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Let me introduce myself (tube related).
I am a guitar/bass player.
I am an old guy and I am retired but still playing in bands near the Chicago area. I have had many amps, mostly tube amps but my main amp these days is a 1989 (year) JCM Marshall half stack. I have been able to replace power and preamp tubes and set the bias for decades but I never knew that one tube could sound different from another tube till recently. A few years ago a friend and I dug in to replacing the tubes and caps in my Marshall. We found a guy near Rockford who would test tubes for us and sell us almost any tubes I wanted. I had good luck with Svetlana 12ax7's but I wanted to try something different. Of course Mullard NOS came to mind. My friend had some that he took out of an old Earth amp and I gave them a try. I have to say that I was not impressed. They sounded OK but they were very noisy. The Tube Man we met allowed me to try any tubes I wanted and if I didn't like them, bring them back and try some more. I ended up with two EI gold 12ax7's and one RCA NOS. Only because the EI's were very quiet and still had the sound I wanted. I read that EI's don't hold up well but after 3 years they are still sounding good, and quiet. As for power tubes I went with 2 Mullard EL34 reissues. Later I got a good deal on an Epiphone Pacemaker amp. Class A 2/EL84's. Replaced the caps, tubes and speaker. Nice quiet amp now. Loud enough to gig with plus it weighs 25 pounds. My Tube Man friend died recently and there is nobody in my area who test and sells tubes. That got me to thinking....Maybe I can buy a tube tester and start my own little business. So I got a B&K 500 mutual conductance tube tester off ebay that has been restored and calibrated. Next I got a box of 80 tubes untested off ebay for $9.14....in transit now. So that's where I am. I know very little about tubes but I'm willing to learn. I have been lurking here for a week or so and after reading some posts here I realize how little I know. I have been in the newsgroups since the mid 90's so I am not new to the groups. I was a construction union electrician in my day job so I understand electricity and ohms law to some degree. My name is Patrick Tucker. I live in a small rural town about 100 miles west of Chicago. But I was born in Chicago and grew up in Oak Park. Pt |
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Let me introduce myself (tube related).
"Pt" I am a guitar/bass player. I am an old guy and I am retired but still playing in bands near the Chicago area. I have had many amps, mostly tube amps but my main amp these days is a 1989 (year) JCM Marshall half stack. I have been able to replace power and preamp tubes and set the bias for decades but I never knew that one tube could sound different from another tube till recently. A few years ago a friend and I dug in to replacing the tubes and caps in my Marshall. We found a guy near Rockford who would test tubes for us and sell us almost any tubes I wanted. I had good luck with Svetlana 12ax7's but I wanted to try something different. Of course Mullard NOS came to mind. My friend had some that he took out of an old Earth amp and I gave them a try. I have to say that I was not impressed. They sounded OK but they were very noisy. The Tube Man we met allowed me to try any tubes I wanted and if I didn't like them, bring them back and try some more. I ended up with two EI gold 12ax7's and one RCA NOS. Only because the EI's were very quiet and still had the sound I wanted. I read that EI's don't hold up well but after 3 years they are still sounding good, and quiet. As for power tubes I went with 2 Mullard EL34 reissues. Later I got a good deal on an Epiphone Pacemaker amp. Class A 2/EL84's. Replaced the caps, tubes and speaker. Nice quiet amp now. Loud enough to gig with plus it weighs 25 pounds. My Tube Man friend died recently and there is nobody in my area who test and sells tubes. That got me to thinking....Maybe I can buy a tube tester and start my own little business. So I got a B&K 500 mutual conductance tube tester off ebay that has been restored and calibrated. Next I got a box of 80 tubes untested off ebay for $9.14....in transit now. So that's where I am. I know very little about tubes but I'm willing to learn. I have been lurking here for a week or so and after reading some posts here I realize how little I know. I have been in the newsgroups since the mid 90's so I am not new to the groups. I was a construction union electrician in my day job so I understand electricity and ohms law to some degree. My name is Patrick Tucker. I live in a small rural town about 100 miles west of Chicago. But I was born in Chicago and grew up in Oak Park. Pt ** Pat - lemme tell ya, that is one fantastic post. You come across as a modest, very genuine and rather cool dude. All I can say is this - take it one step at a time, ask specific questions here when you need to and be prepared to see a few conflicting answers arrive. Cos there ain't NOTHING simple about tubes. Sure hope you enjoy a STEEP learning curve !! .... Phil |
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Let me introduce myself (tube related).
