Bonsoir, je vous annonce que je viens de créer un groupe msn d'échanges
consacré aux electronique à tubes.
C'est un essai, à vous de participer et le le développer.
http://groups.msn.com/AudioetTubes
Ce genre de support pourrait faciliter les échanges rapides tout en
permettant le stockage de plans et de datas et photos.

Donner moi votre avis.

Audion

1. speak English when in this forum

2. MSN, like AOL, is a bad virus..................if you want to start a
tube group, use groups.yahoo.com, they work very well, that is why they have
the all of the great groups!


cheers!

cowboy


"stephane branchu" wrote in message
...
Bonsoir, je vous annonce que je viens de créer un groupe msn d'échanges
consacré aux electronique à tubes.
C'est un essai, à vous de participer et le le développer.
http://groups.msn.com/AudioetTubes
Ce genre de support pourrait faciliter les échanges rapides tout en
permettant le stockage de plans et de datas et photos.

Donner moi votre avis.

Audion

Cowboy wrote:
1. speak English when in this forum
--------
Why?
I thought he made a great post!

stephane branchu wrote:

Bonsoir, je vous annonce que je viens de créer un groupe msn d'échanges
consacré aux electronique à tubes.
C'est un essai, à vous de participer et le le développer.
http://groups.msn.com/AudioetTubes
Ce genre de support pourrait faciliter les échanges rapides tout en
permettant le stockage de plans et de datas et photos.

Donner moi votre avis.

Audion


I used the translator at:
http://www.worldlingo.com/en/product...ranslator.html
to get

Good evening, I announce to you that I have just created a msn group
exchanges devoted to electronic to tubes.
It is a test, with you to take part and to develop it.
http://groups.msn.COMAudioetTubes
This kind of support could facilitate the fast exchanges all in
allowing the storage of plans and of data and photographs.
To deliver to me your opinion.

Vacuum-tube

I presume that the language of instruction would be French in
the above mentioned forum. So generic white trash Americans :-)
such as myself won't be able to participate in any meaningful
manner, but I still can look at the diagrams and pictures.
DOne that with various Japanese, Chinese, and various European
languages web sites.

"RS McCown" wrote in message
...
Cowboy wrote:
1. speak English when in this forum
--------
Why?
I thought he made a great post!


'Cos most folks on this NG speak English?
-dim

robert casey wrote:
stephane branchu wrote:

Bonsoir, je vous annonce que je viens de créer un groupe msn d'échanges
consacré aux electronique à tubes.
C'est un essai, à vous de participer et le le développer.
http://groups.msn.com/AudioetTubes
Ce genre de support pourrait faciliter les échanges rapides tout en
permettant le stockage de plans et de datas et photos.

Donner moi votre avis.

Audion


I used the translator at:
http://www.worldlingo.com/en/product...ranslator.html
to get

Good evening, I announce to you that I have just created a msn group
exchanges devoted to electronic to tubes.
It is a test, with you to take part and to develop it.
http://groups.msn.COMAudioetTubes
This kind of support could facilitate the fast exchanges all in
allowing the storage of plans and of data and photographs.
To deliver to me your opinion.

Vacuum-tube

I presume that the language of instruction would be French in
the above mentioned forum. So generic white trash Americans :-)
such as myself won't be able to participate in any meaningful
manner, but I still can look at the diagrams and pictures.
DOne that with various Japanese, Chinese, and various European
languages web sites.

Schematics are mostly a "universal" language between us electro-nerds.
(Except for when the component values are in a foriegn language..but
thats not too hard to decypher either.) ;-)

"cowboy" cacheoverflow@yahooDOTcom wrote

Bonsoir, je vous annonce que je viens de créer un groupe msn
d'échanges
consacré aux electronique à tubes.
C'est un essai, à vous de participer et le le développer.
http://groups.msn.com/AudioetTubes
Ce genre de support pourrait faciliter les échanges rapides tout
en
permettant le stockage de plans et de datas et photos.

Donner moi votre avis.


1. speak English when in this forum

Why? Because it's all you know? Because it's not American? Perhaps
that language is Islam...who can tell? Terrorist alert!!! Time you
taught those French a lesson about democracy before they start
gassing the cossies again.

