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On Nov 23, 1:41*am, Andre Jute wrote:
landotter wrote:
On Nov 21, 11:14*pm, Andre Jute wrote:
On Nov 20, 4:28 pm, RonSonic wrote:


Like so many things I recommend giving this time to prove itself out before
acting or speaking rashly. But then, that's how I felt about Global Warmism
itself.


Short version: The British Met office at Hadley has been allegedly hacked and
years of emails and documents were opened and exposed on the internets. The
director there confirms the hackage and says that these are indeed their emails
and documents. Actually, it looks a lot more like an inside job than an external
hacker


http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/a.../heraldsun/com...


Unless someone spent a lot of time writing fake emails the numbers have been
subjected to a lot more warming than has our climate.


Easy to create a "consensus" if you're willing to just lie to people.


Ron


One really has to wonder how many times the corruption in climatogy
will have to be exposed before the politicians start smelling the
decay of scientific principle.


This is utterly Stalinesque.


Lie.


Perhaps, before you start namecalling, dear Maxine, you should let me
develop my thought:

These socalled scientists are not even
asking, "What is the truth?"


Lie.


Real scientists, rather than these so-called, self-styled
"scientists", understand that to be true science, the results must be
falsifiable. Real scientists, rather than these so-called, self-styled
"scientists", share data. Instead these jerks admit in their e-mails
to going to great lengths to keep the data from which they falsified
their desired result from those who would prove their incompetence and
lying.

Refusal to share data is adequate and sufficient proof of bad science.

They start and end by saying, "How can we
arrive at the politically desired result?"


Lie.


They knew that in the face of the Medieval Warm Period and the Little
Ice Age *there is no global warming*, merely a partial and ongoing
recovery to a prior equilibrium state. They knew the Hockey Stick was
a lie. They knew 1998 was not the hottest year on record, that 1934
was (in the depth of the Depression -- what did industry contribute to
that?). They knew all that, and kept producing the Hockey Stick even
after it was condemned as incompetent science by both the North and
the Wegman committees of the NAS testifying under oath before the
Barton Committee of the US Senate. These self-styled "scientists" lied
for political and financial advantage. Period. Their e-mails prove it.

In short, they knew from
the beginning that they were lying, that Michael Mann was lying, that
the hockey stick was and is a lie told by Mann, Briffa, the IPCC, and
by the so-called "peer reviewers".


Lie. No evidence of claim.


In a separate thread "US National Academy of Science CONDEMNS Global
Warming Lies"http://groups.google.ie/group/rec.bicycles.tech/browse_thread/thread/...
I publish the evidence given on oath by the NAS Panel under North,
constituted to defend Mann against questions by the US Senate as if
these were merely political questions (!), which none the less found
Mann incompetent in exactly the same way the Wegman Panel of
statisticians denounced Mann. That's all the evidence, even without
the recent exposures of the damning e-mails between this conspiring
claque of crooks, required to state that they knew for years, and yet
continued to write IPCC reports showing the lying hockey stick.

McIntyre and McKittrick's paper exposing the Hockey Stick as a
statistical fraud was published even earlier. There is no possible
defense of ignorance for the scientific crooks Mann, Jones and Briffa
(all important writers of IPCC reports on which trillions were
misspent; all beneficiaries under false pretenses of huge government
grants, about which there should be a police investigation); they knew
precisely what they were doing, as the e-mails prove.

They sold out to the IPCC
bureaucrats more than a decade ago, and the pols (with the honorable
exception of Senator Barton's committee whom I've quoted here before)
still haven't found them out!


Lie. No evidence of claim.


The proof that I quoted the evidence before Senator Barton's committee
stands here on RBT in the archives. I republish that evidence in a
separate thread.http://groups.google.ie/group/rec.bi...thread/thread/...
The date on which they sold out is fixed by the Reuter report of the
complaint.

That these self-styled messiahs sold out to the bureaucrates at the
IPCC "more than a decade ago" is easily proved by the Reuters report
of Dec. 20, 1995 which quoted British scientist Keith Shine, one of
IPCC's lead authors, discussing the IPCC Policymakersí Summary: "We
produce a draft, and then the policymakers go through it line by line
and change the way it is presented.... It's peculiar that they have
the final say in what goes into a scientists' report." The Science and
Environmental Policy Project conducted a survey of IPCC scientific
contributors and reviewers and found that about half did not support
the Policymakers' Summary. Parallel surveys by the Gallup organization
and even by Greenpeace International produced similar results. In 1995
it was already long since clear and established that the scientists
were not independent and should have rejected the IPCC shilling (and
influence and interference) with contempt.

Ugh!


Is that a post-lying interjection?


Poor Maxine. If you didn't invite all the world vicariously into your
pain, you wouldn't look so stupid for having believed these crooks
from whom you bought that bottle of snake oil called global warming.
By contrast, I've been on the arse of these doomsayers since I was a
precocious teenager with a newspaper column. These global warming
bozos are no less incompetent and no less crooked than the hole in the
ozone layer clowns, or the global popsicle clowns of the seventies, or
the Millennium Bug clowns.

Your response is juvenile: denial and name-calling. The facts are on
the table: proof positive, rational, incontestable. Your heroes lied,
and lied, and lied, and lied. Knowingly, repeatedly. For base motives.
For financial gain. And they were so arrogant, they wrote it all down
in their e-mails for posterity to see their pettiness and baseness.

Suck it up and move on, Maxine. There are plenty of other unworthy
causes for a worthless trendy like you to give her whole whoring
little heart to, so that you can feel you belong somewhere at least
until all the other worthless little trendies move on to the next fad.

Andre Jute
Reformed petrol head
Car-free since 1992
Greener than thou!


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Andre Jute wrote:
On Nov 23, 1:41 am, Andre Jute wrote:
landotter wrote:
On Nov 21, 11:14 pm, Andre Jute wrote:
On Nov 20, 4:28 pm, RonSonic wrote:


Like so many things I recommend giving this time to prove itself
out before acting or speaking rashly. But then, that's how I felt
about Global Warmism itself.


Short version: The British Met office at Hadley has been
allegedly hacked and years of emails and documents were opened
and exposed on the internets. The director there confirms the
hackage and says that these are indeed their emails and
documents. Actually, it looks a lot more like an inside job than
an external hacker


http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/a.../heraldsun/com...


Unless someone spent a lot of time writing fake emails the
numbers have been subjected to a lot more warming than has our
climate.


Easy to create a "consensus" if you're willing to just lie to
people.


Ron


One really has to wonder how many times the corruption in climatogy
will have to be exposed before the politicians start smelling the
decay of scientific principle.


This is utterly Stalinesque.


Lie.


Perhaps, before you start namecalling, dear Maxine, you should let me
develop my thought:

These socalled scientists are not even
asking, "What is the truth?"


