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Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefest for his global warmies
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ce-copenhagen/
Apparently Al Bore feels "great irritation" at the Climategate revelations. Yup. He should have made an effort to understand the science before he let them use him as a front man -- not that he wasn't a tremendously *big* front man. Andre Jute I know how the poor bugger feels. It's hanging chad time all over again. |
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Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefest for his global warmies
Andre Jute wrote:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ce-copenhagen/ Apparently Al Bore feels "great irritation" at the Climategate revelations. Yup. He should have made an effort to understand the science before he let them use him as a front man -- not that he wasn't a tremendously *big* front man. Andre Jute I know how the poor bugger feels. It's hanging chad time all over again. Funny how he gave an interview this week and not one question was on Climategate. Bill "anyone calculate the 'carbon footprint' of this little get-together?" S. |
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Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefest for his global warmies
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Andre Jute wrote: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ce-copenhagen/ Apparently Al Bore feels "great irritation" at the Climategate revelations. Yup. He should have made an effort to understand the science before he let them use him as a front man -- not that he wasn't a tremendously *big* front man. Andre Jute I know how the poor bugger feels. It's hanging chad time all over again. Funny how he gave an interview this week and not one question was on Climategate. Bill "anyone calculate the 'carbon footprint' of this little get-together?" S. Ask and ye shall be galled: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/cop...ar-wedges.html |
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Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefest for his global warmies
On Dec 7, 10:25*am, "Bill Sornson" wrote:
Bill Sornson wrote: Andre Jute wrote: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ncels-personal.... Apparently Al Bore feels "great irritation" at the Climategate revelations. Yup. He should have made an effort to understand the science before he let them use him as a front man -- not that he wasn't a tremendously *big* front man. Andre Jute I know how the poor bugger feels. It's hanging chad time all over again. Funny how he gave an interview this week and not one question was on Climategate. Bill "anyone calculate the 'carbon footprint' of this little get-together?" S. Ask and ye shall be galled: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/cop...nge-confe/6736... These people are being idiots and the message is going to be lost. Many neocons are going to be able to shout and stamp their little feet at the outrageous, but secondary, items like how many limos and jets going there. They need a new image to promote the message. The earth IS getting warmer, nobody really knows why tho. Could be man, could be a natural swing BUT if it IS man, and the repub boobs yell, get peoples attention over nonsense, then our kids and our kids kids are screwed. But we are screwed by the likes of the palins, rush's, becks, hannitys of the world anyway. GOD GUNS GAYS...what else is there? |
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Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefest for his global warmies
On 2009-12-08, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
On Dec 7, 10:25*am, "Bill Sornson" wrote: Bill Sornson wrote: Andre Jute wrote: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ncels-personal... Apparently Al Bore feels "great irritation" at the Climategate revelations. Yup. He should have made an effort to understand the science before he let them use him as a front man -- not that he wasn't a tremendously *big* front man. Andre Jute I know how the poor bugger feels. It's hanging chad time all over again. Funny how he gave an interview this week and not one question was on Climategate. Bill "anyone calculate the 'carbon footprint' of this little get-together?" S. Ask and ye shall be galled: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/cop...nge-confe/6736... These people are being idiots and the message is going to be lost. Many neocons are going to be able to shout and stamp their little feet at the outrageous, but secondary, items like how many limos and jets going there. They need a new image to promote the message. The earth IS getting warmer, nobody really knows why tho. Could be man, could be a natural swing BUT if it IS man, and the repub boobs yell, get peoples attention over nonsense, then our kids and our kids kids are screwed. We're also screwed if it isn't man and we waste our time pointlessly cutting CO2 instead of building the dykes a bit higher. The Aztecs assumed the climate change that wiped them out was their fault and the obvious solution was to sacrifice more humans. It's possible their energies might have been better directed elsewhere. |
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Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefest for his global warmies
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, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: On Dec 7, 10:25*am, "Bill Sornson" wrote: Bill Sornson wrote: Andre Jute wrote: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-cancels-perso nal... Apparently Al Bore feels "great irritation" at the Climategate revelations. Yup. He should have made an effort to understand the science before he let them use him as a front man -- not that he wasn't a tremendously *big* front man. Andre Jute I know how the poor bugger feels. It's hanging chad time all over again. Funny how he gave an interview this week and not one question was on Climategate. Bill "anyone calculate the 'carbon footprint' of this little get-together?" S. Ask and ye shall be galled: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/cop...ange-confe/673 6... These people are being idiots and the message is going to be lost. Many neocons are going to be able to shout and stamp their little feet at the outrageous, but secondary, items like how many limos and jets going there. They need a new image to promote the message. The earth IS getting warmer, nobody really knows why tho. Could be man, could be a natural swing BUT if it IS man, and the repub boobs yell, get peoples attention over nonsense, then our kids and our kids kids are screwed. But we are screwed by the likes of the palins, rush's, becks, hannitys of the world anyway. GOD GUNS GAYS...what else is there? Back in 1980 the necons discovered that the key to controlling the public discourse is to be loud and persistent. Being right has nothing to do with it. The neocon commitment is to self-serving agenda, not to truth. God, guns and gays are just the wedge issues to keep the sheeple in line supporting an agenda that slowly destroys their lives. In Andre and Bill we have great examples of this stupidity in action; and, like their counterparts everywhere, they get enough attention from it to keep doing it over and over, every day. They're trolls and they get well-fed. |
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Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefest for his global warmies
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Ben C wrote: On 2009-12-08, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: On Dec 7, 10:25*am, "Bill Sornson" wrote: Bill Sornson wrote: Andre Jute wrote: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...e-cancels-pers onal... Apparently Al Bore feels "great irritation" at the Climategate revelations. Yup. He should have made an effort to understand the science before he let them use him as a front man -- not that he wasn't a tremendously *big* front man. Andre Jute I know how the poor bugger feels. It's hanging chad time all over again. Funny how he gave an interview this week and not one question was on Climategate. Bill "anyone calculate the 'carbon footprint' of this little get-together?" S. Ask and ye shall be galled: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/cop...hange-confe/67 36... These people are being idiots and the message is going to be lost. Many neocons are going to be able to shout and stamp their little feet at the outrageous, but secondary, items like how many limos and jets going there. They need a new image to promote the message. The earth IS getting warmer, nobody really knows why tho. Could be man, could be a natural swing BUT if it IS man, and the repub boobs yell, get peoples attention over nonsense, then our kids and our kids kids are screwed. We're also screwed if it isn't man and we waste our time pointlessly cutting CO2 instead of building the dykes a bit higher. The Aztecs assumed the climate change that wiped them out was their fault and the obvious solution was to sacrifice more humans. It's possible their energies might have been better directed elsewhere. Ah, the siren call of do-nothingism. |
