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**You get CNNNN over there? It was a wonderful series. Much was
local
humour, but, of course, we always enjoy laughing at the stupidity
of
the
average American. Watching that clip again, makes me realise how
Dubya
got
voted in - TWICE. I guess stupid Americans got a President with the
same
level of intelligence.


What I find amazingly stupid is that you havne't yet figured out
the
CNN will wander the streets of America until they find an idiot,
which
I grant isn't all that hard, but to conclude that those people are
"average Americans" is akin to me thinking its you out hunting
Lebanese
at the beach this weekend.

**Thanks for proving my point, Scott. It's CNNNN, not CNN.

Stupid Americans. Sheesh!

BTW: YOU forget that I have visited America and have spoken to many. I
KNOW
exactly how stupid the average American is. Which, I hasten to add, is
a
subset of all Americans. Clearly a proportion of Americans do,
actually,
know where Australian, France, Iraq and Korea actually are. I'll
betcha
that
before he launched a war on them, Dubya had absolutely no idea where
Iraq
was. Dubya is a part of that subset of stupid Americans. You need to
be
embarrassed that you have such an utter moron running your nation.


I don't know where Australian is.

**MY typo. Australia, of course. If you don't know where Australia is,
hang
your head in shame.

I know where Australia is. Frankly I don't know anyone who I think
doesn't know where it is although its not a daily conversation.

**The people interviewed by the CNNNN reporter did not know. Some Americas
I've spoken to (in America) had no idea.


Do you really think Aussies have
so much to be proud of?

**Strawman. The vast majority of Aussies know where the US and France
are.

You keep freaking out about America while
your own country seems to be far less than perfect.

**Strawman noted.

Fine... Explain why a "satire" leads you to this:
" we always enjoy laughing at the stupidity of the
average American. Watching that clip again, makes me realise how Dubya
got
voted in - TWICE. I guess stupid Americans got a President with the
same
level of intelligence. "

Is that an average real american or an average satirical
representation of a real american. Your comment on Bush leads one to
think you can't draw the line between real life and satire.

**Points:

* The satire, you speak of (the CNNNN report) is not scripted. They
interviewed actual Americans, not actors.
* George W Bush is a liar, a (ex)drug addict and as dumb as a pile of rocks.
Americans installed him as President. TWICE!


I think we should do a satire of Australians. We can call it Under
Down Under. Lets see... what shall we cast...

**Sure. Aussies can laugh at ourselves. Just ask a Pom.

I know.... one segment of the pops will be middle eastern immigrants
who prowl the rich burbs looking for white women to gang rape.....

**If you find that amusing, then you are one sick, demented human.
Australia, like the US, has it's fair share of sick individuals, who need to
be locked up. I find no amusement in such things.

another segment will be Islamic fundamentalists who prowl the beaches
insisting bikini clad women cover themselves, who then go for a rowdy
game of football and beat the hell out of the lifeguards who ask them
to stop....

**And again.

and the final segment will be a bunch bat carrying nazi
skinheads who prowl the streets drunk at night looking for people of
middle eastern appearance to terrorize. The remainder will be a bunch
of shrimp on the barbie, uneducated fat slobs.
Oh.... I forgot the surfer gangs..... we need a bunch of knob legged
hooligans (there are lots of sharks in Australia you know).

**And again. Why do you find such things amusing? How can you relate
exposing the insular nature of many Americans (ie: Those who cannot identify
basic geographical items) and compare that to the criminal actions of a
handful of Aussies. Just because one US citizen perpetrated the worst
terrorist act in US history, during the 1990s, I don't imagine that all
right wing, religious nutters are desirous of destroying buildings in OK
City. Nor do I imagine that ALL US citizens are right wing, religious
nutters (though a large numbers SEEM to be).


Only problem is... how do we make sure people know its satire?

**It's pretty easy to spot satire. It's a great shame you seem incapable of
doing so, yourself.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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**You get CNNNN over there? It was a wonderful series. Much was
local
humour, but, of course, we always enjoy laughing at the stupidity
of
the
average American. Watching that clip again, makes me realise how
Dubya
got
voted in - TWICE. I guess stupid Americans got a President with the
same
level of intelligence.


What I find amazingly stupid is that you havne't yet figured out
the
CNN will wander the streets of America until they find an idiot,
which
I grant isn't all that hard, but to conclude that those people are
"average Americans" is akin to me thinking its you out hunting
Lebanese
at the beach this weekend.

**Thanks for proving my point, Scott. It's CNNNN, not CNN.

Stupid Americans. Sheesh!

BTW: YOU forget that I have visited America and have spoken to many. I
KNOW
exactly how stupid the average American is. Which, I hasten to add, is
a
subset of all Americans. Clearly a proportion of Americans do,
actually,
know where Australian, France, Iraq and Korea actually are. I'll
betcha
that
before he launched a war on them, Dubya had absolutely no idea where
Iraq
was. Dubya is a part of that subset of stupid Americans. You need to
be
embarrassed that you have such an utter moron running your nation.


I don't know where Australian is.

**MY typo. Australia, of course. If you don't know where Australia is,
hang
your head in shame.

I know where Australia is. Frankly I don't know anyone who I think
doesn't know where it is although its not a daily conversation.

**The people interviewed by the CNNNN reporter did not know. Some Americas
I've spoken to (in America) had no idea.

Some Americans aren't average. Look.. we get to see these stupid
shows of the reporter on the street asking questions. They spend all
day to find 5 idiots who think the head of the supreme court is George
Washington. Maybe if our schools weren't full of illegal immigrants
kids we could do a better job in public education.


Do you really think Aussies have
so much to be proud of?

**Strawman. The vast majority of Aussies know where the US and France
are.

You keep freaking out about America while
your own country seems to be far less than perfect.

**Strawman noted.

Fine... Explain why a "satire" leads you to this:
" we always enjoy laughing at the stupidity of the
average American. Watching that clip again, makes me realise how Dubya
got
voted in - TWICE. I guess stupid Americans got a President with the
same
level of intelligence. "

Is that an average real american or an average satirical
representation of a real american. Your comment on Bush leads one to
think you can't draw the line between real life and satire.

**Points:

* The satire, you speak of (the CNNNN report) is not scripted. They
interviewed actual Americans, not actors.

But silly you assume they were "average americans". How many were
interviewed and how many made the cut?

* George W Bush is a liar, a (ex)drug addict and as dumb as a pile of rocks.
Americans installed him as President. TWICE!

and your leader supported him. Go figure. I guess you're all idiots
for electing him.



I think we should do a satire of Australians. We can call it Under
Down Under. Lets see... what shall we cast...

**Sure. Aussies can laugh at ourselves. Just ask a Pom.

I know.... one segment of the pops will be middle eastern immigrants
who prowl the rich burbs looking for white women to gang rape.....

**If you find that amusing, then you are one sick, demented human.
Australia, like the US, has it's fair share of sick individuals, who need to
be locked up. I find no amusement in such things.

But before we lock them up we can ask them questions... like where is
the Capital of the US? I mean we do need to get the average Aussie
opinion on such things, right?


another segment will be Islamic fundamentalists who prowl the beaches
insisting bikini clad women cover themselves, who then go for a rowdy
game of football and beat the hell out of the lifeguards who ask them
to stop....