Lie.


Real scientists, rather than these so-called, self-styled
"scientists", understand that to be true science, the results must be
falsifiable. Real scientists, rather than these so-called,
self-styled "scientists", share data. Instead these jerks admit in
their e-mails
to going to great lengths to keep the data from which they falsified
their desired result from those who would prove their incompetence
and
lying.

Refusal to share data is adequate and sufficient proof of bad
science.

They start and end by saying, "How can we
arrive at the politically desired result?"


Lie.


They knew that in the face of the Medieval Warm Period and the Little
Ice Age *there is no global warming*, merely a partial and ongoing
recovery to a prior equilibrium state. They knew the Hockey Stick was
a lie. They knew 1998 was not the hottest year on record, that 1934
was (in the depth of the Depression -- what did industry contribute
to
that?). They knew all that, and kept producing the Hockey Stick even
after it was condemned as incompetent science by both the North and
the Wegman committees of the NAS testifying under oath before the
Barton Committee of the US Senate. These self-styled "scientists"
lied
for political and financial advantage. Period. Their e-mails prove
it.

In short, they knew from
the beginning that they were lying, that Michael Mann was lying,
that the hockey stick was and is a lie told by Mann, Briffa, the
IPCC, and by the so-called "peer reviewers".


Lie. No evidence of claim.


In a separate thread "US National Academy of Science CONDEMNS Global
Warming
Lies"http://groups.google.ie/group/rec.bicycles.tech/browse_thread/thread/...
I publish the evidence given on oath by the NAS Panel under North,
constituted to defend Mann against questions by the US Senate as if
these were merely political questions (!), which none the less found
Mann incompetent in exactly the same way the Wegman Panel of
statisticians denounced Mann. That's all the evidence, even without
the recent exposures of the damning e-mails between this conspiring
claque of crooks, required to state that they knew for years, and yet
continued to write IPCC reports showing the lying hockey stick.

McIntyre and McKittrick's paper exposing the Hockey Stick as a
statistical fraud was published even earlier. There is no possible
defense of ignorance for the scientific crooks Mann, Jones and Briffa
(all important writers of IPCC reports on which trillions were
misspent; all beneficiaries under false pretenses of huge government
grants, about which there should be a police investigation); they
knew
precisely what they were doing, as the e-mails prove.

They sold out to the IPCC
bureaucrats more than a decade ago, and the pols (with the
honorable exception of Senator Barton's committee whom I've quoted
here before) still haven't found them out!


Lie. No evidence of claim.


The proof that I quoted the evidence before Senator Barton's
committee
stands here on RBT in the archives. I republish that evidence in a
separate
thread.http://groups.google.ie/group/rec.bi...thread/thread/...
The date on which they sold out is fixed by the Reuter report of the
complaint.

That these self-styled messiahs sold out to the bureaucrates at the
IPCC "more than a decade ago" is easily proved by the Reuters report
of Dec. 20, 1995 which quoted British scientist Keith Shine, one of
IPCC's lead authors, discussing the IPCC Policymakersí Summary: "We
produce a draft, and then the policymakers go through it line by line
and change the way it is presented.... It's peculiar that they have
the final say in what goes into a scientists' report." The Science
and
Environmental Policy Project conducted a survey of IPCC scientific
contributors and reviewers and found that about half did not support
the Policymakers' Summary. Parallel surveys by the Gallup
organization
and even by Greenpeace International produced similar results. In
1995
it was already long since clear and established that the scientists
were not independent and should have rejected the IPCC shilling (and
influence and interference) with contempt.

Ugh!


Is that a post-lying interjection?


Poor Maxine. If you didn't invite all the world vicariously into your
pain, you wouldn't look so stupid for having believed these crooks
from whom you bought that bottle of snake oil called global warming.
By contrast, I've been on the arse of these doomsayers since I was a
precocious teenager with a newspaper column. These global warming
bozos are no less incompetent and no less crooked than the hole in
the
ozone layer clowns, or the global popsicle clowns of the seventies,
or
the Millennium Bug clowns.

Your response is juvenile: denial and name-calling. The facts are on
the table: proof positive, rational, incontestable. Your heroes lied,
and lied, and lied, and lied. Knowingly, repeatedly. For base
motives.
For financial gain. And they were so arrogant, they wrote it all down
in their e-mails for posterity to see their pettiness and baseness.

Suck it up and move on, Maxine. There are plenty of other unworthy
causes for a worthless trendy like you to give her whole whoring
little heart to, so that you can feel you belong somewhere at least
until all the other worthless little trendies move on to the next
fad.

Andre Jute
Reformed petrol head
Car-free since 1992
Greener than thou!


XXX XXX XXX


That the Global Warming Activist Sect would stoop to ideologically driven
falsification of data and then lie more to cover it up is hardly surprising.
That the Ground Rat would stoop to crude, mean-spirited personal attacks on
the poster(s) who provided the link(s) proving it, even less so.

Bill "don't need to be no stinkin' Kreskin to predict such stuff" S.


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On Nov 22, 8:38 pm, "Bill Sornson" wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:
On Nov 23, 1:41 am, Andre Jute wrote:
landotter wrote:
On Nov 21, 11:14 pm, Andre Jute wrote:
On Nov 20, 4:28 pm, RonSonic wrote:


Like so many things I recommend giving this time to prove itself
out before acting or speaking rashly. But then, that's how I felt
about Global Warmism itself.


Short version: The British Met office at Hadley has been
allegedly hacked and years of emails and documents were opened
and exposed on the internets. The director there confirms the
hackage and says that these are indeed their emails and
documents. Actually, it looks a lot more like an inside job than
an external hacker


http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/a.../heraldsun/com...


Unless someone spent a lot of time writing fake emails the
numbers have been subjected to a lot more warming than has our
climate.


Easy to create a "consensus" if you're willing to just lie to
people.


Ron


One really has to wonder how many times the corruption in climatogy
will have to be exposed before the politicians start smelling the
decay of scientific principle.


This is utterly Stalinesque.


Lie.


Perhaps, before you start namecalling, dear Maxine, you should let me
develop my thought:


These socalled scientists are not even
asking, "What is the truth?"


Lie.


Real scientists, rather than these so-called, self-styled
"scientists", understand that to be true science, the results must be
falsifiable. Real scientists, rather than these so-called,
self-styled "scientists", share data. Instead these jerks admit in
their e-mails
to going to great lengths to keep the data from which they falsified
their desired result from those who would prove their incompetence
and
lying.


Refusal to share data is adequate and sufficient proof of bad
science.


They start and end by saying, "How can we
arrive at the politically desired result?"


Lie.


