial ads grace that group from time to time as well,
I've not read the charter or FAQs for that group. So, will you be
reporting your own abuse as well?


The OP stands to profit from the sale. That is commercial. It is
spam.


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"John Byrns" wrote in message
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You may want to check eBays TOS and rules about spamming Usenet, and
the fact it is *NOT* allowed.


I took a look at eBay's rules as you suggested, and there are two
problems with your statement above. The first problem is that eBay
doesn't even mention the term "usenet" any where in their rules, at
least their search function says something to the effect that no
information is available on "usenet".


http://pages.ebay.com/help/usenet_policy.html







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WindsorFox wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
WindsorFox wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
This is not a "For sale" newsgroup, nor are Ebay auctions permitted.

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Exactly to which of the three cross posted groups do you refer?



Gee, is it really that hard to figure out? If you can't figure it
out ask nicely, and I'll tell you.



It appears that even you do not know.



Yawn. You must be on one of the audiofool groups.


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In article ,
WindsorFox wrote:

Exactly, an ad for a private person selling something he owns, used
to a group that does not allow any ads at all is not spam, it's abuse.
Now that said the charter as quoted does not forbid ads. Commercial ads
to Usenet are abuse anyway whether the charter says so or not unless the
group is for that, ie: rec.audio.marketplace. In the groups I attend it
is generally accepted that an individual can offer something for sale,
though as a general rule it's not something that happens all the time.
If it does happen and you are selling stuff every week, you've crossed
the line into more commercial than private. That is generally decided by
the regular member of whichever group. If the people of a group want all
ads banned from that group, they should officially ad that to the
charter/FAQs and said document needs to be posted regularly to the
group.


Interesting, you seem to be implying that people can effectively modify
a groups charter by simply posting a FAQ regularly that includes the
rule(s) they believe should be in effect for the group.


Regards,

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In article ,
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

WindsorFox wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

- Show quoted text -
yep. he was good enough not to only post a link, he cut and pasted the
entire ad. wonderful.

I reported the spam and posted it to the newsgroups at the same time.


Number one, it's not spam. It's not "mass or bulk." It's not
commercial, it's a private eBay auction. It might be abuse depending on
the group, but where I am in rec.audio.marketplace it certainly isn't.
In rec.audio.tubes it is not uncommon to see a FS or FA ad as long as it
is a private person, not a commercial ad. And lastly as far as the
antique radio group, it's on topic there and I would imagine that
private, non-commercial ads grace that group from time to time as well,
I've not read the charter or FAQs for that group. So, will you be
reporting your own abuse as well?


The OP stands to profit from the sale. That is commercial. It is
spam.


Then all the posts that we see here from Mark, Gary, and Bill are also
"spam". I guess it is time to run them off!


Regards,

John Byrns

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In article ,
"jim menning" wrote:

"WindsorFox" wrote in message
...
PeterD wrote:
On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 09:26:09 -0500, John Byrns
wrote:

On what authority do you say that mention of eBay auctions is not
permitted on
this news group? I suggest you familiarize yourself with the charter for
this
group, you can find a copy in the "CFV" he

http://fmamradios.com/CFV-rar+p.txt




You may want to check eBays TOS and rules about spamming Usenet, and
the fact it is *NOT* allowed.



You may want to check the definition of "spam."


You may want to check eBay's definition of spam. That's the one that counts.
But
it's not relevant here anyway.

The eBay rules regarding Usenet posting is not their spam policy, it's their
Usenet
Policy.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/usenet_policy.html


That raises the question of what eBay considers "inappropriate or
violates the Usenet board policy"? From the wording of eBay's
"usenet_policy" it sounds like they don't have a blanket prohibition
against eBay related posts.


Regards,

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It's March and there are no BB games running right now that I know of.
We can get more results yelling at eBay posts than disturbing posters
that come and go at their leisure.

That's about it. There will be a Frankenstein to curdle our blood in a
couple days' time.



