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Take it from experts. A couple of excerpts: The phonograph record is a marvelous medium for storing and reproducing sound. With frequency response from 7 Hz to 25kHz and over 75 dB dynamic range possible, it is capable of startling realism. Its ability to convey a sense of space, that is width and depth of sound stage, with a degree of openness and airiness, is unrivaled by anything but the most esoteric digital systems. Next limitation: treble. You can put as much treble on a DAT or CD as you want. Unfortunately this is not true on a record (or analog tape for that matter). Although 25kHz response is possible, excessive transients are a problem. There are several reasons for this. It was decided with the advent of the first electrical transcription phonograph record, to reduce bass and boost treble in the cutting of the master record. |
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Bertie said to the Bug Eater: It so happens that many CDs have entirely excessive, forward and harsh treble. Coincidence? Mickey doesn't care how bad it sounds as long as it's "accurate". BTW, when are you going to realize how ****ing stupid duh-Mikey is? |
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oups.com wrote: http://www.urpressing.com/tips.html Take it from experts. A couple of excerpts: The phonograph record is a marvelous medium for storing and reproducing sound. With frequency response from 7 Hz to 25kHz and over 75 dB dynamic range possible, it is capable of startling realism. Its ability to convey a sense of space, that is width and depth of sound stage, with a degree of openness and airiness, is unrivaled by anything but the most esoteric digital systems. The idea of clean bass from vinyl much below 100Hz is generally a fantasy. Two words: tone arm resonance. Next limitation: treble. You can put as much treble on a DAT or CD as you want. Unfortunately this is not true on a record (or analog tape for that matter). Although 25kHz response is possible, excessive transients are a problem. There are several reasons for this. It was decided with the advent of the first electrical transcription phonograph record, to reduce bass and boost treble in the cutting of the master record. It so happens that many CDs have entirely excessive, forward and harsh treble. Coincidence? Just goes to show that some people who do mastering and mixing are short on taste. The CD format has uniform power bandwidth over the audible range, so unlike vinyl it puts no constraints on making recordings with lots of treble. |
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"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
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George M. Middius wrote: Bertie said to the Bug Eater: It so happens that many CDs have entirely excessive, forward and harsh treble. Coincidence? Mickey doesn't care how bad it sounds as long as it's "accurate". I care if I like it. I also know that if it sounds a certain way, as in the case of harsh and overly bright, it's the ay they intended it to sound. I would avoid that artist's work in the future. Accuracy is the goal of hi-fi, but it don't meansquat if you don't like teh way it was recorded. BTW, when are you going to realize how ****ing stupid duh-Mikey is? Letting someone get information from LP experts and enthusiasts is a sign of stupidity in your world George? Oh wait, you don't really exist, so your comments are worth what we paid for them. |
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" wrote: Bret Ludwig wrote: wrote: http://www.urpressing.com/tips.html Take it from experts. A couple of excerpts: The phonograph record is a marvelous medium for storing and reproducing sound. With frequency response from 7 Hz to 25kHz and over 75 dB dynamic range possible, it is capable of startling realism. Its ability to convey a sense of space, that is width and depth of sound stage, with a degree of openness and airiness, is unrivaled by anything but the most esoteric digital systems. Next limitation: treble. You can put as much treble on a DAT or CD as you want. Unfortunately this is not true on a record (or analog tape for that matter). Although 25kHz response is possible, excessive transients are a problem. There are several reasons for this. It was decided with the advent of the first electrical transcription phonograph record, to reduce bass and boost treble in the cutting of the master record. It so happens that many CDs have entirely excessive, forward and harsh treble. Coincidence? That happens to be a matter of taste. It may in fact be the way the artist(s) whanted it to sound or how it in fact did sound, and you just don't like it. It could also be a sign that the person doing the mix was a moron, hard of hearing in the HF range, or both. It has nothing to do with the CD format, they simply play back what was recorded, you are ot obliged to like it. I've yet to hear orchestral strings, for example, particularly upper range violin, sound as right on CD as it can on LP. |
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"Jenn" wrote in message
I've yet to hear orchestral strings, for example, particularly upper range violin, sound as right on CD as it can on LP. Obviously, you're looking for an unnatural sound from those violins. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message I've yet to hear orchestral strings, for example, particularly upper range violin, sound as right on CD as it can on LP. Obviously, you're looking for an unnatural sound from those violins. Incorrect. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Jenn" wrote in message I've yet to hear orchestral strings, for example, particularly upper range violin, sound as right on CD as it can on LP. Obviously, you're looking for an unnatural sound from those violins. Absolute BS, Arny. She's right as rain on this. |