**And again.

and the final segment will be a bunch bat carrying nazi
skinheads who prowl the streets drunk at night looking for people of
middle eastern appearance to terrorize. The remainder will be a bunch
of shrimp on the barbie, uneducated fat slobs.
Oh.... I forgot the surfer gangs..... we need a bunch of knob legged
hooligans (there are lots of sharks in Australia you know).

**And again. Why do you find such things amusing? How can you relate
exposing the insular nature of many Americans (ie: Those who cannot identify
basic geographical items) and compare that to the criminal actions of a
handful of Aussies.

Handful? You mean those aren't "average Aussies".
Gee from watching TV who would know?

Just because one US citizen perpetrated the worst
terrorist act in US history, during the 1990s,

I think its now the second worst..... you sure you're upto speed on
current events?
Hey... somebody interview this guy for our Aussie satire program.

I don't imagine that all
right wing, religious nutters are desirous of destroying buildings in OK
City. Nor do I imagine that ALL US citizens are right wing, religious
nutters (though a large numbers SEEM to be).


Only problem is... how do we make sure people know its satire?

**It's pretty easy to spot satire. It's a great shame you seem incapable of
doing so, yourself.

If its so easy... why did you let CNNNN influence your opinion at
all of "average americans". You should feel really stupid for
letting TV influence your opion at all let alone letting an admitted
satire have such an impact.


ScottW

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**You get CNNNN over there? It was a wonderful series. Much was
local
humour, but, of course, we always enjoy laughing at the
stupidity
of
the
average American. Watching that clip again, makes me realise how
Dubya
got
voted in - TWICE. I guess stupid Americans got a President with
the
same
level of intelligence.


What I find amazingly stupid is that you havne't yet figured out
the
CNN will wander the streets of America until they find an idiot,
which
I grant isn't all that hard, but to conclude that those people
are
"average Americans" is akin to me thinking its you out hunting
Lebanese
at the beach this weekend.

**Thanks for proving my point, Scott. It's CNNNN, not CNN.

Stupid Americans. Sheesh!

BTW: YOU forget that I have visited America and have spoken to
many. I
KNOW
exactly how stupid the average American is. Which, I hasten to add,
is
a
subset of all Americans. Clearly a proportion of Americans do,
actually,
know where Australian, France, Iraq and Korea actually are. I'll
betcha
that
before he launched a war on them, Dubya had absolutely no idea
where
Iraq
was. Dubya is a part of that subset of stupid Americans. You need
to
be
embarrassed that you have such an utter moron running your nation.


I don't know where Australian is.

**MY typo. Australia, of course. If you don't know where Australia is,
hang
your head in shame.

I know where Australia is. Frankly I don't know anyone who I think
doesn't know where it is although its not a daily conversation.

**The people interviewed by the CNNNN reporter did not know. Some
Americas
I've spoken to (in America) had no idea.

Some Americans aren't average.

**Then who voted Dubya in for a second term? Clearly, these people (who
voted Dubya in) were a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

Look.. we get to see these stupid
shows of the reporter on the street asking questions. They spend all
day to find 5 idiots who think the head of the supreme court is George
Washington.

**I don't know how long and how many people were interviewed before they
obtained the responses they did.

Maybe if our schools weren't full of illegal immigrants
kids we could do a better job in public education.


Do you really think Aussies have
so much to be proud of?

**Strawman. The vast majority of Aussies know where the US and France
are.

You keep freaking out about America while
your own country seems to be far less than perfect.

**Strawman noted.

Fine... Explain why a "satire" leads you to this:
" we always enjoy laughing at the stupidity of the
average American. Watching that clip again, makes me realise how Dubya
got
voted in - TWICE. I guess stupid Americans got a President with the
same
level of intelligence. "

Is that an average real american or an average satirical
representation of a real american. Your comment on Bush leads one to
think you can't draw the line between real life and satire.

**Points:

* The satire, you speak of (the CNNNN report) is not scripted. They
interviewed actual Americans, not actors.

But silly you assume they were "average americans". How many were
interviewed and how many made the cut?

**No idea. Based on the voting habits of Americans, I'd say one out of two
Americans would be sufficiently stupid.


* George W Bush is a liar, a (ex)drug addict and as dumb as a pile of
rocks.
Americans installed him as President. TWICE!

and your leader supported him. Go figure. I guess you're all idiots
for electing him.

**Nope. The 50% of Aussies who voted for John Howard are fools. So no, not
ALL of us are idiots. Having said that, John Howard is not a fool.




I think we should do a satire of Australians. We can call it Under
Down Under. Lets see... what shall we cast...

**Sure. Aussies can laugh at ourselves. Just ask a Pom.

I know.... one segment of the pops will be middle eastern immigrants
who prowl the rich burbs looking for white women to gang rape.....

**If you find that amusing, then you are one sick, demented human.
Australia, like the US, has it's fair share of sick individuals, who need
to
be locked up. I find no amusement in such things.

But before we lock them up we can ask them questions... like where is
the Capital of the US?

**Indeed. I fail to see how bringing the issue of sick, demented criminals
into a discussion about satirical TV programming relates, however. Perhaps
you'd care to enlighten me.

I mean we do need to get the average Aussie
opinion on such things, right?

**You can do what you like. I doubt that Americans would be interested, nor
would they appreciate the humour anyway.



another segment will be Islamic fundamentalists who prowl the beaches
insisting bikini clad women cover themselves, who then go for a rowdy
game of football and beat the hell out of the lifeguards who ask them
to stop....

**And again.

and the final segment will be a bunch bat carrying nazi
skinheads who prowl the streets drunk at night looking for people of
middle eastern appearance to terrorize. The remainder will be a bunch
of shrimp on the barbie, uneducated fat slobs.
Oh.... I forgot the surfer gangs..... we need a bunch of knob legged
hooligans (there are lots of sharks in Australia you know).

**And again. Why do you find such things amusing? How can you relate
exposing the insular nature of many Americans (ie: Those who cannot
identify
basic geographical items) and compare that to the criminal actions of a
handful of Aussies.

Handful?

**Yep.

You mean those aren't "average Aussies".
Gee from watching TV who would know?

**How many Aussies live in Australia? How many did you see on TV? Is there a
significant difference?


Just because one US citizen perpetrated the worst
terrorist act in US history, during the 1990s,

I think its now the second worst..... you sure you're upto speed on
current events?

**Was there a worse terrorist act, perpetrated by a US citizen in the US
during the 1990s? Please elucidate.

Hey... somebody interview this guy for our Aussie satire program.

I don't imagine that all
right wing, religious nutters are desirous of destroying buildings in OK
City. Nor do I imagine that ALL US citizens are right wing, religious
nutters (though a large numbers SEEM to be).


Only problem is... how do we make sure people know its satire?

**It's pretty easy to spot satire. It's a great shame you seem incapable
of
doing so, yourself.

If its so easy... why did you let CNNNN influence your opinion at
all of "average americans".

**You forget:

* 50% of US voters, put Dubya into office, for a second term.
* I've actually visited the US. Twice.


You should feel really stupid for
letting TV influence your opion at all let alone letting an admitted
satire have such an impact.

**I don't. I allow several factors influence my opinions.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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**The people interviewed by the CNNNN reporter did not know. Some
Americas
I've spoken to (in America) had no idea.