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Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefest for his global warmies
On Dec 8, 1:58*pm, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
On Dec 7, 10:25*am, "Bill Sornson" wrote: Bill Sornson wrote: Andre Jute wrote: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ncels-personal.... Apparently Al Bore feels "great irritation" at the Climategate revelations. Yup. He should have made an effort to understand the science before he let them use him as a front man -- not that he wasn't a tremendously *big* front man. Andre Jute I know how the poor bugger feels. It's hanging chad time all over again. Funny how he gave an interview this week and not one question was on Climategate. Bill "anyone calculate the 'carbon footprint' of this little get-together?" S. Ask and ye shall be galled: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/cop...nge-confe/6736... These people are being idiots and the message is going to be lost. Many neocons are going to be able to shout and stamp their little feet at the outrageous, but secondary, items like how many limos and jets going there. They need a new image to promote the message. They lied about the science, they invented data and contorted data for political purposes, they ruined the careers of honest scientists who dared dissent from their lies, above all they lied and lied and lied about global warming. But you say all that is required is a new presentation! Actually, Peter, without the hockey stick (what is what these Climategate people lied into existence) there is no global warming and thus no need to search for a cause nor a remedy. The world's leaders are poncing about in Nopenhagen for no good reason whatsoever. The earth IS getting warmer, nobody really knows why tho. Of course the world is getting warmer. And of course everyone with brains knows why. We're coming out of an ice age, In a few hundred years we might again reach the temperatures a 1000 years ago, when the earth was warmer than it is now for several centuries on end. We're just in the middle of a natural uptrend, with variations around the mean. The Climategate liars (who I remind you are absolutely central to the global warming scam) merely with statistical tricks made one natural variation in the 1990s seem extraordinary. It wasn't, it was just a lie. Could be man, No, it can't be, at least not by the mechanism of CO2. Regardless of the shouting and the intimidation from the global warming lobby, CO2 increases *follow* temperature increase, and can therefore not be the cause of temperature increase. could be a natural swing BUT if it IS man, It isn't. The only manmade global warming is an artifact of statiscal crookery by Jones, Mann, Briffa and others, named in the Wegman Report to the Senate years ago already. You may remember I've been saying so all along. Now that lying scum have confessed to their crimes in the Climategate Papers. and the repub boobs yell, But they turned out to be right all along, and you've been a fool for two decades, hanging entranced on the lips of gross liars, bowing low before their "science". But still you call the guys who visibly have more brains and understanding of science than you "boobs"? God love Peter, because no one else can love such an obstinate fool. get peoples attention over nonsense, then our kids and our kids kids are screwed. Yawn. I'm so bored with bikies who fancy themselves Old Testament prophets. There is no proof of any of that gloomy crap. It has been up to 6 degrees Celsius warmer for centuries and millennia during the last 15,000 years, without any evidence of either man's influence or CO2 influence. That should be enough evidence even for the impresionable conformists one finds in cycling. But we are screwed by the likes of the palins, rush's, becks, hannitys of the world anyway. GOD GUNS GAYS...what else is there? You mean God shoots gays? I wonder if the NRA recruiters know this yet. Holy ****! What a coup. "I signed up God the Father for a lifetime membership. You can go now, Charlton, thanks for your help but we got Da Boss to do your bit now." Andre Jute Don't use electricity to cook. Start a bushfire, eat crispy creatures cooked the natural way. |
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Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefest for his global warmies
On 2009-12-08, Tim McNamara wrote:
In article , Ben C wrote: On 2009-12-08, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: On Dec 7, 10:25*am, "Bill Sornson" wrote: Bill Sornson wrote: Andre Jute wrote: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...e-cancels-pers onal... Apparently Al Bore feels "great irritation" at the Climategate revelations. Yup. He should have made an effort to understand the science before he let them use him as a front man -- not that he wasn't a tremendously *big* front man. Andre Jute I know how the poor bugger feels. It's hanging chad time all over again. Funny how he gave an interview this week and not one question was on Climategate. Bill "anyone calculate the 'carbon footprint' of this little get-together?" S. Ask and ye shall be galled: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/cop...hange-confe/67 36... These people are being idiots and the message is going to be lost. Many neocons are going to be able to shout and stamp their little feet at the outrageous, but secondary, items like how many limos and jets going there. They need a new image to promote the message. The earth IS getting warmer, nobody really knows why tho. Could be man, could be a natural swing BUT if it IS man, and the repub boobs yell, get peoples attention over nonsense, then our kids and our kids kids are screwed. We're also screwed if it isn't man and we waste our time pointlessly cutting CO2 instead of building the dykes a bit higher. The Aztecs assumed the climate change that wiped them out was their fault and the obvious solution was to sacrifice more humans. It's possible their energies might have been better directed elsewhere. Ah, the siren call of do-nothingism. Not the intended moral of the story. It _is_ sensible to keep an eye on sea-levels and make sure you're prepared for them going up. But it's foolish to think you can prevent them going up, and extremely foolish to think you can prevent them going up by cutting CO2. |
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Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefest for his global warmies
flipper wrote:
On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:27:15 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote: In article , Ben C wrote: On 2009-12-08, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: On Dec 7, 10:25 am, "Bill Sornson" wrote: Bill Sornson wrote: Andre Jute wrote: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...e-cancels-pers onal... Apparently Al Bore feels "great irritation" at the Climategate revelations. Yup. He should have made an effort to understand the science before he let them use him as a front man -- not that he wasn't a tremendously *big* front man. Andre Jute I know how the poor bugger feels. It's hanging chad time all over again. Funny how he gave an interview this week and not one question was on Climategate. Bill "anyone calculate the 'carbon footprint' of this little get-together?" S. Ask and ye shall be galled: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/cop...hange-confe/67 36... These people are being idiots and the message is going to be lost. Many neocons are going to be able to shout and stamp their little feet at the outrageous, but secondary, items like how many limos and jets going there. They need a new image to promote the message. The earth IS getting warmer, nobody really knows why tho. Could be man, could be a natural swing BUT if it IS man, and the repub boobs yell, get peoples attention over nonsense, then our kids and our kids kids are screwed. Nice rant. Now try actually /saying something/. We're also screwed if it isn't man and we waste our time pointlessly cutting CO2 instead of building the dykes a bit higher. The Aztecs assumed the climate change that wiped them out was their fault and the obvious solution was to sacrifice more humans. It's possible their energies might have been better directed elsewhere. Ah, the siren call of do-nothingism. Ah, the siren call of despots: "be scared of the straw man and give me the power to rule your lives." Bingo. |