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"Jenn" wrote in message
In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message I've yet to hear orchestral strings, for example, particularly upper range violin, sound as right on CD as it can on LP. Obviously, you're looking for an unnatural sound from those violins. Incorrect. Denial of reality noted. |
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"Harry Lavo" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Jenn" wrote in message I've yet to hear orchestral strings, for example, particularly upper range violin, sound as right on CD as it can on LP. Obviously, you're looking for an unnatural sound from those violins. Absolute BS, Arny. She's right as rain on this. Since you have just about everything about audio wrong Harry, I take this as approval. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message news BTW, when am I going to realize how incredibly stupid I am? Never. You are too stupid to do that. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Jenn" wrote in message I've yet to hear orchestral strings, for example, particularly upper range violin, sound as right on CD as it can on LP. Obviously, you're looking for an unnatural sound from those violins. yes, the ones that the violins make aren't quite natural. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
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Jenn said: I've yet to hear orchestral strings, for example, particularly upper range violin, sound as right on CD as it can on LP. Obviously, you're looking for an unnatural sound from those violins. Incorrect. That Kroo-klaim might be incorrect, but your frame of reference is all too human for Mr. **** to understand. To the Krooborg and its disgusting ilk, "unnatural" actually means "different from other digitally mastered recordings". It's a question of perspective. |
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Harry Lavo said: Obviously, you're looking for an unnatural sound from those violins. Absolute BS, Arny. She's right as rain on this. Sorry, but that simply cannot be true. If Jenn is right, that means Arnii is wrong. And that is an impossibility, at least according to "The Debating Trade Handbook" that Krooger so loves. (Sorry to tell you that I can't give a specific page reference for my citation because the only time I glimpsed Turdy's copy of the book, most of the pages were stuck together.) |
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Clyde Slick said: BTW, when am I going to realize how incredibly stupid I am? Never. You are too stupid to do that. Note how Turdborg rushes to defend poor Mikey when the Normals start laughing too hard at him. |
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"Clyde Slick" wrote: "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Jenn" wrote in message I've yet to hear orchestral strings, for example, particularly upper range violin, sound as right on CD as it can on LP. Obviously, you're looking for an unnatural sound from those violins. yes, the ones that the violins make aren't quite natural. :-) |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message I've yet to hear orchestral strings, for example, particularly upper range violin, sound as right on CD as it can on LP. Obviously, you're looking for an unnatural sound from those violins. Incorrect. Denial of reality noted. No, you are indeed incorrect. The violin sound that I'm looking for is, indeed, natural. |
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Jenn wrote: In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message I've yet to hear orchestral strings, for example, particularly upper range violin, sound as right on CD as it can on LP. Obviously, you're looking for an unnatural sound from those violins. Incorrect. Denial of reality noted. No, you are indeed incorrect. The violin sound that I'm looking for is, indeed, natural. In order to try to get at home the "natural" sound of violins one must know what violins do sound like. I don't have the statistics so what I'll say is an impression gleaned from RAHE, RAO etc. The people who prefer cds to Lps as a 100% rule also believe that they are getting "accurate" rendition of musical instruments through their "system". They also don't believe in "prolonged listening" ("a waste of time") Arni once memorably said. They also believe that the art of recording can be learnt from a book with "measurements" -vide all the monstrosities these "scientists" perpetrate. I doubt also if most of them attend concerts of traditional orchestras and chamber music groups. When we say "music" we don't mean the same thing(s). Ludovic Mirabel |
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"Jenn" wrote in message ... In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message I've yet to hear orchestral strings, for example, particularly upper range violin, sound as right on CD as it can on LP. Obviously, you're looking for an unnatural sound from those violins. Incorrect. Denial of reality noted. No, you are indeed incorrect. The violin sound that I'm looking for is, indeed, natural. Then it can only be more so when done on CD. More accurate is more accurate. CD is more accurate by several orders of magnitude. |