On Apr 27, 9:58*am, "Phil Allison" wrote:
"Pt" I am a guitar/bass player. I am an old guy and I am retired but still playing in bands near the Chicago area. I have had many amps, mostly tube amps but my main amp these days is a 1989 (year) JCM *Marshall half stack. I have been able to replace power and preamp tubes and set the bias for decades but I never knew that one tube could sound different from another tube till recently. A few years ago a friend and I dug in to replacing the tubes and caps in my Marshall. We found a guy near Rockford who would test tubes for us and sell us almost any tubes I wanted. I had good luck with Svetlana 12ax7's but I wanted to try something different. Of course Mullard NOS came to mind. My friend had some that he took out of an old Earth amp and I gave them a try. I have to say that I was not impressed. They sounded OK but they were very noisy. The Tube Man we met allowed me to try any tubes I wanted and if I didn't like them, bring them back and try some more. I ended up with two EI gold 12ax7's and one RCA NOS. Only because the EI's were very quiet and still had the sound I wanted. I read that EI's don't hold up well but after 3 years they are still sounding good, and quiet. As for power tubes I went with 2 Mullard EL34 reissues. Later I got a good deal on an Epiphone Pacemaker amp. Class A 2/EL84's. Replaced the caps, tubes and speaker. Nice quiet amp now. Loud enough to gig with plus it weighs 25 pounds. My Tube Man friend died recently and there is nobody in my area who test and sells tubes. That got me to thinking....Maybe I can buy a tube tester and start my own little business. So I got a B&K 500 mutual conductance tube tester off ebay that has been restored and calibrated. Next I got a box of 80 tubes untested off ebay for $9.14....in transit now. So that's where I am. I know very little about tubes but I'm willing to learn. I have been lurking here for a week or so and after reading some posts here I realize how little I know. I have been in the newsgroups since the mid 90's so I am not new to the groups. I was a construction union electrician in my day job so I understand electricity and ohms law to some degree. My name is Patrick Tucker. I live in a small rural town about 100 miles west of Chicago. But I was born in Chicago and grew up in Oak Park. Pt ** Pat *- *lemme tell ya, that is one fantastic post. You come across as a modest, very genuine and rather cool dude. All I can say is this * - * take it one step at a time, ask specific questions here when you need to and be prepared to see a few conflicting answers arrive. Cos there ain't *NOTHING *simple about tubes. Sure hope you enjoy a STEEP learning curve !! ... *Phil- Thanks Phil. I remember you from AGA a few years ago before it turned into a political nightmare. Pt |
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I have been in the newsgroups since the mid 90's so I am not new to
the groups. I was a construction union electrician in my day job so I understand electricity and ohms law to some degree. My name is Patrick Tucker. I live in a small rural town about 100 miles west of Chicago. But I was born in Chicago and grew up in Oak Park. Pt[/quote] For a good start you should consider investing in a few books covering basic electronics. Here are some suggestions- Old Time Radios by Joseph J Carr. There is a very good section on how & why vacuum tubes do what they do. This book is mainly directed at folks restoring old radios, but an amplifier in any radio is basically same as your guitar amp. Same goes for the rectifier, power transformer & other circuits. The Tube Amp Book by Aspen Pitman. Includes circuits covering several hundred guitar tube amps. As well covers most of the famous vacuum tube guitar amps & tubes in some detail. Tube Testers & Classic Electronic Test Gear, Alan Douglas. See it at this link- http://www.alibris.com/booksearch?ew...sting*editions Many used books covering all aspects of electronics are available at- www.alibris.com All at a good price. I've used them quite a bit & completely satisfied. BTW, I'm an old fart too! Cheers & Good Luck, John |
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Let me introduce myself (tube related).
On 04/27/11 07:58, Phil Allison so wittily quipped:
You come across as a modest, very genuine and rather cool dude. why do you treat this guy with respect, when you're an ASSHOLE to pretty much everyone else? Were you looking for someone to STROKE YOUR ABUSIVELY GIGANTIC EGO or something? (don't pay any attention to what Phil Allison says - he's an IDIOT and a TROLL) [am I getting to you yet?] |
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Let me introduce myself (tube related).