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Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefest for his global warmies
On 2009-12-08, Andre Jute wrote:
[...] It isn't. The only manmade global warming is an artifact of statiscal crookery by Jones, Mann, Briffa and others, named in the Wegman Report to the Senate years ago already. That isn't strictly speaking the only manmade warming, or even the only Mann-made warming. There are also the various ways the hockey stick was subsequently reinstated: cherry-picking trees in Sibera and grafting the temperature record onto the reconstruction before smoothing to make the reconstruction point up at the end ("hide the decline") are two that have been analyzed recently. Then there's the less subtle approach we see in their recently released code of just adding an arbitrary fudge factor: valadj=[0.,0.,0.,0.,0.,-0.1,-0.25,-0.3,0.,-0.1,0.3,0.8,1.2,1.7,2.5,2.6,2.6, 2.6,2.6,2.6]*0.75 ; fudge factor Now we don't know for sure what this means yet, but it is interpolated over a time series from 1400 to the present and looks suspiciously like it's meant to squash the MWP and make the 20th C temps kick upwards alarmingly. I guess they thought why are we bothering with all this clever statistical crookery when it's so much easier to just make up some numbers, add them on, delete the raw data and not release the code. |
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Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefest for his global warmies
On Dec 8, 5:27*pm, Ben C wrote:
On 2009-12-08, Andre Jute wrote: [...] It isn't. The only manmade global warming is an artifact of statiscal crookery by Jones, Mann, Briffa and others, named in the Wegman Report to the Senate years ago already. That isn't strictly speaking the only manmade warming, or even the only Mann-made warming. There are also the various ways the hockey stick was subsequently reinstated: cherry-picking trees in Sibera and grafting the temperature record onto the reconstruction before smoothing to make the reconstruction point up at the end ("hide the decline") are two that have been analyzed recently. Then there's the less subtle approach we see in their recently released code of just adding an arbitrary fudge factor: * * valadj=[0.,0.,0.,0.,0.,-0.1,-0.25,-0.3,0.,-0.1,0.3,0.8,1.2,1.7,2.5,2.6,2.6, * * * 2.6,2.6,2.6]*0.75 * * * * ; fudge factor Now we don't know for sure what this means yet, but it is interpolated over a time series from 1400 to the present and looks suspiciously like it's meant to squash the MWP and make the 20th C temps kick upwards alarmingly. It looks like selected, named data points were flattened by one quarter their height. I guess they thought why are we bothering with all this clever statistical crookery when it's so much easier to just make up some numbers, add them on, delete the raw data and not release the code. There's a lesson in arrogance here. These people must once have been scientists with stars in their eyes and truth in their hearts. Twenty years of arrogance have done them in by making crookery the norm to such an extent that they forgot to hide it. It is amazing that so large a conspiracy took so long to expose... Andre Jute A little inaccuracy sometimes saves tons of explanation. --H.H.Munro ("Saki")(1870-1916) This much? No, more, more. We work in paleoclimatology, man. More, more, much more! |
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Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefest for his global warmies
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Ben C wrote: On 2009-12-08, Tim McNamara wrote: In article , Ben C wrote: On 2009-12-08, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: On Dec 7, 10:25*am, "Bill Sornson" wrote: Bill Sornson wrote: Andre Jute wrote: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...gore-cancels-p ers onal... Apparently Al Bore feels "great irritation" at the Climategate revelations. Yup. He should have made an effort to understand the science before he let them use him as a front man -- not that he wasn't a tremendously *big* front man. Andre Jute I know how the poor bugger feels. It's hanging chad time all over again. Funny how he gave an interview this week and not one question was on Climategate. Bill "anyone calculate the 'carbon footprint' of this little get-together?" S. Ask and ye shall be galled: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/cop...e-change-confe /67 36... These people are being idiots and the message is going to be lost. Many neocons are going to be able to shout and stamp their little feet at the outrageous, but secondary, items like how many limos and jets going there. They need a new image to promote the message. The earth IS getting warmer, nobody really knows why tho. Could be man, could be a natural swing BUT if it IS man, and the repub boobs yell, get peoples attention over nonsense, then our kids and our kids kids are screwed. We're also screwed if it isn't man and we waste our time pointlessly cutting CO2 instead of building the dykes a bit higher. The Aztecs assumed the climate change that wiped them out was their fault and the obvious solution was to sacrifice more humans. It's possible their energies might have been better directed elsewhere. Ah, the siren call of do-nothingism. Not the intended moral of the story. It _is_ sensible to keep an eye on sea-levels and make sure you're prepared for them going up. But it's foolish to think you can prevent them going up, and extremely foolish to think you can prevent them going up by cutting CO2. If you're responsible for the cause and can take responsibility for changing that- to the benefit of your children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, etc. then you'd be nucking futz not to do it. Truly the sins of the fathers are visited upon their children in this case. |
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Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefest for his global warmies
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flipper wrote: On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:27:15 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote: In article , Ben C wrote: On 2009-12-08, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: On Dec 7, 10:25*am, "Bill Sornson" wrote: Bill Sornson wrote: Andre Jute wrote: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...gore-cancels-p ers onal... Apparently Al Bore feels "great irritation" at the Climategate revelations. Yup. He should have made an effort to understand the science before he let them use him as a front man -- not that he wasn't a tremendously *big* front man. Andre Jute I know how the poor bugger feels. It's hanging chad time all over again. Funny how he gave an interview this week and not one question was on Climategate. Bill "anyone calculate the 'carbon footprint' of this little get-together?" S. Ask and ye shall be galled: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/cop...e-change-confe /67 36... These people are being idiots and the message is going to be lost. Many neocons are going to be able to shout and stamp their little feet at the outrageous, but secondary, items like how many limos and jets going there. They need a new image to promote the message. The earth IS getting warmer, nobody really knows why tho. Could be man, could be a natural swing BUT if it IS man, and the repub boobs yell, get peoples attention over nonsense, then our kids and our kids kids are screwed. We're also screwed if it isn't man and we waste our time pointlessly cutting CO2 instead of building the dykes a bit higher. The Aztecs assumed the climate change that wiped them out was their fault and the obvious solution was to sacrifice more humans. It's possible their energies might have been better directed elsewhere. Ah, the siren call of do-nothingism. Ah, the siren call of despots: "be scared of the straw man and give me the power to rule your lives." Problem is, this "straw man" is verified by factual data and observation with many independent sources corroborating. That is to say, it's not a straw man. Here's today's data: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8400905.stm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1206162955.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1207165252.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1206183705.htm Enjoy! |
