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Denon vs Yamaha receiver
I'm looking to upgrade to a new Pro Logic II receiver and am undecided
between the Denon AVR-1603 or the Yamaha HTR-5550. I can get both for the same price of $400 CAN. I haven't been able to compare the two yet as they are sold by separate dealers where I'm from. Just wanted to get the audiophile's opinion on this one. Thanks! -- Jason |
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I'm not an audiophile, per se, but from what I've read, heard and
experienced, George is spot on about Denons producing a better bass sound and Yamaha being the better sound processor. At that price range, you should go for the Yamaha because it sounds like you'd probably have lower-end speakers that won't handle bass too well anyhow, so might as well go for the better overall sound. "George M. Middius" wrote in message ... Jason Wong said: I'm looking to upgrade to a new Pro Logic II receiver and am undecided between the Denon AVR-1603 or the Yamaha HTR-5550. I can get both for the same price of $400 CAN. I haven't been able to compare the two yet as they are sold by separate dealers where I'm from. Just wanted to get the audiophile's opinion on this one. Thanks! This audiophile says Denons have better base and Yamahas have better surround processors. But if you wait until you can up your budget by, ahem, 100%, you can get the best of both worlds with inexpensive separates. Plus a few more cables, of course. |
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Have a couple more questions to add to this discussion after perusing
through both operating manuals. 1) The specs for this Denon say 80W per channel, and the Yamaha 75W. Does this translate into a large difference? 2) Does this Yamaha have no coaxial audio input for DVD? It appears to only have one for CD, and optical input for DVD only. I wonder if that makes me screwed because my DVD player has no optical audio output 3) Does the Denon remote not have TV Input button? No VCR record button? Do the number keys have no use in VCR mode (i.e. selecting channels). |
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Don't even THINK about buying anything Yamaha. Get the Denon.
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This audiophile says Denons have better base...
Better base? You mean the cabinet is sturdier? |
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But we're supposed to the tell the guy what his preference _should_ be.
George M. Middius wrote... William Sommerwerck said: Don't even THINK about buying anything Yamaha. Get the Denon. That's quite stupid. Buy the one you prefer. |
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"Jason Wong" wrote in message ... Have a couple more questions to add to this discussion after perusing through both operating manuals. I have a Yamaha 5550, and love it to bits. It's my first system, and I was working to a budget (no sub) but it's great for the money. Having quickly looked at the Denon specs (and obviously exhibting bias here), if it bothers you, neither amp has true 6.1 outputs, but while the Denon doesn't appear to have any 6.1 capability, the 5550 can handle 6.1 inputs by converting them to 5.1 and using a 'virtual' 6th speaker (which basically means output from the two rear surrounds). It's not ideal, but it does work surprisingly well. 2) Does this Yamaha have no coaxial audio input for DVD? It appears to only have one for CD, and optical input for DVD only. I wonder if that makes me screwed because my DVD player has no optical audio output My DVD player only had coaxial output, and after being initially concerned, I found this isn't something to worry about at all. Yes it has coaxial input, but not for the default DVD channel. I think the default coaxial input is CD. However, it's *very* easy to reconfigure the input labels in the menu system so that the DVD signal is read from the coaxial input. The manual tells you how to do it. The remote is good, though how compatible you can make it with your other equipment will depend upon the make of equipment. It works brilliantly with my Sony DVD, but not at all with my, ahem, Schneider TV. Matrix 6.1, changing inputs, and remote configuration are all in the manual. |
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Why?
-- There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't. ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US! "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message ... Don't even THINK about buying anything Yamaha. Get the Denon. |
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"Jason Wong" wrote in message ... Have a couple more questions to add to this discussion after perusing through both operating manuals. 1) The specs for this Denon say 80W per channel, and the Yamaha 75W. Does this translate into a large difference? It translates into no difference. Espen B |
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"Jason Wong" wrote in message ... Have a couple more questions to add to this discussion after perusing through both operating manuals. 1) The specs for this Denon say 80W per channel, and the Yamaha 75W. Does this translate into a large difference? Not at all. 2) Does this Yamaha have no coaxial audio input for DVD? It appears to only have one for CD, and optical input for DVD only. I wonder if that makes me screwed because my DVD player has no optical audio output. Why worry about having two optical players? |
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Don't even THINK about buying anything Yamaha. Get the Denon.
