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Pioneer DEH-P940MP Is this a good deck!?!?!?!
I have been looking for a deck for quite a while now and this deck seems to
be pretty nice. I like the display, I like that it isn't all that busy looking, and I have always had Pioneer. The other deck that I am looking at is the Alpine CDA 9815. Can I get some opinions between the two decks. Any help would be appreciated. |
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Pioneer DEH-P940MP Is this a good deck!?!?!?!
I looked at the same two decks about 2 months ago when I was shopping. The
Pioneer is a good unit, reliable and well made, but retail for it is over $700 and the only difference between it and the far less expensive DEH-P9400MP (the 940's non-Premier brother) are that the 940 has higher-voltage pre-amp outputs. IMHO, the Alpine is a superior deck from an "audiophile" standpoint, but I did find the Pioneer *far* easier to navigate. Adjusting the Alpine deck was a frustrating ordeal, and that's a big part of why I passed it up. I ended up going with Eclipe's new CD8443, and I feel that it's superior to either the Alpine or the Pioneer in many ways. I know at least 2 people on the board have bought the deck since I got mine, and are happy, as far as I know. Just for the hell of it, look at Blaupunkt's San Francisco CD72 (it's their top of the line). Retail is $550 and it's very easy to use, and a damn good deck. I'm not sure it's quite on par with my Eclipse, but I'd take it over the Alpine or Pioneer. |
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Pioneer DEH-P940MP Is this a good deck!?!?!?!
"Steve Grauman" wrote in message ... I looked at the same two decks about 2 months ago when I was shopping. The Pioneer is a good unit, reliable and well made, but retail for it is over $700 and the only difference between it and the far less expensive DEH-P9400MP I wouldn't call $30 far less expensive. (the 940's non-Premier brother) are that the 940 has higher-voltage pre-amp outputs. IMHO, the Alpine is a superior deck from an "audiophile" standpoint, Why do you say that? What about it makes it a more audiophile HU? From an audiophile standpoint they both suck ass since they have WAY too much processing in them coloring the sound. but I did find the Pioneer *far* easier to navigate. Adjusting the Alpine deck was a frustrating ordeal, and that's a big part of why I passed it up. The Pioneer is easier to use which is why I have two of them, but I'm going back to Alpine when I sell my Pioneers. I ended up going with Eclipe's new CD8443, and I feel that it's superior to either the Alpine or the Pioneer in many ways. I know at least 2 people on the board have bought the deck since I got mine, and are happy, as far as I know. Eclipse always did make great HUs. If they had the multimedia capability of Alpine I may go that way. Just for the hell of it, look at Blaupunkt's San Francisco CD72 (it's their top of the line). Retail is $550 and it's very easy to use, and a damn good deck. I'm not sure it's quite on par with my Eclipse, but I'd take it over the Alpine or Pioneer. The Blaupunkt is a great HU as well and it's easily on par with the best available. But being a Blaupunkt it will have it's own function quirks and there doesn't seem to be too many Blaupunkt dealers. Paul Vina |
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Pioneer DEH-P940MP Is this a good deck!?!?!?!
I wouldn't call $30 far less expensive.
My local dealer were selling the 9400 for just over $500 and the 940 for close to $800. Why do you say that? What about it makes it a more audiophile HU? Just a b.s. personal opinion really. But the Eclipse deck seemed way more friendly to people who need to make adjustmets. From an audiophile standpoint they both suck ass since they have WAY too much processing in them coloring the sound. I can turn off all the artifical processing in my deck. What deck these days doesn't try to change the sound in some way? |
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Pioneer DEH-P940MP Is this a good deck!?!?!?!
My local dealer were selling the 9400 for just over $500 and the 940 for close to $800. Weird, in the Pioneer price book there is only a $30 or $40 difference between every Premier unit and it's regular line twin. Methinks he's hosing people. Why do you say that? What about it makes it a more audiophile HU? Just a b.s. personal opinion really. But the Eclipse deck seemed way more friendly to people who need to make adjustmets. That doesn't make it more audiophile, just more user friendly. From an audiophile standpoint they both suck ass since they have WAY too much processing in them coloring the sound. I can turn off all the artifical processing in my deck. What deck these days doesn't try to change the sound in some way? Most HU's can have the processing bypassed or left flat. It CAN be a plus, but most of it is just added garbage to please people that won't spend the money on a real processor and want to impress their buddies. Paul Vina |
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Pioneer DEH-P940MP Is this a good deck!?!?!?!
Heres something to consider... Make sure you can read the display in
the sunlight. Sounds silly but my pioneer DEHP5200 is invisible in sunlight. I have to shade it with my hand to cover the glare off the shiny face plate. They all look so pretty in the display board @ CC/BB/GG but in an outdoor lighting condition its terrible. I guess I cant complain since I got the head for free. :~) Never had this problem with my sony CDX-XXXX heads of 14 years ago Garrett Josh Tayler wrote: I have been looking for a deck for quite a while now and this deck seems to be pretty nice. I like the display, I like that it isn't all that busy looking, and I have always had Pioneer. The other deck that I am looking at is the Alpine CDA 9815. Can I get some opinions between the two decks. Any help would be appreciated. |
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Pioneer DEH-P940MP Is this a good deck!?!?!?!