Some Americans aren't average.

**Then who voted Dubya in for a second term?

Well.. I did for one. You conveniently forget the quality of
choices we had. Unfortunately our broken primary system often leaves us
with less than ideal choices. I wished the Repubs had a primary... I
wish the dems didn't nominate a traitor... I wish Bush was really a
conservative.

Clearly, these people (who
voted Dubya in) were a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

Look.. we get to see these stupid
shows of the reporter on the street asking questions. They spend all
day to find 5 idiots who think the head of the supreme court is George
Washington.

**I don't know how long and how many people were interviewed before they
obtained the responses they did.

Then your subsequent comments re average americans had no merit.

Maybe if our schools weren't full of illegal immigrants
kids we could do a better job in public education.


Do you really think Aussies have
so much to be proud of?

**Strawman. The vast majority of Aussies know where the US and France
are.

You keep freaking out about America while
your own country seems to be far less than perfect.

**Strawman noted.

Fine... Explain why a "satire" leads you to this:
" we always enjoy laughing at the stupidity of the
average American. Watching that clip again, makes me realise how Dubya
got
voted in - TWICE. I guess stupid Americans got a President with the
same
level of intelligence. "

Is that an average real american or an average satirical
representation of a real american. Your comment on Bush leads one to
think you can't draw the line between real life and satire.

**Points:

* The satire, you speak of (the CNNNN report) is not scripted. They
interviewed actual Americans, not actors.

But silly you assume they were "average americans". How many were
interviewed and how many made the cut?

**No idea. Based on the voting habits of Americans, I'd say one out of two
Americans would be sufficiently stupid.

Thats far more than voted for Bush. You might want to think a bit
before bogusly stereotyping half the country.



* George W Bush is a liar, a (ex)drug addict and as dumb as a pile of
rocks.
Americans installed him as President. TWICE!

and your leader supported him. Go figure. I guess you're all idiots
for electing him.

**Nope. The 50% of Aussies who voted for John Howard are fools. So no, not
ALL of us are idiots.

Not ALL of us are idiots either. Not even all of us who voted for
Bush are idiots.

Having said that, John Howard is not a fool.

Did you hear Bushes speech this AM? It was pretty good. Now Reid's
pre-speech rebuttal was incredibly stupid. He actually said the Iraqi
election might be progress or it might be a step toward civil war... he
almost sounded pleading for civil war.

I actually heard a lib talk show claim the dems shouldn't commit to a
strategy on Iraq. It's a trap, not of their making... so they
shouldn't be forced to declare a strategy.
Thats just childish, if they want to lead the country they better be
prepared to deal with the times we are in.





I think we should do a satire of Australians. We can call it Under
Down Under. Lets see... what shall we cast...

**Sure. Aussies can laugh at ourselves. Just ask a Pom.

I know.... one segment of the pops will be middle eastern immigrants
who prowl the rich burbs looking for white women to gang rape.....

**If you find that amusing, then you are one sick, demented human.
Australia, like the US, has it's fair share of sick individuals, who need
to
be locked up. I find no amusement in such things.

But before we lock them up we can ask them questions... like where is
the Capital of the US?

**Indeed. I fail to see how bringing the issue of sick, demented criminals
into a discussion about satirical TV programming relates, however. Perhaps
you'd care to enlighten me.

sick demented = average australians.... can we know the difference
from a TV satire?

I mean we do need to get the average Aussie
opinion on such things, right?

**You can do what you like. I doubt that Americans would be interested, nor
would they appreciate the humour anyway.



another segment will be Islamic fundamentalists who prowl the beaches
insisting bikini clad women cover themselves, who then go for a rowdy
game of football and beat the hell out of the lifeguards who ask them
to stop....

**And again.

and the final segment will be a bunch bat carrying nazi
skinheads who prowl the streets drunk at night looking for people of
middle eastern appearance to terrorize. The remainder will be a bunch
of shrimp on the barbie, uneducated fat slobs.
Oh.... I forgot the surfer gangs..... we need a bunch of knob legged
hooligans (there are lots of sharks in Australia you know).

**And again. Why do you find such things amusing? How can you relate
exposing the insular nature of many Americans (ie: Those who cannot
identify
basic geographical items) and compare that to the criminal actions of a
handful of Aussies.

Handful?

**Yep.

You mean those aren't "average Aussies".
Gee from watching TV who would know?

**How many Aussies live in Australia? How many did you see on TV? Is there a
significant difference?

Apply same for CNNNN.



Just because one US citizen perpetrated the worst
terrorist act in US history, during the 1990s,

I think its now the second worst..... you sure you're upto speed on
current events?

**Was there a worse terrorist act, perpetrated by a US citizen in the US
during the 1990s? Please elucidate.

Not what you said... try again.


Hey... somebody interview this guy for our Aussie satire program.

I don't imagine that all
right wing, religious nutters are desirous of destroying buildings in OK
City. Nor do I imagine that ALL US citizens are right wing, religious
nutters (though a large numbers SEEM to be).


Only problem is... how do we make sure people know its satire?

**It's pretty easy to spot satire. It's a great shame you seem incapable
of
doing so, yourself.

If its so easy... why did you let CNNNN influence your opinion at
all of "average americans".

**You forget:

* 50% of US voters, put Dubya into office, for a second term.
* I've actually visited the US. Twice.

Yet you still spout off in gross stereotypical prejudice about the
"average american".
Is the average southerner the same as the average west coaster? how
about NoCa vs SoCal? How about San Diego vs LA? Texas vs Georgia?
Florida vs the Carolinas?

America is very diverse and I find your attempts to stereotype an
average american extremely naive.

ScottW

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**The people interviewed by the CNNNN reporter did not know. Some
Americas
I've spoken to (in America) had no idea.

Some Americans aren't average.

**Then who voted Dubya in for a second term?

Well.. I did for one. You conveniently forget the quality of
choices we had.

**No, I did not. You voted for a liar and a man who has deliberately sent
Americans to their deaths, in order to bolster the fortunes of close
associates.

Unfortunately our broken primary system often leaves us
with less than ideal choices. I wished the Repubs had a primary... I
wish the dems didn't nominate a traitor... I wish Bush was really a
conservative.

Clearly, these people (who
voted Dubya in) were a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

Look.. we get to see these stupid
shows of the reporter on the street asking questions. They spend all
day to find 5 idiots who think the head of the supreme court is George
Washington.

**I don't know how long and how many people were interviewed before they
obtained the responses they did.

Then your subsequent comments re average americans had no merit.

**Wrong. 50% of US voters put Dubya into office. Proof positve of just how
moronic 50% of American voters are. From what I have read, that constitutes
25% of the US population. That is a very significant number.


Maybe if our schools weren't full of illegal immigrants
kids we could do a better job in public education.


Do you really think Aussies have
so much to be proud of?

**Strawman. The vast majority of Aussies know where the US and
France
are.

You keep freaking out about America while
your own country seems to be far less than perfect.

**Strawman noted.

Fine... Explain why a "satire" leads you to this:
" we always enjoy laughing at the stupidity of the
average American. Watching that clip again, makes me realise how
Dubya
got
voted in - TWICE. I guess stupid Americans got a President with the
same
level of intelligence. "

Is that an average real american or an average satirical
representation of a real american. Your comment on Bush leads one
to
think you can't draw the line between real life and satire.

