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Cold temperatures vs. sub surround
It's been anywhere between 20 and -12 degrees farenheit where I live for the
last two weeks. Will pushing my subs hard at that temperature hurt the surrounds before they've had a chance to warm up? Should I listen at a lower volume until they've come up in temp a little? 2 Soundstream EXACT10s in an aperiodic box. Tony -- What's more likely? That an all-powerful mysterious god created the universe and then decided not to give any proof of his existence? Or, that he simply doesn't exist at all? And that we created him so that we wouldn't have to feel so small and alone. -Eleanor Arroway, Contact |
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Cold temperatures vs. sub surround
It's been anywhere between 20 and -12 degrees farenheit where I live for the
last two weeks. Will pushing my subs hard at that temperature hurt the surrounds before they've had a chance to warm up? Should I listen at a lower volume until they've come up in temp a little? 2 Soundstream EXACT10s in an aperiodic box. Tony I've kinda been wondering the same thing about my deck/amp/speakers. We've been having some record colds this year, and while not too cold compared to some places (10-20 degrees), I have been wondering how this can affect electronic equipement. I remember when I worked on a ship in Alaska, I worked in the freezer hold which was -30, and I brought my portable cd player down there with me a few times... I would keep the cd player in the pocket of my freezer suit, but it didn't take long for it to crap out on me. Nick |
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On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:31:01 -0800, "Tony Fernandes"
wrote: It's been anywhere between 20 and -12 degrees farenheit where I live for the last two weeks. Will pushing my subs hard at that temperature hurt the surrounds before they've had a chance to warm up? Should I listen at a lower volume until they've come up in temp a little? 2 Soundstream EXACT10s in an aperiodic box. Tony Yes! Especially, if they're rubber surrounds. They will start to crack. A friend of mind asked me that same question. I told him to wait a 1/2 hour or so until it warms up back there. |
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It's been anywhere between 20 and -12 degrees farenheit where I live for
the last two weeks. Will pushing my subs hard at that temperature hurt the surrounds before they've had a chance to warm up? Should I listen at a lower volume until they've come up in temp a little? 2 Soundstream EXACT10s in an aperiodic box. Tony Yes! Especially, if they're rubber surrounds. They will start to crack. A friend of mind asked me that same question. I told him to wait a 1/2 hour or so until it warms up back there. Most car rides are under half an hour. I think it's a bit silly to refrain from using your car stereo in the wintertime. (I live in the northeast and I've never ever run into this problem) |
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Mark Zarella wrote: "Most car rides are under half an hour. I think it's a
bit silly to refrain from using your car stereo in the wintertime." You know, that's what I was thinking. It's only 15 minutes for me to get from one side of town to the other!! "(I live in the northeast and I've never ever run into this problem)" Ahhh...personal testimony. This is what I was hoping to hear!! Tony -- What's more likely? That an all-powerful mysterious god created the universe and then decided not to give any proof of his existence? Or, that he simply doesn't exist at all? And that we created him so that we wouldn't have to feel so small and alone. -Eleanor Arroway, Contact "Mark Zarella" wrote in message ... It's been anywhere between 20 and -12 degrees farenheit where I live for the last two weeks. Will pushing my subs hard at that temperature hurt the surrounds before they've had a chance to warm up? Should I listen at a lower volume until they've come up in temp a little? 2 Soundstream EXACT10s in an aperiodic box. Tony Yes! Especially, if they're rubber surrounds. They will start to crack. A friend of mind asked me that same question. I told him to wait a 1/2 hour or so until it warms up back there. Most car rides are under half an hour. I think it's a bit silly to refrain from using your car stereo in the wintertime. (I live in the northeast and I've never ever run into this problem) |
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John J wrote: "Yes! Especially, if they're rubber surrounds. They will
start to crack. A friend of mind asked me that same question. I told him to wait a 1/2 hour or so until it warms up back there." I have also heard this, but never experienced it. Yes, they're rubber surrounds. Tony -- What's more likely? That an all-powerful mysterious god created the universe and then decided not to give any proof of his existence? Or, that he simply doesn't exist at all? And that we created him so that we wouldn't have to feel so small and alone. -Eleanor Arroway, Contact "John J" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:31:01 -0800, "Tony Fernandes" wrote: It's been anywhere between 20 and -12 degrees farenheit where I live for the last two weeks. Will pushing my subs hard at that temperature hurt the surrounds before they've had a chance to warm up? Should I listen at a lower volume until they've come up in temp a little? 2 Soundstream EXACT10s in an aperiodic box. Tony Yes! Especially, if they're rubber surrounds. They will start to crack. A friend of mind asked me that same question. I told him to wait a 1/2 hour or so until it warms up back there. |