They knew that in the face of the Medieval Warm Period and the Little
Ice Age *there is no global warming*, merely a partial and ongoing
recovery to a prior equilibrium state. They knew the Hockey Stick was
a lie. They knew 1998 was not the hottest year on record, that 1934
was (in the depth of the Depression -- what did industry contribute
to
that?). They knew all that, and kept producing the Hockey Stick even
after it was condemned as incompetent science by both the North and
the Wegman committees of the NAS testifying under oath before the
Barton Committee of the US Senate. These self-styled "scientists"
lied
for political and financial advantage. Period. Their e-mails prove
it.


In short, they knew from
the beginning that they were lying, that Michael Mann was lying,
that the hockey stick was and is a lie told by Mann, Briffa, the
IPCC, and by the so-called "peer reviewers".


Lie. No evidence of claim.


In a separate thread "US National Academy of Science CONDEMNS Global
Warming
Lies"http://groups.google.ie/group/rec.bicycles.tech/browse_thread/thread/...
I publish the evidence given on oath by the NAS Panel under North,
constituted to defend Mann against questions by the US Senate as if
these were merely political questions (!), which none the less found
Mann incompetent in exactly the same way the Wegman Panel of
statisticians denounced Mann. That's all the evidence, even without
the recent exposures of the damning e-mails between this conspiring
claque of crooks, required to state that they knew for years, and yet
continued to write IPCC reports showing the lying hockey stick.


McIntyre and McKittrick's paper exposing the Hockey Stick as a
statistical fraud was published even earlier. There is no possible
defense of ignorance for the scientific crooks Mann, Jones and Briffa
(all important writers of IPCC reports on which trillions were
misspent; all beneficiaries under false pretenses of huge government
grants, about which there should be a police investigation); they
knew
precisely what they were doing, as the e-mails prove.


They sold out to the IPCC
bureaucrats more than a decade ago, and the pols (with the
honorable exception of Senator Barton's committee whom I've quoted
here before) still haven't found them out!


Lie. No evidence of claim.


The proof that I quoted the evidence before Senator Barton's
committee
stands here on RBT in the archives. I republish that evidence in a
separate
thread.http://groups.google.ie/group/rec.bi...thread/thread/...
The date on which they sold out is fixed by the Reuter report of the
complaint.


That these self-styled messiahs sold out to the bureaucrates at the
IPCC "more than a decade ago" is easily proved by the Reuters report
of Dec. 20, 1995 which quoted British scientist Keith Shine, one of
IPCC's lead authors, discussing the IPCC Policymakersí Summary: "We
produce a draft, and then the policymakers go through it line by line
and change the way it is presented.... It's peculiar that they have
the final say in what goes into a scientists' report." The Science
and
Environmental Policy Project conducted a survey of IPCC scientific
contributors and reviewers and found that about half did not support
the Policymakers' Summary. Parallel surveys by the Gallup
organization
and even by Greenpeace International produced similar results. In
1995
it was already long since clear and established that the scientists
were not independent and should have rejected the IPCC shilling (and
influence and interference) with contempt.


Ugh!


Is that a post-lying interjection?


Poor Maxine. If you didn't invite all the world vicariously into your
pain, you wouldn't look so stupid for having believed these crooks
from whom you bought that bottle of snake oil called global warming.
By contrast, I've been on the arse of these doomsayers since I was a
precocious teenager with a newspaper column. These global warming
bozos are no less incompetent and no less crooked than the hole in
the
ozone layer clowns, or the global popsicle clowns of the seventies,
or
the Millennium Bug clowns.


Your response is juvenile: denial and name-calling. The facts are on
the table: proof positive, rational, incontestable. Your heroes lied,
and lied, and lied, and lied. Knowingly, repeatedly. For base
motives.
For financial gain. And they were so arrogant, they wrote it all down
in their e-mails for posterity to see their pettiness and baseness.


Suck it up and move on, Maxine. There are plenty of other unworthy
causes for a worthless trendy like you to give her whole whoring
little heart to, so that you can feel you belong somewhere at least
until all the other worthless little trendies move on to the next
fad.


Andre Jute
Reformed petrol head
Car-free since 1992
Greener than thou!


XXX XXX XXX


That the Global Warming Activist Sect would stoop to ideologically driven
falsification of data and then lie more to cover it up is hardly surprising.
That the Ground Rat would stoop to crude, mean-spirited personal attacks on
the poster(s) who provided the link(s) proving it, even less so.


"... ideologically driven... "?



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On Nov 22, 10:38*pm, "Bill Sornson" wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:
On Nov 23, 1:41 am, Andre Jute wrote:
landotter wrote:
On Nov 21, 11:14 pm, Andre Jute wrote:
On Nov 20, 4:28 pm, RonSonic wrote:


Like so many things I recommend giving this time to prove itself
out before acting or speaking rashly. But then, that's how I felt
about Global Warmism itself.


Short version: The British Met office at Hadley has been
allegedly hacked and years of emails and documents were opened
and exposed on the internets. The director there confirms the
hackage and says that these are indeed their emails and
documents. Actually, it looks a lot more like an inside job than
an external hacker


http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/a.../heraldsun/com...


Unless someone spent a lot of time writing fake emails the
numbers have been subjected to a lot more warming than has our
climate.


Easy to create a "consensus" if you're willing to just lie to
people.


Ron


One really has to wonder how many times the corruption in climatogy
will have to be exposed before the politicians start smelling the
decay of scientific principle.


This is utterly Stalinesque.


Lie.


Perhaps, before you start namecalling, dear Maxine, you should let me
develop my thought:


These socalled scientists are not even
asking, "What is the truth?"


Lie.


Real scientists, rather than these so-called, self-styled
"scientists", understand that to be true science, the results must be
falsifiable. Real scientists, rather than these so-called,
self-styled "scientists", share data. Instead these jerks admit in
their e-mails
to going to great lengths to keep the data from which they falsified
their desired result from those who would prove their incompetence
and
lying.


Refusal to share data is adequate and sufficient proof of bad
science.


They start and end by saying, "How can we
arrive at the politically desired result?"


Lie.


They knew that in the face of the Medieval Warm Period and the Little
Ice Age *there is no global warming*, merely a partial and ongoing
recovery to a prior equilibrium state. They knew the Hockey Stick was
a lie. They knew 1998 was not the hottest year on record, that 1934
was (in the depth of the Depression -- what did industry contribute
to
that?). They knew all that, and kept producing the Hockey Stick even
after it was condemned as incompetent science by both the North and
the Wegman committees of the NAS testifying under oath before the
Barton Committee of the US Senate. These self-styled "scientists"
lied
for political and financial advantage. Period. Their e-mails prove
it.


In short, they knew from
the beginning that they were lying, that Michael Mann was lying,
that the hockey stick was and is a lie told by Mann, Briffa, the
IPCC, and by the so-called "peer reviewers".


