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Alanis on Soundstage
I guess maybe I've never consciously heard Alanis Morisette before, but I tuned in Soundstage this evening out of boredom and curiosity. At least I guess it was Alanis. That's what the program guide said. I missed the opening and turned it off before the closing credits. It was hard to tell for sure if she was singing in English - combination of poor articulation, vocal mannerisms, and too-splashy drums , I think. And does she really play guitar with gloves on? (not that it looked like we could hear her guitar in the mix anyway) Her vocals sounded to me like the caricature of Celene Dion that they do on Mad TV. Soundstage is usually pretty good audiowise. Maybe it's just the shows I choose to watch. Pop music - gotta love it! Oh, well. Alanis got famous in the audio community for recording her first (big hit) record on ADATs. -- I'm really Mike Rivers ) However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over, lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
It was hard to tell for sure if she was singing in English - combination of poor articulation, vocal mannerisms, and too-splashy drums , I think. I thought so as well. I couldn't' for the life of me figure out what she and her audio team were trying to put across. I only lasted 2 1/2 songs. Oh, well. Alanis got famous in the audio community for recording her first (big hit) record on ADATs. I think you misspelled *distorting* as *recording*. -- Nathan "Imagine if there were no Hypothetical Situations" |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
It was hard to tell for sure if she was singing in English - combination of poor articulation, vocal mannerisms, and too-splashy drums , I think. I thought so as well. I couldn't' for the life of me figure out what she and her audio team were trying to put across. I only lasted 2 1/2 songs. Oh, well. Alanis got famous in the audio community for recording her first (big hit) record on ADATs. I think you misspelled *distorting* as *recording*. -- Nathan "Imagine if there were no Hypothetical Situations" |
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Nathan West wrote:
I thought so as well. I couldn't' for the life of me figure out what she and her audio team were trying to put across. Does her "audio team" actually have anything to do with this taping? It's hands off on some TV stuff. I only lasted 2 1/2 songs. Oh, well. Alanis got famous in the audio community for recording her first (big hit) record on ADATs. I think you misspelled *distorting* as *recording*. -- Nathan "Imagine if there were no Hypothetical Situations" Me at: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/andymostmusic.htm |
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Nathan West wrote:
I thought so as well. I couldn't' for the life of me figure out what she and her audio team were trying to put across. Does her "audio team" actually have anything to do with this taping? It's hands off on some TV stuff. I only lasted 2 1/2 songs. Oh, well. Alanis got famous in the audio community for recording her first (big hit) record on ADATs. I think you misspelled *distorting* as *recording*. -- Nathan "Imagine if there were no Hypothetical Situations" Me at: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/andymostmusic.htm |
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Mondoslug1 wrote:
Does her "audio team" actually have anything to do with this taping? It's hands off on some TV stuff. Alanis has it in her rider that her company provides the FOH, Monitors and Media feeds for her events. From personal experience her management will not move on that item. -- Nathan "Imagine if there were no Hypothetical Situations" |
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Mondoslug1 wrote:
Does her "audio team" actually have anything to do with this taping? It's hands off on some TV stuff. Alanis has it in her rider that her company provides the FOH, Monitors and Media feeds for her events. From personal experience her management will not move on that item. -- Nathan "Imagine if there were no Hypothetical Situations" |
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Far more lame than this....I caught a glimpse of some LL Cool J thing,
I like him in the movies ok, but talk about a Hip-Hop carictature.... Basically he just walked around the stage, doing that arm waving over the head thing they all do, and then would grab his junk periodically like he really had to ****. Maybe at some point this was cutting edge, but to me it's about as beat as rock guitar guys in satin bell bottoms with dragons on the sides. This is the state of Hip Hop and even some newer R&B...all about attitude and little or no musical talent required. I saw a male "singer" on one of the late night shows last night..I was embarassed. This would not happen 20 years ago. John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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Far more lame than this....I caught a glimpse of some LL Cool J thing,
I like him in the movies ok, but talk about a Hip-Hop carictature.... Basically he just walked around the stage, doing that arm waving over the head thing they all do, and then would grab his junk periodically like he really had to ****. Maybe at some point this was cutting edge, but to me it's about as beat as rock guitar guys in satin bell bottoms with dragons on the sides. This is the state of Hip Hop and even some newer R&B...all about attitude and little or no musical talent required. I saw a male "singer" on one of the late night shows last night..I was embarassed. This would not happen 20 years ago. John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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On 9 Sep 2004 15:30:57 -0400, Mike Rivers wrote:
In article writes: That's her style Mike, she sort of pronounces words and articulates in a weird sort of way....never hurt Dylan or Robert Plant did it? I'm not sure if I've ever listened to Robert Plant, but at least I can understand Dylan's words. I really couldn't understand much of what Alanis was singing on this show. Her speaking voice was very clear. Perhaps someone should tell her about this problem. Or maybe the theory is that her songs are so intellectual (I'm told that most of them are) that you really have to concentrate in order to get the meaning out of them. It's hard to sing in English. We have all sorts of weird sounds that aren't especially voice friendly. Take a listen to a world-class opera singer, and listen CAREFULLY to what they're actually singing, especially as they go up in pitch. Yet there's seldom any problem with vocal intellegibility--please don't cite particular past-their-prime tenors who've been singing on their reputation since the 60's. Once you get used to listening that way, you'll notice pop singers doing "Sing-glish" as well, albeit not to the same degree, as they aren't generally working as hard to compete with an orchestra. I never had trouble understanding Robert Plant, nor Alanis' recordings, so perhaps it was a problem with the production? |
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On 9 Sep 2004 15:30:57 -0400, Mike Rivers wrote:
In article writes: That's her style Mike, she sort of pronounces words and articulates in a weird sort of way....never hurt Dylan or Robert Plant did it? I'm not sure if I've ever listened to Robert Plant, but at least I can understand Dylan's words. I really couldn't understand much of what Alanis was singing on this show. Her speaking voice was very clear. Perhaps someone should tell her about this problem. Or maybe the theory is that her songs are so intellectual (I'm told that most of them are) that you really have to concentrate in order to get the meaning out of them. It's hard to sing in English. We have all sorts of weird sounds that aren't especially voice friendly. Take a listen to a world-class opera singer, and listen CAREFULLY to what they're actually singing, especially as they go up in pitch. Yet there's seldom any problem with vocal intellegibility--please don't cite particular past-their-prime tenors who've been singing on their reputation since the 60's. Once you get used to listening that way, you'll notice pop singers doing "Sing-glish" as well, albeit not to the same degree, as they aren't generally working as hard to compete with an orchestra. I never had trouble understanding Robert Plant, nor Alanis' recordings, so perhaps it was a problem with the production? |
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Mike Rivers:
I'm not sure if I've ever listened to Robert Plant, but at least I can understand Dylan's words. I really couldn't understand much of what Alanis was singing on this show. Her speaking voice was very clear. BRBR I'm pretty sure you've listened to Robert Plant, do the words "Stairway to Heaven" ring a bell. I did a live show with Alanis where her soundman did everything he could think of to make her sound like crap. Totally unintelligable. Between her mic and the 2 guitars with 60 fx pedals between them it was not a good time. Other artists on the same show sounded great. I also did her episode of VH1 Storytellers, and she sounded fine, but the TV part was mixed someone from Effanel, either Randy Ezratty or John Harris IIRC. It sounded fine on TV. Mac Kerr |
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Mike Rivers:
I'm not sure if I've ever listened to Robert Plant, but at least I can understand Dylan's words. I really couldn't understand much of what Alanis was singing on this show. Her speaking voice was very clear. BRBR I'm pretty sure you've listened to Robert Plant, do the words "Stairway to Heaven" ring a bell. I did a live show with Alanis where her soundman did everything he could think of to make her sound like crap. Totally unintelligable. Between her mic and the 2 guitars with 60 fx pedals between them it was not a good time. Other artists on the same show sounded great. I also did her episode of VH1 Storytellers, and she sounded fine, but the TV part was mixed someone from Effanel, either Randy Ezratty or John Harris IIRC. It sounded fine on TV. Mac Kerr |
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Frank Sinatra and his training brought us one of the greatest pop vocal
enunciators and pronouncers of all time. One of the finest vocalists ever was Frank Sinatra. Worth studying. -bg- -- www.thelittlecanadaheadphoneband.ca www.lchb.ca "U-CDK_CHARLES\Charles" "Charles wrote in message news:cs20d.371$AC.222@trndny05... On 9 Sep 2004 15:30:57 -0400, Mike Rivers wrote: In article writes: That's her style Mike, she sort of pronounces words and articulates in a weird sort of way....never hurt Dylan or Robert Plant did it? I'm not sure if I've ever listened to Robert Plant, but at least I can understand Dylan's words. I really couldn't understand much of what Alanis was singing on this show. Her speaking voice was very clear. Perhaps someone should tell her about this problem. Or maybe the theory is that her songs are so intellectual (I'm told that most of them are) that you really have to concentrate in order to get the meaning out of them. It's hard to sing in English. We have all sorts of weird sounds that aren't especially voice friendly. Take a listen to a world-class opera singer, and listen CAREFULLY to what they're actually singing, especially as they go up in pitch. Yet there's seldom any problem with vocal intellegibility--please don't cite particular past-their-prime tenors who've been singing on their reputation since the 60's. Once you get used to listening that way, you'll notice pop singers doing "Sing-glish" as well, albeit not to the same degree, as they aren't generally working as hard to compete with an orchestra. I never had trouble understanding Robert Plant, nor Alanis' recordings, so perhaps it was a problem with the production? |