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"Tony Fernandes" wrote in
: John J wrote: "Yes! Especially, if they're rubber surrounds. They will start to crack. A friend of mind asked me that same question. I told him to wait a 1/2 hour or so until it warms up back there." I have also heard this, but never experienced it. Yes, they're rubber surrounds. Tony Some peeps are in the habit of warming the car up before they set out onthe road. I usually just turn the volume down before I leave my car at night. When I get to the car its warm enough for me to turn the volume up to an acceptable level. I dont lksten to music that loudly though. My volume on my Alpine CDA-7892 is set between 9-12. Just to be on the safe side. Wasnt the O rings that failed around the shuttle columbia fuel boosters rubber? I would warm the car up first- jeff |
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Some peeps are in the habit of warming the car up before they set out
onthe road. I usually just turn the volume down before I leave my car at night. When I get to the car its warm enough for me to turn the volume up to an acceptable level. I dont lksten to music that loudly though. My volume on my Alpine CDA-7892 is set between 9-12. Just to be on the safe side. Wasnt the O rings that failed around the shuttle columbia fuel boosters rubber? I would warm the car up first- You're comparing the conditions that a car subwoofer will face to the conditions that a shuttle will face? The engineers at these companies aren't stupid (there are a couple exceptions though). They know what kind of climates the speakers will be used in. |
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If your car has a trunk. The heater wont do jack for you. I just simply don't use my system in temperatures less then -10c as recommended by most manufactures and never had a problem. Some peeps are in the habit of warming the car up before they set out onthe road. I usually just turn the volume down before I leave my car at night. When I get to the car its warm enough for me to turn the volume up to an acceptable level. I dont lksten to music that loudly though. My volume on my Alpine CDA-7892 is set between 9-12. Just to be on the safe side. Wasnt the O rings that failed around the shuttle columbia fuel boosters rubber? I would warm the car up first- jeff |
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My take on this is I live in a very cold winter climate and never warm the
subs up first. I have been using Kicker subs exclusively for 6 years and havent broke one yet. Like Mr Howdy said when there in the trunk what can ya do? They DO sound different when its -10 outside.But never cracked. "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... If your car has a trunk. The heater wont do jack for you. I just simply don't use my system in temperatures less then -10c as recommended by most manufactures and never had a problem. Some peeps are in the habit of warming the car up before they set out onthe road. I usually just turn the volume down before I leave my car at night. When I get to the car its warm enough for me to turn the volume up to an acceptable level. I dont lksten to music that loudly though. My volume on my Alpine CDA-7892 is set between 9-12. Just to be on the safe side. Wasnt the O rings that failed around the shuttle columbia fuel boosters rubber? I would warm the car up first- jeff |
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I find that the colder it gets the more bass I get out of the subs, Not sure why, if the surrounds of the subs get stiffer from the cold it sound produce less bass and not more. Other then cold air being dry and liter ( is that spelt right?) I can't explain it. They DO sound different when its -10 outside.But never cracked. |
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Do you find that a half an hour of play time would be less damaging to your speaker surrounds in cold weather then an hour or more of playing time? I'm not sure were you're going with this? In article , "Mark Zarella" wrote: Most car rides are under half an hour. I think it's a bit silly to refrain from using your car stereo in the wintertime. (I live in the northeast and I've never ever run into this problem) |
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Do you find that a half an hour of play time would be less damaging to
your speaker surrounds in cold weather then an hour or more of playing time? I'm not sure were you're going with this? No. Read what I was replying to. He said to wait a half hour before use. I stated that most car rides are under a half hour. |
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"Captain Howdy" wrote in message
... I find that the colder it gets the more bass I get out of the subs, Not sure why, if the surrounds of the subs get stiffer from the cold it sound produce less bass and not more. Other then cold air being dry and liter ( is that spelt right?) I can't explain it. They DO sound different when its -10 outside.But never cracked. more air molecules, so the sound travels better. less water vapor |
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"Tony Fernandes" wrote in message