Why? Because Yamaha has a terrible reputation. Few Yamaha products have ever gotten favorable reviews in the American audiophile magazines, whereas Denon and Onkyo products commonly do. Some of the worst-sounding surround products I reviewed for Stereophile were Yamaha. |
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In alt.home-theater.misc William Sommerwerck wrote:
Don't even THINK about buying anything Yamaha. Get the Denon. Why? Because Yamaha has a terrible reputation. Few Yamaha products have ever gotten favorable reviews in the American audiophile magazines, Wow, talk about praising with faint damns. Of the two units named, the original poster should buy the one which has the most features he wants. Since he specifically mentioned that he's interested in Pro Logic II, one thing to check into is the configurability of the Pro Logic II mode. It's not price-correlated. I have a Yammy 5540 and a Harmon Kardon AVR520; the latter cost several hundred more than the former, and has more features and power, but happens to be *less* configurable in DPL II made than the Yammy. The Yammies allow you to adjust 'panorama' and a few other user-configurable features of DPL II , whereas the H-K has a 'fixed' DPL II config. Don't know about the Denon. -- -S. |
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"crazysaybi" wrote in message
... I'm not an audiophile, per se, but from what I've read, heard and experienced, George is spot on about Denons producing a better bass sound and Yamaha being the better sound processor. At that price range, you should go for the Yamaha because it sounds like you'd probably have lower-end speakers that won't handle bass too well anyhow, so might as well go for the better overall sound. If Denons produce a better bass sound, and Yamaha have a better surround processor, are there any of the same comparisions that can be made with the low end Onkyo and Harmon Kardon receivers? Since the other 2 mentioned here have areas that they are better at, I was just wondering if these 2 brands have a "trademark" area. Thanks for your help, Matt |
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I'm looking to upgrade to a new Pro Logic II receiver and am undecided
between the Denon AVR-1603 or the Yamaha HTR-5550. I can get both for the same price of $400 CAN. I haven't been able to compare the two yet as they are sold by separate dealers where I'm from. Just wanted to get the audiophile's opinion on this one. Thanks! An audiophile would spend the $400 on a better stereo amp and actually get decent tone. |
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P.S. My strongest opinion is to ignore everything you hear from
Sommerdork. He's a twerp, an ideologue, and a total git. His claim that Yamahas have a bad rep is a case in point. They don't have a bad rep; quite the reverse. One of the nice things about having an odd name is that it reveals how profoundly un-clever people are in coming up with abusive variations. I hold a BS EE, was at one time a serious amateur recordist, and reviewed for over a decade at Stereophile. I won't offend you by naming the people in the hi-fi industry who respect my opinion, whether or not they agree with me. In and of themselves, these things prove nothing, but I usually know what I'm talking about. The fact is, Yamaha products rarely received favorable reviews in the audiophile press. If you don't like that, tough, but that's the way it is. Some years ago I reviewed the Yamaha DSP-1 (an ambience synthesizer) for Stereophile. I "assumed" no one would be foolish enough to run the front channels of their system through such a product, regardless of the manufacturer. Unfortunately, I neglected to drive this point home and received a number of brickbats from readers complaining about how the DSP-1 degraded the sound of their system. I remember a Yamaha surround processor whose rear channels sounded as if someone had thrown a blanket over the speakers. If I wanted a "modest" product from a Japanese manufacturer, I wouldn't waste my time listening to Yamaha when there's Denon and Onkyo, two companies that _do_ get consistently good reviews in the audiophile press. In fact, The Abso!ute Sound recently remarked that a fairly expensive ($4K) Denon processor was sonically superior to a number of more-expensive components from high-end audiophile companies. There is one other factor, of course... If this customer is so worried about the sound quality of a stinking receiver (I spent more than three times that for my phono pickup, and that was at accommodation price), why doesn't he borrow the units and listen to them, hmmm? That's how you learn. That's how you make the decisions that are right for _you_. |
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In alt.home-theater.misc George M. Middius wrote:
Steven Sullivan said: Of the two units named, the original poster should buy the one which has the most features he wants. Believe it or not, even $300 receivers can be distinguished sonically. Is sound quality a "feature"? Middius, eh? I remember rec.audio.opinion from before you befouled it. *plonk* -- -S. |
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In and of themselves, these things prove nothing, but I usually
know what I'm talking about. Not in this case. The only rap I've ever heard about Yamaha is that bricks & mortar dealers don't give much discount off list. I'm talking 25 years ago and more. There was a time when "a certain class" of hi-fi dealers sold Yamaha, B&O, and Macintosh. (You never saw just one or two of these brands in the stores -- always These Three. (That's a movie-title joke.) These were considered the top brands by "the great unwashed," so such dealers didn't get much respect from audiophiles. I do not, however, believe that this is the source of the disrespect for Yamaha. After all, the first Denon products in this country were mass-market garbage, which was _never_ the case with Yamaha. Yamaha simply didn't produce consistently good products. Oddly, the first CD player with any wide acceptance among anti-digital audiophiles was a not-very-expensive Yamaha. |
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Is someone who records live performances, but isn't paid for it.