If the group were restricted to what *you* know, there would only be
four ignorant ****s here.

cheers, Ian

"shiva" wrote

1. speak English when in this forum
--------
Why?
I thought he made a great post!


'Cos most folks on this NG speak English?
-dim

Perhaps, whilst on this earth, we should be restricted to Chinese?

Majority rule is tyranny. Democracy is messages you can't
understand.

cheers, Ian

"Ian Iveson" wrote in message
. uk...
"shiva" wrote

1. speak English when in this forum
--------
Why?
I thought he made a great post!


'Cos most folks on this NG speak English?
-dim

Perhaps, whilst on this earth, we should be restricted to Chinese?

Majority rule is tyranny. Democracy is messages you can't
understand.

cheers, Ian


No, no, Ian - don't turn this into some political issue - I'm not a native
english speaker, but, you must admit, you'd have apain of a time
understanding me if I wrote in russian.
'sides, this group is called rec.tube.audio, implying not merely the fact
that it's bulk is not merely english-speaking, but *american* (not
rec.valve).
I'm sure it would be politically correct for me to learn more than 100
words of french, but, hey, I'd hesitate posting in english on a group called
réc.acoustique.valve.
Not bein' americacentric at all here, simply practical.
Two more silly gripes:
I've never suggested that this NG become more "democratic" - other than the
fact that true democracy is about as common as unicorns on scales bigger
than a lynchmob (and someone is yet to explain to me the difference 'tween
"mob rule" & "democracy", even though democracy *does not* imply "majority
rules" - simply that "people rule". They can be a few anointed ones, or
just a royal couple. US of A was "democratic" *way* before slaves or women
could vote.The prototype "democracy" was little more than $$$ rule. It
remains so. Kids can't vote, Felons can't, loonies can't, the poor
can't./tangent
If by democracy you mean "majority rule", then the Chinese argument is
ludicrous - how many of the chinese are on the net, postin' on RAT? I'd say
less than a majority. Safe bet would be less than 10%, and I'm allowing for
10% only 'coz I know a bunch of chinese who're into toobs...
Sorry about the digression, but it's just silly to turn simple request to
use a language which most people on this NG can understand (notice that when
non-english people post here, they usually use an auto - translator, at the
very least).
-dim (basically apolitical, but...)
"US Democracy has now been shown to be Of the people, by the people, for the
people by giving US Citizens the choice of two rich, Yale educated, white
men to take over executive powers".

On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 22:02:40 +0000, shiva wrote:

snip
No, no, Ian - don't turn this into some political issue - I'm not a native
english speaker, but, you must admit, you'd have apain of a time
understanding me if I wrote in russian. 'sides, this group is called
rec.tube.audio, implying not merely the fact that it's bulk is not merely
english-speaking, but *american* (not rec.valve).

tubes... blech
doesn't sound right! "Valves" rule! ;-)

Anyway, I thought this group was mainly for hurling insults in Aussi?
(/me dives for cover...)

--
Mick
(no M$ software on here... :-) )
Web: http://www.nascom.info
Web: http://projectedsound.tk

Schematics are mostly a "universal" language between us electro-nerds.
(Except for when the component values are in a foriegn language..but
thats not too hard to decypher either.) ;-)

True, and that's probably because electronics came along
after the metric system was invented. No screwball English
measurements for current or resistance. Though I think there was
a competing measurement for capacitance, but that was fairly close
to picofarads, within about 10% or so. Nobody uses it anymore.

No, no, Ian - don't turn this into some political issue - I'm not a
native english speaker, but, you must admit, you'd have apain of a time
understanding me if I wrote in russian.
---------
Hehe, Cowboy leans left anyway.
The guy created a tube group and announced it to his target audience.
It's a little early to start zero-tolerance and tossing wet blankets on
anyone who may struggle with english and has been thinking of posting an
announcement or question in their primary language so it's not mangled
by a translator.
If he was posting this announcement daily, it would get old in english
or french.
The more tube groups the better, and so far this guy was 100% on-topic,
and a model citizen ;-)

Cool men !!!!!!