... It's been anywhere between 20 and -12 degrees farenheit where I live for the last two weeks. Will pushing my subs hard at that temperature hurt the surrounds before they've had a chance to warm up? Should I listen at a lower volume until they've come up in temp a little? 2 Soundstream EXACT10s in an aperiodic box. Tony -- What's more likely? That an all-powerful mysterious god created the universe and then decided not to give any proof of his existence? Or, that he simply doesn't exist at all? And that we created him so that we wouldn't have to feel so small and alone. -Eleanor Arroway, Contact most times if I turn on the CD player when it's cold the laser makes the CD fog up, so I leave the system off or listen to the radio sans subs. |
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more air molecules, so the sound travels better. less water vapor
Wait, doesn't sound travel better in water? |
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"Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... I find that the colder it gets the more bass I get out of the subs, Not sure why, if the surrounds of the subs get stiffer from the cold it sound produce less bass and not more. Other then cold air being dry and liter ( is that spelt right?) I can't explain it. Cold air is denser, sound travels farther, faster and with less loss. Ben |
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Alright then, what are you saying then, Don't warm up your car, don't play
your system or what the heck and go for it ? What are your thoughts on this? In article , "Mark Zarella" wrote: Do you find that a half an hour of play time would be less damaging to your speaker surrounds in cold weather then an hour or more of playing time? I'm not sure were you're going with this? No. Read what I was replying to. He said to wait a half hour before use. I stated that most car rides are under a half hour. |
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I dunno, why not drop a few speakers in your bathtub and let us know how it turns out. In article , "Mark Zarella" wrote: more air molecules, so the sound travels better. less water vapor Wait, doesn't sound travel better in water? |
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Hey Ben,
I could be wrong, but wouldn't warm are be denser, because of humidity? In article , "Ben Robinson" wrote: "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... I find that the colder it gets the more bass I get out of the subs, Not sure why, if the surrounds of the subs get stiffer from the cold it sound produce less bass and not more. Other then cold air being dry and liter ( is that spelt right?) I can't explain it. Cold air is denser, sound travels farther, faster and with less loss. Ben |
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Alright then, what are you saying then, Don't warm up your car,
No, you should warm up your car. Otherwise, you may cause damage to your car. Oh yeah, and you'll freeze your ass off in this below zero weather. don't play your system or what the heck and go for it ? What are your thoughts on this? Play your system whenever you want. |
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The temperature has nothing to do with the humidity level. Humidity is a
measure of the moisture content of the air. Hell, it's been 100% humidity here for a couple of days now an it hasn't gotten over 43 degrees. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... Hey Ben, I could be wrong, but wouldn't warm are be denser, because of humidity? In article , "Ben Robinson" wrote: "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... I find that the colder it gets the more bass I get out of the subs, Not sure why, if the surrounds of the subs get stiffer from the cold it sound produce less bass and not more. Other then cold air being dry and liter ( is that spelt right?) I can't explain it. Cold air is denser, sound travels farther, faster and with less loss. Ben |
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I can't argue with any of that. In article , "Mark Zarella" wrote: Alright then, what are you saying then, Don't warm up your car, No, you should warm up your car. Otherwise, you may cause damage to your car. Oh yeah, and you'll freeze your ass off in this below zero weather. don't play your system or what the heck and go for it ? What are your thoughts on this? Play your system whenever you want. |
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I'm gonna go with the fact the air is lighter and the cone is stiffer, move
air more effciently with less distortion. But I still don't really feel like playing them loud when it's -24F here (as it is now), as I have an hour drive, I wait about 20min or so, and since I have a hatchback it gets warm back there. "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... I find that the colder it gets the more bass I get out of the subs, Not sure why, if the surrounds of the subs get stiffer from the cold it sound produce less bass and not more. Other then cold air being dry and liter ( is that spelt right?) I can't explain it. They DO sound different when its -10 outside.But never cracked. |
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Answer this, Why do people use dehumidifiers more in the summer then in the
