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Does anyone know if _Stereophile_ was ever subjected to a class-action
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wrote: Does anyone know if _Stereophile_ was ever subjected to a class-action lawsuit? For what? One was threatened once, on the grounds that our review coverage lowered the resale value of the component involved. However, nothing came of it. John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile |
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wrote in message oups.com... Does anyone know if _Stereophile_ was ever subjected to a class-action lawsuit? **Nope. AFAIK, SP has never reviewed Bose speakers. If they do review them (honestly), then we can expect some real legal fireworks. SP would not survive, as Bose has the best lawyers. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au |
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"François Yves Le Gal" wrote in message ... On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:03:47 GMT, "Trevor Wilson" wrote: AFAIK, SP has never reviewed Bose speakers Meep. Try http://www.stereophile.com/loudspeak...425/index.html **Ouch! I guess that review was done, before Bose could afford decent (now there's a contradiction in terms) lawyers. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au |
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"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message ... "François Yves Le Gal" wrote in message ... On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:03:47 GMT, "Trevor Wilson" wrote: AFAIK, SP has never reviewed Bose speakers Meep. Try http://www.stereophile.com/loudspeak...425/index.html **Ouch! I guess that review was done, before Bose could afford decent (now there's a contradiction in terms) lawyers. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au Stereophile is undoubtedly covered by the lawyers of the corporate parent. I don't think Bose would take them on with the same abandon they would a small company or individual. |
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Trevor Wilson wrote: AFAIK, SP has never reviewed Bose speakers. If they do review them (honestly), then we can expect some real legal fireworks. We did review the Bose 901. Stereophile Guide to Home Theater also reviewed one of the satellite/woofer home theater packages at the end of the 1990s, for which I did the measurements. The reviewer compared the Bose negatively with a PSB system; the measurements were dreadful, with a 10dB rise from the low midrange through the high treble. No, we were not sued. John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile |
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I wrote:
Does anyone know if _Stereophile_ was ever subjected to a class-action lawsuit? John Atkinson wrote: For what? Audiophiles who believe that they may have been misled into buying extremely expensive components when ordinary components would have given them the same sound--i.e., amps, CD players, wires. If I am not mistaken, it is widely agreed among audio researchers and professors of electrical engineering that _Stereophile_ is nonsense. Scientific data--specifically from properly conducted and interpreted double-blind tests--have repeatedly shown that _Stereophile_ is nonsense. These audiophiles may feel that you and _Stereophile_ have enriched yourselves at their expense. Chocolate tastes better than vanilla--opinion. The earth is flat--fantasy. --124 |
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wrote in message oups.com... : I wrote: : : Does anyone know if _Stereophile_ was : ever subjected to a class-action : lawsuit? : : John Atkinson wrote: : : For what? : : Audiophiles who believe that they may : have been misled into buying extremely : expensive components when ordinary : components would have given them the : same sound--i.e., amps, CD players, : wires. : : If I am not mistaken, it is widely agreed : among audio researchers and professors : of electrical engineering that _Stereophile_ : is nonsense. Scientific data--specifically : from properly conducted and interpreted : double-blind tests--have repeatedly shown : that _Stereophile_ is nonsense. : : These audiophiles may feel that you and : _Stereophile_ have enriched yourselves : at their expense. : : Chocolate tastes better than vanilla--opinion. : The earth is flat--fantasy. : : --124 : is it McKelvy starting another sockpuppet 'swervice' ? betting office opens at high noon :-) R. |
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wrote in message oups.com... If I am not mistaken, You *are* mistaken. And obviously clueless. Most likely a troll. And a bad one at that. My guess is that you are McCarty or that loser bicycle luber. Cheers, Margaret |
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"John Atkinson" wrote in message ups.com... Trevor Wilson wrote: AFAIK, SP has never reviewed Bose speakers. If they do review them (honestly), then we can expect some real legal fireworks. We did review the Bose 901. Stereophile Guide to Home Theater also reviewed one of the satellite/woofer home theater packages at the end of the 1990s, for which I did the measurements. The reviewer compared the Bose negatively with a PSB system; the measurements were dreadful, with a 10dB rise from the low midrange through the high treble. No, we were not sued. **I guess, if you were, Bose would have to admit the truth about their appallingly bad products in court. It's difficult to argue with the truth. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au |
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John Atkinson wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote: AFAIK, SP has never reviewed Bose speakers. If they do review them (honestly), then we can expect some real legal fireworks. We did review the Bose 901. Stereophile Guide to Home Theater also reviewed one of the satellite/woofer home theater packages at the end of the 1990s, for which I did the measurements. The reviewer compared the Bose negatively with a PSB system; the measurements were dreadful, with a 10dB rise from the low midrange through the high treble. Not at all surprising, since Bose make, for lack of a better word, absolutely dreadful speakers. If anything, it is Bose that should get sued by the Consumers Union not the other way around. The icing on the cake, of course, is their famous tagline of "Better Sound Through Research". Surely this is completely misleading and grounds for a class action lawsuit? |