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Frank Sinatra and his training brought us one of the greatest pop vocal
enunciators and pronouncers of all time. One of the finest vocalists ever was Frank Sinatra. Worth studying. -bg- -- www.thelittlecanadaheadphoneband.ca www.lchb.ca "U-CDK_CHARLES\Charles" "Charles wrote in message news:cs20d.371$AC.222@trndny05... On 9 Sep 2004 15:30:57 -0400, Mike Rivers wrote: In article writes: That's her style Mike, she sort of pronounces words and articulates in a weird sort of way....never hurt Dylan or Robert Plant did it? I'm not sure if I've ever listened to Robert Plant, but at least I can understand Dylan's words. I really couldn't understand much of what Alanis was singing on this show. Her speaking voice was very clear. Perhaps someone should tell her about this problem. Or maybe the theory is that her songs are so intellectual (I'm told that most of them are) that you really have to concentrate in order to get the meaning out of them. It's hard to sing in English. We have all sorts of weird sounds that aren't especially voice friendly. Take a listen to a world-class opera singer, and listen CAREFULLY to what they're actually singing, especially as they go up in pitch. Yet there's seldom any problem with vocal intellegibility--please don't cite particular past-their-prime tenors who've been singing on their reputation since the 60's. Once you get used to listening that way, you'll notice pop singers doing "Sing-glish" as well, albeit not to the same degree, as they aren't generally working as hard to compete with an orchestra. I never had trouble understanding Robert Plant, nor Alanis' recordings, so perhaps it was a problem with the production? |
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I couldn't understand her either, but I was able to get a lot of the words from lip-reading the first four or five rows of the audience. stv |
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I couldn't understand her either, but I was able to get a lot of the words from lip-reading the first four or five rows of the audience. stv |
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On 2004-09-10, Mike Rivers wrote:
In article cs20d.371$AC.222@trndny05 writes: It's hard to sing in English. We have all sorts of weird sounds that aren't especially voice friendly. That's about the best excuse for inarticulate singing that I've heard yet. Gotta remember that whenever someone accuses me of mumbling when I try to sing. Take a listen to a world-class opera singer, and listen CAREFULLY to what they're actually singing, especially as they go up in pitch. Sorry, I can't stand opera singers, and most of them don't sing in English anyway. Whatever point you're trying to prove, it's not working on me. To be heard over an orchestra you have to be very loud, which means that 1) you need vowels, not consonants, 2) you need to find a spot somewhere in the mids where the orchestra doesn't put out much energy but you do. That's what makes opera singers sound the way they do. Now try to do that in English. You're not going to be at your most intelligible because 1) English is a very "consonantic" language and 2) all the formants are off. Not that I'm comparing Alanis Morrissette with opera singers. In fact, I don't even know what her voice _sounds_like_. -- André Majorel URL:http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/ Conscience is what hurts when everything else feels so good. |
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On 2004-09-10, Mike Rivers wrote:
In article cs20d.371$AC.222@trndny05 writes: It's hard to sing in English. We have all sorts of weird sounds that aren't especially voice friendly. That's about the best excuse for inarticulate singing that I've heard yet. Gotta remember that whenever someone accuses me of mumbling when I try to sing. Take a listen to a world-class opera singer, and listen CAREFULLY to what they're actually singing, especially as they go up in pitch. Sorry, I can't stand opera singers, and most of them don't sing in English anyway. Whatever point you're trying to prove, it's not working on me. To be heard over an orchestra you have to be very loud, which means that 1) you need vowels, not consonants, 2) you need to find a spot somewhere in the mids where the orchestra doesn't put out much energy but you do. That's what makes opera singers sound the way they do. Now try to do that in English. You're not going to be at your most intelligible because 1) English is a very "consonantic" language and 2) all the formants are off. Not that I'm comparing Alanis Morrissette with opera singers. In fact, I don't even know what her voice _sounds_like_. -- André Majorel URL:http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/ Conscience is what hurts when everything else feels so good. |
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"agent86" wrote in message
. .. Imagine fingernails on a chalkboard.... ...amplified. ....with a large dose of whiny teenage girl thrown in for good measure. Kent |
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"agent86" wrote in message
. .. Imagine fingernails on a chalkboard.... ...amplified. ....with a large dose of whiny teenage girl thrown in for good measure. Kent |
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Andre Majorel wrote:
Not that I'm comparing Alanis Morrissette with opera singers. In fact, I don't even know what her voice _sounds_like_. Imagine fingernails on a chalkboard.... ...amplified. |
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Andre Majorel wrote:
Not that I'm comparing Alanis Morrissette with opera singers. In fact, I don't even know what her voice _sounds_like_. Imagine fingernails on a chalkboard.... ...amplified. |
