Hello,
I need two conductor shielded cable for wiring inside my console and
to patchbays. There seems to be a lot out there to choose from. I'm
just afraid I'd pick the one where the insulation melts away while
soldering for two seconds, leaving the signal wire shorted to the
shield. Bad wire is so frustrating.

Belden and West Penn look like they have some quality products with a
decent price. Any favorite models by these two? Any suggestions of
other makes/ models?

Thanks,
Peter

Belden and West Penn look like they have some quality products with a
decent price. Any favorite models by these two? Any suggestions of
other makes/ models?

Belden 8451 and the west penn equivalent are nearly identical in how they are
to work with. I've used both and would use either one again. Both are cheap
(the west penn is cheaper) and will do the job.


Joe Egan
EMP
Colchester, VT
www.eganmedia.com

Some folks prefer the Belden 9451 but I use both and recommend them.
Cya

EganMedia wrote:
Belden and West Penn look like they have some quality products with a
decent price. Any favorite models by these two? Any suggestions of
other makes/ models?


Belden 8451 and the west penn equivalent are nearly identical in how they are
to work with. I've used both and would use either one again. Both are cheap
(the west penn is cheaper) and will do the job.


Joe Egan
EMP
Colchester, VT
www.eganmedia.com

Not so Joe.

The West Pen is WAY lower quality and very variable. We dropped the line YEARS ago
due to that after being one of their largest dealers.

See my previous reply: Gepco blows away the Belden and sell for a few cents more
than West Penn

Techmeister

In article ,
(EganMedia) wrote:

Belden and West Penn look like they have some quality products with a
decent price. Any favorite models by these two? Any suggestions of
other makes/ models?

Belden 8451 and the west penn equivalent are nearly identical in how they are
to work with. I've used both and would use either one again. Both are cheap
(the west penn is cheaper) and will do the job.


Joe Egan
EMP
Colchester, VT
www.eganmedia.com

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David 'db' Butler, Consultant
Acoustics by db
"...all the rest are just brokers"
now on the web at http://www.db-engineering.com
Boston, Mass
Phone 617 969-0585 Fax 617 964-1590

In article writes:

I need two conductor shielded cable for wiring inside my console and
to patchbays.

Mogami 2944. It's thin, easy to solder, and it's even called "console
cable."

just afraid I'd pick the one where the insulation melts away while
soldering for two seconds, leaving the signal wire shorted to the
shield.

Any PVC insulation will melt if you heat it too much, and you probably
don't want to pay for Teflon. But that Mogami stuff takes solder so
easily that melted insulation is never a problem. And there's a drain
wire, so you don't have to twist the shield into a third lead that's
fatter than the others.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers - )

One of those rare time i will disagree with you Mike.

I love the sound of the Mogami (and I sell both, as well as canare) but i HATE
working with it. the cable is too soft, you HAVE to heatshrink it on most critical
installs or anything that moves.. It strips badly and melts easily. In large
multipins it is a total pain in the but.

Gepco makes an 8451 class wire (see prior answer) at a West Penn price AND a
high-res version, ALMOST as good as Mogami but cheaper and way easier to use.

NOW, all that said: when I run MIC LINES or LONG TIE LINES. I always suggest Mogami
or Canare, as they are noticeably better sounding on lower levels and longer runs.

Techmeister

aka David Butler

In article znr1059665844k@trad, (Mike Rivers) wrote:

In article
writes:

I need two conductor shielded cable for wiring inside my console and
to patchbays.

Mogami 2944. It's thin, easy to solder, and it's even called "console
cable."

just afraid I'd pick the one where the insulation melts away while
soldering for two seconds, leaving the signal wire shorted to the
shield.

Any PVC insulation will melt if you heat it too much, and you probably
don't want to pay for Teflon. But that Mogami stuff takes solder so
easily that melted insulation is never a problem. And there's a drain
wire, so you don't have to twist the shield into a third lead that's
fatter than the others.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers - )

--
David 'db' Butler, Consultant
Acoustics by db
"...all the rest are just brokers"
now on the web at http://www.db-engineering.com
Boston, Mass
Phone 617 969-0585 Fax 617 964-1590

In article ,
Techmeister wrote:
I love the sound of the Mogami (and I sell both, as well as canare)
but i HATE working with it. the cable is too soft, you HAVE to
heatshrink it on most critical installs or anything that moves.. It
strips badly and melts easily. In large multipins it is a total pain
in the but.

I disagree. Their crosslinked polyethylene melts at a _lot_ higher
temperature than the polypropylene in 8451. I find it a lot easier to
work with, as long as you get a nice stripper like the Clauss No-Nik
stripper. The little yellow handled stamped metal stripper jobbies
won't work, and a razor blade isn't much better either.

I have a bunch of 2799 miniature star quad that works well, but the 4
conductor thing is admittedly a pain in the rear. They make two
conductor versions as well that are otherwise similar.


Best,

Monte McGuire

In article writes:

I love the sound of the Mogami (and I sell both, as well as canare) but i HATE
working with it. the cable is too soft, you HAVE to heatshrink it on most
critical
installs or anything that moves.. It strips badly and melts easily. In large
multipins it is a total pain in the but.

The Mogami that I recommended for console wiring is smaller than
Belden 8451. I think the conductors are #26 stranded. One kerchunk
with my Paladin wire stripper removes the jacket and leaves the spiral
wound shield intact. Unwind the shield, pull the drain wire out of the
way and another kerchunk with the stripper strips both inner
conductors.

The conductors are oxygen free copper and they tin beautifully, with
minimal insulation shrinkage. Plus it's small and flexible enough to
fit easily into any multipin connector that you can solder. I'm not
sure about crimp pins - it may be too small for the standard pins and
dies.

I have no idea whether it sounds any better than other types of wire.
I got it for its size and flexibility, and since I'm running line
level signals through it, I don't worry too much about a few flyspecks
of better sonic performance.

You may have had a bad experience with other Mogami types, but this
stuff is the bees knees when you need to run a bunch of wires and
don't want a huge bundle.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers - )

GEPCO all the way, better sound than Belden at slightly more than West Penn prices.
Zero melt back on insulation, easy strip: a technician's dream.

Call me: I will cut anyone who mentions this post a nice deal on ANY Gepco, as well
as all Mogami, Neutrik or Switchcraft items.

db

In article ,
(Peter B.) wrote:

Hello,
I need two conductor shielded cable for wiring inside my console and
to patchbays. There seems to be a lot out there to choose from. I'm
just afraid I'd pick the one where the insulation melts away while
soldering for two seconds, leaving the signal wire shorted to the
shield. Bad wire is so frustrating.

Belden and West Penn look like they have some quality products with a
decent price. Any favorite models by these two? Any suggestions of
other makes/ models?

Thanks,
Peter

--
David 'db' Butler, Consultant
Acoustics by db
"...all the rest are just brokers"
now on the web at http://www.db-engineering.com
Boston, Mass
Phone 617 969-0585 Fax 617 964-1590