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"Jenn" wrote in message
In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message I've yet to hear orchestral strings, for example, particularly upper range violin, sound as right on CD as it can on LP. Obviously, you're looking for an unnatural sound from those violins. Incorrect. Denial of reality noted. No, you are indeed incorrect. The violin sound that I'm looking for is, indeed, natural. It's completely impossible for a LP to accurately reproduce the natural sound of a violin or many violins. |
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oups.com In order to try to get at home the "natural" sound of violins one must know what violins do sound like. This statement is missing so much relevant info that it is worthless. Contrary to golden ear dogma, all violins do not sound the same. The identical same violin does not sound the same with different strings. The identical same violin with the same strings does not sound the same when played by a different person. No player plays the same every time they play. No violin sounds the same in different places. A violin sounds substantiatlly different depending on where you sit in the room, whether that room is a room with poor acoustics or whether that room is Detroit's Orchestra hall. The same is true of entire orchestras, as I found out when I was a member of a study group that did a comparison of Orchestra Hall and the Detroit Symphony's former location, at the request of the Symphony's Board of Directors. To paraphrase Mirabel's grotesque error into far better truth, let me write: In order to try to get at home the "natural" sound of specific violins one must know what those specific violins sound like when played by specific players, playing a specific piece of music, on a specific occasion, and playing in a specific place. I obtain that knowlege on the average three times a week, and have recordings that match that particular knowlege. AFAIK nobody else who posts on this newssgroup or RAHE can come close. Furthermore much of the time I have the option of listening seated as a member of an audience, or while standing as close to the instrument as a player. |
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"Jenn" wrote in message
In article , "Clyde Slick" wrote: "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Jenn" wrote in message I've yet to hear orchestral strings, for example, particularly upper range violin, sound as right on CD as it can on LP. Obviously, you're looking for an unnatural sound from those violins. yes, the ones that the violins make aren't quite natural. :-) Yes, all violins sound the same. ;-) |
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Harry Lavo wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Jenn" wrote in message I've yet to hear orchestral strings, for example, particularly upper range violin, sound as right on CD as it can on LP. Obviously, you're looking for an unnatural sound from those violins. Absolute BS, Arny. She's right as rain on this. Then record from LP onto a CD, if that's what makes you happy. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: wrote in message oups.com In order to try to get at home the "natural" sound of violins one must know what violins do sound like. This statement is missing so much relevant info that it is worthless. Contrary to golden ear dogma, all violins do not sound the same. The identical same violin does not sound the same with different strings. The identical same violin with the same strings does not sound the same when played by a different person. No player plays the same every time they play. No violin sounds the same in different places. Wow. Violin sound is a slippery eel. How does anyone recognize it? A violin sounds substantiatlly different depending on where you sit in the room, whether that room is a room with poor acoustics or whether that room is Detroit's Orchestra hall. The same is true of entire orchestras, as I found out when I was a member of a study group that did a comparison of Orchestra Hall and the Detroit Symphony's former location, at the request of the Symphony's Board of Directors. I'd guess you still understood an orchestra was playing. To paraphrase Mirabel's grotesque error into far better truth, let me write: In order to try to get at home the "natural" sound of specific violins one must know what those specific violins sound like when played by specific players, playing a specific piece of music, on a specific occasion, and playing in a specific place. I obtain that knowlege on the average three times a week, and have recordings that match that particular knowlege. AFAIK nobody else who posts on this newssgroup or RAHE can come close. Furthermore much of the time I have the option of listening seated as a member of an audience, or while standing as close to the instrument as a player. You're the bestest listener ever! However, a few nits remain. For one, your definition of natural sound is too specific. The question isn't what *a* violin sounds like, it's what *violins* sound like. Hearing perception includes a component of pattern recognition, as well you know, enabling the experienced listener to recognize a violin and to have an educated expectation of what a violin should generally sound like. Another point is the common complaint is that cds lack something in reproducing the sound of massed violins as heard in orchestral