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John Atkinson wrote:
I wrote: These audiophiles may feel that you and _Stereophile_ have enriched yourselves at their expense. If so, they are remarkably reticent at letting me know their feelings. I do not know if Mr. James Randi is an audiophile, but in the following link, he lets you know his feelings. He does not appear to be remarkably reticent. http://www.randi.org/jr/112604yes.html#4 I think Mr. Arthur Salvatore _is_ an audiophile. In the following link, he lets you know his feelings. He does not appear to be remarkably reticent. http://www.high-endaudio.com/RR-STEREOPHILE.html#Lies Perhaps they merely cease reading my magazine in favor of ones that support their worldview? I agree with you that some may stop reading your magazine. But some, like Tom Nousaine, read it for entertainment purposes only. If by _worldview_ you mean the view that is supported by scientific evidence, I again agree with you. (If they can find any that aren't closing, or already closed, of course.) It is a shame that magazines like _High Fidelity_, _Audio_, and _The Audio Critic_ have disappeared or have changed into a web 'zine. But readers should not think that this means that the subjectivists' position is the correct one. Objectivists are correct. --124 |
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"Schizoid Man" wrote in message ... John Atkinson wrote: Trevor Wilson wrote: AFAIK, SP has never reviewed Bose speakers. If they do review them (honestly), then we can expect some real legal fireworks. We did review the Bose 901. Stereophile Guide to Home Theater also reviewed one of the satellite/woofer home theater packages at the end of the 1990s, for which I did the measurements. The reviewer compared the Bose negatively with a PSB system; the measurements were dreadful, with a 10dB rise from the low midrange through the high treble. Not at all surprising, since Bose make, for lack of a better word, absolutely dreadful speakers. If anything, it is Bose that should get sued by the Consumers Union not the other way around. The icing on the cake, of course, is their famous tagline of "Better Sound Through Research". Surely this is completely misleading and grounds for a class action lawsuit? All in the ear of the beholder, certainly not anything I would buy, but they have produced technology that can be used and improved upon. 6th order bandpass being one example. I happen to think that their direct reflecting speakers could be very good if they used something better than the $12.00 drivers found in their current systems. Imagine it with some Scan-Speak drivers and you just might have something to write home about. Although the cost would be considerably higher. 9 of them working together would sound a helluva lot better than whatever crap they have in there now. Just for the hell of it I wonder what the 901's would sound like with a real subwoofer connected and crossed over at 80 Hz. |
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dave weil wrote: However, even 2 of the 3 magazines that you mention offered the SAME sort of "entertainment" that you describe coming from Stereophile and were guilty of the same sort of "scientific abuse" that you claim from Stereophile. Is that the same Sensible Sound whose current issue praises JA's measurements? Stephen |
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wrote: John Atkinson wrote: I wrote: These audiophiles may feel that you and _Stereophile_ have enriched yourselves at their expense. If so, they are remarkably reticent at letting me know their feelings. I do not know if Mr. James Randi is an audiophile, but in the following link, he lets you know his feelings. He does not appear to be remarkably reticent. http://www.randi.org/jr/112604yes.html#4 No, but he also attributes things to me I never wrote. Randi is a publicity-seeking old carnie who doesn't feel bound by the standards he demands of others. I think Mr. Arthur Salvatore _is_ an audiophile. In the following link, he lets you know his feelings. He does not appear to be remarkably reticent. http://www.high-endaudio.com/RR-STEREOPHILE.html#Lies No, but again, Mr. Salvatore is not backward in inventing things. And it is fair to point out that in all the 1000s of words these two gentlemen havedevoted to me and to Stereophile, neither has accused me of "enriching" myself "at their expense," which was the accusation you were trying to flesh out. It is a shame that magazines like _High Fidelity_, _Audio_, and _The Audio Critic_ have disappeared or have changed into a web 'zine. But readers should not think that this means that the subjectivists' position is the correct one. Objectivists are correct. No further discussion is possible when one of the participants declares hmself the winner. Congrats. Let me know how you get on with your lawsuit. John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile |
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wrote in message nk.net... "Schizoid Man" wrote in message ... John Atkinson wrote: Trevor Wilson wrote: AFAIK, SP has never reviewed Bose speakers. If they do review them (honestly), then we can expect some real legal fireworks. We did review the Bose 901. Stereophile Guide to Home Theater also reviewed one of the satellite/woofer home theater packages at the end of the 1990s, for which I did the measurements. The reviewer compared the Bose negatively with a PSB system; the measurements were dreadful, with a 10dB rise from the low midrange through the high treble. Not at all surprising, since Bose make, for lack of a better word, absolutely dreadful speakers. If anything, it is Bose that should get sued by the Consumers Union not the other way around. The icing on the cake, of course, is their famous tagline of "Better Sound Through Research". Surely this is completely misleading and grounds for a class action lawsuit? All in the ear of the beholder, certainly not anything I would buy, but they have produced technology that can be used and improved upon. 6th order bandpass being one example. **They stole the idea from KEF. Their 'Acoustic Wave' was stolen from Prof Bailey. The only orginal stuff from Bose was the rear/reflecting speaker. Which was a con-job anyway. I happen to think that their direct reflecting speakers could be very good if they used something better than the $12.00 drivers found in their current systems. Imagine it with some Scan-Speak drivers and you just might have something to write home about. Although the cost would be considerably higher. 9 of them working together would sound a helluva lot better than whatever crap they have in there now. Just for the hell of it I wonder what the 901's would sound like with a real subwoofer connected and crossed over at 80 Hz. **Crap with bass. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au |