**Points:

* The satire, you speak of (the CNNNN report) is not scripted. They
interviewed actual Americans, not actors.

But silly you assume they were "average americans". How many were
interviewed and how many made the cut?

**No idea. Based on the voting habits of Americans, I'd say one out of
two
Americans would be sufficiently stupid.

Thats far more than voted for Bush. You might want to think a bit
before bogusly stereotyping half the country.

**25% of the US voting age population put Dubya into office. Correct?




* George W Bush is a liar, a (ex)drug addict and as dumb as a pile of
rocks.
Americans installed him as President. TWICE!

and your leader supported him. Go figure. I guess you're all idiots
for electing him.

**Nope. The 50% of Aussies who voted for John Howard are fools. So no,
not
ALL of us are idiots.

Not ALL of us are idiots either. Not even all of us who voted for
Bush are idiots.

**The ones who voted for Dubya ARE idiots.


Having said that, John Howard is not a fool.

Did you hear Bushes speech this AM? It was pretty good. Now Reid's
pre-speech rebuttal was incredibly stupid. He actually said the Iraqi
election might be progress or it might be a step toward civil war... he
almost sounded pleading for civil war.

**I don't care about speeches. I care about actions. Dubya sent thousands of
Americans to their deaths, based on lies.


I actually heard a lib talk show claim the dems shouldn't commit to a
strategy on Iraq. It's a trap, not of their making... so they
shouldn't be forced to declare a strategy.
Thats just childish, if they want to lead the country they better be
prepared to deal with the times we are in.





I think we should do a satire of Australians. We can call it Under
Down Under. Lets see... what shall we cast...

**Sure. Aussies can laugh at ourselves. Just ask a Pom.

I know.... one segment of the pops will be middle eastern
immigrants
who prowl the rich burbs looking for white women to gang rape.....

**If you find that amusing, then you are one sick, demented human.
Australia, like the US, has it's fair share of sick individuals, who
need
to
be locked up. I find no amusement in such things.

But before we lock them up we can ask them questions... like where is
the Capital of the US?

**Indeed. I fail to see how bringing the issue of sick, demented
criminals
into a discussion about satirical TV programming relates, however.
Perhaps
you'd care to enlighten me.

sick demented = average australians.... can we know the difference
from a TV satire?

**You weren't watching a satire. Can you tell the difference? Duh-Mikey
cannot.


I mean we do need to get the average Aussie
opinion on such things, right?

**You can do what you like. I doubt that Americans would be interested,
nor
would they appreciate the humour anyway.



another segment will be Islamic fundamentalists who prowl the
beaches
insisting bikini clad women cover themselves, who then go for a
rowdy
game of football and beat the hell out of the lifeguards who ask
them
to stop....

**And again.

and the final segment will be a bunch bat carrying nazi
skinheads who prowl the streets drunk at night looking for people of
middle eastern appearance to terrorize. The remainder will be a
bunch
of shrimp on the barbie, uneducated fat slobs.
Oh.... I forgot the surfer gangs..... we need a bunch of knob legged
hooligans (there are lots of sharks in Australia you know).

**And again. Why do you find such things amusing? How can you relate
exposing the insular nature of many Americans (ie: Those who cannot
identify
basic geographical items) and compare that to the criminal actions of
a
handful of Aussies.

Handful?

**Yep.

You mean those aren't "average Aussies".
Gee from watching TV who would know?

**How many Aussies live in Australia? How many did you see on TV? Is
there a
significant difference?

Apply same for CNNNN.



Just because one US citizen perpetrated the worst
terrorist act in US history, during the 1990s,

I think its now the second worst..... you sure you're upto speed on
current events?

**Was there a worse terrorist act, perpetrated by a US citizen in the US
during the 1990s? Please elucidate.

Not what you said... try again.

**Here's what I wrote:

"Just because one US citizen perpetrated the worst terrorist act in US
history, during the 1990s,"

Please elucidate. Which was worse?



Hey... somebody interview this guy for our Aussie satire program.

I don't imagine that all
right wing, religious nutters are desirous of destroying buildings in
OK
City. Nor do I imagine that ALL US citizens are right wing, religious
nutters (though a large numbers SEEM to be).


Only problem is... how do we make sure people know its satire?

**It's pretty easy to spot satire. It's a great shame you seem
incapable
of
doing so, yourself.

If its so easy... why did you let CNNNN influence your opinion at
all of "average americans".

**You forget:

* 50% of US voters, put Dubya into office, for a second term.
* I've actually visited the US. Twice.

Yet you still spout off in gross stereotypical prejudice about the
"average american".
Is the average southerner the same as the average west coaster?

**Strawman.

how
about NoCa vs SoCal?

**Strawman.

How about San Diego vs LA?

**Strawman.

Texas vs Georgia?
Florida vs the Carolinas?

**Strawman. I'm talking about the people who voted Dubya into office, not
where the people live.


America is very diverse and I find your attempts to stereotype an
average american extremely naive.

**Are you suggesting that the morons who voted Dubya into office all live in
the one place?


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**You get CNNNN over there? It was a wonderful series. Much was
local
humour, but, of course, we always enjoy laughing at the stupidity
of
the
average American. Watching that clip again, makes me realise how
Dubya
got
voted in - TWICE. I guess stupid Americans got a President with
the
same
level of intelligence.


What I find amazingly stupid is that you havne't yet figured out
the
CNN will wander the streets of America until they find an idiot,
which
I grant isn't all that hard, but to conclude that those people are
"average Americans" is akin to me thinking its you out hunting
Lebanese
at the beach this weekend.

**Thanks for proving my point, Scott. It's CNNNN, not CNN.

Stupid Americans. Sheesh!

BTW: YOU forget that I have visited America and have spoken to many.
I
KNOW
exactly how stupid the average American is. Which, I hasten to add,
is a
subset of all Americans. Clearly a proportion of Americans do,
actually,
know where Australian, France, Iraq and Korea actually are. I'll
betcha
that
before he launched a war on them, Dubya had absolutely no idea where
Iraq
was. Dubya is a part of that subset of stupid Americans. You need to
be
embarrassed that you have such an utter moron running your nation.


I don't know where Australian is.

**MY typo. Australia, of course. If you don't know where Australia is,
hang
your head in shame.

I know where Australia is. Frankly I don't know anyone who I think
doesn't know where it is although its not a daily conversation.

**The people interviewed by the CNNNN reporter did not know. Some Americas
I've spoken to (in America) had no idea.


Do you really think Aussies have
so much to be proud of?

**Strawman. The vast majority of Aussies know where the US and France
are.

You keep freaking out about America while
your own country seems to be far less than perfect.

**Strawman noted.

Fine... Explain why a "satire" leads you to this:
" we always enjoy laughing at the stupidity of the
average American. Watching that clip again, makes me realise how Dubya
got
voted in - TWICE. I guess stupid Americans got a President with the
same
level of intelligence. "

Is that an average real american or an average satirical
representation of a real american. Your comment on Bush leads one to
think you can't draw the line between real life and satire.

**Points:

* The satire, you speak of (the CNNNN report) is not scripted. They
interviewed actual Americans, not actors.
* George W Bush is a liar,

Proof? Of course not.

a (ex)drug addict

Your opinion only, unless you refer to alcohol.

and as dumb as a pile of rocks.