On 04/27/11 07:04, Pt so wittily quipped:
I am a guitar/bass player. I am an old guy and I am retired but still playing in bands near the Chicago area. any music on-line? (soundclick or whatever) I have had many amps, mostly tube amps but my main amp these days is a 1989 (year) JCM Marshall half stack. That got me to thinking....Maybe I can buy a tube tester and start my own little business. not a bad idea. you might add speaker re-cone and guitar setup to basic amp servicing, and have someone you can call on for more extensive repairs. [/me has a close relative who was in the music store business, now retired - used to spend time at the store, etc.] So I got a B&K 500 mutual conductance tube tester off ebay that has been restored and calibrated. sounds good so far. Next I got a box of 80 tubes untested off ebay for $9.14....in transit now. hope at least half are good, and none broken. You could test them and re-e-bay the ones you don't need maybe? I know very little about tubes but I'm willing to learn. despite what SOME people may say, not all that difficult. You can start with Wikipedia articles like THIS one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_tube it's a bit long but the first part should be relevant to guitar amps. For basic tube replacement, large music outlets (like Guitar Center) usually sell Ruby and/or Sovtek tubes (at least, last time I checked). They're "ok" for most things, and the gold-plated 'Groove Tubes' are sometimes made by those SAME two tube companies with other people's brands stamped on them (and with the gold plating). I've never heard of anyone griping about either Ruby or Sovtek, though I'm sure someone [here] will. 'flipper' suggested a good tube source (web site) a while back (you can 'flip' through his posts, heh) but there are a large number of them out there. I would suggest that for MOST tubes the new ones (rather than NOS) will perform as well or perhaps better. There are a lot of myths out there about old tubes and how they sound 'better' or whatever. Some may be true, but most are probably FUD. I have been lurking here for a week or so and after reading some posts here I realize how little I know. you probably know more than you think you do. Most of the discussions recently are highly technical (with the exception of some trolling), and geeky-technical knowledge is only needed to design an amp from scratch. You don't need that kind of in-depth knowledge to find a decent set of tubes for your amp, or replace tubes in someone else's amp. It can be fun to get geeky with all of this stuff, but for a working musician (perhaps wanting to work on other people's gear), 'the basics' are probably enough. I was a construction union electrician in my day job so I understand electricity and ohms law to some degree. and you can read a wiring diagram, no doubt. I did some wiring 'back in the day' also, when I was in the Navy. It's a different skill set, but related thinking... like properly wiring a dual light switch (both up or both down = off, one up and one down = on). I live in a small rural town about 100 miles west of Chicago. But I was born in Chicago and grew up in Oak Park. can't leave without singing the blues (ha ha ha ha) I've always liked Fender amps myself. You can find schematics for them online. |
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Let me introduce myself (tube related).
On 04/28/11 07:35, John L Stewart so wittily quipped:
Hey there Big Fat Bob, you are getting even more boring. Perhaps a nap will help you feel better. what are YOU, a phil phanboi? perhaps a brain transplant would make you THINK better |
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Let me introduce myself (tube related).
Hello Pt. I have a friend that lives in Orland Park, IL. His name is Jim
McShane. He's been great in helping me find audio nirvana. He repairs audio equipment, sells tubes and is just a great guy. His website is: pages.prodigy.net/jimmcshane Tell him Eddie sent you. I won't get any money. Just trying to help. Eddie |
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Let me introduce myself (tube related).
On Apr 29, 5:44*am, Big Bad Bob BigBadBob-at-mrp3-
wrote: On 04/28/11 07:35, John L Stewart so wittily quipped: Hey there Big Fat Bob, you are getting even more boring. Perhaps a nap will help you feel better. what are YOU, a phil phanboi? perhaps a brain transplant would make you THINK better Ah, sigh. the tendency for guys to practice one-upmanship and irrationality regarding who is a friend or foe continues..... Anyway, Phil was right about a few technical issues. And BTW, teflon sleeving cut to length over solid core silver plated wiring in amplifiers which are all hand wired turret to turret might be good practice, but totally uneccessary in a restoration of some ancient old amp where replacement of all R&C is mandatory. One may buy retro style cloth covered wire which looks just like the old stuff and in several colors. I personally hate using teflon, always difficult to work with, But in the old days woven cloth sleeving doped in some sticky old brown gunk was often used for wiring over solid core. Most old radios, amps and radios made before PVC came in during the 1950s had cloth covered wire with rubber insulation on tined stranded wire, all about 3 amp rated at least. The rubber dries and crumbles, and the old wire is always messy where you have to cut&strip an end when re-wiring an old bitta junk. So I just use PVC coated wire. In Australia, we have a Shiela Prime Minister who's having a hard time keeping her political head off the chopping block while she insists on imposing a carbon tax because it won't reduce CO2 unless they also close down the coal industry. Slowly the truth about ineffectiveness of carbon trading and its cost to Joe Public and his missus is beginning to be understood because a bloke who could be called Sledge Hammer Abbot is sorely bashing the ideas put forward by our Shiela Leader. All this is a nice and peaceful function of Australian De-mockracy where ppl are free to mock one another between elections when the People get the chance to have a say on whose idea is more mockable than someone else's. So it should be here, except there are no elections, and probably just as well because there'd be a permanent rebellion and war going on..... Patrick Turner. |
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No question, Phil A is right on the money most of the time & has been in my experience for some years. He may be a little odd at times but best to ignore that. Cheers (and peace) to all, John |
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Let me introduce myself (tube related).
