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Ribbon Tweeters on K-Horn
Looking at the front of the Klipschhorn, its flat forward face seems
just tailor made for a ribbon tweeter to be mounted there. Is there a good reason wy this is a bad idea? |
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This coming from a Citroen driver...I may be crazy, but I'm not
missing fingers from hydraulic injection! |
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I actually think the Cit hydraulic suspension is a good idea. It is
NOT well carried out. They ignored all known best practices for hydraulic systems. They even got the fluid colors ass backwards-Vegetable fluid is BLUE, mineral RED, phosphate ester PURPLE in the real world. And no one uses vegetable fluid, except the static hydraulic systems in automotive braking, anymore. Your typing is fine, but if you don't keep clear of pressure side hydro leaks, you will lose fingers-or a limb-or even die. As with Bosch pump diesel engines, hydraulic leaks can inject you with fluid. All known usable hydraulic fluids except DI water are lethal to tissue. A&P mechanics-and ag/diesel types-know this but Bubba at the gas station doesn't. |
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wrote in message ups.com... I actually think the Cit hydraulic suspension is a good idea. It is NOT well carried out. They ignored all known best practices for hydraulic systems. They even got the fluid colors ass backwards-Vegetable fluid is BLUE, mineral RED, phosphate ester PURPLE in the real world. And no one uses vegetable fluid, except the static hydraulic systems in automotive braking, anymore. Your typing is fine, but if you don't keep clear of pressure side hydro leaks, you will lose fingers-or a limb-or even die. As with Bosch pump diesel engines, hydraulic leaks can inject you with fluid. All known usable hydraulic fluids except DI water are lethal to tissue. A&P mechanics-and ag/diesel types-know this but Bubba at the gas station doesn't. Hydropneumatic ride is like no other. Mercedes intermittently offered it as far back as the late 60's on their 300 series, and 600 series. But no one has succeeded in producing a system that doesn't compromise reliability. Even Mercedes were famous for bellows blowouts -- their was a short, mandatory maintenance interval. In the early 90's, Subaru tried it. One American luxury car manufacturer tried it as well. In each case, the option lasted only a few years. |
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wrote in message ups.com... Looking at the front of the Klipschhorn, its flat forward face seems just tailor made for a ribbon tweeter to be mounted there. Is there a good reason wy this is a bad idea? #1. It is yours. #2. It is a Klipschorn. #3. It is a waste of a potentially good tweeter. Cheers, Margaret |
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Margaret von B. wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Looking at the front of the Klipschhorn, its flat forward face seems just tailor made for a ribbon tweeter to be mounted there. Is there a good reason wy this is a bad idea? #1. It is yours. #2. It is a Klipschorn. #3. It is a waste of a potentially good tweeter. But it doesn't smell like a dead halibut, unlike your folded horn. |
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wrote in message oups.com... Margaret von B. wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Looking at the front of the Klipschhorn, its flat forward face seems just tailor made for a ribbon tweeter to be mounted there. Is there a good reason wy this is a bad idea? #1. It is yours. #2. It is a Klipschorn. #3. It is a waste of a potentially good tweeter. But it doesn't smell like a dead halibut, unlike your folded horn. I wonder what your mother did to you..... Margaret |
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Cal said:
"Looking at the front of the Klipschhorn, its flat forward face seems just tailor made for a ribbon tweeter to be mounted there. Is there a good reason wy this is a bad idea? " Are you familiar with the expression lipstick on a pig? |
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a écrit :
Looking at the front of the Klipschhorn, its flat forward face seems just tailor made for a ribbon tweeter to be mounted there. Is there a good reason wy this is a bad idea? Why not ? http://www.alkeng.com/trachorn.html Sure that on the *thin* column model you can do that. http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volum...rs-7-2000.html With that : http://www.madisound.com/cgi-bin/ind...29131&pid=1889 With crossover modification it would cost you about USD 250.00 for an *hypothetical* improvement... Conclusion : you'd better purchase USD 250.00 of good music ! |
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Well, you'd have a hard time finding a ribbon tweeter that would come close
to matching the efficiency of the main drive units in the Khorn. wrote in message ups.com... Looking at the front of the Klipschhorn, its flat forward face seems just tailor made for a ribbon tweeter to be mounted there. Is there a good reason wy this is a bad idea? |
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severian a écrit :
Well, you'd have a hard time finding a ribbon tweeter that would come close to matching the efficiency of the main drive units in the Khorn. It's not a problem for Mr Cerise... He will include heavy serial resistance in his crossover. ;-) wrote in message ups.com... Looking at the front of the Klipschhorn, its flat forward face seems just tailor made for a ribbon tweeter to be mounted there. Is there a good reason wy this is a bad idea? |
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Well, you'd have a hard time finding a ribbon tweeter that would come
close to matching the efficiency of the main drive units in the Khorn. What is the efficiency if the K-Horns? There are some ribbons that might possibly work such as the Arum Cantus G1@102db 1W/M. Fountek has one that I believe has the same sensitivity. Both of the above are priced + $300.00 U.S. This would seem to be a case of needing the rest of the drivers to come up to the standards of the tweeters. There are some Piezo horns that are even more expensive, but IMO it would be much simpler and cost effective to put your money and time into something from a more recent century. |
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wrote in message oups.com... Well, you'd have a hard time finding a ribbon tweeter that would come close to matching the efficiency of the main drive units in the Khorn. What is the efficiency if the K-Horns? There are some ribbons that might possibly work such as the Arum Cantus G1@102db 1W/M. Fountek has one that I believe has the same sensitivity. Both of the above are priced + $300.00 U.S. This would seem to be a case of needing the rest of the drivers to come up to the standards of the tweeters. There are some Piezo horns that are even more expensive, but IMO it would be much simpler and cost effective to put your money and time into something from a more recent century. Good advice, Powell. Keep up the nice work. |
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As PWK used to say-the physics haven't changed. The bass extension and
naturalness from K-Horns, La Scalaas, and Belle Klipsches-in order of performance-are unexcelled by anything else out there. The midrange and treble, are another matter. But yes the efficiency of ribbons is relatively poorer. Biamping would make it easier to mix the two, but ultimately I think it's the sticking point. |
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wrote in message oups.com... Well, you'd have a hard time finding a ribbon tweeter that would come close to matching the efficiency of the main drive units in the Khorn. What is the efficiency if the K-Horns? There are some ribbons that might possibly work such as the Arum Cantus G1@102db 1W/M. Fountek has one that I believe has the same sensitivity. Both of the above are priced + $300.00 U.S. This would seem to be a case of needing the rest of the drivers to come up to the standards of the tweeters. There are some Piezo horns that are even more expensive, but IMO it would be much simpler and cost effective to put your money and time into something from a more recent century. I seem to recall that the advertised efficiency of the Khorns is 104 dB/watt, so 102 would work. I can't see wanting any more highs out of the Khorns myself personally. I would pad the mids and tweets down a few dB myself. |
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