Another unsupported opinion.

Americans installed him as President. TWICE!


I think we should do a satire of Australians. We can call it Under
Down Under. Lets see... what shall we cast...

**Sure. Aussies can laugh at ourselves. Just ask a Pom.

I know.... one segment of the pops will be middle eastern immigrants
who prowl the rich burbs looking for white women to gang rape.....

**If you find that amusing, then you are one sick, demented human.
Australia, like the US, has it's fair share of sick individuals, who need
to be locked up. I find no amusement in such things.

another segment will be Islamic fundamentalists who prowl the beaches
insisting bikini clad women cover themselves, who then go for a rowdy
game of football and beat the hell out of the lifeguards who ask them
to stop....

**And again.

and the final segment will be a bunch bat carrying nazi
skinheads who prowl the streets drunk at night looking for people of
middle eastern appearance to terrorize. The remainder will be a bunch
of shrimp on the barbie, uneducated fat slobs.
Oh.... I forgot the surfer gangs..... we need a bunch of knob legged
hooligans (there are lots of sharks in Australia you know).

**And again. Why do you find such things amusing? How can you relate
exposing the insular nature of many Americans (ie: Those who cannot
identify basic geographical items) and compare that to the criminal
actions of a handful of Aussies.

It's hard enough to remember U.S Geography, since it's as big as several
other countries combined.

Just because one US citizen perpetrated the worst
terrorist act in US history, during the 1990s, I don't imagine that all
right wing, religious nutters are desirous of destroying buildings in OK
City. Nor do I imagine that ALL US citizens are right wing, religious
nutters (though a large numbers SEEM to be).


We have about an equal number of left wing nutters, unfortunately they seem
to be in control of the media.

Only problem is... how do we make sure people know its satire?

**It's pretty easy to spot satire. It's a great shame you seem incapable
of doing so, yourself.


Like Global Warming, that's one of my favorite bits of satire that far to
many people think is real.

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**You get CNNNN over there? It was a wonderful series. Much was local
humour, but, of course, we always enjoy laughing at the stupidity of
the
average American. Watching that clip again, makes me realise how Dubya
got
voted in - TWICE. I guess stupid Americans got a President with the
same
level of intelligence.


The stupidity is from yo thnking that there's no bias at CNN and that
they
don't cherry pick idiots to make a point.

CNN's bias, if any, if FAR less than Fox's.

50% of Fox's commentary is Liberal and the other 50% of their commentary is
Conservative.
Their news reporting is objective.

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**You get CNNNN over there? It was a wonderful series. Much was local
humour, but, of course, we always enjoy laughing at the stupidity of the
average American. Watching that clip again, makes me realise how Dubya
got voted in - TWICE. I guess stupid Americans got a President with the
same level of intelligence.


The stupidity is from yo thnking that there's no bias at CNN and that
they don't cherry pick idiots to make a point.

You have no idea what the average American is like, ESPECIALLY if you
rely on CNN for your info.

**Thank you for proving my point.

Will someone else tell him?


I thought it was another typo like "Australian."

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**You get CNNNN over there? It was a wonderful series. Much was local
humour, but, of course, we always enjoy laughing at the stupidity of
the
average American. Watching that clip again, makes me realise how Dubya
got
voted in - TWICE. I guess stupid Americans got a President with the
same
level of intelligence.


The stupidity is from yo thnking that there's no bias at CNN and that
they
don't cherry pick idiots to make a point.

CNN's bias, if any, if FAR less than Fox's.

50% of Fox's commentary is Liberal and the other 50% of their commentary is
Conservative.

Bull****.

Their news reporting is objective.

More bull****.

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**You get CNNNN over there? It was a wonderful series. Much was local
humour, but, of course, we always enjoy laughing at the stupidity of
the
average American. Watching that clip again, makes me realise how Dubya
got
voted in - TWICE. I guess stupid Americans got a President with the
same
level of intelligence.


The stupidity is from yo thnking that there's no bias at CNN and that
they
don't cherry pick idiots to make a point.

CNN's bias, if any, if FAR less than Fox's.

50% of Fox's commentary is Liberal and the other 50% of their commentary
is Conservative.
Their news reporting is objective.

**Dream on.


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Not as far as I know but you have my daughter over there for Xmas.

**Do I? I'll need to look through my little black book. -

Very recently married, note..

Presumably she acquired the necessary export health certification to
take her husbandry abroad? ;-)

We don't need papers to go to bits of the empire..
http://www.britishempire.co.uk/maproom/pacific.htm

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Not as far as I know but you have my daughter over there for Xmas.

**Do I? I'll need to look through my little black book. -

Very recently married, note..

Presumably she acquired the necessary export health certification to
take her husbandry abroad? ;-)

We don't need papers to go to bits of the empire..
http://www.britishempire.co.uk/maproom/pacific.htm

We??? You're not a proper Briton.

You believed the story about Howard and the Plynlimon beic?

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humour, but, of course, we always enjoy laughing at the stupidity of
the
average American. Watching that clip again, makes me realise how
Dubya
got
voted in - TWICE. I guess stupid Americans got a President with the
same
level of intelligence.


The stupidity is from yo thnking that there's no bias at CNN and that
they
don't cherry pick idiots to make a point.

CNN's bias, if any, if FAR less than Fox's.

50% of Fox's commentary is Liberal and the other 50% of their commentary
is
Conservative.

Bull****.

Their news reporting is objective.

More bull****.

Hey, listen, Jenn. If you think that Russ Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly are
the only legitimate sources of commentary, as many conservatives do (I have
heard it from their own lips), then Fox News is indeed "fair and balanced".
As for the remainder of us...it is a sewer to be dipped into with great
discretion.

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**You get CNNNN over there? It was a wonderful series. Much was
local
humour, but, of course, we always enjoy laughing at the stupidity of
the
average American. Watching that clip again, makes me realise how
Dubya
got
voted in - TWICE. I guess stupid Americans got a President with the
same
level of intelligence.


The stupidity is from yo thnking that there's no bias at CNN and that
they
don't cherry pick idiots to make a point.

CNN's bias, if any, if FAR less than Fox's.

50% of Fox's commentary is Liberal and the other 50% of their commentary
is
Conservative.

Bull****.

Their news reporting is objective.

More bull****.

Hey, listen, Jenn. If you think that Russ Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly are
the only legitimate sources of commentary, as many conservatives do (I have
heard it from their own lips),

I have as well.

then Fox News is indeed "fair and balanced".
As for the remainder of us...it is a sewer to be dipped into with great
discretion.

Indeed.

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**You get CNNNN over there? It was a wonderful series. Much was
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humour, but, of course, we always enjoy laughing at the stupidity of
the
average American. Watching that clip again, makes me realise how
Dubya
got
voted in - TWICE. I guess stupid Americans got a President with the
same
level of intelligence.


The stupidity is from yo thnking that there's no bias at CNN and that
they
don't cherry pick idiots to make a point.

CNN's bias, if any, if FAR less than Fox's.

50% of Fox's commentary is Liberal and the other 50% of their commentary
is
Conservative.

Bull****.

Their news reporting is objective.

More bull****.

Get out a stop watch and time the commentary programs.
As for the news I've seen nothing to indcate it is not objective reporting,
unlike virtually every other news program on cable or broadcast networks.