Lie. No evidence of claim.


In a separate thread "US National Academy of Science CONDEMNS Global
Warming
Lies"http://groups.google.ie/group/rec.bicycles.tech/browse_thread/thread/...
I publish the evidence given on oath by the NAS Panel under North,
constituted to defend Mann against questions by the US Senate as if
these were merely political questions (!), which none the less found
Mann incompetent in exactly the same way the Wegman Panel of
statisticians denounced Mann. That's all the evidence, even without
the recent exposures of the damning e-mails between this conspiring
claque of crooks, required to state that they knew for years, and yet
continued to write IPCC reports showing the lying hockey stick.


McIntyre and McKittrick's paper exposing the Hockey Stick as a
statistical fraud was published even earlier. There is no possible
defense of ignorance for the scientific crooks Mann, Jones and Briffa
(all important writers of IPCC reports on which trillions were
misspent; all beneficiaries under false pretenses of huge government
grants, about which there should be a police investigation); they
knew
precisely what they were doing, as the e-mails prove.


They sold out to the IPCC
bureaucrats more than a decade ago, and the pols (with the
honorable exception of Senator Barton's committee whom I've quoted
here before) still haven't found them out!


Lie. No evidence of claim.


The proof that I quoted the evidence before Senator Barton's
committee
stands here on RBT in the archives. I republish that evidence in a
separate
thread.http://groups.google.ie/group/rec.bi...thread/thread/...
The date on which they sold out is fixed by the Reuter report of the
complaint.


That these self-styled messiahs sold out to the bureaucrates at the
IPCC "more than a decade ago" is easily proved by the Reuters report
of Dec. 20, 1995 which quoted British scientist Keith Shine, one of
IPCC's lead authors, discussing the IPCC Policymakersí Summary: "We
produce a draft, and then the policymakers go through it line by line
and change the way it is presented.... It's peculiar that they have
the final say in what goes into a scientists' report." The Science
and
Environmental Policy Project conducted a survey of IPCC scientific
contributors and reviewers and found that about half did not support
the Policymakers' Summary. Parallel surveys by the Gallup
organization
and even by Greenpeace International produced similar results. In
1995
it was already long since clear and established that the scientists
were not independent and should have rejected the IPCC shilling (and
influence and interference) with contempt.


Ugh!


Is that a post-lying interjection?


Poor Maxine. If you didn't invite all the world vicariously into your
pain, you wouldn't look so stupid for having believed these crooks
from whom you bought that bottle of snake oil called global warming.
By contrast, I've been on the arse of these doomsayers since I was a
precocious teenager with a newspaper column. These global warming
bozos are no less incompetent and no less crooked than the hole in
the
ozone layer clowns, or the global popsicle clowns of the seventies,
or
the Millennium Bug clowns.


Your response is juvenile: denial and name-calling. The facts are on
the table: proof positive, rational, incontestable. Your heroes lied,
and lied, and lied, and lied. Knowingly, repeatedly. For base
motives.
For financial gain. And they were so arrogant, they wrote it all down
in their e-mails for posterity to see their pettiness and baseness.


Suck it up and move on, Maxine. There are plenty of other unworthy
causes for a worthless trendy like you to give her whole whoring
little heart to, so that you can feel you belong somewhere at least
until all the other worthless little trendies move on to the next
fad.


Andre Jute
Reformed petrol head
Car-free since 1992
Greener than thou!


XXX XXX XXX


That the Global Warming Activist Sect would stoop to ideologically driven
falsification of data and then lie more to cover it up is hardly surprising.


There is no evidence to support this claim.

That the Ground Rat would stoop to crude, mean-spirited personal attacks on
the poster(s) who provided the link(s) proving it, even less so.


And here we go again, the cocksuckers love to play the victim in lieu
of having evidence for their hysterical emotionalism.

moo.

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On Nov 23, 4:38*am, "Bill Sornson" wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:
On Nov 23, 1:41 am, Andre Jute wrote:
landotter wrote:
On Nov 21, 11:14 pm, Andre Jute wrote:
On Nov 20, 4:28 pm, RonSonic wrote:


Like so many things I recommend giving this time to prove itself
out before acting or speaking rashly. But then, that's how I felt
about Global Warmism itself.


Short version: The British Met office at Hadley has been
allegedly hacked and years of emails and documents were opened
and exposed on the internets. The director there confirms the
hackage and says that these are indeed their emails and
documents. Actually, it looks a lot more like an inside job than
an external hacker


http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/a.../heraldsun/com...


Unless someone spent a lot of time writing fake emails the
numbers have been subjected to a lot more warming than has our
climate.


Easy to create a "consensus" if you're willing to just lie to
people.


Ron


One really has to wonder how many times the corruption in climatogy
will have to be exposed before the politicians start smelling the
decay of scientific principle.


This is utterly Stalinesque.


Lie.


Perhaps, before you start namecalling, dear Maxine, you should let me
develop my thought:


These socalled scientists are not even
asking, "What is the truth?"


Lie.


Real scientists, rather than these so-called, self-styled
"scientists", understand that to be true science, the results must be
falsifiable. Real scientists, rather than these so-called,
self-styled "scientists", share data. Instead these jerks admit in
their e-mails
to going to great lengths to keep the data from which they falsified
their desired result from those who would prove their incompetence
and
lying.


Refusal to share data is adequate and sufficient proof of bad
science.


They start and end by saying, "How can we
arrive at the politically desired result?"


Lie.


They knew that in the face of the Medieval Warm Period and the Little
Ice Age *there is no global warming*, merely a partial and ongoing
recovery to a prior equilibrium state. They knew the Hockey Stick was
a lie. They knew 1998 was not the hottest year on record, that 1934
was (in the depth of the Depression -- what did industry contribute
to
that?). They knew all that, and kept producing the Hockey Stick even
after it was condemned as incompetent science by both the North and
the Wegman committees of the NAS testifying under oath before the
Barton Committee of the US Senate. These self-styled "scientists"
lied
for political and financial advantage. Period. Their e-mails prove
it.


In short, they knew from
the beginning that they were lying, that Michael Mann was lying,
that the hockey stick was and is a lie told by Mann, Briffa, the
IPCC, and by the so-called "peer reviewers".


Lie. No evidence of claim.


In a separate thread "US National Academy of Science CONDEMNS Global
Warming
Lies"http://groups.google.ie/group/rec.bicycles.tech/browse_thread/thread/...
I publish the evidence given on oath by the NAS Panel under North,
constituted to defend Mann against questions by the US Senate as if
these were merely political questions (!), which none the less found
Mann incompetent in exactly the same way the Wegman Panel of
statisticians denounced Mann. That's all the evidence, even without
the recent exposures of the damning e-mails between this conspiring
claque of crooks, required to state that they knew for years, and yet
continued to write IPCC reports showing the lying hockey stick.