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"François Yves Le Gal" wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:43:12 GMT, "Trevor Wilson" wrote: The only orginal stuff from Bose was the rear/reflecting speaker. Original ? Nope : at least a dozen designs predated the 901 and it's derivatives. Some by 40 years! **I stand corrected. Bose has developed nothing, except the art of hyperbole ('Helically Wound Voice Coils' indeed!) and litigation. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au |
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"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message ... wrote in message nk.net... "Schizoid Man" wrote in message ... John Atkinson wrote: Trevor Wilson wrote: AFAIK, SP has never reviewed Bose speakers. If they do review them (honestly), then we can expect some real legal fireworks. We did review the Bose 901. Stereophile Guide to Home Theater also reviewed one of the satellite/woofer home theater packages at the end of the 1990s, for which I did the measurements. The reviewer compared the Bose negatively with a PSB system; the measurements were dreadful, with a 10dB rise from the low midrange through the high treble. Not at all surprising, since Bose make, for lack of a better word, absolutely dreadful speakers. If anything, it is Bose that should get sued by the Consumers Union not the other way around. The icing on the cake, of course, is their famous tagline of "Better Sound Through Research". Surely this is completely misleading and grounds for a class action lawsuit? All in the ear of the beholder, certainly not anything I would buy, but they have produced technology that can be used and improved upon. 6th order bandpass being one example. **They stole the idea from KEF. Their 'Acoustic Wave' was stolen from Prof Bailey. The only orginal stuff from Bose was the rear/reflecting speaker. Which was a con-job anyway. How is it a con job? I happen to think that their direct reflecting speakers could be very good if they used something better than the $12.00 drivers found in their current systems. Imagine it with some Scan-Speak drivers and you just might have something to write home about. Although the cost would be considerably higher. 9 of them working together would sound a helluva lot better than whatever crap they have in there now. Just for the hell of it I wonder what the 901's would sound like with a real subwoofer connected and crossed over at 80 Hz. **Crap with bass. An opinion you get to have, the question is why you think it would be. The only demo I ever heard of a 901 was impressive except for the bass and the rolled off highs. With a couple of decent tweeters and different drivers there just might be something worth having. |
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wrote in message nk.net... "Trevor Wilson" wrote in message ... wrote in message nk.net... "Schizoid Man" wrote in message ... John Atkinson wrote: Trevor Wilson wrote: AFAIK, SP has never reviewed Bose speakers. If they do review them (honestly), then we can expect some real legal fireworks. We did review the Bose 901. Stereophile Guide to Home Theater also reviewed one of the satellite/woofer home theater packages at the end of the 1990s, for which I did the measurements. The reviewer compared the Bose negatively with a PSB system; the measurements were dreadful, with a 10dB rise from the low midrange through the high treble. Not at all surprising, since Bose make, for lack of a better word, absolutely dreadful speakers. If anything, it is Bose that should get sued by the Consumers Union not the other way around. The icing on the cake, of course, is their famous tagline of "Better Sound Through Research". Surely this is completely misleading and grounds for a class action lawsuit? All in the ear of the beholder, certainly not anything I would buy, but they have produced technology that can be used and improved upon. 6th order bandpass being one example. **They stole the idea from KEF. Their 'Acoustic Wave' was stolen from Prof Bailey. The only orginal stuff from Bose was the rear/reflecting speaker. Which was a con-job anyway. How is it a con job? **The Direct/Reflecting system was created to simulate a concert hall. ANY recording made in a concert hall, will already have the ambient cues. Worse, the Bose system does not even come remotely close to any concert hall anywhere on the planet. IOW: It doesn't work, nor could it work as advertised. I happen to think that their direct reflecting speakers could be very good if they used something better than the $12.00 drivers found in their current systems. Imagine it with some Scan-Speak drivers and you just might have something to write home about. Although the cost would be considerably higher. 9 of them working together would sound a helluva lot better than whatever crap they have in there now. Just for the hell of it I wonder what the 901's would sound like with a real subwoofer connected and crossed over at 80 Hz. **Crap with bass. An opinion you get to have, the question is why you think it would be. **Because Bose 901s are crap sounding speakers. They destroy any and all imaging which may be in the recording. HF response is utterly appalling. The only demo I ever heard of a 901 was impressive except for the bass and the rolled off highs. With a couple of decent tweeters and different drivers there just might be something worth having. **LOL! Thanks for making my point. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au |
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