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Just because one US citizen perpetrated the worst
terrorist act in US history, during the 1990s,

I think its now the second worst..... you sure you're upto speed on
current events?

**Was there a worse terrorist act, perpetrated by a US citizen in the US
during the 1990s? Please elucidate.

But that's not what you said. Reread your statement again...

You need to work on your Queen's (I mean Dame Edna's) English.

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of
the
average American. Watching that clip again, makes me realise how
Dubya
got
voted in - TWICE. I guess stupid Americans got a President with the
same
level of intelligence.


The stupidity is from yo thnking that there's no bias at CNN and that
they
don't cherry pick idiots to make a point.

CNN's bias, if any, if FAR less than Fox's.

50% of Fox's commentary is Liberal and the other 50% of their commentary
is
Conservative.

Bull****.

Their news reporting is objective.

More bull****.

Hey, listen, Jenn. If you think that Russ Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly are
the only legitimate sources of commentary, as many conservatives do (I
have heard it from their own lips), then Fox News is indeed "fair and
balanced". As for the remainder of us...it is a sewer to be dipped into
with great discretion.
Why do you you lump Limbaugh and O'Reilly together? Rush is a conservative
and O"Reilly is an independant.

As for tehm being fair and blanced, that rerfers to their commntary shows
which split the time evenly between opposing viewpoints.

Even if they were shown to be biased, what's the problem with that since the
other news is biased as well, just in a way you probably like.

Or are you going to claim that CBS or the NY Times are fair and balanced in
their reporting?

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**You get CNNNN over there? It was a wonderful series. Much was
local
humour, but, of course, we always enjoy laughing at the stupidity of
the
average American. Watching that clip again, makes me realise how
Dubya
got
voted in - TWICE. I guess stupid Americans got a President with the
same
level of intelligence.


The stupidity is from yo thnking that there's no bias at CNN and that
they
don't cherry pick idiots to make a point.

CNN's bias, if any, if FAR less than Fox's.

50% of Fox's commentary is Liberal and the other 50% of their commentary
is Conservative.
Their news reporting is objective.

**Dream on.

More of a nightmare..

Well after years of being branwashed by the leftists at the BBC it's no
wonder you don't get it.

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:06:00 GMT, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:

**Here's what I wrote:

"Just because one US citizen perpetrated the worst terrorist act in US
history, during the 1990s,"

Please elucidate. Which was worse?

Try again. What you said was that the worst terrorist act in the US
occured in the 1990s and it happened to be perpetrated by one US
citizen. That's how you wrote it, at least.

What you MEANT was something like, The worst terrorist act in the US
in the 1990s was perpetrated by one US citizen.

And, btw, that particular act had more than one participant.

If you're STILL confused how you got it wrong, ask yourself what the
phrase "worst terrorist act in US history" means.

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:20:48 GMT, wrote:

50% of Fox's commentary is Liberal and the other 50% of their commentary is
Conservative.
Their news reporting is objective.

If you believe that, then you're more of a fool than you pretend to be
here on RAO.

wrote :


Or are you going to claim that CBS or the NY Times are fair and balanced
in their reporting?

No ! surely no !
They are only making journalism. Unlike FoxNews.

wrote :


As for the news I've seen nothing to indcate it is not objective
reporting,

This is why they are strong with the weak people like you. ;-)

unlike virtually every other news program on cable or broadcast
networks.

Don't waste your time in such metaphysical problems Mike.
Just watch FoxNews.
....It's enough for you.

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:49:18 GMT, wrote:

Their news reporting is objective.

More bull****.

Get out a stop watch and time the commentary programs.
As for the news I've seen nothing to indcate it is not objective reporting,

From Shepard Smith's opening just moments ago, regarding the Patriot
Act:

"Depending on your point of view it's either an essential tool to keep
us safe from the terrorists who cue emphasis WANT US
DEAD...pausecue more subdued voice...or a threat to civil
liberties...almost as an asideor something in between".

Amazing how I was able to find something like this as soon as I turned
on the channel.

Yeah, they've got the laughable Colmes (who's a milquetoast of the
highest degree). Let's not forget that that bastion of "liberalism",
PBS, had a true heavyweight, William F. Buckley for something like 25
years, and he had his own show. You should watch George Stephanopolis'
ABC Sunday morning political show if only to witness the caustic
brilliance of George Will during the "roundtable".

Yep, instead of Dan Rather, Fox has Brit Hume, who's just slightly
left of the Kaiser. That's a guy who can't even be othered to hide his
contempt.

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**You get CNNNN over there? It was a wonderful series. Much was
local
humour, but, of course, we always enjoy laughing at the stupidity
of
the
average American. Watching that clip again, makes me realise how
Dubya
got
voted in - TWICE. I guess stupid Americans got a President with the
same
level of intelligence.


The stupidity is from yo thnking that there's no bias at CNN and that
they
don't cherry pick idiots to make a point.

CNN's bias, if any, if FAR less than Fox's.

50% of Fox's commentary is Liberal and the other 50% of their commentary
is
Conservative.

Bull****.

Their news reporting is objective.

More bull****.

Hey, listen, Jenn. If you think that Russ Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly are
the only legitimate sources of commentary, as many conservatives do (I
have heard it from their own lips), then Fox News is indeed "fair and
balanced". As for the remainder of us...it is a sewer to be dipped into
with great discretion.
Why do you you lump Limbaugh and O'Reilly together? Rush is a conservative
and O"Reilly is an independant.

You ARE joking, right?

Here is his current column:

http://billoreilly.com/currentarticl...11DE 47575820

And here's an excerpt:
snip

But because there is mention of a certain "Saint Nicholas" in the poem
it may, alas, have to be revised in order not to offend Americans who
don't believe in saints or even Christmas for that matter. We cannot
be having any exclusionary poems now, can we?

So with apologies to Clement Moore and everybody else, I humbly submit
this updated poem for your consideration:

'Twas the night before Solstice, and all through the land
the ACLU was watching to keep things in hand.
The children were nestled all snug in their beds,
while forces kept Christmas out of their heads.
When out on the lawn there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from my bed and heard desperate chatter.
Someone had seen my manger display,
And wailed very loudly - go away, go away.

How could I be so crass, so utterly wrong
So show the infant Jesus and sing him a song?


And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof
An ACLU lawyer, looking stern and aloof.
No manger! No caroling! he said with a snort,
And if you don't comply immediately, I'll take you to court!

snip


As for tehm being fair and blanced, that rerfers to their commntary shows
which split the time evenly between opposing viewpoints.

I'm guessing that you're either overmedicated or undermedicated. The
above sentence seems to back up that opinion, as well as your recent
musings on the "Media".

Even if they were shown to be biased, what's the problem with that since the
other news is biased as well, just in a way you probably like.

Well, for starters, they explicitly claim NOT TO BE. Biased that is.

Or are you going to claim that CBS or the NY Times are fair and balanced in
their reporting?

What does that have to do with your claims about Fox? Nothing.

Actualy, what I like is Jon Stewart. No problems seeing what side of
the fence he's on, and he will make you howl (in laughter if you lean
left and in protest if you lean right).

BTW, if you want "Fair and Balanced", you should read Carville and
Matalin's book on the '92 election, "All's Fair". What a great read!