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Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefest for his global warmies
Ben C wrote:
On 2009-12-08, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: On Dec 7, 10:25 am, "Bill Sornson" wrote: Bill Sornson wrote: Andre Jute wrote: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ncels-personal... Apparently Al Bore feels "great irritation" at the Climategate revelations. Yup. He should have made an effort to understand the science before he let them use him as a front man -- not that he wasn't a tremendously *big* front man. Andre Jute I know how the poor bugger feels. It's hanging chad time all over again. Funny how he gave an interview this week and not one question was on Climategate. Bill "anyone calculate the 'carbon footprint' of this little get-together?" S. Ask and ye shall be galled: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/cop...nge-confe/6736... These people are being idiots and the message is going to be lost. Many neocons are going to be able to shout and stamp their little feet at the outrageous, but secondary, items like how many limos and jets going there. They need a new image to promote the message. The earth IS getting warmer, nobody really knows why tho. Could be man, could be a natural swing BUT if it IS man, and the repub boobs yell, get peoples attention over nonsense, then our kids and our kids kids are screwed. We're also screwed if it isn't man and we waste our time pointlessly cutting CO2 instead of building the dykes a bit higher. The Aztecs assumed the climate change that wiped them out was their fault and the obvious solution was to sacrifice more humans. It's possible their energies might have been better directed elsewhere. bingo. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefest for his global warmies
Tim McNamara wrote:
In article , Ben C wrote: On 2009-12-08, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: On Dec 7, 10:25 am, "Bill Sornson" wrote: Bill Sornson wrote: Andre Jute wrote: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...e-cancels-pers onal... Apparently Al Bore feels "great irritation" at the Climategate revelations. Yup. He should have made an effort to understand the science before he let them use him as a front man -- not that he wasn't a tremendously *big* front man. Andre Jute I know how the poor bugger feels. It's hanging chad time all over again. Funny how he gave an interview this week and not one question was on Climategate. Bill "anyone calculate the 'carbon footprint' of this little get-together?" S. Ask and ye shall be galled: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/cop...hange-confe/67 36... These people are being idiots and the message is going to be lost. Many neocons are going to be able to shout and stamp their little feet at the outrageous, but secondary, items like how many limos and jets going there. They need a new image to promote the message. The earth IS getting warmer, nobody really knows why tho. Could be man, could be a natural swing BUT if it IS man, and the repub boobs yell, get peoples attention over nonsense, then our kids and our kids kids are screwed. We're also screwed if it isn't man and we waste our time pointlessly cutting CO2 instead of building the dykes a bit higher. The Aztecs assumed the climate change that wiped them out was their fault and the obvious solution was to sacrifice more humans. It's possible their energies might have been better directed elsewhere. Ah, the siren call of do-nothingism. Doing nothing has a certain charm. Are you advocating mass human sacrifice? -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefest for his global warmies
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AMuzi wrote: Tim McNamara wrote: In article , Ben C wrote: On 2009-12-08, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: On Dec 7, 10:25 am, "Bill Sornson" wrote: Bill Sornson wrote: Andre Jute wrote: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ore-cancels-pe rs onal... Apparently Al Bore feels "great irritation" at the Climategate revelations. Yup. He should have made an effort to understand the science before he let them use him as a front man -- not that he wasn't a tremendously *big* front man. Andre Jute I know how the poor bugger feels. It's hanging chad time all over again. Funny how he gave an interview this week and not one question was on Climategate. Bill "anyone calculate the 'carbon footprint' of this little get-together?" S. Ask and ye shall be galled: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/cop...-change-confe/ 67 36... These people are being idiots and the message is going to be lost. Many neocons are going to be able to shout and stamp their little feet at the outrageous, but secondary, items like how many limos and jets going there. They need a new image to promote the message. The earth IS getting warmer, nobody really knows why tho. Could be man, could be a natural swing BUT if it IS man, and the repub boobs yell, get peoples attention over nonsense, then our kids and our kids kids are screwed. We're also screwed if it isn't man and we waste our time pointlessly cutting CO2 instead of building the dykes a bit higher. The Aztecs assumed the climate change that wiped them out was their fault and the obvious solution was to sacrifice more humans. It's possible their energies might have been better directed elsewhere. Ah, the siren call of do-nothingism. Doing nothing has a certain charm. Are you advocating mass human sacrifice? Isn't sacrifice for the future what made the Greatest Generation great? Unfortunately the current of American power brokers are the Greediest Generation. "I got mine, everybody else can go jump." |
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, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: The earth IS getting warmer, nobody really knows why tho. Since the recession of the North America, Euorpe, and Siberia ice sheets the warmest climate period was 7000 years ago. Since then the temperature trend is to cooler temperatures. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Holocene_Temperature_Variations.png -- Michael Press |
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Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefest for his global warmies
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AMuzi wrote: Ben C wrote: On 2009-12-08, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: On Dec 7, 10:25 am, "Bill Sornson" wrote: Bill Sornson wrote: Andre Jute wrote: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...re-cancels-per sonal... Apparently Al Bore feels "great irritation" at the Climategate revelations. Yup. He should have made an effort to understand the science before he let them use him as a front man -- not that he wasn't a tremendously *big* front man. Andre Jute I know how the poor bugger feels. It's hanging chad time all over again. Funny how he gave an interview this week and not one question was on Climategate. Bill "anyone calculate the 'carbon footprint' of this little get-together?" S. Ask and ye shall be galled: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/cop...change-confe/6 736... These people are being idiots and the message is going to be lost. Many neocons are going to be able to shout and stamp their little feet at the outrageous, but secondary, items like how many limos and jets going there. They need a new image to promote the message. The earth IS getting warmer, nobody really knows why tho. Could be man, could be a natural swing BUT if it IS man, and the repub boobs yell, get peoples attention over nonsense, then our kids and our kids kids are screwed. We're also screwed if it isn't man and we waste our time pointlessly cutting CO2 instead of building the dykes a bit higher. The Aztecs assumed the climate change that wiped them out was their fault and the obvious solution was to sacrifice more humans. It's possible their energies might have been better directed elsewhere. bingo. Or not. |
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Žann 04/12/2009 19:13, Andre Jute skrifaši:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ce-copenhagen/ Apparently Al Bore feels "great irritation" at the Climategate revelations. Yup. He should have made an effort to understand the science before he let them use him as a front man -- not that he wasn't a tremendously *big* front man. Andre Jute I know how the poor bugger feels. It's hanging chad time all over again. I am reasonably sure that at some point in time this newsgroup focused on discussing audio products based on thermionic vales, but I might be wrong there. |
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On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:26:20 +0000, Olafur Gunnlaugsson