McIntyre and McKittrick's paper exposing the Hockey Stick as a
statistical fraud was published even earlier. There is no possible
defense of ignorance for the scientific crooks Mann, Jones and Briffa
(all important writers of IPCC reports on which trillions were
misspent; all beneficiaries under false pretenses of huge government
grants, about which there should be a police investigation); they
knew
precisely what they were doing, as the e-mails prove.


They sold out to the IPCC
bureaucrats more than a decade ago, and the pols (with the
honorable exception of Senator Barton's committee whom I've quoted
here before) still haven't found them out!


Lie. No evidence of claim.


The proof that I quoted the evidence before Senator Barton's
committee
stands here on RBT in the archives. I republish that evidence in a
separate
thread.http://groups.google.ie/group/rec.bi...thread/thread/...
The date on which they sold out is fixed by the Reuter report of the
complaint.


That these self-styled messiahs sold out to the bureaucrates at the
IPCC "more than a decade ago" is easily proved by the Reuters report
of Dec. 20, 1995 which quoted British scientist Keith Shine, one of
IPCC's lead authors, discussing the IPCC Policymakersí Summary: "We
produce a draft, and then the policymakers go through it line by line
and change the way it is presented.... It's peculiar that they have
the final say in what goes into a scientists' report." The Science
and
Environmental Policy Project conducted a survey of IPCC scientific
contributors and reviewers and found that about half did not support
the Policymakers' Summary. Parallel surveys by the Gallup
organization
and even by Greenpeace International produced similar results. In
1995
it was already long since clear and established that the scientists
were not independent and should have rejected the IPCC shilling (and
influence and interference) with contempt.


Ugh!


Is that a post-lying interjection?


Poor Maxine. If you didn't invite all the world vicariously into your
pain, you wouldn't look so stupid for having believed these crooks
from whom you bought that bottle of snake oil called global warming.
By contrast, I've been on the arse of these doomsayers since I was a
precocious teenager with a newspaper column. These global warming
bozos are no less incompetent and no less crooked than the hole in
the
ozone layer clowns, or the global popsicle clowns of the seventies,
or
the Millennium Bug clowns.


Your response is juvenile: denial and name-calling. The facts are on
the table: proof positive, rational, incontestable. Your heroes lied,
and lied, and lied, and lied. Knowingly, repeatedly. For base
motives.
For financial gain. And they were so arrogant, they wrote it all down
in their e-mails for posterity to see their pettiness and baseness.


Suck it up and move on, Maxine. There are plenty of other unworthy
causes for a worthless trendy like you to give her whole whoring
little heart to, so that you can feel you belong somewhere at least
until all the other worthless little trendies move on to the next
fad.


Andre Jute
Reformed petrol head
Car-free since 1992
Greener than thou!


XXX XXX XXX


That the Global Warming Activist Sect would stoop to ideologically driven
falsification of data and then lie more to cover it up is hardly surprising.


Stupid to leave the evidence lying around, though. Or, more likely,
arrogant.

That the Ground Rat would stoop to crude, mean-spirited personal attacks on
the poster(s) who provided the link(s) proving it, even less so.


Very disappointed in Maxine von Ott und zu Ott. A pretty ****poor
performance from her. But I suppose anyone would be bitter at seeing
her religion of global warming crumbling from the feet up before her
very eyes.

Serve her right for whoring after false gods like that Budha-figure,
Fat Al Gore.

Andre Jute
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On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:59:49 -0800 (PST), landotter
wrote:

On Nov 22, 10:38 pm, "Bill Sornson" wrote:

snip


That the Global Warming Activist Sect would stoop to ideologically
driven falsification of data and then lie more to cover it up is
hardly surprising.


There is no evidence to support this claim.


Snipping the links to smoking gun proof doesn't make it go away. Ostrich
School of GW Debate.

There is, unfortunately, a ton of evidence to support that claim with
not the least of which being the well know, by now, Mann hockey stick
fraud.

Simply put, in addition to using known problematic datasets he created
a cute little mechanism that automagically produces hockey stick
trends from trendless data.


Hell, just stick another "temperature data recording station" on a concrete
slab in direct sun next to an air conditioning unit and call it good.

That the Ground Rat would stoop to crude, mean-spirited personal
attacks on the poster(s) who provided the link(s) proving it, even
less so.


And here we go again, the cocksuckers love to play the victim in lieu
of having evidence for their hysterical emotionalism.


Noting crude, personal attacks on someone else is hardly playing victim.
GrndRt's logic is as sound as his science. LOL

You're going to find yourself either outraged or crying if the media
ever bothers to investigate what's in the FOI2009.zip data.


Anyone else notice the terravermin's near /obsession/ with (all-male)
fellatio? Better Scotchguard that shrink's couch...

BS


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On Nov 23, 11:47*pm, flipper wrote:
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:59:49 -0800 (PST), landotter

wrote:
On Nov 22, 10:38*pm, "Bill Sornson" wrote:


snip



That the Global Warming Activist Sect would stoop to ideologically driven
falsification of data and then lie more to cover it up is hardly surprising.


There is no evidence to support this claim.


There is, unfortunately, a ton of evidence to support that claim with
not the least of which being the well know, by now, Mann hockey stick
fraud.


Why is it then--that you authoritarian science deniers can't provide
any of this evidence that's not tainted by either Big Oil or right
wing political organizations?

There is no hockey stick fraud. Claiming that there is makes you a
liar.

Simply put, in addition to using known problematic datasets he created
a cute little mechanism that automagically produces hockey stick
trends from trendless data.

That the Ground Rat would stoop to crude, mean-spirited personal attacks on
the poster(s) who provided the link(s) proving it, even less so.


And here we go again, the cocksuckers love to play the victim in lieu
of having evidence for their hysterical emotionalism.


You're going to find yourself either outraged or crying if the media
ever bothers to investigate what's in the FOI2009.zip data.


Here we see an example of typical right wing authoritarian nanner
nanner boo booing. All with zero evidence.

Pathetic.

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On Nov 24, 12:36*am, "Bill Sornson" wrote:
flipper wrote:
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:59:49 -0800 (PST), landotter
wrote:


On Nov 22, 10:38 pm, "Bill Sornson" wrote:

snip


That the Global Warming Activist Sect would stoop to ideologically
driven falsification of data and then lie more to cover it up is
hardly surprising.


There is no evidence to support this claim.


Snipping the links to smoking gun proof doesn't make it go away. *Ostrich
School of GW Debate.