I just wrote this message in french, because i want this Msn group to be an
exchange place !!!!!
It's not easy for us to send parcels or letters through the atlantic ocean
!!!!!
A lot of europeen guys read rec.audio.tubes, wich is a very good place to
find internet links and very intersting discussions.
But if we want to trade parts, or anything else, you seem for us, a little
bit far !!!

Don't be afraid, we like american guys in tube stuff ! ( you're better in
that kind of job than in car gun shooting, and i'm not Italian....)

Anyway, you're welcome in my Msn group, in english or french, i'don't mind
anyway !

Regards

"shiva" wrote
[snip]
Sorry about the digression, but it's just silly to turn simple
request to
use a language which most people on this NG can understand (notice
that when
non-english people post here, they usually use an auto -
translator, at the
very least)...

A request to use another language would be simple if everyone could
write all languages. OTOH, if everyone could write all languages,
they could read them too, so such a request would never be
necessary.

As things are it is an unreasonable demand. Unless you want to argue
that the group somehow *belongs* to English. It has never said so.
Perhaps we are mostly usurpers?

We are free to auto-translate, and in the case of French, which is
fairly universally understood when kept simple, it makes sense for
the poster to leave it to us. But it is up to the poster, obviously.
I suppose the gripes might modify senders' behaviour in the future,
but I doubt it.

I continue to use proper English words and spellings whenever I can
remember them. It's a cultural thing :-)

To my mind, *any* rules here are bad rules. Fortunately, although
many try to make up rules, ppl only keep to their own, and not very
often at that.

The only thing that keeps me here is that it is *not* a social
collective. It is the subject that lives here, not the people. First
thing folk do when they feel cosy is try to form a gang and exclude
everyone else.

So if different languages make folk feel uncomfortable, I'm all for
it. A degree of freedom disappears every day, why help accelerate
the process? It was an English group, now it's a French/English
group, isn't that progress?

My French is rubbish but I could understand the original post enough
to know that the proposed group is not for me, BTW. What's the point
in announcing a French speaking group in English? And what's the
point of telling, in English, someone who can't write in English to
write in English?

Since we are rambling, I have a Communist view of democracy: I don't
want to turn my kids into automatons. Somehow we need to deal with
this conformity thing in a thoughtful and practical manner. It can't
be left up to knee-jerk reactions or "common sense". We need to be
clever and consider the big picture, and not give in to convenience.

cheers, Ian

Thanks, Stephen (or is it Etienne?)

Don't be too concerned about anything negative you read here. There will
always be someone with an exception to whatever point of view is expressed.

Plus ca change... plus c'est le meme chose, non?



"stephane branchu" wrote in message
...
Cool men !!!!!!

I just wrote this message in french, because i want this Msn group to be
an
exchange place !!!!!
It's not easy for us to send parcels or letters through the atlantic
ocean
!!!!!
A lot of europeen guys read rec.audio.tubes, wich is a very good place to
find internet links and very intersting discussions.
But if we want to trade parts, or anything else, you seem for us, a little
bit far !!!

Don't be afraid, we like american guys in tube stuff ! ( you're better in
that kind of job than in car gun shooting, and i'm not Italian....)

Anyway, you're welcome in my Msn group, in english or french, i'don't mind
anyway !

Regards

Stephane wrote:
Don't be afraid, we like american guys in tube stuff ! ( you're better
in that kind of job than in car gun shooting, and i'm not Italian....)
---------
"DIFFERING ACCOUNTS
US: Forces fired on a vehicle that was approaching at high speed
Troops attempted to warn the driver to stop by hand and arm signals,
flashing white lights, and firing warning shots
When the driver didn't stop, the soldiers shot into the engine block"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4323361.stm

"The Ivorian police accused the French troops of firing without giving
any warning at a crowd of protesters near a hotel in Abidjan; the French
say they gave warning shots.
"There were phases of clashes that were extremely difficult and during
which we maintain that our soldiers used force in a very moderate, very
restrained way," Mr Bureau said."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4057769.stm

They should realize the insurgency uses cars as their main weapons
delivery system.
They perhaps should have been more attuned to what a soldier on the
ground sees as a threat, that is if they want to stay alive.