recordings. Your best argument would be to point to specific recordings which you feel are successful in preserving string section tone. To claim that no one but you knows what a violin sounds like is a weaker argument. How many times a week must a poster hear string instruments before they achieve your level of recognition? Does this level slip away if you miss a time? Do you mistake violins for other instruments when they play an unfamiliar tune? Do players really let you sidle up to the other side of the fiddle as they play? Stephen |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... No, you are indeed incorrect. The violin sound that I'm looking for is, indeed, natural. It's completely impossible for a LP to accurately reproduce the natural sound of a violin or many violins. More to the point, it can naturally produce the accurate sound. of a violin -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Clyde Slick" wrote: "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Jenn" wrote in message I've yet to hear orchestral strings, for example, particularly upper range violin, sound as right on CD as it can on LP. Obviously, you're looking for an unnatural sound from those violins. yes, the ones that the violins make aren't quite natural. :-) Yes, all violins sound the same. ;-) Only on CDs ;-) |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: wrote in message oups.com In order to try to get at home the "natural" sound of violins one must know what violins do sound like. This statement is missing so much relevant info that it is worthless. Contrary to golden ear dogma, all violins do not sound the same. The identical same violin does not sound the same with different strings. The identical same violin with the same strings does not sound the same when played by a different person. No player plays the same every time they play. No violin sounds the same in different places. A violin sounds substantiatlly different depending on where you sit in the room, whether that room is a room with poor acoustics or whether that room is Detroit's Orchestra hall. The same is true of entire orchestras, as I found out when I was a member of a study group that did a comparison of Orchestra Hall and the Detroit Symphony's former location, at the request of the Symphony's Board of Directors. To paraphrase Mirabel's grotesque error into far better truth, let me write: In order to try to get at home the "natural" sound of specific violins one must know what those specific violins sound like when played by specific players, playing a specific piece of music, on a specific occasion, and playing in a specific place. While what you write here is obvious and true, you leave out one important consideration. That is, there are common traits to the sound of, in this case, all violins in all performance spaces, heard from each of the seats. As an example, you could listen to a person speaking in a variety of rooms, etc. and still know that it is THAT person speaking. In my experience, this is what is missing from the upper frequency string sound on CDs; it is as though it is a different "voice". I obtain that knowlege on the average three times a week, and have recordings that match that particular knowlege. AFAIK nobody else who posts on this newssgroup or RAHE can come close. Can come close to what; your level of experience with live acoustic music? I would beg to differ. Furthermore much of the time I have the option of listening seated as a member of an audience, or while standing as close to the instrument as a player. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message I've yet to hear orchestral strings, for example, particularly upper range violin, sound as right on CD as it can on LP. Obviously, you're looking for an unnatural sound from those violins. Incorrect. Denial of reality noted. No, you are indeed incorrect. The violin sound that I'm looking for is, indeed, natural. It's completely impossible for a LP to accurately reproduce the natural sound of a violin or many violins. I quite agree. But the best LPs do a better job of it than do CDs. |
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"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote in message ... Clyde Slick said: BTW, when am I going to realize how incredibly stupid I am? Never. You are too stupid to do that. Note how Turdborg rushes to defend poor Mikey when the Normals start laughing too hard at him. You're laughing at the people whose goal is to maintain a love and respect for the vinyl record, I just gave a link to a place that reveres them and am being attacked for posting their words. http://www.urpressing.com/about.html Mission Statement United is committed to the promotion and preservation of the unique sound qualities of vinyl recordings. ABOUT UNITED RECORD PRESSING United is a history book that is as much about our long-term dedicated professionals as it is about the artists that have depended upon UnitedIt is a story about three gentlemen who have given their lives to the music industry. Joe Talbot, artist promoter and major label advisor of sounds to come. John Dunn, a leader in the record pressing industry who has recently passed away, has provided the business philosophy that is United's foundation.Ozell Simpkins and his son Michael have offered professional lacquer mastering, plating, printing perfection and pressing services that have been the best that can be offered. It is because of their collective wisdom and experience that United is documenting in a soon-to-be released printed format, United's rich history and great future. Does thin sound like it's from people who are out to discredit the LP or to denigrate those who enjoy it? |