Weird, in the Pioneer price book there is only a $30 or $40 difference
between every Premier unit and it's regular line twin. Methinks he's hosing people. 3 different dealers quoted me almost the same price. You may want to call a dealer in your area and see what they sell for. Most HU's can have the processing bypassed or left flat The Eclipse I use has a full Defeat that bypasses any processing. It CAN be a plus, but most of it is just added garbage to please people that won't spend the money on a real processor and want to impress their buddies. I found the PRO mode on my unit to be great. I'm still using my stock speakers right now, and being able to make fine adjustments helped work out some of the problems associated with the bad speakers. When I get better components, the processing will get turned off. Eclipse makes a 30-band 1/3 Octave "competition" EQ, but I'm not sure in what application it would be/could be desireable. |
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thanks for the responses I have made up my mind
Well I have thought about all of these things and just so you know I am getting the DEH-P940mp for $470. I really looked at the Eclipse 8443 and that is what I would probably get if I didn't have to add on the commander in order to play MP3's. So that brings it down to the pioneer and the Alpine, I think the Alpine is a little to confusing looking on the exterior, I want to get something a little cleaner looking. As far as the display goes on the pioneer I am a little concerned about it in the sunlight but I guess that I will have to wait and see how it does (that is the big reason I liked the Eclipse). I will probably go with the Pioneer and for the speakers I am getting a set of Infinity INF6000CS for the front & INF62.5I in the rear, I will look at getting a set of subs in the near future. I am getting the whole setup speakers and deck for about $700. what do you think of the speakers I have chosen. I was going to go with the Kappa series but decided to go with the Reference series instead. Thanks, "Steve Grauman" wrote in message ... Weird, in the Pioneer price book there is only a $30 or $40 difference between every Premier unit and it's regular line twin. Methinks he's hosing people. 3 different dealers quoted me almost the same price. You may want to call a dealer in your area and see what they sell for. Most HU's can have the processing bypassed or left flat The Eclipse I use has a full Defeat that bypasses any processing. It CAN be a plus, but most of it is just added garbage to please people that won't spend the money on a real processor and want to impress their buddies. I found the PRO mode on my unit to be great. I'm still using my stock speakers right now, and being able to make fine adjustments helped work out some of the problems associated with the bad speakers. When I get better components, the processing will get turned off. Eclipse makes a 30-band 1/3 Octave "competition" EQ, but I'm not sure in what application it would be/could be desireable. |
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Pioneer DEH-P940MP Is this a good deck!?!?!?!
3 different dealers quoted me almost the same price. You may want to call
a dealer in your area and see what they sell for. I worked for a dealer. I've seen the pricebook with my own eyes. I found the PRO mode on my unit to be great. I'm still using my stock speakers right now, and being able to make fine adjustments helped work out some of the problems associated with the bad speakers. When I get better components, the processing will get turned off. Eclipse makes a 30-band 1/3 Octave "competition" EQ, but I'm not sure in what application it would be/could be desireable. A 30 band eq will give you more control over the system than you can imagine. If you or someone you know can really tune well, the 30 band is the ultimate. if you like the eq in your HU don't automatically turn it off when you get new speakers. Let them (and your ears) break in for about a month and then do some more tuning, there is always room for improvement. Paul Vina |
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Pioneer DEH-P940MP Is this a good deck!?!?!?!
The OEL display Pioneers are awesome in the sunlight, he shouldn't have any
problems. Paul Vina "sanitarium" wrote in message ... Heres something to consider... Make sure you can read the display in the sunlight. Sounds silly but my pioneer DEHP5200 is invisible in sunlight. I have to shade it with my hand to cover the glare off the shiny face plate. They all look so pretty in the display board @ CC/BB/GG but in an outdoor lighting condition its terrible. I guess I cant complain since I got the head for free. :~) Never had this problem with my sony CDX-XXXX heads of 14 years ago Garrett Josh Tayler wrote: I have been looking for a deck for quite a while now and this deck seems to be pretty nice. I like the display, I like that it isn't all that busy looking, and I have always had Pioneer. The other deck that I am looking at is the Alpine CDA 9815. Can I get some opinions between the two decks. Any help would be appreciated. |
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Pioneer DEH-P940MP Is this a good deck!?!?!?!