What smoking gun? There's no evidence or "smoking gun". I know you
right wing authoritarians want a smoking gun really bad--but it
doesn't work like Jesus or Jiminey Cricket. Squinting, crapping your
pants, and praying really hard won't make evidence manifest itself in
order to defend your rigid political ideology--ideology so disgusting
that it's willing to gamble with the Earth itself.

Ask yourself--why is it only the radical conservatives who won't
believe in scientific reality? I mean--your Queen in America is so
radically anti-science that she admits to not believing in natural
selection in her new book--because it contradicts her faith in magic.
When that's the mainstream of your faction--base denial of scientific
reality--I beg of you, **** off.
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On Nov 24, 4:15*pm, flipper wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 07:53:40 -0800 (PST), landotter



wrote:
On Nov 23, 11:47*pm, flipper wrote:
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:59:49 -0800 (PST), landotter


wrote:
On Nov 22, 10:38*pm, "Bill Sornson" wrote:


snip


That the Global Warming Activist Sect would stoop to ideologically driven
falsification of data and then lie more to cover it up is hardly surprising.


There is no evidence to support this claim.


There is, unfortunately, a ton of evidence to support that claim with
not the least of which being the well know, by now, Mann hockey stick
fraud.


Why is it then--that you authoritarian science deniers can't provide
any of this evidence


I just did.

If you want more then go here

http://www.climateaudit.org/?page_id=354

that's not tainted by either Big Oil or right
wing political organizations?


Poison well fallacies don't fly. Science, or any argument for that
matter, stands on it's own merits.

There is no hockey stick fraud.


In my opinion, creating a cute little algorithm that produces hockey
stick trends from trendless data, and then defending it once exposed,
is evidence of fraud.

Claiming that there is makes you a
liar.


Claiming a 'lie' just proves your ignorance.

Simply put, in addition to using known problematic datasets he created
a cute little mechanism that automagically produces hockey stick
trends from trendless data.


That the Ground Rat would stoop to crude, mean-spirited personal attacks on
the poster(s) who provided the link(s) proving it, even less so.


And here we go again, the cocksuckers love to play the victim in lieu
of having evidence for their hysterical emotionalism.


You're going to find yourself either outraged or crying if the media
ever bothers to investigate what's in the FOI2009.zip data.


Here we see an example of typical right wing authoritarian nanner
nanner boo booing. All with zero evidence.


I gave you the name of the blooming file so you can find it yourself,
hysterical cry baby.

Pathetic.


Climateaudit is a right wing misinformation site run by a paid shill
for the minerals industry.

But when you're desperate TO BELIEVE in your conspiracy--you'll suck
on the teat of whatever ugly old beast that'll have you.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...ephen_McIntyre

There is no smoking gun. If there was--wouldn't you be able to nurse
from a prettier beast? LOL

An unconfirmed email is the smoking gun that there's an entire
worldwide conspiracy of scientists, politicians, and investors?

Hahahahahahahahaha [gasp] hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

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Maxine von Ottbott aka landotter:
There is no hockey stick fraud.


Flipper:
In my opinion, creating a cute little algorithm that produces hockey
stick trends from trendless data, and then defending it once exposed,
is evidence of fraud.


Plus the criminal destruction of evidence, the unscientific and
unethical denial of data and algorithms to dissenters, collusion and
conspiracy to continue defrauding the public purse, ditto to cover up
the crime, the unethical bullying of editors and publishers not to
accept dissenting papers, the unethical and disgusting attempts to
ruin the lieves of dissenters -- ugh, this list grows and grows. These
are all matters either for criminal charges by the police or charges
before ethics bodies or investigations by university authorities under
various rules (a good one is bringing learning and research and
science into disrepute).

More data in support at http://www.megaupload.com/?d=U44FST89

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flipper wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:24:44 -0800 (PST), landotter
wrote:

On Nov 24, 4:15 pm, flipper wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 07:53:40 -0800 (PST), landotter



wrote:
On Nov 23, 11:47 pm, flipper wrote:
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:59:49 -0800 (PST), landotter

wrote:
On Nov 22, 10:38 pm, "Bill Sornson" wrote:

snip

That the Global Warming Activist Sect would stoop to
ideologically driven falsification of data and then lie more to
cover it up is hardly surprising.

There is no evidence to support this claim.

There is, unfortunately, a ton of evidence to support that claim
with not the least of which being the well know, by now, Mann
hockey stick fraud.

Why is it then--that you authoritarian science deniers can't
provide any of this evidence

I just did.

If you want more then go here

http://www.climateaudit.org/?page_id=354

that's not tainted by either Big Oil or right
wing political organizations?

Poison well fallacies don't fly. Science, or any argument for that
matter, stands on it's own merits.

There is no hockey stick fraud.

In my opinion, creating a cute little algorithm that produces hockey
stick trends from trendless data, and then defending it once
exposed, is evidence of fraud.

Claiming that there is makes you a
liar.

Claiming a 'lie' just proves your ignorance.

Simply put, in addition to using known problematic datasets he
created a cute little mechanism that automagically produces
hockey stick trends from trendless data.

That the Ground Rat would stoop to crude, mean-spirited
personal attacks on the poster(s) who provided the link(s)
proving it, even less so.

And here we go again, the cocksuckers love to play the victim in
lieu of having evidence for their hysterical emotionalism.

You're going to find yourself either outraged or crying if the
media ever bothers to investigate what's in the FOI2009.zip data.

Here we see an example of typical right wing authoritarian nanner
nanner boo booing. All with zero evidence.

I gave you the name of the blooming file so you can find it
yourself, hysterical cry baby.

Pathetic.


Climateaudit is a right wing misinformation site run by a paid shill
for the minerals industry.

But when you're desperate TO BELIEVE in your conspiracy--you'll suck
on the teat of whatever ugly old beast that'll have you.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...ephen_McIntyre


Besides that being misleading, but then you don't care, you are
engaging in the typical poison well fallacy.


Hey, at least he (?) has graduated from a cock-sucking obsession to teat
sucking! LOL Rat progress...

There is no smoking gun. If there was--wouldn't you be able to nurse
from a prettier beast? LOL



NAS agreed with McIntyre's criticisms. I suppose you'll now claim NAS
is a "right wing misinformation" organization.


An unconfirmed email is the smoking gun that there's an entire
worldwide conspiracy of scientists, politicians, and investors?

Hahahahahahahahaha [gasp] hahahahahahahahahahahaha.


"Worldwide conspiracy" is your invention, hyena boy.


Just a hunch: Verminosity hasn't looked at a single incriminating e-mail.
Typical.

Bill "Congressional Inquiry, anyone?" S.


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On Nov 26, 2:03*am, flipper wrote:
Anyone who thinks this is going to play out like a movie mystery where
all the questions are wrapped up in 2 hours is deluding themselves.