winter, I guess a better question is why do dehumidifiers fill up with water way faster in the summer then in the winter ? In article HGCNb.75690$xy6.133712@attbi_s02, "Paul Vina" wrote: The temperature has nothing to do with the humidity level. Humidity is a measure of the moisture content of the air. Hell, it's been 100% humidity here for a couple of days now an it hasn't gotten over 43 degrees. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... Hey Ben, I could be wrong, but wouldn't warm are be denser, because of humidity? In article , "Ben Robinson" wrote: "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... I find that the colder it gets the more bass I get out of the subs, Not sure why, if the surrounds of the subs get stiffer from the cold it sound produce less bass and not more. Other then cold air being dry and liter ( is that spelt right?) I can't explain it. Cold air is denser, sound travels farther, faster and with less loss. Ben |
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"Mark Zarella" wrote in message
... more air molecules, so the sound travels better. less water vapor Wait, doesn't sound travel better in water? unless there's a mix then nope. |
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"Captain Howdy" wrote in message
... Hey Ben, I could be wrong, but wouldn't warm are be denser, because of humidity? nope have it bakcwards, the water vapor takes up space. |
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"Captain Howdy" wrote in message
... Answer this, Why do people use dehumidifiers more in the summer then in the winter, I guess a better question is why do dehumidifiers fill up with water way faster in the summer then in the winter ? the summer air is hot and humid, the dehumidifier, make it less humid. |
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Thats a first
"Captain Howdy" wrote in message news I can't argue with any of that. In article , "Mark Zarella" wrote: Alright then, what are you saying then, Don't warm up your car, No, you should warm up your car. Otherwise, you may cause damage to your car. Oh yeah, and you'll freeze your ass off in this below zero weather. don't play your system or what the heck and go for it ? What are your thoughts on this? Play your system whenever you want. |
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The temperature has nothing to do with the humidity level. Humidity
is a measure of the moisture content of the air. Hell, it's been 100% humidity here for a couple of days now an it hasn't gotten over 43 degrees. Temperature has everything to do with humidity level. The warmer it is the more water vapor can air sustain without condensing. 100% humidity at 32F means there's lot less water vapor in air than 100% at 100F. Basic physics. Peter |
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Because humidity, no matter the temperature makes it feel warmer than it is.
When it's 30 degrees no one minds feeling warmer. When it 110 that's a different story. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... Answer this, Why do people use dehumidifiers more in the summer then in the winter, I guess a better question is why do dehumidifiers fill up with water way faster in the summer then in the winter ? In article HGCNb.75690$xy6.133712@attbi_s02, "Paul Vina" wrote: The temperature has nothing to do with the humidity level. Humidity is a measure of the moisture content of the air. Hell, it's been 100% humidity here for a couple of days now an it hasn't gotten over 43 degrees. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... Hey Ben, I could be wrong, but wouldn't warm are be denser, because of humidity? In article , "Ben Robinson" wrote: "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... I find that the colder it gets the more bass I get out of the subs, Not sure why, if the surrounds of the subs get stiffer from the cold it sound produce less bass and not more. Other then cold air being dry and liter ( is that spelt right?) I can't explain it. Cold air is denser, sound travels farther, faster and with less loss. Ben |
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Right, but I was talking percentages.
Paul Vina "Peter" wrote in message ... The temperature has nothing to do with the humidity level. Humidity is a measure of the moisture content of the air. Hell, it's been 100% humidity here for a couple of days now an it hasn't gotten over 43 degrees. Temperature has everything to do with humidity level. The warmer it is the more water vapor can air sustain without condensing. 100% humidity at 32F means there's lot less water vapor in air than 100% at 100F. Basic physics. Peter |
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I try to agree as often as I can. lol In article , "wicked1" wrote: Thats a first "Captain Howdy" wrote in message news I can't argue with any of that. In article , "Mark Zarella" wrote: Alright then, what are you saying then, Don't warm up your car, No, you should warm up your car. Otherwise, you may cause damage to your car. Oh yeah, and you'll freeze your ass off in this below zero weather. don't play your system or what the heck and go for it ? What are your thoughts on this? Play your system whenever you want. |
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I feel the need to address this as no one else did; the O-rings that
failed were on the Challenger. You know, the one that blew up in 86? The Columbia broke apart from excessive heat buildup due to damaged tiles on its underside. Brandonb Jeff Albright wrote: Wasnt the O rings that failed around the shuttle columbia fuel boosters rubber? |
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That doesn't answer my question.