What an "amateur recordist", is? |
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William Sommerwerck wrote: Oddly, the first CD player with any wide acceptance among anti-digital audiophiles was a not-very-expensive Yamaha. Was that the natural sound series? I had a cassette deck and a tuner from this series. |
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Reasonable. I just hate when people don't qualify there remarks.
Clay -- There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't. ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US! "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message ... Don't even THINK about buying anything Yamaha. Get the Denon. Why? Because Yamaha has a terrible reputation. Few Yamaha products have ever gotten favorable reviews in the American audiophile magazines, whereas Denon and Onkyo products commonly do. Some of the worst-sounding surround products I reviewed for Stereophile were Yamaha. |
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On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:07:54 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote: After all, the first Denon products in this country were mass-market garbage Untrue. |
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On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:29:52 -0500, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:
Oddly, the first CD player with any wide acceptance among anti-digital audiophiles was a not-very-expensive Yamaha. Untrue again. |
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On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:29:52 -0500, Rob Adelman
wrote: William Sommerwerck wrote: Oddly, the first CD player with any wide acceptance among anti-digital audiophiles was a not-very-expensive Yamaha. Was that the natural sound series? I had a cassette deck and a tuner from this series. I still have a CDX-410U that I bought in 1987. It skips a bit and the door doesn't always open. I'm going to take it to the shop to get cleaned, etc. and use in my second system. I also have an AX-500 amp, TX-500 tuner, K-340B and KX-930 Cassette decks. Brad |
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William has quite some credentials. I trust that he does indeed know his
stuff and I don't want to sound at all confrontational here... If you read auto magazines like "Car and Driver", for example, they tend to have a bias towards Hondas/Acuras and BMWs. Those "in the know", stereophiles in this case, seem to disregard other manufacturers because they have their own trusted favorites, which is not to discredit their opinions at all. With that said, from all the (extensive) research and auditioning that I've done, I'd have to agree that Denons are indeed the best overall for amps and receivers. Even the salespeople who listen to them all the time agree that Denons are the best overall (although it makes one wonder if they get higher commission for pitching them, but that's a matter for another thread). The salespeople did rate the Yamahas second best overall with Onkyos coming in a close third. However, dollar for dollar, I do believe that Yamahas are the best. I own a Yamaha integrated amp... no complaints here. But ultimately it's all in what YOU hear. Try to "audition" holding as many variables constant as possible. Yamaha Reviews: http://www.audioreview.com/PRD_130572_2718crx.aspx http://ic.dealtime.com/xPR-Yamaha_HT...RD-96984141444 Denon Reviews: http://www.audioreview.com/Receivers...x.aspx#reviews "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message ... P.S. My strongest opinion is to ignore everything you hear from Sommerdork. He's a twerp, an ideologue, and a total git. His claim that Yamahas have a bad rep is a case in point. They don't