wrote: Žann 04/12/2009 19:13, Andre Jute skrifaši: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ce-copenhagen/ Apparently Al Bore feels "great irritation" at the Climategate revelations. Yup. He should have made an effort to understand the science before he let them use him as a front man -- not that he wasn't a tremendously *big* front man. Andre Jute I know how the poor bugger feels. It's hanging chad time all over again. I am reasonably sure that at some point in time this newsgroup focused on discussing audio products based on thermionic vales, but I might be wrong there. I seem to remember that time, but it has long gone. Thermionic valves produce far too much heat to discuss here. d |
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Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefest for his global warmies
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On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:53:52 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote: In article , flipper wrote: On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:27:15 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote: In article , Ben C wrote: On 2009-12-08, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: On Dec 7, 10:25 am, "Bill Sornson" wrote: Bill Sornson wrote: Andre Jute wrote: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...gore-cancels-p ers onal... Apparently Al Bore feels "great irritation" at the Climategate revelations. Yup. He should have made an effort to understand the science before he let them use him as a front man -- not that he wasn't a tremendously *big* front man. Andre Jute I know how the poor bugger feels. It's hanging chad time all over again. Funny how he gave an interview this week and not one question was on Climategate. Bill "anyone calculate the 'carbon footprint' of this little get-together?" S. Ask and ye shall be galled: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/cop...e-change-confe /67 36... These people are being idiots and the message is going to be lost. Many neocons are going to be able to shout and stamp their little feet at the outrageous, but secondary, items like how many limos and jets going there. They need a new image to promote the message. The earth IS getting warmer, nobody really knows why tho. Could be man, could be a natural swing BUT if it IS man, and the repub boobs yell, get peoples attention over nonsense, then our kids and our kids kids are screwed. We're also screwed if it isn't man and we waste our time pointlessly cutting CO2 instead of building the dykes a bit higher. The Aztecs assumed the climate change that wiped them out was their fault and the obvious solution was to sacrifice more humans. It's possible their energies might have been better directed elsewhere. Ah, the siren call of do-nothingism. Ah, the siren call of despots: "be scared of the straw man and give me the power to rule your lives." Problem is, this "straw man" is verified by factual data and observation 'Fraid not. In fact, nothing has been 'verified'. with many independent sources corroborating. 'Corroborating' what? That is to say, it's not a straw man. Sorry, but it is. Here's today's data: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8400905.stm This is a typical 'word game' flim flam. Temperatures have increased over the last century and a half because the little ice age ended and then, for the last decade, remained stable or slightly declined (as they did mid 20'th century), depending on how one smoothes and 'interprets' the data. So, of course, everything in the 'not warming' recent decade will be (on average) warmer than the preceding despite the lack of warming being a direct contradiction of the climate models. And if there is never one jot more of warming for the next 1,000 years they, too, will be (on average) 'warmer' than the preceding century and a half.. The observation is exactly the opposite of what you think because the wording is intended to keep you scared of the strawman despite the data being in conflict with the strawman. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1206162955.htm This one is a cutie. Pay attention to what 'the problem' was. The current model of how it's all supposed to work *failed* to match the historical record during that period so they had to come up with 'more stuff' to supposedly explain it. Now, on the surface that seems reasonable *but* it means that every previous explanation made where the AGW proponents claimed the model 'worked', and matched the record, actually do *not* work. Rather than a 'corroboration' it's actually another contradiction. Here's why: if your model without the 'added stuff' supposedly 'matches' the historical record 'here' but you need 'added stuff' to make it work 'there' then your model doesn't work because it should explain *all* the instances without needing to be twiddled around each time. Btw, there's no evidence whatsoever that the 'extra stuff' is valid. That's just all they could think of when the model failed, especially since the model is a religious 'given' article of faith. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1207165252.htm Sorry, but that is just speculation and even the IPCC doesn't agree. Which points out, again, that the models, as currently formulated, don't work. I.E. If there was a working model you wouldn't be getting all these disparate 'predictions'. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1206183705.htm Oh, by all means, let's 'worry' about nitrogen too. URGENTLY because they haven't a clue about it. That one is positively classic. They haven't the slightest idea what the 'consequences' might be but you know man. We're 'doing something' so it *must* be catastrophic and we'll obviously need an even more powerful despot to dictate this aspect of your life too. That's pretty much how the 'global warming' thing started too. There simply *must* be something 'wrong' with man using 'oil' so go find something. Enjoy! Today's ditty: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/cop...radiation.html |
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Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefest for his global warmies
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On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:36:09 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote: In article , AMuzi wrote: Tim McNamara wrote: In article , Ben C wrote: On 2009-12-08, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: On Dec 7, 10:25 am, "Bill Sornson" wrote: Bill Sornson wrote: Andre Jute wrote: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ore-cancels-pe rs onal... Apparently Al Bore feels "great irritation" at the Climategate revelations. Yup. He should have made an effort to understand the science before he let them use him as a front man -- not that he wasn't a tremendously *big* front man. Andre Jute I know how the poor bugger feels. It's hanging chad time all over again. Funny how he gave an interview this week and not one question was on Climategate. Bill "anyone calculate the 'carbon footprint' of this little get-together?" S. Ask and ye shall be galled: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/cop...-change-confe/ 67 36... These people are being idiots and the message is going to be lost. Many neocons are going to be able to shout and stamp their little feet at the outrageous, but secondary, items like how many limos and jets going there. They need a new image to promote the message. The earth IS getting warmer, nobody really knows why tho. Could be man, could be a natural swing BUT if it IS man, and the repub boobs yell, get peoples attention over nonsense, then our kids and our kids kids are screwed. We're also screwed if it isn't man and we waste our time pointlessly cutting CO2 instead of building the dykes a bit higher. The Aztecs assumed the climate change that wiped them out was their fault and the obvious solution was to sacrifice more humans. It's possible their energies might have been better directed elsewhere. Ah, the siren call of do-nothingism. Doing nothing has a certain charm. Are you advocating mass human sacrifice? Isn't sacrifice for the future what made the Greatest Generation great? Unfortunately the current of American power brokers are the Greediest Generation. "I got mine, everybody else can go jump." The 'greatest generation' sacrificed because there was a clear and present danger, not because some egotistical pseudo science goons falsified data to manufacture a doomsday fantasy. Funny (sad) thing is, the GWAs literally don't discern a distinction between the two "causes". BS (record low temps all over western US today) |