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ANyway, what is a "macIntosh" 12AX7 tube?.........A tube that was pulled out
of a Macintosh preamp I guess....ANd I see it's a mono C8 preamp so the
tubes are probably sixty years old!.....OOOOOOOk.....


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Pair McIntosh C8 Mono Preamp 12AX7 Tubes Excellent C-8
Item number: 300093857630

Ships to: Worldwide
Item location: Oakland, CA, United States
History: 3 bids
High bidder: philiptube8888( 234Feedback score is 100 to 499)
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Seller: audio.hut( 9 )
Feedback: 100% Positive


Offered for sale is a wonderful pair (two pieces) of vintage McIntosh
C8 mono preamplifiers (Record Compensator), each uses 3 pieces of
12AX7 tubes. The one in wood cabinet is in gorgeous condition inside
and out. The faceplate is particularly clean and shiny; case is in
excellent shape too. Some scratches on the wood cabinet. The second
one is not in wood cabinet; not as good as the first one but quite
decent too. The pictures show some white stuff on some knobs of the
2nd preamp. That is just kind of chalk, and can be cleaned easily.

All knobs are original. Tubes are mix of makes.

These preamps draw power from Mac power amps. The power cords
(unbelievably thick) for that purpose are included. There is another
AC power cord that powers the AC sockets in the back. One is good and
the other one is essentially all gone. I am selling them untested, and
in "as is" condition.

Personal check or money order. No Paypal. Some recent buyers won my
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Paypal only, do no bid on my listings.
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On Mar 26, 10:47 am, John Byrns wrote:

That raises the question of what eBay considers "inappropriate or
violates the Usenet board policy"? From the wording of eBay's
"usenet_policy" it sounds like they don't have a blanket prohibition
against eBay related posts.


Don't think they do, after all the sellers I've watched.

Don't swear at grumpy buyers and don't be from Upper Slobododia
embarrassing us in the the name of funding the Slobodh rebels selling
eLouie.

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On Mar 26, 11:04 am, "Pete" wrote:
ANyway, what is a "macIntosh" 12AX7 tube?.........A tube that was pulled out
of a Macintosh preamp I guess....ANd I see it's a mono C8 preamp so the
tubes are probably sixty years old!.....OOOOOOOk.....

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in ... This is not a "For sale" newsgroup, nor are Ebay auctions permitted.

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Pair McIntosh C8 Mono Preamp 12AX7 Tubes Excellent C-8
Item number: 300093857630


Ships to: Worldwide
Item location: Oakland, CA, United States
History: 3 bids
High bidder: philiptube8888( 234Feedback score is 100 to 499)
You can also:
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Listing and payment details: HideShow


Starting time: Mar-21-07 10:19:38 PDT
Starting bid: US $9.99
Duration: 7-day listing


Meet the seller
Seller: audio.hut( 9 )
Feedback: 100% Positive


Offered for sale is a wonderful pair (two pieces) of vintage McIntosh
C8 mono preamplifiers (Record Compensator), each uses 3 pieces of
12AX7 tubes. The one in wood cabinet is in gorgeous condition inside
and out. The faceplate is particularly clean and shiny; case is in
excellent shape too. Some scratches on the wood cabinet. The second
one is not in wood cabinet; not as good as the first one but quite
decent too. The pictures show some white stuff on some knobs of the
2nd preamp. That is just kind of chalk, and can be cleaned easily.


All knobs are original. Tubes are mix of makes.


These preamps draw power from Mac power amps. The power cords
(unbelievably thick) for that purpose are included. There is another
AC power cord that powers the AC sockets in the back. One is good and
the other one is essentially all gone. I am selling them untested, and
in "as is" condition.


Personal check or money order. No Paypal. Some recent buyers won my
listings and forced me to use Paypal. Please, if you intend to use
Paypal only, do no bid on my listings.
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Michael A. Terrell wrote:
WindsorFox wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
WindsorFox wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
This is not a "For sale" newsgroup, nor are Ebay auctions permitted.

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Exactly to which of the three cross posted groups do you refer?