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"Jenn" wrote in message ... In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: wrote in message oups.com In order to try to get at home the "natural" sound of violins one must know what violins do sound like. This statement is missing so much relevant info that it is worthless. Contrary to golden ear dogma, all violins do not sound the same. The identical same violin does not sound the same with different strings. The identical same violin with the same strings does not sound the same when played by a different person. No player plays the same every time they play. No violin sounds the same in different places. A violin sounds substantiatlly different depending on where you sit in the room, whether that room is a room with poor acoustics or whether that room is Detroit's Orchestra hall. The same is true of entire orchestras, as I found out when I was a member of a study group that did a comparison of Orchestra Hall and the Detroit Symphony's former location, at the request of the Symphony's Board of Directors. To paraphrase Mirabel's grotesque error into far better truth, let me write: In order to try to get at home the "natural" sound of specific violins one must know what those specific violins sound like when played by specific players, playing a specific piece of music, on a specific occasion, and playing in a specific place. While what you write here is obvious and true, you leave out one important consideration. That is, there are common traits to the sound of, in this case, all violins in all performance spaces, heard from each of the seats. As an example, you could listen to a person speaking in a variety of rooms, etc. and still know that it is THAT person speaking. In my experience, this is what is missing from the upper frequency string sound on CDs; it is as though it is a different "voice". I obtain that knowlege on the average three times a week, and have recordings that match that particular knowlege. AFAIK nobody else who posts on this newssgroup or RAHE can come close. Can come close to what; your level of experience with live acoustic music? I would beg to differ. Be that as it may, it is still impossible for LPs to be as accurate at playing back the sound of a violin. Here's another lesson on how limited LP's a http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~jcgl/Sc...t12/page2.html It would be possible to go on considering various other factors which alter the detailed performance of Long Playing records. For example, any serious comparison of 'LP versus CD' would have to take into account the relatively high levels of signal distortion which commercial cartridges produce when recovering signals louder than the 0 dB level. Typically, signals of +10 dB or above are accompanied by harmonic distortion levels of 10% or more - not a very high fidelity performance! Even at the 0 dB level, many cartridges produce around 1% (or more!) harmonic distortion. The frequency response of signals recorded on LP are also modified - the high frequency level boosted and the low frequency level reduced - to obtain better S/N and distortion performance. This means that an LP replay system must include a De-Emphasis network to Correct the recovered signal's frequency response. Here, however, we are only interested in considering those physical factors which make the LP less than an ideally 'analog' way to communicate information. These extra factors affect the performance of an LP but they don't change the basic nature of the system. |
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"dizzy" wrote in message ... Harry Lavo wrote: "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Jenn" wrote in message I've yet to hear orchestral strings, for example, particularly upper range violin, sound as right on CD as it can on LP. Obviously, you're looking for an unnatural sound from those violins. Absolute BS, Arny. She's right as rain on this. Then record from LP onto a CD, if that's what makes you happy. What? And find out that you get an EXACT COPY of the LP? Heresy! That's the clincher for the whole LP vs. CD debate. A CD plays back exactly what was fed to it, and the proof of that is when LP's are copied to CD, they sound just as they would when played back through the TT they were played on. EXACTLY LIKE the turntable they were played. |
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wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message ... In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: wrote in message oups.com In order to try to get at home the "natural" sound of violins one must know what violins do sound like. This statement is missing so much relevant info that it is worthless. Contrary to golden ear dogma, all violins do not sound the same. The identical same violin does not sound the same with different strings. The identical same violin with the same strings does not sound the same when played by a different person. No player plays the same every time they play. No violin sounds the same in different places. A violin sounds substantiatlly different depending on where you sit in the room, whether that room is a room with poor acoustics or whether that room is Detroit's Orchestra hall. The same is true of entire orchestras, as I found out when I was a member of a study group that did a comparison of