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Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefest to stay home with his thermionictubes instead
On Dec 9, 4:26*pm, Olafur Gunnlaugsson wrote:
Žann 04/12/2009 19:13, Andre Jute skrifaši: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ncels-personal... Apparently Al Bore feels "great irritation" at the Climategate revelations. Yup. He should have made an effort to understand the science before he let them use him as a front man -- not that he wasn't a tremendously *big* front man. Andre Jute I know how the poor bugger feels. It's hanging chad time all over again. I am reasonably sure that at some point in time this newsgroup focused on discussing audio products based on thermionic vales, but I might be wrong there. Have you no shame, sir, putting out all that heat just for purity of sound? I've long since broken up my receiving tube amps... Listening now to a single-chanel 417A amp at about a quarter watt max through a modded Lowther Fidelio type horn. Circuit schematic on my site as T68, photographic speaker build sheet too. Feeling virtuous. Andre Jute Visit Jute on Amps at http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/fiultra/ "wonderfully well written and reasoned information for the tube audio constructor" John Broskie TubeCAD & GlassWare "an unbelievably comprehensive web site containing vital gems of wisdom" Stuart Perry Hi-Fi News & Record Review |
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Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefest for his global warmies
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flipper wrote: On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:37:24 -0800, Michael Press wrote: In article , Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: The earth IS getting warmer, nobody really knows why tho. Since the recession of the North America, Euorpe, and Siberia ice sheets the warmest climate period was 7000 years ago. Since then the temperature trend is to cooler temperatures. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Holocene_Temperature_Variations.png Aw, gee. Now, you see, you're not supposed to do that. You're supposed to chop the data off at a propitious point so it looks 'bad'. Like, say, cut it off at 1850, around the end of the little ice age, so it's 'all up'. I am having trouble with that; you will have to do the work. Here, just chop off right halves of these graphs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ice-core-isotope.png -- Michael Press |
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On Dec 9, 2:12*am, flipper wrote:
On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:37:24 -0800, Michael Press wrote: In article , Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: The earth IS getting warmer, nobody really knows why tho. Since the recession of the North America, Euorpe, and Siberia ice sheets the warmest climate period was 7000 years ago. Since then the temperature trend is to cooler temperatures. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Holocene_Temperature_Variations.png Aw, gee. Now, you see, you're not supposed to do that. You're supposed to chop the data off at a propitious point so it looks 'bad'. Like, say, cut it off at 1850, around the end of the little ice age, so it's 'all up'. Look at the scale on the x-axis. It's in thousands of years. The smoothing on that plot is such that it cannot resolve the last 150 years, which is the only time scale on which one expects to find a signature of anthropogenic global warming. It's a problem of scale - you don't use this map http://www.onlineatlas.us/interstate-highways.htm to tell whether the exit that leads to my house is a right exit, left exit, or cloverleaf. If you look just a bit farther down the page there is a plot labeled "Reconstructed Temperature" http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...Comparison.png which is the one to look at if you are interested in short time scale variations, not glacial/interglacial cycles. This is the plot that the conspiracy theorists think was made by the Cigarette Smoking Man from the X-Files. Ben |
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flipper wrote: On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:36:09 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote: In article , AMuzi wrote: Tim McNamara wrote: In article , Ben C wrote: On 2009-12-08, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: On Dec 7, 10:25 am, "Bill Sornson" wrote: Bill Sornson wrote: Andre Jute wrote: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...3/gore-cancels -pe rs onal... Apparently Al Bore feels "great irritation" at the Climategate revelations. Yup. He should have made an effort to understand the science before he let them use him as a front man -- not that he wasn't a tremendously *big* front man. Andre Jute I know how the poor bugger feels. It's hanging chad time all over again. Funny how he gave an interview this week and not one question was on Climategate. Bill "anyone calculate the 'carbon footprint' of this little get-together?" S. Ask and ye shall be galled: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/cop...ate-change-con fe/ 67 36... These people are being idiots and the message is going to be lost. Many neocons are going to be able to shout and stamp their little feet at the outrageous, but secondary, items like how many limos and jets going there. They need a new image to promote the message. The earth IS getting warmer, nobody really knows why tho. Could be man, could be a natural swing BUT if it IS man, and the repub boobs yell, get peoples attention over nonsense, then our kids and our kids kids are screwed. We're also screwed if it isn't man and we waste our time pointlessly cutting CO2 instead of building the dykes a bit higher. The Aztecs assumed the climate change that wiped them out was their fault and the obvious solution was to sacrifice more humans. It's possible their energies might have been better directed elsewhere. Ah, the siren call of do-nothingism. Doing nothing has a certain charm. Are you advocating mass human sacrifice? Isn't sacrifice for the future what made the Greatest Generation great? Unfortunately the current of American power brokers are the Greediest Generation. "I got mine, everybody else can go jump." The 'greatest generation' sacrificed because there was a clear and present danger, not because some egotistical pseudo science goons falsified data to manufacture a doomsday fantasy. Oops, your tinfoil hat fell off again. |
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flipper wrote: Blah de blah de blah Repetition != truth. But you've got truthiness down pat, so good luck with that. |
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On Dec 9, 9:40*am, "Bill Sornson" wrote:
BS (record low temps all over western US today) Without taking a particular position on the entire GCC issue, I CAN take a clear and easy position on Sornson: You need a course in logic ... badly. |
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Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefest for his global warmies
Tim McNamara wrote:
*flipper wrote: Blah de blah de blah Repetition != truth. *But you've got truthiness down pat, so good luck with that. Refresher on what we are dealing with he http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denialism Conservatives seem to believe that truth and fact can be subverted as easily as the political process or free elections. Hence their denigration of "junk science" when they have nothing that deserves the name of science (physical, social, or otherwise) to support their views. It's true that you can get idiots to buy into your favorite lies, if you have enough financing to push your message through their feeding tubes. But idiots never went in for truth and fact anyway. Chalo |
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On 2009-12-10, Tim McNamara wrote:
http://www.igbp.kva.se/ I like it-- much easier to invent a bogus index and plot graphs of that shooting up alarmingly than have to go to all that trouble lying with temperature graphs. Notice how CO2 level is actually factored into the index (but CO2 level is not a measure of "climate change" by any stretch of the imagination). By the way the "global average temperature" graph on that page looks suspicious. The basic shape is the same as the UAH data, but with an offset of almost 0.2C added from around 2003, making 2005 appear warmer than 1998. |