Well, I don't support a witch-hunt, or some kind of
Orwellian confession. We have a thing called due
process here in the United States. Give them a fair
chance to explain & defend themselves. And then
we can drive them into the streets like dogs and
beat them to death with hockey sticks and CFL-filled
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Good grief. Well, at least some illegally obtained and cherry picked
e-mails have provided hours of fun for the paranoid and the desperate-
including one whacked-out Congressmen applauding the breaking of laws.

Unfortunately for all of us, the science still stands. Climate change
is real, the role of humans in that change is clear- and like the
conservatives keep telling us, we need to take responsibility for our
actions.

Oh, wait, they don't keep telling us that except in election years. And
even then, they really just want *other* people to take responsibility.
You go first.
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On Nov 26, 5:16*am, Tim McNamara wrote:
Good grief. *Well, at least some illegally obtained and cherry picked
e-mails have provided hours of fun for the paranoid and the desperate-
including one whacked-out Congressmen applauding the breaking of laws.


All the sneering in the world will not detract one whit from the
content of that material, which demonstrates conclusively that the
climate crooks knew they were lying -- "hide the downturn" indeed! --
which is enough to condemn all their work, even without the criminal
destruction of data, the malicious attempts to suppress the voices of
critics, the conspiracy against the truth coming out, the assaults on
freedom of speech by trying to gag editors who permitted skeptics to
publish, etc, etc, etc, so many more unscientific behaviours
demonstrated by that correspondence.

Unfortunately for all of us, the science still stands. *


It doesn't now. It hasn't ever. The brief moment when it *appeared* as
if there was global warming was created by statistical trickery which
removed the globally true, historically verified Medieval Warm Period.
Once Mann and Briffa's statistical tricks were exposed -- and now
confirmed by the e-mails as deliberate dishonesty rather than mere
incompetence -- and the Medieval Warm Period was reinstated and
forever enshrined in the science *there could be no global warming*.

“We must get rid of the Medieval Warm Period.” -- Jonathan Overpeck,
climate "scientist", IPCC writer.

Climate change
is real, the role of humans in that change is clear-


Crap. There is no proof of the link to manmade CO2. Quite the
contrary. All evidence points to CO2 emissions lagging temperature
rise by 800 years. How can something which happens afterwards be the
cause of a prior effect? That cannot ever be science because times
winged arrow flies only one way. These supposed clamatic evils of
anthropogenic CO2 is pure science fiction.

and like the
conservatives keep telling us, we need to take responsibility for our
actions.


These crooks who call themselves scientists should certainly resign
before they are fired by their institutions, and the unoversity
officials, who helped them cover up their lies by helping them destroy
data subject to Freedom of Information legislation and deny what was
left to others, should be fired from their jobs for failing to do the
jobs and for betraying the spirit of enquiry which should underpin
every university.

Oh, wait, they don't keep telling us that except in election years. *And
even then, they really just want *other* people to take responsibility. *
You go first.


I've been saying for half a century that these climate scaremongers
should be put down once and for all. When Michael Mann's meretricious
Hockey Stick first appeared, I wrote plainly that it was a statistical
fraud, a historical lie, that it would be disproven by pre-existing
interdisciplinary knowledge, that Mann should be charged with contempt
of science and be run out of science (and certainly any honest
university) for it, and that the IPCC would continue to tell the Mann
Hockey Stick lie because *of course* a committee constituted to find
climate change *would* find climate change to keep themselves in jobs.

Now it's your turn to be honest for a change, Timmie.

Andre Jute
“There is always an easy solution to every human problem — neat,
plausible and wrong.” -- H. L. Mencken

"Hell, we're so rich and bored, we invent problems to find wrong
solutions to. We even have a name for it. It is called Government by
Accident." -- Andre Jute

PS I only wish you were right, Timmie. I would just dearly love some
global warming. But, unfortunately, the only manmade global warming
was made by Mann, Jones, Briffa et al, right inside a computer. We
don't cycle inside computers.
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On Nov 25, 11:16*pm, Tim McNamara wrote:
Good grief. *Well, at least some illegally obtained and cherry picked
e-mails have provided hours of fun for the paranoid and the desperate-
including one whacked-out Congressmen applauding the breaking of laws.

Unfortunately for all of us, the science still stands. *Climate change
is real, the role of humans in that change is clear- and like the
conservatives keep telling us, we need to take responsibility for our
actions.

Oh, wait, they don't keep telling us that except in election years. *And
even then, they really just want *other* people to take responsibility. *
You go first.


I have to give conspiracy theorists credit for efficiency. Al Gore
could break wind in an elevator and they'd stretch it into a binder
full of conspiracy like a dust bowl mother cooking soup from a rusty
nail.



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[logic free rant]


Perhaps a mental health professional can help you with this deeply
emotional connection you have to things for which there is no
evidence. Or you might be able to channel it into being a radical
Muslim/Christian/etc--same ****, different day. Cheapest option is
really a sandwich board and two mismatched boots. The medium is the
message!

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On Nov 26, 5:00*pm, landotter wrote:
On Nov 26, 7:21*am, Andre Jute wrote:

[logic free rant]


Perhaps a mental health professional can help you with this deeply
emotional connection you have to things for which there is no
evidence. Or you might be able to channel it into being a radical
Muslim/Christian/etc--same ****, different day. Cheapest option is
really a sandwich board and two mismatched boots. The medium is the
message!


I should think anyone who calls my post "logic-free" is by definition
logic-free, and anyone who thinks so closely reasoned an argument is a
sign of mental illness is by definition not the sharpest knife in the
drawer, in fact best kept away from sharp knives. Here it is, the
logic Maxine Land-Otter doesn't want you to see:

On Nov 26, 5:16*am, Tim McNamara wrote:
Good grief. *Well, at least some illegally obtained and cherry picked
e-mails have provided hours of fun for the paranoid and the desperate-
including one whacked-out Congressmen applauding the breaking of laws.


All the sneering in the world will not detract one whit from the
content of that material, which demonstrates conclusively that the
climate crooks knew they were lying -- "hide the downturn" indeed! --
which is enough to condemn all their work, even without the criminal
destruction of data, the malicious attempts to suppress the voices of
critics, the conspiracy against the truth coming out, the assaults on
freedom of speech by trying to gag editors who permitted skeptics to
publish, etc, etc, etc, so many more unscientific behaviours
demonstrated by that correspondence.

Unfortunately for all of us, the science still stands. *


It doesn't now. It hasn't ever. The brief moment when it *appeared* as
if there was global warming was created by statistical trickery which
removed the globally true, historically verified Medieval Warm Period.
Once Mann and Briffa's statistical tricks were exposed -- and now
confirmed by the e-mails as deliberate dishonesty rather than mere
incompetence -- and the Medieval Warm Period was reinstated and
forever enshrined in the science *there could be no global warming*.