Orchestra Hall and the Detroit Symphony's former location, at the request of the Symphony's Board of Directors. To paraphrase Mirabel's grotesque error into far better truth, let me write: In order to try to get at home the "natural" sound of specific violins one must know what those specific violins sound like when played by specific players, playing a specific piece of music, on a specific occasion, and playing in a specific place. While what you write here is obvious and true, you leave out one important consideration. That is, there are common traits to the sound of, in this case, all violins in all performance spaces, heard from each of the seats. As an example, you could listen to a person speaking in a variety of rooms, etc. and still know that it is THAT person speaking. In my experience, this is what is missing from the upper frequency string sound on CDs; it is as though it is a different "voice". I obtain that knowlege on the average three times a week, and have recordings that match that particular knowlege. AFAIK nobody else who posts on this newssgroup or RAHE can come close. Can come close to what; your level of experience with live acoustic music? I would beg to differ. Be that as it may, it is still impossible for LPs to be as accurate at playing back the sound of a violin. Here's another lesson on how limited LP's a http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~jcgl/Sc...t12/page2.html It would be possible to go on considering various other factors which alter the detailed performance of Long Playing records. For example, any serious comparison of 'LP versus CD' would have to take into account the relatively high levels of signal distortion which commercial cartridges produce when recovering signals louder than the 0 dB level. Typically, signals of +10 dB or above are accompanied by harmonic distortion levels of 10% or more - not a very high fidelity performance! Even at the 0 dB level, many cartridges produce around 1% (or more!) harmonic distortion. The frequency response of signals recorded on LP are also modified - the high frequency level boosted and the low frequency level reduced - to obtain better S/N and distortion performance. This means that an LP replay system must include a De-Emphasis network to Correct the recovered signal's frequency response. Here, however, we are only interested in considering those physical factors which make the LP less than an ideally 'analog' way to communicate information. These extra factors affect the performance of an LP but they don't change the basic nature of the system. And yet, to my ears, the best LPs surpass CDs in their reproduction of acoustic music. |
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wrote: "dizzy" wrote in message ... Harry Lavo wrote: "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Jenn" wrote in message I've yet to hear orchestral strings, for example, particularly upper range violin, sound as right on CD as it can on LP. Obviously, you're looking for an unnatural sound from those violins. Absolute BS, Arny. She's right as rain on this. Then record from LP onto a CD, if that's what makes you happy. What? And find out that you get an EXACT COPY of the LP? Heresy! That's the clincher for the whole LP vs. CD debate. A CD plays back exactly what was fed to it, and the proof of that is when LP's are copied to CD, they sound just as they would when played back through the TT they were played on. EXACTLY LIKE the turntable they were played. According to whom? |
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And yet, to my ears, the best LPs surpass CDs in their reproduction of acoustic music. An interesting experiment would then be to record a good sounding LP onto CD and report back whether you hear differences, or that you like what you hear, or not. I'd be very interested in the opinion of a professional musician such as yourself on this. -- - Never argue with idiots, they drag you down their level and beat you with experience. - |
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And yet, to my ears, the best LPs surpass CDs in their reproduction of acoustic music. How do you avoid the involvement of your brain in the listening process, Jenn? |
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That's the clincher for the whole LP vs. CD debate. A CD plays back exactly what was fed to it, and the proof of that is when LP's are copied to CD, they sound just as they would when played back through the TT they were played on. EXACTLY LIKE the turntable they were played. According to whom? Anybody with a brain. |
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"Sander deWaal" wrote in message ... Jenn said: And yet, to my ears, the best LPs surpass CDs in their reproduction of acoustic music. An interesting experiment would then be to record a good sounding LP onto CD and report back whether you hear differences, or that you like what you hear, or not. I'd be very interested in the opinion of a professional musician such as yourself on this. Me too . ScottW |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message That's the clincher for the whole LP vs. CD debate. A CD plays back exactly what was fed to it, and the proof of that is when LP's are copied to CD, they sound just as they would when played back through the TT they were played on. EXACTLY LIKE the turntable they were played. According to whom? Anybody with a brain. I see. Have you done a comparison? When did you do the comparison? |
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