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Bits and bobs for today:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1210111156.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1209113840.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1210111154.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1209093117.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1203101422.htm 3M's successful efforts at reducing greenhouse gas emissions without crippling their competitiveness or productivity: http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3...ability/manage ment/climate-change-energy/ |
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On Dec 8, 6:53*pm, Tim McNamara wrote:
In article , *flipper wrote: On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:27:15 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote: In article , Ben C wrote: On 2009-12-08, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: On Dec 7, 10:25*am, "Bill Sornson" wrote: Bill Sornson wrote: Andre Jute wrote: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...gore-cancels-p ers onal... Apparently Al Bore feels "great irritation" at the Climategate revelations. Yup. He should have made an effort to understand the science before he let them use him as a front man -- not that he wasn't a tremendously *big* front man. Andre Jute I know how the poor bugger feels. It's hanging chad time all over again. Funny how he gave an interview this week and not one question was on Climategate. Bill "anyone calculate the 'carbon footprint' of this little get-together?" S. Ask and ye shall be galled: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/cop...e-change-confe /67 36... These people are being idiots and the message is going to be lost. Many neocons are going to be able to shout and stamp their little feet at the outrageous, but secondary, items like how many limos and jets going there. They need a new image to promote the message. The earth IS getting warmer, nobody really knows why tho. Could be man, could be a natural swing BUT if it IS man, and the repub boobs yell, get peoples attention over nonsense, then our kids and our kids kids are screwed. We're also screwed if it isn't man and we waste our time pointlessly cutting CO2 instead of building the dykes a bit higher. The Aztecs assumed the climate change that wiped them out was their fault and the obvious solution was to sacrifice more humans. It's possible their energies might have been better directed elsewhere. Ah, the siren call of do-nothingism. Ah, the siren call of despots: "be scared of the straw man and give me the power to rule your lives." Problem is, this "straw man" is verified by factual data and observation with many independent sources corroborating. *That is to say, it's not a straw man. Here's today's data: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8400905.stm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1206162955.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1207165252.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1206183705.htm Enjoy! Didn't NASA release something a while back saying this global warming is a planetary phenomenon? Mars and Jupiter is also facing warming, which probably means there is an appreciable component attributable to activity in the sun. -Ron http://cozybeehive.blogspot.com |
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, bicycle_disciple wrote: Didn't NASA release something a while back saying this global warming is a planetary phenomenon? Mars and Jupiter is also facing warming, which probably means there is an appreciable component attributable to activity in the sun. Not that I've been able to find. If you've got a link to a NASA press release or report, then please cite it. IIRC when that first came out from the right wing blogosphere it was about the time that Martian spring was beginning for the Mars rover missions and it was, for them, warming up as a result of normal seasonal variation. If you bothered to check around, you'd find that the total solar irradiance (the energy output of the Sun) has actually been decreasing over the past 10 years consistent with its regular cycle; it is currently at or about its normal minima and should be starting to increase to its maxima which should be in about 6 years or so. The end result of this is that the Earth has been warming up while the Sun has been cooling down. Hmmm. The other "saving grace" is air pollution reducing the infrared radiation reaching the Earth, particularly high atmosphere microparticulates which case huge infrared shadows. Particulates come from both man-made and natural sources (of the latter, especially volcanoes which put large amounts of particulates into the air and result in a net cooling effect for a year or two after large eruptions). You know where this is going, right? We'll end up seeding the upper atmosphere with particulates- at taxpayer expense- to reduce global warming because business and individuals can't be bothered to reduce their GHG emissions. What can go wrong with that? What else would one expect from a species stupid enough to deliberately irradiate its own planet- at all, let alone more than once? And to stockpile enough nuclear weapons to kill everybody a few dozen times on the pretense that this makes them safer? Cave men with big shiny toys is all we still are. |
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In article , bicycle_disciple wrote: Didn't NASA release something a while back saying this global warming is a planetary phenomenon? Mars and Jupiter is also facing warming, which probably means there is an appreciable component attributable to activity in the sun. Not that I've been able to find. If you've got a link to a NASA press release or report, then please cite it. IIRC when that first came out from the right wing blogosphere it was about the time that Martian spring was beginning for the Mars rover missions and it was, for them, warming up as a result of normal seasonal variation. If you bothered to check around, you'd find that the total solar irradiance (the energy output of the Sun) has actually been decreasing over the past 10 years consistent with its regular cycle; it is currently at or about its normal minima and should be starting to increase to its maxima which should be in about 6 years or so. The end result of this is that the Earth has been warming up while the Sun has been cooling down. Hmmm. The other "saving grace" is air pollution reducing the infrared radiation reaching the Earth, particularly high atmosphere microparticulates which case huge infrared shadows. Particulates come from both man-made and natural sources (of the latter, especially volcanoes which put large amounts of particulates into the air and result in a net cooling effect for a year or two after large eruptions). You know where this is going, right? We'll end up seeding the upper atmosphere with particulates- at taxpayer expense- to reduce global warming because business and individuals can't be bothered to reduce their GHG emissions. What can go wrong with that? What else would one expect from a species stupid enough to deliberately irradiate its own planet- at all, let alone more than once? And to stockpile enough nuclear weapons to kill everybody a few dozen times on the pretense that this makes them safer? Cave men with big shiny toys is all we still are. Old news from NASA about martian ice: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2..._southpole.htm Trend: http://www.mars-ice.org/_more/about/spcrocus.php Regarding nuclear weapons I must have missed the news that the Saudi peninsula and Persia are glowing masses of glass. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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* Still Just Me * wrote: On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:58:10 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote: 3M's successful efforts at reducing greenhouse gas emissions without crippling their competitiveness or productivity: http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3...tainability/ma nage ment/climate-change-energy/ Must be made up. It's been stated quite clearly that there's no way to do this - therefore the evidence must be false. And more updates: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1209194242.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1206184749.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1210111156.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1211131605.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1210173613.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1209113840.htm Enjoy! |
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Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefest for his global warmies