Thanks for your new group. One more is always welcome.
I looked at your site and saw a schematic for a DRD (Monkey, LW, ...)
amp; interesting design. I hope we can have a good discussion
on this unusual circuit.

French, English,... America, or any countries... tubes and music!
Welcome, and thanks.

stephane branchu wrote:
Cool men !!!!!!

I just wrote this message in french, because i want this Msn group to be an
exchange place !!!!!
It's not easy for us to send parcels or letters through the atlantic ocean
!!!!!
A lot of europeen guys read rec.audio.tubes, wich is a very good place to
find internet links and very intersting discussions.
But if we want to trade parts, or anything else, you seem for us, a little
bit far !!!

Don't be afraid, we like american guys in tube stuff ! ( you're better in
that kind of job than in car gun shooting, and i'm not Italian....)

Anyway, you're welcome in my Msn group, in english or french, i'don't mind
anyway !

Regards

Thanks for your new group. One more is always welcome.
I looked at your site and saw a schematic for a DRD (Monkey, LW, ...)
amp; interesting design. I hope we can have a good discussion
on this unusual circuit.

French, English,... America, or any countries... tubes and music!
Welcome, and thanks.

stephane branchu wrote:
Cool men !!!!!!

I just wrote this message in french, because i want this Msn group to be an
exchange place !!!!!
It's not easy for us to send parcels or letters through the atlantic ocean
!!!!!
A lot of europeen guys read rec.audio.tubes, wich is a very good place to
find internet links and very intersting discussions.
But if we want to trade parts, or anything else, you seem for us, a little
bit far !!!

Don't be afraid, we like american guys in tube stuff ! ( you're better in
that kind of job than in car gun shooting, and i'm not Italian....)

Anyway, you're welcome in my Msn group, in english or french, i'don't mind
anyway !

Regards

"mick" wrote

tubes... blech
doesn't sound right! "Valves" rule! ;-)

More and more each day,

Europe rules!

Anyway, I thought this group was mainly for hurling insults in
Aussi?

So where's the insults?

(/me dives for cover...)

But you haven't done your insults yet! It's not hard you know...

cheers, Ian

On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 20:07:26 GMT, "Ian Iveson"
wrote:

Since we are rambling, I have a Communist view of democracy: I don't
want to turn my kids into automatons.

Hmmmm. Ever been to China?

--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote

Hmmmm. Ever been to China?

No, and it is a while since I have received a delegation from the
mainland :-)

I worked for a Taiwanese company (Tatung) once, and the management
were absolute ****heads who *expected* workers to be automata.
Famously, they issued an edict banning smiling on the production
lines. They were very proud of their bought American MBAs. They must
be really peeved now they have to deal with the real China.

Mainland Chinese I have spoken with have impressed me with their
sense of personal integrity. I think we have had a false notion of
China that goes back to the lying Marco Polo. As with Iraq, people
from younger civilisations must find it difficult to interpret an
attitude that can sometimes seem like acquiescence, but isn't. I
guess there is a patient wisdom buried in their philosophy that we
have yet to discover.

I have been trying to persuade my son to go to China so I could
visit him, but he has his heart set on Japan. I suspect he
fantasises about Japanese girls.

cheers, Ian

On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 02:16:56 +0000, Ian Iveson wrote:

snip

But you haven't done your insults yet! It's not hard you know...


I'm but a novice. I come here in an attempt to learn technique by the
example of the great master Philious.

--
Mick
(no M$ software on here... :-) )
Web: http://www.nascom.info
Web: http://projectedsound.tk

Why? Because it's all you know? Because it's not American? Perhaps that
language is Islam...who can tell? Terrorist alert!!! Time you taught those
French a lesson about democracy before they start gassing the cossies
again.

cheers, Ian

George Bush is pure evil, please do not think that all Americans think like
him.

Only 25% of the voting age population of American voted for him, MOST people
here do not like this evil dictator and war criminal. Cowboys are a GOOD
thing, Bush is no cowboy, he is a murderer.


cheers!

cowboy

I just wrote this message in french, because i want this Msn group to be
an
exchange place !!!!!
It's not easy for us to send parcels or letters through the atlantic
ocean
!!!!!


yes it is, I ship parcels to Europe from USA every day.

cowboy