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local
humour, but, of course, we always enjoy laughing at the stupidity of
the
average American. Watching that clip again, makes me realise how
Dubya
got
voted in - TWICE. I guess stupid Americans got a President with the
same
level of intelligence.


The stupidity is from yo thnking that there's no bias at CNN and that
they
don't cherry pick idiots to make a point.

CNN's bias, if any, if FAR less than Fox's.

50% of Fox's commentary is Liberal and the other 50% of their commentary
is
Conservative.

Bull****.

Their news reporting is objective.

More bull****.

Get out a stop watch and time the commentary programs.
As for the news I've seen nothing to indcate it is not objective reporting,
unlike virtually every other news program on cable or broadcast networks.

You've got to be kidding. Which Fox News show host, other than co-host
Colmes, could you POSSIBLY call "liberal"? Hannity? Obviously not.
Gibson? Ditto. Snow? Ditto. Hume? Ditto. O"Reilly? Ditto.

Can you show us some examples off CNN's bias? CNBC?

dave weil wrote:

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50% of Fox's commentary is Liberal and the other 50% of their commentary is
Conservative.
Their news reporting is objective.

If you believe that, then you're more of a fool than you pretend to be
here on RAO.

Dave,

Aren't you giving McKelvy too much credit here? I'm not sure he's
pretending!

dave weil wrote:

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Yep, instead of Dan Rather, Fox has Brit Hume, who's just slightly
left of the Kaiser. That's a guy who can't even be othered to hide his
contempt.

Only just.

I suppose the following FACT will be lost on McKelvy and Scott, but I'll
throw it out anyway:

Hume has an evening news show in which he is supposed to read the news
and interview guests, just like any other news bulletin.

On this one occasion, his show ended with a piece on an anti-war
protest. At the very end of the video clip they showed a woman waving a
banner and shouting something.

The clip ended and the camera panned back to him. He chuckled,
enunciated the words "stupid woman" and then bid his viewers good night.

A very crafty and well choreographed editorial, don't you think? So much
for the fairness and balance of Fox News.

No doubt, Michael McKelvy - aka Brave Warrior and harbinger of
democracy, freedom and justice - will consider this a lawful exercise of
Hume's First Amendment.

dave weil wrote:

Why do you you lump Limbaugh and O'Reilly together? Rush is a conservative
and O"Reilly is an independant.


You ARE joking, right?

I find it interesting that this "independent" only names "far left
websites" in his section on (please try not to laugh) Media Defamamtion.

snicker

Given O'Reilly's solid (or is it sordid?) track record of sexual tourism
in Asia, pontificating on our morality while making sexual overtures to
those who work for him and making blatantly racist comments in public
(referring to Mexicans as 'wetbacks' and the now-famous 'I hope the Best
Men aren't stealing our hub caps'), I would have thought that O'Reilly
would have also been attacked by far-right websites?

Very strange indeed.

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:06:00 GMT, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:

**Here's what I wrote:

"Just because one US citizen perpetrated the worst terrorist act in US
history, during the 1990s,"

Please elucidate. Which was worse?

Try again. What you said was that the worst terrorist act in the US
occured in the 1990s and it happened to be perpetrated by one US
citizen. That's how you wrote it, at least.

What you MEANT was something like, The worst terrorist act in the US
in the 1990s was perpetrated by one US citizen.

**Mea culpa.


And, btw, that particular act had more than one participant.

**And yet, his execution was carried out anyway.


If you're STILL confused how you got it wrong, ask yourself what the
phrase "worst terrorist act in US history" means.

**I can see how badly I phrased it.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

Trevor Wilson wrote:
"ScottW" wrote in message

**I don't care about speeches. I care about actions. Dubya sent thousands of
Americans to their deaths, based on lies.


Why are you such a staunch defender of Saddam and his murderous
regime?

I think that 70 year old Iraqi grandmother I heard a clip of on the
radio said it best,

"If you don't appreciate what America and George Bush have done for
Iraq, you can go to hell".

But if you can't accept that.. then I'm sure this guy will make you
feel better.

http://iraqirebel.blogspot.com/


ScottW

"ScottW" wrote in message
oups.com...

Trevor Wilson wrote:
"ScottW" wrote in message

**I don't care about speeches. I care about actions. Dubya sent thousands
of
Americans to their deaths, based on lies.


Why are you such a staunch defender of Saddam and his murderous
regime?

**When will you stop beating the crap out of your wife?

Just to ensure that you understand my meaning, focus on the following words:

I have NEVER supported or defended Saddam. Even when successive US
governments supported and armed him. Not ever. I do not support the
murderous regime in China, either. Nor the corrupt and murderous
dictatorship in Saudi Arabia. The same regime which is fully and completely
supported by Dubya. Nor do I support the murderous regime in North Korea and
so on. OK?

I do, however, support the failed US efforts to bring to justice the
murderers who orchestrated the 9-11 atrocities. Sadly, Dubya seems to have
decided to ignore OBL and concentrate on a person who has not threatened the
US. The loved ones of those Americans who have been killed in Dubya's
illegal war have every right to be very ****ed off. Ever Aermican taxpayer
has every right to be ****ed off at the open-ended cost of a war which has
not assisted the vast majority of US citizens.

If the US WANTS to the planet's police force, then, by all means, do the
job. But do it right. Start with North Korea. North Korea is a MUCH larger
threat to the US and to the rest of the planet. Not to mention the
long-suffering North Koreans. Trouble is, North Korea doesn't have any oil.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

ScottW "The Môron" a écrit :

"If you don't appreciate what America and George Bush have done for
Iraq, you can go to hell".

Yes the Bush have killed their family 2 times one in 1992 and one in 2003.

In 1992 Bush senior had all the world behind him so why did he decided
to stop at the frontiere of Iraq ? Just for the pleasure to see Saddam
kill more innocents ?
Why did Bush senior has abandoned Kurdes in the north and Shiite in the
South to the vengeance of Saddam.
Why did Bush junior has felt obliged to invent this grotesque story of
WMDs if hes was really acting for the *democracy* in Iraq ?

Go to watch Foxnews with you friend McKelvy you don't deserve a better
source of informaion.

--
Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote.
But what's new around here?

Dave Weil - Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:57:15 -0500

Trevor Wilson wrote:
"ScottW" wrote in message
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Trevor Wilson wrote:
"ScottW" wrote in message

**I don't care about speeches. I care about actions. Dubya sent thousands
of
Americans to their deaths, based on lies.


Why are you such a staunch defender of Saddam and his murderous
regime?

**When will you stop beating the crap out of your wife?

Just to ensure that you understand my meaning, focus on the following words:

I have NEVER supported or defended Saddam.

Then why aren't you celebrating his demise... regardless of the
justification?
You should check out Bush's speech. He accepted that intell was bad.

Even when successive US
governments supported and armed him. Not ever. I do not support the
murderous regime in China, either. Nor the corrupt and murderous
dictatorship in Saudi Arabia. The same regime which is fully and completely
supported by Dubya. Nor do I support the murderous regime in North Korea and
so on. OK?

I do, however, support the failed US efforts to bring to justice the
murderers who orchestrated the 9-11 atrocities. Sadly, Dubya seems to have
decided to ignore OBL and concentrate on a person who has not threatened the
US. The loved ones of those Americans who have been killed in Dubya's
illegal war have every right to be very ****ed off. Ever Aermican taxpayer
has every right to be ****ed off at the open-ended cost of a war which has
not assisted the vast majority of US citizens.