have a bad rep; quite the reverse. One of the nice things about having an odd name is that it reveals how profoundly un-clever people are in coming up with abusive variations. I hold a BS EE, was at one time a serious amateur recordist, and reviewed for over a decade at Stereophile. I won't offend you by naming the people in the hi-fi industry who respect my opinion, whether or not they agree with me. In and of themselves, these things prove nothing, but I usually know what I'm talking about. The fact is, Yamaha products rarely received favorable reviews in the audiophile press. If you don't like that, tough, but that's the way it is. Some years ago I reviewed the Yamaha DSP-1 (an ambience synthesizer) for Stereophile. I "assumed" no one would be foolish enough to run the front channels of their system through such a product, regardless of the manufacturer. Unfortunately, I neglected to drive this point home and received a number of brickbats from readers complaining about how the DSP-1 degraded the sound of their system. I remember a Yamaha surround processor whose rear channels sounded as if someone had thrown a blanket over the speakers. If I wanted a "modest" product from a Japanese manufacturer, I wouldn't waste my time listening to Yamaha when there's Denon and Onkyo, two companies that _do_ get consistently good reviews in the audiophile press. In fact, The Abso!ute Sound recently remarked that a fairly expensive ($4K) Denon processor was sonically superior to a number of more-expensive components from high-end audiophile companies. There is one other factor, of course... If this customer is so worried about the sound quality of a stinking receiver (I spent more than three times that for my phono pickup, and that was at accommodation price), why doesn't he borrow the units and listen to them, hmmm? That's how you learn. That's how you make the decisions that are right for _you_. |
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William Sommerwerck wrote:
George M. Middius wrote... William Sommerwerck said: Don't even THINK about buying anything Yamaha. Get the Denon. That's quite stupid. Buy the one you prefer. But we're supposed to the tell the guy what his preference _should_ be. That is still quite because the guy is asking for opinions, not what his preference should be. |
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"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message ... Don't even THINK about buying anything Yamaha. Get the Denon. Rubbish. If you want "opinion", listen to this poster. If you want helpful advice, listen to everyone else. |
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Your DVD player can probably play CD's too so it's not a problem. I have
a Yamaha receiver with 3 optical and one coax input. Arny Krueger wrote: "Jason Wong" wrote in message ... Have a couple more questions to add to this discussion after perusing through both operating manuals. 1) The specs for this Denon say 80W per channel, and the Yamaha 75W. Does this translate into a large difference? Not at all. 2) Does this Yamaha have no coaxial audio input for DVD? It appears to only have one for CD, and optical input for DVD only. I wonder if that makes me screwed because my DVD player has no optical audio output. Why worry about having two optical players? |
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It was the 303, I believe. Don't remember the alpha prefix.
I remember when it came out ca. 1986 (?). It was the first CD player that got grudgingly favorable reviews. Oddly, the first CD player with any wide acceptance among anti-digital audiophiles was a not-very-expensive Yamaha. Untrue again. |
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Is that all you can say? Untrue? How profound. How insightful.