Gee, is it really that hard to figure out? If you can't figure it
out ask nicely, and I'll tell you.


It appears that even you do not know.



Yawn. You must be on one of the audiofool groups.




.... says the idiot that reported the spam that wasn't.
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jim menning wrote:
"WindsorFox" wrote in message
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PeterD wrote:
On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 09:26:09 -0500, John Byrns
wrote:

On what authority do you say that mention of eBay auctions is not permitted on
this news group? I suggest you familiarize yourself with the charter for this
group, you can find a copy in the "CFV" he

http://fmamradios.com/CFV-rar+p.txt



You may want to check eBays TOS and rules about spamming Usenet, and
the fact it is *NOT* allowed.


You may want to check the definition of "spam."


You may want to check eBay's definition of spam. That's the one that counts. But
it's not relevant here anyway.

The eBay rules regarding Usenet posting is not their spam policy, it's their Usenet
Policy.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/usenet_policy.html





I am an eBay user, so I've read it. The only thing that eBay will
be worried about is if it is abuse, spam is abuse, an ad placed in a
group that does not allow ads is not spam, but is abuse. But one will
have to prove said abuse ie: provide them a copy of the FAQ/charter and
it will be required for a number of people to complain. One or two
complaints will not get an account actioned since we all know there is
always someone who is displeased by most anything anyone says.


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jim menning wrote:

The eBay rules regarding Usenet posting is not their spam policy, it's their Usenet
Policy.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/usenet_policy.html





Oh yeah, if you advertise your eBay auction from a disassociated web
portal and do not indicate in the post that it is *your* ad; a million
complaints could roll in and nothing will happen. "Please note that we
can only take action in cases where it is clear that an eBay member has
posted to the Usenet inappropriately."
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John Byrns wrote:
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WindsorFox wrote:

Exactly, an ad for a private person selling something he owns, used
to a group that does not allow any ads at all is not spam, it's abuse.
Now that said the charter as quoted does not forbid ads. Commercial ads
to Usenet are abuse anyway whether the charter says so or not unless the
group is for that, ie: rec.audio.marketplace. In the groups I attend it
is generally accepted that an individual can offer something for sale,
though as a general rule it's not something that happens all the time.
If it does happen and you are selling stuff every week, you've crossed
the line into more commercial than private. That is generally decided by
the regular member of whichever group. If the people of a group want all
ads banned from that group, they should officially ad that to the
charter/FAQs and said document needs to be posted regularly to the
group.


Interesting, you seem to be implying that people can effectively modify
a groups charter by simply posting a FAQ regularly that includes the
rule(s) they believe should be in effect for the group.


Regards,

John Byrns


No no no. I'm saying that the charter needs to be posted regularly.
And I am also saying if it does not say what the majority of the regular
members want it to say, they need to get it amended. Nether point has
much to do with the other. But if you post it regularly and it does not
say that private ads a not allowed, many ISP abuse desks are going to
take that at face value. Now if someone posts a private ad for different
stuff every three days or even every week, that becomes abuse.
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John Byrns wrote:


http://pages.ebay.com/help/usenet_policy.html


That raises the question of what eBay considers "inappropriate or
violates the Usenet board policy"? From the wording of eBay's
"usenet_policy" it sounds like they don't have a blanket prohibition
against eBay related posts.


Regards,

John Byrns


Correct. It goes by the official charter of the particular group. In
the Mustang group a private owner can mention his car for sale. A dealer
can not. I can offer a set of headers for sale, Texas Mustang and Resto
can not. There are also general Usenet FAQs on the web that iterate what
is and is not appropriate. Also, keep in mind how many minimum wage
clerks on the other end of eBay's abuse address have even heard of
Usenet or know what it is. I called to report an outage to Cox and it
took 3 people before I found one that had the first clue what I was
talking about.
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Michael A. Terrell wrote:
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Michael A. Terrell wrote:

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yep. he was good enough not to only post a link, he cut and pasted the
entire ad. wonderful.

I reported the spam and posted it to the newsgroups at the same time.


