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No more about Pro Audio and Linux
Normally, I post to these groups from my XP desktop. One of my posts drew
the ire of someone who ****ingly responded with what looked like my header showing I'm running XP... Whatever. I'm posting from one of my Linux boxes so as not go through that b.s. again. Anywho, this garbage about recording with Linux needs to stop. We need to realize that certain platforms do certain things better than others. Right now, Win32 and MacOS are a better choice for anyone looking to work with audio and sequencing just like Win32 and Linux are bettwer choices for anyone looking to do serious CGI/3D animation work. This could change in the near future, but only if enough of the "influential" people in the recording industry express an interest in using Linux for ProTools, Cubase, Sonar, or anything else related to recording. The guy at home using a crappy Audigy to "make beats" isn't going to be enough. The call for Digidesign to support Linux is cool and all, but remember that this is the same Digidesign that initially refused to support the PC in any way years ago, then created ProTools NT for use on a select few PC's they tested it on. Digi does not like to support a lot of platforms as it is. The Mac get preferrential treatment because the hardware comes directly from one vendor and they can work with that one vendor to make sure their products work properly on that platform. If Digi DID support Linux, I guarantee you it would be on one vendor's PC's with one distro and that's it. Yeah, better than nothing, but a far cry from truely supporting Linux. In order for audio hardware vendors to support Linux, there needs to be a compelling reason to do it. If Steinberg were to port Cubase and Neuendo to Linux and release ASIO driver specs as well, then we might see more hardware vendors jumping on the bandwagon. 12 Tone/Cakewalk would find it harder to do so since their product relies heavily on DX. Propellerheads could test the waters with Rebirth, then Reason. Honestly, I really don't see a real reason for them to NOT support Linux as their applications are not tied to any API. I think Linux can be a great platform for Pro Audio (Final Scratch proves that to a degree), but there's going to be a long wait before we see any type of commercial movement in that area. If one of the major players decides to test the waters, the rest will follow as long as there's success to be had with this platform. -- George Jones - Logic7 http://www.geocities.com/labwerx |
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George Jones - Logic7 wrote:
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In article yTLne.76$xr.0@fed1read05,
George Jones - Logic7 wrote: Normally, I post to these groups from my XP desktop. One of my posts drew the ire of someone who ****ingly responded with what looked like my header showing I'm running XP... Whatever. I'm posting from one of my Linux boxes so as not go through that b.s. again. Anywho, this garbage about recording with Linux needs to stop. We need to realize that certain platforms do certain things better than others. Right now, Win32 and MacOS are a better choice for anyone looking to work with audio and sequencing just like Win32 and Linux are bettwer choices for anyone looking to do serious CGI/3D animation work. This could change in the near future, but only if enough of the "influential" people in the recording industry express an interest in using Linux for ProTools, Cubase, Sonar, or anything else related to recording. The guy at home using a crappy Audigy to "make beats" isn't going to be enough. The call for Digidesign to support Linux is cool and all, but remember that this is the same Digidesign that initially refused to support the PC in any way years ago, then created ProTools NT for use on a select few PC's they tested it on. Digi does not like to support a lot of platforms as it is. The Mac get preferrential treatment because the hardware comes directly from one vendor and they can work with that one vendor to make sure their products work properly on that platform. If Digi DID support Linux, I guarantee you it would be on one vendor's PC's with one distro and that's it. Yeah, better than nothing, but a far cry from truely supporting Linux. In order for audio hardware vendors to support Linux, there needs to be a compelling reason to do it. If Steinberg were to port Cubase and Neuendo to Linux and release ASIO driver specs as well, then we might see more hardware vendors jumping on the bandwagon. 12 Tone/Cakewalk would find it harder to do so since their product relies heavily on DX. Propellerheads could test the waters with Rebirth, then Reason. Honestly, I really don't see a real reason for them to NOT support Linux as their applications are not tied to any API. I think Linux can be a great platform for Pro Audio (Final Scratch proves that to a degree), but there's going to be a long wait before we see any type of commercial movement in that area. If one of the major players decides to test the waters, the rest will follow as long as there's success to be had with this platform. a well written and cogent post. fundamentally, working professionals choose the tool/application they want to work with first and that ultimately determines the platform, be it mac, windoze or linux. Choosing platform first gets the cart before the horse and limits the available options, the totally wrong approach. -- Digital Services Recording Studios http://www.digisrvs.com |