“We must get rid of the Medieval Warm Period.” -- Jonathan Overpeck,
climate "scientist", IPCC writer.

Climate change
is real, the role of humans in that change is clear-


Crap. There is no proof of the link to manmade CO2. Quite the
contrary. All evidence points to CO2 emissions lagging temperature
rise by 800 years. How can something which happens afterwards be the
cause of a prior effect? That cannot ever be science because times
winged arrow flies only one way. These supposed clamatic evils of
anthropogenic CO2 is pure science fiction.

and like the
conservatives keep telling us, we need to take responsibility for our
actions.


These crooks who call themselves scientists should certainly resign
before they are fired by their institutions, and the unoversity
officials, who helped them cover up their lies by helping them destroy
data subject to Freedom of Information legislation and deny what was
left to others, should be fired from their jobs for failing to do the
jobs and for betraying the spirit of enquiry which should underpin
every university.

Oh, wait, they don't keep telling us that except in election years. *And
even then, they really just want *other* people to take responsibility. *
You go first.


I've been saying for half a century that these climate scaremongers
should be put down once and for all. When Michael Mann's meretricious
Hockey Stick first appeared, I wrote plainly that it was a statistical
fraud, a historical lie, that it would be disproven by pre-existing
interdisciplinary knowledge, that Mann should be charged with contempt
of science and be run out of science (and certainly any honest
university) for it, and that the IPCC would continue to tell the Mann
Hockey Stick lie because *of course* a committee constituted to find
climate change *would* find climate change to keep themselves in jobs.

Now it's your turn to be honest for a change, Timmie.

Andre Jute
“There is always an easy solution to every human problem — neat,
plausible and wrong.” -- H. L. Mencken

"Hell, we're so rich and bored, we invent problems to find wrong
solutions to. We even have a name for it. It is called Government by
Accident." -- Andre Jute

PS I only wish you were right, Timmie. I would just dearly love some
global warming. But, unfortunately, the only manmade global warming
was made by Mann, Jones, Briffa et al, right inside a computer. We
don't cycle inside computers.


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On Nov 26, 5:11*pm, Jobst Brandt wrote:
Max Otter wrote:
Perhaps a mental health professional can help you with this deeply
emotional connection you have to things for which there is no
evidence. *Or you might be able to channel it into being a radical
Muslim/Christian/etc--same ****, different day. *Cheapest option is
really a sandwich board and two mismatched boots. *The medium is the
message!


The symptom is entirely that of religion supported by faith alone.

Jobst Brandt


Yes, poor Maxine has screeched "Lie, lie," around a hundred times now
in these global warming debates, without ever offering a single fact.
Poor dear can't even offer amusing character assassination, just the
same old dull reiteration. Maxine is, I fear, the stereotypical dumb
blonde, and very impressionable with it, as witness the poor dear's
fundie faith in the long-discredited schismatic fallacy of global
warming.

Andre Jute
On the evidence or no way
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On Nov 26, 12:48*pm, Andre Jute wrote:
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GURGLE GURGLE GURGLE GURGLE!



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Andre Jute wrote:
On Nov 26, 5:16 am, Tim McNamara wrote:
Good grief. Well, at least some illegally obtained and cherry picked
e-mails have provided hours of fun for the paranoid and the
desperate- including one whacked-out Congressmen applauding the
breaking of laws.


All the sneering in the world will not detract one whit from the
content of that material, which demonstrates conclusively that the
climate crooks knew they were lying -- "hide the downturn" indeed! --
which is enough to condemn all their work, even without the criminal
destruction of data, the malicious attempts to suppress the voices of
critics, the conspiracy against the truth coming out, the assaults on
freedom of speech by trying to gag editors who permitted skeptics to
publish, etc, etc, etc, so many more unscientific behaviours
demonstrated by that correspondence.


Funny how liberals had no issue with using e-mails to ruin the life and
career of a middle-aged gay congressman, or publishing (in the NYT) leaked
classified material that greatly endangered lives and undermined national
security, but exposing Global Warming Hoaxism and worse is...unacceptable?!?
Too freaking rich, even for Timmie and his fellow religious nutjobs.

Unfortunately for all of us, the science still stands.


It doesn't now. It hasn't ever. The brief moment when it *appeared* as
if there was global warming was created by statistical trickery which
removed the globally true, historically verified Medieval Warm Period.
Once Mann and Briffa's statistical tricks were exposed -- and now
confirmed by the e-mails as deliberate dishonesty rather than mere
incompetence -- and the Medieval Warm Period was reinstated and
forever enshrined in the science *there could be no global warming*.

“We must get rid of the Medieval Warm Period.” -- Jonathan Overpeck,
climate "scientist", IPCC writer.

Climate change
is real, the role of humans in that change is clear-


Crap. There is no proof of the link to manmade CO2. Quite the
contrary. All evidence points to CO2 emissions lagging temperature
rise by 800 years. How can something which happens afterwards be the
cause of a prior effect? That cannot ever be science because times
winged arrow flies only one way. These supposed clamatic evils of
anthropogenic CO2 is pure science fiction.

and like the
conservatives keep telling us, we need to take responsibility for our
actions.


These crooks who call themselves scientists should certainly resign
before they are fired by their institutions, and the unoversity
officials, who helped them cover up their lies by helping them destroy
data subject to Freedom of Information legislation and deny what was
left to others, should be fired from their jobs for failing to do the
jobs and for betraying the spirit of enquiry which should underpin
every university.

Oh, wait, they don't keep telling us that except in election years.
And even then, they really just want *other* people to take
responsibility. You go first.


I've been saying for half a century that these climate scaremongers
should be put down once and for all. When Michael Mann's meretricious
Hockey Stick first appeared, I wrote plainly that it was a statistical
fraud, a historical lie, that it would be disproven by pre-existing
interdisciplinary knowledge, that Mann should be charged with contempt
of science and be run out of science (and certainly any honest
university) for it, and that the IPCC would continue to tell the Mann
Hockey Stick lie because *of course* a committee constituted to find
climate change *would* find climate change to keep themselves in jobs.

Now it's your turn to be honest for a change, Timmie.


There's a first time for everything, but don't get any hopes up...

Andre Jute
“There is always an easy solution to every human problem — neat,
plausible and wrong.” -- H. L. Mencken

"Hell, we're so rich and bored, we invent problems to find wrong
solutions to. We even have a name for it. It is called Government by
Accident." -- Andre Jute

PS I only wish you were right, Timmie. I would just dearly love some
global warming. But, unfortunately, the only manmade global warming
was made by Mann, Jones, Briffa et al, right inside a computer. We
don't cycle inside computers.


Nice and warm in LoSoCal today. I blame Bush.

BS


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