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AMuzi wrote: Tim McNamara wrote: In article , bicycle_disciple wrote: Didn't NASA release something a while back saying this global warming is a planetary phenomenon? Mars and Jupiter is also facing warming, which probably means there is an appreciable component attributable to activity in the sun. Not that I've been able to find. If you've got a link to a NASA press release or report, then please cite it. IIRC when that first came out from the right wing blogosphere it was about the time that Martian spring was beginning for the Mars rover missions and it was, for them, warming up as a result of normal seasonal variation. If you bothered to check around, you'd find that the total solar irradiance (the energy output of the Sun) has actually been decreasing over the past 10 years consistent with its regular cycle; it is currently at or about its normal minima and should be starting to increase to its maxima which should be in about 6 years or so. The end result of this is that the Earth has been warming up while the Sun has been cooling down. Hmmm. The other "saving grace" is air pollution reducing the infrared radiation reaching the Earth, particularly high atmosphere microparticulates which case huge infrared shadows. Particulates come from both man-made and natural sources (of the latter, especially volcanoes which put large amounts of particulates into the air and result in a net cooling effect for a year or two after large eruptions). You know where this is going, right? We'll end up seeding the upper atmosphere with particulates- at taxpayer expense- to reduce global warming because business and individuals can't be bothered to reduce their GHG emissions. What can go wrong with that? What else would one expect from a species stupid enough to deliberately irradiate its own planet- at all, let alone more than once? And to stockpile enough nuclear weapons to kill everybody a few dozen times on the pretense that this makes them safer? Cave men with big shiny toys is all we still are. Old news from NASA about martian ice: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2..._southpole.htm Trend: http://www.mars-ice.org/_more/about/spcrocus.php Thanks for those. From the first: "Like Earth, Mars has seasons that cause its polar caps to wax and wane. 'It's late spring at the south pole of Mars,' says planetary scientist Dave Smith of the Goddard Space Flight Center. 'The polar cap is receding because the springtime sun is shining on it.'" The second shows no long-term warming trend. So, like I said. Regarding nuclear weapons I must have missed the news that the Saudi peninsula and Persia are glowing masses of glass. There's no reason to pretend to be an idiot, Andy. |
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Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefest for his global warmies
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Tim McNamara wrote: In article , AMuzi wrote: Tim McNamara wrote: In article , bicycle_disciple wrote: Didn't NASA release something a while back saying this global warming is a planetary phenomenon? Mars and Jupiter is also facing warming, which probably means there is an appreciable component attributable to activity in the sun. Not that I've been able to find. If you've got a link to a NASA press release or report, then please cite it. IIRC when that first came out from the right wing blogosphere it was about the time that Martian spring was beginning for the Mars rover missions and it was, for them, warming up as a result of normal seasonal variation. If you bothered to check around, you'd find that the total solar irradiance (the energy output of the Sun) has actually been decreasing over the past 10 years consistent with its regular cycle; it is currently at or about its normal minima and should be starting to increase to its maxima which should be in about 6 years or so. The end result of this is that the Earth has been warming up while the Sun has been cooling down. Hmmm. The other "saving grace" is air pollution reducing the infrared radiation reaching the Earth, particularly high atmosphere microparticulates which case huge infrared shadows. Particulates come from both man-made and natural sources (of the latter, especially volcanoes which put large amounts of particulates into the air and result in a net cooling effect for a year or two after large eruptions). You know where this is going, right? We'll end up seeding the upper atmosphere with particulates- at taxpayer expense- to reduce global warming because business and individuals can't be bothered to reduce their GHG emissions. What can go wrong with that? What else would one expect from a species stupid enough to deliberately irradiate its own planet- at all, let alone more than once? And to stockpile enough nuclear weapons to kill everybody a few dozen times on the pretense that this makes them safer? Cave men with big shiny toys is all we still are. Old news from NASA about martian ice: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2..._southpole.htm Trend: http://www.mars-ice.org/_more/about/spcrocus.php Thanks for those. From the first: "Like Earth, Mars has seasons that cause its polar caps to wax and wane. 'It's late spring at the south pole of Mars,' says planetary scientist Dave Smith of the Goddard Space Flight Center. 'The polar cap is receding because the springtime sun is shining on it.'" The second shows no long-term warming trend. So, like I said. Regarding nuclear weapons I must have missed the news that the Saudi peninsula and Persia are glowing masses of glass. There's no reason to pretend to be an idiot, Andy. I apologize for that, it was just rude and uncalled for. |
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Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefest for his global warmies
Tim McNamara wrote:
In article , Tim McNamara wrote: In article , AMuzi wrote: Tim McNamara wrote: In article , bicycle_disciple wrote: Didn't NASA release something a while back saying this global warming is a planetary phenomenon? Mars and Jupiter is also facing warming, which probably means there is an appreciable component attributable to activity in the sun. Not that I've been able to find. If you've got a link to a NASA press release or report, then please cite it. IIRC when that first came out from the right wing blogosphere it was about the time that Martian spring was beginning for the Mars rover missions and it was, for them, warming up as a result of normal seasonal variation. If you bothered to check around, you'd find that the total solar irradiance (the energy output of the Sun) has actually been decreasing over the past 10 years consistent with its regular cycle; it is currently at or about its normal minima and should be starting to increase to its maxima which should be in about 6 years or so. The end result of this is that the Earth has been warming up while the Sun has been cooling down. Hmmm. The other "saving grace" is air pollution reducing the infrared radiation reaching the Earth, particularly high atmosphere microparticulates which case huge infrared shadows. Particulates come from both man-made and natural sources (of the latter, especially volcanoes which put large amounts of particulates into the air and result in a net cooling effect for a year or two after large eruptions). You know where this is going, right? We'll end up seeding the upper atmosphere with particulates- at taxpayer expense- to reduce global warming because business and individuals can't be bothered to reduce their GHG emissions. What can go wrong with that? What else would one expect from a species stupid enough to deliberately irradiate its own planet- at all, let alone more than once? And to stockpile enough nuclear weapons to kill everybody a few dozen times on the pretense that this makes them safer? Cave men with big shiny toys is all we still are. Old news from NASA about martian ice: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2..._southpole.htm Trend: http://www.mars-ice.org/_more/about/spcrocus.php Thanks for those. From the first: "Like Earth, Mars has seasons that cause its polar caps to wax and wane. 'It's late spring at the south pole of Mars,' says planetary scientist Dave Smith of the Goddard Space Flight Center. 'The polar cap is receding because the springtime sun is shining on it.'" The second shows no long-term warming trend. So, like I said. Regarding nuclear weapons I must have missed the news that the Saudi peninsula and Persia are glowing masses of glass. There's no reason to pretend to be an idiot, Andy. I apologize for that, it was just rude and uncalled for. I wasn't offended. Ya gotta wonder about the net ROI on our expensive nukes... -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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