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In article cs20d.371$AC.222@trndny05, "U-CDK_CHARLES
\\Charles" "Charles says... It's hard to sing in English. We have all sorts of weird sounds that aren't especially voice friendly. Now that is funny  I know a lot of singers here in Denmark, 90% of them sing in English. Nr. one reason is that English is so easy and soft to sing in. There are not many weird sounds in English compared to Danish. Nr. two reason is if you make a hit it has potential to sell over most the world and not just some few thousand local. I guess it depends where in the world you're from, foreign language can be a nice thing when the lyrics are crap. Alanis was on German television the other day, some remix playback of "black velvet", the audience absolutely loved her, standing ovations and all. -- / Peter Kaersaa |
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In article cs20d.371$AC.222@trndny05, "U-CDK_CHARLES
\\Charles" "Charles says... It's hard to sing in English. We have all sorts of weird sounds that aren't especially voice friendly. Now that is funny I know a lot of singers here in Denmark, 90% of them sing in English. Nr. one reason is that English is so easy and soft to sing in. There are not many weird sounds in English compared to Danish. Nr. two reason is if you make a hit it has potential to sell over most the world and not just some few thousand local. I guess it depends where in the world you're from, foreign language can be a nice thing when the lyrics are crap. Alanis was on German television the other day, some remix playback of "black velvet", the audience absolutely loved her, standing ovations and all. -- / Peter Kaersaa |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
I guess maybe I've never consciously heard Alanis Morisette before, but I tuned in Soundstage this evening out of boredom and curiosity. At least I guess it was Alanis. That's what the program guide said. I missed the opening and turned it off before the closing credits. It was hard to tell for sure if she was singing in English - combination of poor articulation, vocal mannerisms, and too-splashy drums , I think. And does she really play guitar with gloves on? (not that it looked like we could hear her guitar in the mix anyway) Her vocals sounded to me like the caricature of Celene Dion that they do on Mad TV. Soundstage is usually pretty good audiowise. Maybe it's just the shows I choose to watch. Pop music - gotta love it! Oh, well. Alanis got famous in the audio community for recording her first (big hit) record on ADATs. .... which just goes to show that it's the music, not the technological sales-point-du-jour. The Beatles did it with 4-tracks. FWIW I saw her here in NZ about 6 years ago and she/they were/was great. She didn't have gloves then, but shook her big hair (head) around a lot.... goeff |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
I guess maybe I've never consciously heard Alanis Morisette before, but I tuned in Soundstage this evening out of boredom and curiosity. At least I guess it was Alanis. That's what the program guide said. I missed the opening and turned it off before the closing credits. It was hard to tell for sure if she was singing in English - combination of poor articulation, vocal mannerisms, and too-splashy drums , I think. And does she really play guitar with gloves on? (not that it looked like we could hear her guitar in the mix anyway) Her vocals sounded to me like the caricature of Celene Dion that they do on Mad TV. Soundstage is usually pretty good audiowise. Maybe it's just the shows I choose to watch. Pop music - gotta love it! Oh, well. Alanis got famous in the audio community for recording her first (big hit) record on ADATs. .... which just goes to show that it's the music, not the technological sales-point-du-jour. The Beatles did it with 4-tracks. FWIW I saw her here in NZ about 6 years ago and she/they were/was great. She didn't have gloves then, but shook her big hair (head) around a lot.... goeff |
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**bg** wrote:
Frank Sinatra and his training brought us one of the greatest pop vocal enunciators and pronouncers of all time. One of the finest vocalists ever was Frank Sinatra. Worth studying. Yeah.. Great annunciation. geoff |
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**bg** wrote:
Frank Sinatra and his training brought us one of the greatest pop vocal enunciators and pronouncers of all time. One of the finest vocalists ever was Frank Sinatra. Worth studying. Yeah.. Great annunciation. geoff |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
In article writes: That's her style Mike, she sort of pronounces words and articulates in a weird sort of way....never hurt Dylan or Robert Plant did it? I'm not sure if I've ever listened to Robert Plant, but at least I can understand Dylan's words. It goes (in case you missed it) "There's a lady who's sure ...." . Now , take it a way Bob (gratuitious FZ quote, to bolster credentials), "neeeeahhhh waa hhhhhooooowt", but with more nose. But that's great too. geoff PS , It's late Friday night here, so excuse my ramblings. |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
In article writes: That's her style Mike, she sort of pronounces words and articulates in a weird sort of way....never hurt Dylan or Robert Plant did it? I'm not sure if I've ever listened to Robert Plant, but at least I can understand Dylan's words. It goes (in case you missed it) "There's a lady who's sure ...." . Now , take it a way Bob (gratuitious FZ quote, to bolster credentials), "neeeeahhhh waa hhhhhooooowt", but with more nose. But that's great too. geoff PS , It's late Friday night here, so excuse my ramblings. |
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