Number one, it's not spam. It's not "mass or bulk." It's not
commercial, it's a private eBay auction. It might be abuse depending on
the group, but where I am in rec.audio.marketplace it certainly isn't.
In rec.audio.tubes it is not uncommon to see a FS or FA ad as long as it
is a private person, not a commercial ad. And lastly as far as the
antique radio group, it's on topic there and I would imagine that
private, non-commercial ads grace that group from time to time as well,
I've not read the charter or FAQs for that group. So, will you be
reporting your own abuse as well?


The OP stands to profit from the sale. That is commercial. It is
spam.




Wrong. You are welcome to your opinion, but as far as Usenet abuse,
you are, as afore mentioned; incorrect. Move along...
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I guess that's what fascinates me about this newsgroup. It has a language
all it's ownnn...

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On Mar 26, 11:04 am, "Pete" wrote:
ANyway, what is a "macIntosh" 12AX7 tube?.........A tube that was pulled

out
of a Macintosh preamp I guess....ANd I see it's a mono C8 preamp so the
tubes are probably sixty years old!.....OOOOOOOk.....

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in

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John Byrns wrote:
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

WindsorFox wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:

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yep. he was good enough not to only post a link, he cut and pasted the
entire ad. wonderful.
I reported the spam and posted it to the newsgroups at the same time.
Number one, it's not spam. It's not "mass or bulk." It's not
commercial, it's a private eBay auction. It might be abuse depending on
the group, but where I am in rec.audio.marketplace it certainly isn't.
In rec.audio.tubes it is not uncommon to see a FS or FA ad as long as it
is a private person, not a commercial ad. And lastly as far as the
antique radio group, it's on topic there and I would imagine that
private, non-commercial ads grace that group from time to time as well,
I've not read the charter or FAQs for that group. So, will you be
reporting your own abuse as well?

The OP stands to profit from the sale. That is commercial. It is
spam.


Then all the posts that we see here from Mark, Gary, and Bill are also
"spam". I guess it is time to run them off!


Regards,

John Byrns


People like Mike Terrell are the reason it takes at least several
complaints before an abuse desk will even start to consider it as abuse.
If anyone so desires I can get an actual abuse rep to weigh in on this,
but I know how it would be handled at $(day job) even though I am not
the actual handler.
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Pete wrote:
ANyway, what is a "macIntosh" 12AX7 tube?.........A tube that was pulled out
of a Macintosh preamp I guess....ANd I see it's a mono C8 preamp so the
tubes are probably sixty years old!.....OOOOOOOk.....



I imagine it is a tube that says McIntosh on it, and doubt it is
more than 40 years old. If it is 30-40 years old and unused, then it
really doesn't matter.
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I misread it it...It's two C8 preamps, each using three 12AX7 tubes.......

"WindsorFox" wrote in message
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Pete wrote:
ANyway, what is a "macIntosh" 12AX7 tube?.........A tube that was pulled

out
of a Macintosh preamp I guess....ANd I see it's a mono C8 preamp so the
tubes are probably sixty years old!.....OOOOOOOk.....



I imagine it is a tube that says McIntosh on it, and doubt it is
more than 40 years old. If it is 30-40 years old and unused, then it
really doesn't matter.



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This amp was popular in the early fifties, perhaps even late 40's....which
means it could be 60 years old....

"WindsorFox" wrote in message
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Pete wrote:
ANyway, what is a "macIntosh" 12AX7 tube?.........A tube that was pulled

out
of a Macintosh preamp I guess....ANd I see it's a mono C8 preamp so the
tubes are probably sixty years old!.....OOOOOOOk.....



I imagine it is a tube that says McIntosh on it, and doubt it is
more than 40 years old. If it is 30-40 years old and unused, then it
really doesn't matter.



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In rec.antiques.radio+phono Pete wrote:
This amp was popular in the early fifties, perhaps even late 40's....which
means it could be 60 years old....


In that case, it would not have come with 12AX7 tubes, or even sockets
they would fit in...

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