Then leave all that ****ing to Americans.

If the US WANTS to the planet's police force, then, by all means, do the
job. But do it right. Start with North Korea. North Korea is a MUCH larger
threat to the US and to the rest of the planet. Not to mention the
long-suffering North Koreans. Trouble is, North Korea doesn't have any oil.

Stupid argument. If you can't do everything... then do nothing. Well,
obviously we can't do everything... so you shouldn't reject a good
thing just because it isn't your personal top priority. You also
forget North Korea remains a protectorate of China.

ScottW

Lionel wrote:
ScottW "The Môron" a écrit :

"If you don't appreciate what America and George Bush have done for
Iraq, you can go to hell".

Yes the Bush have killed their family 2 times one in 1992 and one in 2003.

In 1992 Bush senior had all the world behind him so why did he decided
to stop at the frontiere of Iraq ?

Lionel you're complete idiot and severe embarrassment to your pathetic
country. Just FYI, US forces didn't stop at the frontier of Iraq....
they stopped short of Baghdad because the UN mandate only called for
getting him out of Kuwait.

Just for the pleasure to see Saddam
kill more innocents ?
Why did Bush senior has abandoned Kurdes in the north and Shiite in the
South to the vengeance of Saddam.

France wouldn't support it in the UN you hypocritical scumbag.

ScottW

In . com, ScottW wrote :


Lionel wrote:
ScottW "The Môron" a écrit :

"If you don't appreciate what America and George Bush have done for
Iraq, you can go to hell".

Yes the Bush have killed their family 2 times one in 1992 and one in
2003.

In 1992 Bush senior had all the world behind him so why did he decided
to stop at the frontiere of Iraq ?

Lionel you're complete idiot and severe embarrassment to your pathetic
country. Just FYI, US forces didn't stop at the frontier of Iraq....
they stopped short of Baghdad because the UN mandate only called for
getting him out of Kuwait.


LOL did you get a UN mandate for making war in Iraq now ?


Just for the pleasure to see Saddam
kill more innocents ?
Why did Bush senior has abandoned Kurdes in the north and Shiite in the
South to the vengeance of Saddam.

France wouldn't support it in the UN you hypocritical scumbag.


That's a lie. At this time all the France was agree to sweep out Saddam from
Iraq.
The good answer is that Bush senior has complied with a South Arabian
express request. I bet that you knew that, you moronic liar...

BTW according to you coward strategy you have carefully avoid to answer to
the last question :
If the project of Bush was democracy for Iraq why did he felt obliged to
invent this grotesque WMDs lie ?

--
"Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote.
But what's new around here?"

Dave Weil, Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:57:15

"ScottW" wrote in message
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Trevor Wilson wrote:
"ScottW" wrote in message
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Trevor Wilson wrote:
"ScottW" wrote in message

**I don't care about speeches. I care about actions. Dubya sent
thousands
of
Americans to their deaths, based on lies.


Why are you such a staunch defender of Saddam and his murderous
regime?

**When will you stop beating the crap out of your wife?

Just to ensure that you understand my meaning, focus on the following
words:

I have NEVER supported or defended Saddam.

Then why aren't you celebrating his demise... regardless of the
justification?

**When will you stop beating your wife?

Ask a ****ing reasonable question and I will ****ing answer it.

You could ask the following:

* Do you think that Saddam is bad?
* Do you think it is a good thing that Saddam has been removed from power?
* Do you think it is a good thing that Dubya lied to the US public about his
reasons for attacking Iraq?


You should check out Bush's speech. He accepted that intell was bad.

**I heard Dubya's lies. They're utterly laughable. He lied then and he lies
now. And you are suicking those lies up. Be ashamed. Very ashamed.


Even when successive US
governments supported and armed him. Not ever. I do not support the
murderous regime in China, either. Nor the corrupt and murderous
dictatorship in Saudi Arabia. The same regime which is fully and
completely
supported by Dubya. Nor do I support the murderous regime in North Korea
and
so on. OK?

I do, however, support the failed US efforts to bring to justice the
murderers who orchestrated the 9-11 atrocities. Sadly, Dubya seems to
have
decided to ignore OBL and concentrate on a person who has not threatened
the
US. The loved ones of those Americans who have been killed in Dubya's
illegal war have every right to be very ****ed off. Ever Aermican
taxpayer
has every right to be ****ed off at the open-ended cost of a war which
has
not assisted the vast majority of US citizens.

Then leave all that ****ing to Americans.

**All very well, but the US has managed to destabilise the Middle East, all
on it's own. It has put most Westerners in mortal danger. Had Dubya
concentrated on the important duty (catching OBL), instead of launching an
illegal, ill-conceived war, he may not have alienated the entire Mid East
and most of the rest of the world.


If the US WANTS to the planet's police force, then, by all means, do the
job. But do it right. Start with North Korea. North Korea is a MUCH
larger
threat to the US and to the rest of the planet. Not to mention the
long-suffering North Koreans. Trouble is, North Korea doesn't have any
oil.

Stupid argument.

**Oh really? Why? The North Korean regime is killing it's people faster than
Saddam could kill his. NOrth Korea also poses a serious risk to the entire
planet. Saddam did not.

If you can't do everything... then do nothing.

**Nope. First, you catch OBL.

Well,
obviously we can't do everything...

**You STILL have not managed to catch OBL.

so you shouldn't reject a good
thing just because it isn't your personal top priority.

**Top priority should be to protect Americans. THAT is the role of the
President.

You also
forget North Korea remains a protectorate of China.

**I forget nothing.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

Trevor Wilson wrote:

**I forget nothing.

What do you make of this spin on the usual conservative agenda of
individual liberty before anything else?

How do reconcile this with Bush being a good conservative?

To quote Mickey, GMAFB.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/15/po...gewanted=print

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:41:16 GMT, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


If the US WANTS to the planet's police force, then, by all means, do the
job. But do it right. Start with North Korea. North Korea is a MUCH larger
threat to the US and to the rest of the planet. Not to mention the
long-suffering North Koreans. Trouble is, North Korea doesn't have any oil.

Trevor, cynicism can be deceptive. Whatever you may think of political
idealism, you have to ascribe a goodly portion of it to Bush and his
advisers. Given the amount of air time given to their thinking, I'm
astonished at the number of people who still believe it's just about
oil.

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 01:11:39 +0100, Lionel
wrote:


BTW according to you coward strategy you have carefully avoid to answer to
the last question :
If the project of Bush was democracy for Iraq why did he felt obliged to
invent this grotesque WMDs lie ?

Fairly obvious, isn't it? How else to get US populace on-side? It'd be
nice if the people of great countries were always prepared to
sacrifice their sons to free the people of other, less powerful
countries, but unfortunately they rarely are unless they perceive a
threat to themselves. WMDs were the invented but necessary threat.

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 00:16:21 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

ScottW "The Môron" a écrit :

"If you don't appreciate what America and George Bush have done for
Iraq, you can go to hell".

Yes the Bush have killed their family 2 times one in 1992 and one in 2003.

Don't know if it's worse than forcing their kids into technical
schools like you French do.