Very good... I'll remember that when I replace mine.
thx!! Garrett Paul Vina wrote: The OEL display Pioneers are awesome in the sunlight, he shouldn't have any problems. Paul Vina "sanitarium" wrote in message ... Heres something to consider... Make sure you can read the display in the sunlight. Sounds silly but my pioneer DEHP5200 is invisible in sunlight. I have to shade it with my hand to cover the glare off the shiny face plate. They all look so pretty in the display board @ CC/BB/GG but in an outdoor lighting condition its terrible. I guess I cant complain since I got the head for free. :~) Never had this problem with my sony CDX-XXXX heads of 14 years ago Garrett Josh Tayler wrote: I have been looking for a deck for quite a while now and this deck seems to be pretty nice. I like the display, I like that it isn't all that busy looking, and I have always had Pioneer. The other deck that I am looking at is the Alpine CDA 9815. Can I get some opinions between the two decks. Any help would be appreciated. |
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Pioneer DEH-P940MP Is this a good deck!?!?!?!
I worked for a dealer. I've seen the pricebook with my own eyes.
3 dealers down here told me list price on the 940 was close to $800, and were asking over $700. Oddly, all 3 dealers offered to give me the 9400 variant for between $500 and $550. All three were Pioneer "certified" dealers, all are reputable stores. I'm not arguing that you don't know what list is for both units, just that you seem to be out of touch with what those units are actually selling for. |
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Pioneer DEH-P940MP Is this a good deck!?!?!?!
Steve Grauman wrote: *I looked at the same two decks about 2 months ago when I was shopping. The Pioneer is a good unit, reliable and well made, but retail for it is over $700 and the only difference between it and the far less expensive DEH-P9400MP (the 940's non-Premier brother) are that the 940 has higher-voltage pre-amp outputs. IMHO, the Alpine is a superior deck from an "audiophile" standpoint, but I did find the Pioneer *far* easier to navigate. Adjusting the Alpine deck was a frustrating ordeal, and that's a big part of why I passed it up. I ended up going with Eclipe's new CD8443, and I feel that it's superior to either the Alpine or the Pioneer in many ways. I know at least 2 people on the board have bought the deck since I got mine, and are happy, as far as I know. Just for the hell of it, look at Blaupunkt's San Francisco CD72 (it's their top of the line). Retail is $550 and it's very easy to use, and a damn good deck. I'm not sure it's quite on par with my Eclipse, but I'd take it over the Alpine or Pioneer. * I was comparing the 940 and the 8443 myself. I noticed the 8443 doesn't play mp3 if I read all the info correct. You have to get the Commander Advance unit, or is this incorrect? Because of that I was leaning to the 940. In web searchs I'vbe seen as low as $519.00.......... -- GeeRace ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Posted via RealCarAudio.com - The checkmate of the caraudio community. http://www.RealCarAudio.com GeeRace's Profile: http://www.realcaraudio.com/forums/m...fo&userid=1581 View this thread: http://www.realcaraudio.com/forums/s...?threadid=9749 |
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Pioneer DEH-P940MP Is this a good deck!?!?!?!
Thanks for the info.... I take it there's no big deal with the 13 band EQ on the 940 either. LOL Do you have Eclipse speakers as well? I listened to their 5 1/4 component and 6x9 three-ways. Sounded good in the show room. No surprise there..... It's just hard to find neutral advice. Everyone trying to sell you the stuff they have. Thanks again -- GeeRace ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Posted via RealCarAudio.com - The checkmate of the caraudio community. http://www.RealCarAudio.com GeeRace's Profile: http://www.realcaraudio.com/forums/m...fo&userid=1581 View this thread: http://www.realcaraudio.com/forums/s...?threadid=9749 |
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Pioneer DEH-P940MP Is this a good deck!?!?!?!
I take it there's no big deal with the 13 band
EQ on the 940 either. That depends. The EQ(s) in my Eclipse deck have proven very useful. It's got a "standard" mode with simple adjustments, and a "PRO" mode with more in depth adjustment avaliable. How important that EQ function is varies from person to person. In addition, the 9400 and 940 *both* have the 13-band EQ. They just advertise it more on the 940. The *only* differences I can tell between the two is that the Premier has 6 volt pre-amp outputs, compared to the 9400s 4 volt outputs, and the Premier has a 2 year warranty compared to the 9400s 1 year. Do you have Eclipse speakers as well? No, but I've heard most of them. I listened to their 5 1/4 component and 6x9 three-ways. Sounded good in the show room. What you hear on the demo wall and what you'll hear in your car aren't even in the same realm with each other. The demo wall has the speakers running on whatever amp and deck the salesperson has picked out, not neccesarily the amp and deck you're looking at or already own. Beyond that, the EQ settings in those demo decks are rarely ever set properly. The demo boards are usually made of wood, and allow the magnets to hang "open air" out the backside. Your doors are probably made of some kind of plastic, kickpanels are usually done in fiberglass, and the speakers will probably have a sealed area behind them when installed in your car, not be hanging open air. Your personal EQ settings make a difference, and what positions the spakers are mounted in your car makes a difference. You probably won't be mounting them the same way they were displayed on the demo board. But yes, Eclipse speakers are very nice. They're very detailed and very clean, especially thanks to the silk dome tweeters and "pentacone" woofers they use. They seem to come alive the most when running of of a really smooth amp like a U.S. Amp. PG Titanium series work well with them too. Eclipse's amps seem to brighten the sound a bit. |
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