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On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 15:38:15 -0700, George Jones - Logic7 wrote:
Anywho, this garbage about recording with Linux needs to stop. We need to realize that certain platforms do certain things better than others. Right now, Win32 and MacOS are a better choice for anyone looking to work with audio and sequencing just like Win32 and Linux are better choices for anyone looking to do serious CGI/3D animation work. This could change in the near future, This could change in the near future if users and distro owners decide we want to change it. If we really wanted to trounce MacWin, we could funnel money and talent into projects to create world class apps in Audio and any other area we cared about (look at OO and Gimp). When we finally get tired of being in second place, when we finally realize we need to build and maintain world class apps, we will marshall the resources necessary to wipe windows. It's really that simple. |
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x-no archive: yes
"George Jones - Logic7" spouted forth... Normally, I post to these groups from my XP desktop. One of my posts drew the ire of someone who ****ingly responded with what looked like my header showing I'm running XP... Whatever. I'm posting from one of my Linux boxes so as not go through that b.s. again. How NOT nice of you, to steer all replies to your crossposted header so that they would only show up in rec.audio.pro. Shades of a schmuck.... |
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"David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote in message news:jzOne.15931$qJ3.2028@trnddc05... x-no archive: yes "George Jones - Logic7" spouted forth... Normally, I post to these groups from my XP desktop. One of my posts drew the ire of someone who ****ingly responded with what looked like my header showing I'm running XP... Whatever. I'm posting from one of my Linux boxes so as not go through that b.s. again. How NOT nice of you, to steer all replies to your crossposted header so that they would only show up in rec.audio.pro. Shades of a schmuck.... That's the default in KNode. I didn't pay attention to it when I posted it from my linux box. |
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On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 15:38:15 -0700, George Jones - Logic7 wrote:
Win32 and Linux are bettwer choices for anyone looking to do serious CGI/3D animation work. Win32 and serious CGI/3D work? Heh, now *that* is a joke. |
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"Liam Slider" wrote in message news On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 15:38:15 -0700, George Jones - Logic7 wrote: Win32 and Linux are bettwer choices for anyone looking to do serious CGI/3D animation work. Win32 and serious CGI/3D work? Heh, now *that* is a joke. Hardly. Unless you've been living in a cave for the last 6 or 7 years, you would know that the bulk of CGI you see nowadays (especially on TV) is done on a PC running Win32 of some sort with a Linux rendering farm doing the grunt work. SGI is long past their heyday, so don't bring 'em up (I've owned 3 SGI boxes in the past). |
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Andrew wrote:
George Jones - Logic7 wrote: Anywho, this garbage about recording with Linux needs to stop. We need to realize that certain platforms do certain things better than others. Right now, Win32 and MacOS are a better choice for anyone looking to work with audio and sequencing just like Win32 and Linux are better choices for anyone looking to do serious CGI/3D animation work. This could change in the near future, This could change in the near future if users and distro owners decide we want to change it. If we really wanted to trounce MacWin, we could funnel money and talent into projects to create world class apps in Audio and any other area we cared about (look at OO and Gimp). When we finally get tired of being in second place, when we finally realize we need to build and maintain world class apps, we will marshall the resources necessary to wipe windows. It's really that simple. Especially since global warming is steadily reducing the cost of hot air. -- ha |
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On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 15:38:15 -0700, George Jones - Logic7 wrote:
Anywho, this garbage about recording with Linux needs to stop. We need to realize that certain platforms do certain things better than others. No... you need to realize that in the Linux groups no one gives a good god damn what you or anyone else thinks about Windows. These groups are for discussing linux. Keep your audio recording crap in the audio recording group... and keep your wintroll crap out of the linux groups. -- Life is short, but wide. -KV |
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No... you need to realize that in the Linux groups no one gives a good god
damn what you or anyone else thinks about Windows. If the subject of recording with LINUX had never been discussed in rec.audio.pro, I wouldn't have made a post like this. Apparently, someone from these linux groups thought it would be a subject relevant to both sets of groups (it's quite relevant). These groups are for discussing linux. Discussing Ardour, Audacity, etc and their installs, issues and whatnot would be proper for posting in linux newsgroups as well as rec.audio.pro. These are, after all, LINUX apps (duh). Keep your audio recording crap in the audio recording group... and keep your wintroll crap out of the linux groups. I'm not a wintroll. I use Linux, preach it, have tried to convert IT management to it. My last contract (ended last month) was working for PatchLink as a Unix QA Engineer working with RHEL 2.1-4 (among other unix variants). I would hardly qualify as a wintroll even though I use XP and 2000 on my primary desktops at home. I just use the OS that the tools I need to use exist on. For Audio I use Reason, Cubase, FL Studio, Reaktor, SoundForge, and a number of other apps and plugins that don't exist under Linux. However, my servers will never see a day of operation with a Win32 server OS ever; they run Linux. I have 2 Linux desktops that I use for various tasks along with my servers. I also have a Sun SS20 and an SGI Indy R5000-150. I have more machines here running *nix than Win32. |
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On 2005-06-02, George Jones - Logic7 wrote:
Normally, I post to these groups from my XP desktop. One of my posts drew the ire of someone who ****ingly responded with what looked like my header showing I'm running XP... Whatever. I'm posting from one of my Linux boxes so as not go through that b.s. again. Anywho, this garbage about recording with Linux needs to stop. We need to realize that certain platforms do certain things better than others. Right now, Win32 and MacOS are a better choice for anyone looking to work with You do realize of course that any attempt at a generalization in absolute terms is essentially Troll bait. [deletia] -- The best OS in the world is ultimately useless ||| if it is controlled by a Tramiel, Jobs or Gates. / | \ |
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On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 10:15:11 -0700, "George Jones IV"
wrote in message ze0oe.151$xr.118@fed1read05: If the subject of recording with LINUX had never been discussed in rec.audio.pro, I wouldn't have made a post like this. You're just unable to ignore the trolls. Apparently, someone from these linux groups thought it would be a subject relevant to both sets of groups No, you've fallen for a troll. (it's quite relevant). It's quite irrelevant. Don't fall for trolls. I'm not a wintroll. You've fallen for a troll. |
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On 6/3/05 1:15 PM, in article ze0oe.151$xr.118@fed1read05, "George Jones IV"
wrote: No... you need to realize that in the Linux groups no one gives a good god damn what you or anyone else thinks about Windows. If the subject of recording with LINUX had never been discussed in rec.audio.pro, I wouldn't have made a post like this. Apparently, someone from these linux groups thought it would be a subject relevant to both sets of groups (it's quite relevant). SOME of this discussion is GREAT... But most of it is lapsing into Linux-focussed stuff (and other unwelcome childish namecalling idiocy but I digress) and really needs a separate thread off the crospost. |
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On Friday 03 June 2005 13:39, SSJVCmag
) wrote: Can we get this stuff un-crossposted except to the linux folks? Done! |
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Ivan Marsh wrote in
news No... you need to realize that in the Linux groups no one gives a good god damn what you or anyone else thinks about Windows. applause Right on, Ivan. -- ~Ohmster "Read Ohmster" in subject, bypass spam filter. ohmster /a/t/ newsguy dot com |
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On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 05:05:25 GMT, SSJVCmag
wrote in message : Ohmster.. I'll assume that you're as conversant with email posting to newsgroups Posting the same article twenty-five times makes you a spammer. One spammer is as bad as another. It's quick! It's easy! do it Now! Stop spamming now! |
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