In article IRSNb.79612$I06.341578@attbi_s01, "Paul Vina" wrote: Because humidity, no matter the temperature makes it feel warmer than it is. When it's 30 degrees no one minds feeling warmer. When it 110 that's a different story. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... Answer this, Why do people use dehumidifiers more in the summer then in the winter, I guess a better question is why do dehumidifiers fill up with water way faster in the summer then in the winter ? In article HGCNb.75690$xy6.133712@attbi_s02, "Paul Vina" wrote: The temperature has nothing to do with the humidity level. Humidity is a measure of the moisture content of the air. Hell, it's been 100% humidity here for a couple of days now an it hasn't gotten over 43 degrees. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... Hey Ben, I could be wrong, but wouldn't warm are be denser, because of humidity? In article , "Ben Robinson" wrote: "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... I find that the colder it gets the more bass I get out of the subs, Not sure why, if the surrounds of the subs get stiffer from the cold it sound produce less bass and not more. Other then cold air being dry and liter ( is that spelt right?) I can't explain it. Cold air is denser, sound travels farther, faster and with less loss. Ben |
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Okay fine, but wouldnt the water itself make the air denser?
In article , "Tha Ghee" wrote: "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... Hey Ben, I could be wrong, but wouldn't warm are be denser, because of humidity? nope have it bakcwards, the water vapor takes up space. |
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Okay then, So,,,,,,,,,subs sound louder in the winter (in cold weather) because the air is less dense due to a lack of water in the air and there for moves with less effort ? In article , "Peter" wrote: The temperature has nothing to do with the humidity level. Humidity is a measure of the moisture content of the air. Hell, it's been 100% humidity here for a couple of days now an it hasn't gotten over 43 degrees. Temperature has everything to do with humidity level. The warmer it is the more water vapor can air sustain without condensing. 100% humidity at 32F means there's lot less water vapor in air than 100% at 100F. Basic physics. Peter |
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So now in fact you are saying that humidity has something to do with
temperature. Will you make up your mind. In article IRSNb.79612$I06.341578@attbi_s01, "Paul Vina" wrote: Because humidity, no matter the temperature makes it feel warmer than it is. When it's 30 degrees no one minds feeling warmer. When it 110 that's a different story. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... Answer this, Why do people use dehumidifiers more in the summer then in the winter, I guess a better question is why do dehumidifiers fill up with water way faster in the summer then in the winter ? In article HGCNb.75690$xy6.133712@attbi_s02, "Paul Vina" wrote: The temperature has nothing to do with the humidity level. Humidity is a measure of the moisture content of the air. Hell, it's been 100% humidity here for a couple of days now an it hasn't gotten over 43 degrees. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... Hey Ben, I could be wrong, but wouldn't warm are be denser, because of humidity? In article , "Ben Robinson" wrote: "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... I find that the colder it gets the more bass I get out of the subs, Not sure why, if the surrounds of the subs get stiffer from the cold it sound produce less bass and not more. Other then cold air being dry and liter ( is that spelt right?) I can't explain it. Cold air is denser, sound travels farther, faster and with less loss. Ben |
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Where is Lester, he's a scientific type of a noob, maybe he can draw us a chart or a graph on this issue. In article , "Peter" wrote: The temperature has nothing to do with the humidity level. Humidity is a measure of the moisture content of the air. Hell, it's been 100% humidity here for a couple of days now an it hasn't gotten over 43 degrees. Temperature has everything to do with humidity level. The warmer it is the more water vapor can air sustain without condensing. 100% humidity at 32F means there's lot less water vapor in air than 100% at 100F. Basic physics. Peter |
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