In 1973, few people in the US had heard of Denon (Nippon Columbia). Their products were just starting to be sold. I was working at Stansbury's at the Reisterstown Road Plaza just outside Baltimore. A rep came in to get us to carry Denon products. They were crappy little compact systems. I verbally trashed him and sent him packing. After all, the first Denon products in this country were mass-market garbage Untrue. |
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That is still quite because the guy is asking for opinions,
not what his preference should be. No, he's asking us to tell him what to buy. He's looking to us as "experts" to give him the absolute truth so he can buy the "right" product. |
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I auditioned Denon, Yamaha, Sony and Marantz before I decided on the
Yamaha receiver for my home surround system. It sounded as good as units costing 4 times as much. It also has pre amp outs for all channels so I can bypass the Yamaha power amp. It has a very comprehensive feature set AND you can disable the DSP processing. Feature for feature I think that a $400-500 Yamaha is the way to go. Go to a Hi Fi store and audition them through the same set of speakers. Andrew M. wrote: Your DVD player can probably play CD's too so it's not a problem. I have a Yamaha receiver with 3 optical and one coax input. Arny Krueger wrote: "Jason Wong" wrote in message ... Have a couple more questions to add to this discussion after perusing through both operating manuals. 1) The specs for this Denon say 80W per channel, and the Yamaha 75W. Does this translate into a large difference? Not at all. 2) Does this Yamaha have no coaxial audio input for DVD? It appears to only have one for CD, and optical input for DVD only. I wonder if that makes me screwed because my DVD player has no optical audio output. Why worry about having two optical players? |
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On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 03:48:12 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote: It was the 303, I believe. Don't remember the alpha prefix. I remember when it came out ca. 1986 (?). It was the first CD player that got grudgingly favorable reviews. That was about the same time that the Denon DCD 1500 came out, with more than grudgingly favorable reviews. Oddly, the first CD player with any wide acceptance among anti-digital audiophiles was a not-very-expensive Yamaha. Untrue again. |
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On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 03:52:15 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote: Is that all you can say? Untrue? How profound. How insightful. Well, you didn't say much more, now did you? In 1973, few people in the US had heard of Denon (Nippon Columbia). Their products were just starting to be sold. I was working at Stansbury's at the Reisterstown Road Plaza just outside Baltimore. A rep came in to get us to carry Denon products. They were crappy little compact systems. I verbally trashed him and sent him packing. And how do you know that they were the only Denon's being offered? They may have been simply what the rep thought Stansbury's was fit to sell. I believe, at that time, they also had what most people considered decent turntables. They had already sold the first PCM digital recorder to pro studios and had been selling one of the most renowned cartridges for years, the DL103, which I think is *still* being marketed today. I have no idea what their product mix was in 1973, but I would be surprised if it didn't include the same sort of mix (although probably downsized) than it did later on. BTW, just to show that I'm not totally biased, I'll note that my Denon receiver is having some switching problems at the moment as well as seemingly being unable to activate the subwoofer. Seems like the more "computerized" our receivers (and reliant on digital technology as well it seems), the more service problems we have to suffer with. After all, the first Denon products in this country were mass-market garbage Untrue. |
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dave weil wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 03:48:12 -0700, "William Sommerwerck" wrote: It was the 303, I believe. Don't remember the alpha prefix. I remember when it came out ca. 1986 (?). It was the first CD player that got grudgingly favorable reviews. That was about the same time that the Denon DCD 1500 came out, with more than grudgingly favorable reviews. Oddly, the first CD player with any wide acceptance among anti-digital audiophiles was a not-very-expensive Yamaha. Untrue again. Instead of just saying "untrue", why not back it up with some info? I for one am very interested. |
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"George M. Middius" wrote in message ... Willie Sommerdork said: That is still quite because the guy is asking for opinions, not what his preference should be. No, he's asking us to tell him what to buy. He's looking to us as "experts" to give him the absolute truth so he can buy the "right" product. How's that egomania problem coming, Willie? Willie should post on RAAT rec.audio.absolute.truth ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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Rob Adelman wrote:
William Sommerwerck wrote: Oddly, the first CD player with any wide acceptance among anti-digital audiophiles was a not-very-expensive Yamaha. Was that the natural sound series? I had a cassette deck and a tuner from this series. Yamaha basically introduced the first sigma-delta converters, using their "bitstream" chips. Unfortunately they didn't have the idle tone problems solved at that point and some of the whistles drove people up the wall, but it was clear that they sounded generally a whole lot better than the second-generation Philips 16-bit ladder DAC chipsets. On the other hand, the Yamaha AES/EBU interface chip set is responsible for a lot of the misconceptions about jitter that permeate the audiophile community these days. Lots of folks built devices with converters that didn't reclock and which used the internal PLL on the Yamaha chip to derive a nasty jitter-laden clock from the input signal. All -kinds- of things would change the sound on the output, even cable length. Not good. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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I love my Yamaha RX-V630
"Andrew M." wrote in message ... I auditioned Denon, Yamaha, Sony and Marantz before I decided on the Yamaha receiver for my home surround system. It sounded as good as units costing 4 times as much. It also has pre amp outs for all channels so I can bypass the Yamaha power amp. It has a very comprehensive feature set AND you can disable the DSP processing. Feature for feature I think that a $400-500 Yamaha is the way to go. Go to a Hi Fi store and audition them through the same set of speakers. Andrew M. wrote: Your DVD player can probably play CD's too so it's not a problem. I have a Yamaha receiver with 3 optical and one coax input. Arny Krueger wrote: "Jason Wong" wrote in message ... Have a couple more questions to add to this discussion after perusing through both operating manuals. 1) The specs for this Denon say 80W per channel, and the Yamaha 75W. Does this translate into a large difference? Not at all. 2) Does this Yamaha have no coaxial audio input for DVD? It appears to only have one for CD, and optical input for DVD only. I wonder if that makes me screwed because my DVD player has no optical audio output. Why worry about having two optical players? |
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Okay everyone, I thought I might put an end to this "heated" debate by
saying that I bought the Denon AVR-1603 yesterday. My choice was relatively simple; unfortunately I wasn't able to sample both at the same time, because they were being sold by separate dealers. But the dealer selling the Denon was able to give me $100 trade-in for my Pioneer dolby digital (non pro-logic II, non DTS), so I got the Denon for $400 CAN. I got the dealer to showcase the receiver with the same Paradigm Titan fronts that I currently own, and a CC-170 centre which I also eventually bought! Unfortunately the Yamaha dealer didn't have Paradigm speakers and their store and wouldn't offer me a tradein, so I never even got to test the unit out. In the end I think I got a steal because the 1603 was already marked down significantly because they were the last two units in the store. They said once they were gone, they'd get teh 1604s in which would sell back at regular price of around $650. So far I'm quite happy with the Denon. Finally listening to the DTS surround tracks on my DVDs makes a world of a difference. Unfortunately the numbers on the remote don't work in VCR mode, which is a shame because I use my VCR like a cable box to extend the limited channel range on my old TV. Oh well, I guess that means I'll have to upgrade my TV soon! Thanks for all the "opinions" strewn about in this thread. They were.... insightful. ;-) -- Jason |
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No offense, but blanket statements like that are just plain bad advice.
I understand you may have had some bad listening experiences with Yamaha 25 years ago, but the company has changed its product line just a little bit since then. I'm a fan of free speech, and you can continue saying whatever you like. But to write off an entire company is something that everyone here should take with a grain of salt - a very small grain. I have found the Yamaha line to be exceptional once you get above a certain price point. Their RX-V3000, 3300, V1, and Z1 receivers offer excceptional quality. The new Z9 set to be released any day now offers high-performance burr-brown 24-bit DACs for all 11 channels. While it lacks DVI switching, it all but eclipses separates in its price class in terms of quality and feature set. I can also say the same for the Denon 5803. As for your price point. Give them both a listen if you can, and see if you like to listen to DSP when you watch movies. If you do, then the Yamaha will have an edge. If you tastes are for mostly music, the Denon may sound better to you. - Clint DeBoer CD Media Website Design & Marketing www.cdmedia.com "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message ... Don't even THINK about buying anything Yamaha. Get the Denon. |
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Denon vs Yamaha receiver
Uh huh... Check out this positive Yamaha RX-Z1 review
http://www.audioholics.com/productre...haRXZ1-p1.html AH is one of the more popular [sans e-commerce] home theater review websites. While it's not a magazine, according to Alexa.com it gets more traffic than Sterophile.com and it doesn't have a magazine to market itself. Your 25 year old pre-DVD experience notwithstanding, I have never heard of Yamaha having a poor reputation, and we talk every week with reps from Denon, Onkyo, Integra Research, Tannoy, Sherbourn and Marantz to name a few... A quick glance at any of the online audiophile forums will also confirm this. No one dogs Yamaha except the elitists who listen to tube amps and buy $5000 speaker wire so their 30 year-old LPs sound "fruity". - Clint DeBoer CD Media Website Design & Marketing www.cdmedia.com "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message ... Don't even THINK about buying anything Yamaha. Get the Denon. Why? Because Yamaha has a terrible reputation. Few Yamaha products have ever gotten favorable reviews in the American audiophile magazines, whereas Denon and Onkyo products commonly do. Some of the worst-sounding surround products I reviewed for Stereophile were Yamaha. |
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