On Apr 30, 10:58*pm, Patrick Turner wrote:
On Apr 29, 5:44*am, Big Bad Bob BigBadBob-at-mrp3- wrote: On 04/28/11 07:35, John L Stewart so wittily quipped: Hey there Big Fat Bob, you are getting even more boring. Perhaps a nap will help you feel better. what are YOU, a phil phanboi? perhaps a brain transplant would make you THINK better Ah, sigh. the tendency for guys to practice one-upmanship and irrationality regarding who is a friend or foe continues..... Anyway, Phil was right about a few technical issues. And BTW, teflon sleeving cut to length over solid core silver plated wiring in amplifiers which are all hand wired turret to turret might be good practice, but totally uneccessary in a restoration of some ancient old amp where replacement of all R&C is mandatory. One may buy retro style cloth covered wire which looks just like the old stuff and in several colors. I personally hate using teflon, always difficult to work with, But in the old days woven cloth sleeving doped in some sticky old brown gunk was often used for wiring over solid core. Most old radios, amps and radios made before PVC came in during the 1950s had cloth covered wire with rubber insulation on tined stranded wire, all about 3 amp rated at least. The rubber dries and crumbles, and the old wire is always messy where you have to cut&strip an end when re-wiring an old bitta junk. So I just use PVC coated wire. In Australia, we have a Shiela Prime Minister who's having a hard time keeping her political head off the chopping block while she insists on imposing a carbon tax because it won't reduce CO2 unless they also close down the coal industry. Slowly the truth about ineffectiveness of carbon trading and its cost to Joe Public and his missus is beginning to be understood because a bloke who could be called Sledge Hammer Abbot is sorely bashing the ideas put forward by our Shiela ader. All this is a nice and peaceful function of Australian De-mockracy where ppl are free to mock one another between elections when the People get the chance to have a say on whose idea is more mockable than someone else's. So it should be here, except there are no elections, and probably just as well because there'd be a permanent rebellion and war going on..... Patrick Turner. Come to Chicago. It can get a lot worse. Pt |
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Let me introduce myself (tube related).
Come to Chicago. It can get a lot worse. Don't need to any more. Chicago came to Washington. OK, I'm bamboozled. This thing about Chicago must be some kind of American Secret which is unable to be understood by Astrayans who wander off their field of life into Internet discussions. Just so youse ain't bamboozled, Astraya is my country Down Under. People here often don't quite realise they have all mostly "gorn astray" and in fact our founding fathers and their doting mothers noticed this trait so they decided to call the country whose politics were conceived over several beers in a pub, Astraya. The hot weather, floods, flies, and droughts made civil wars impractical, and such things cut into pub time; even un-civil wars were no more popular. Unless it was over some disagreement Deare Olde Mother England had with The Gerries, and then there was no trouble finding blokes to fight well and die in thousands instead of lurking around in boring rural Astraya rounding up cattle and sheep. Astraya is definately astay at the moment 'cos its unintenionally voted in Mother Gillard who lives "in sin", unmarried, with an ex hair dresser bloke in the Lodge, a very pale imitation of the White House. MG hasn't ever got around to having kids, mainly because of having to get ahead in Politics by keeping the carving knife sharp. Since MG is so inexperienced as a Mother, and since Astraya is such an unruly child, the adoption may not work out and I fear the child will vote for the Bloke with the Hammer instead of mucking around again by voting Green. How else will Astrayan voters avoid Carbonization of their wallet contents by carbon taxes? After that don't work out too well, Lord Nose what lies ahead. Maybe a kangaroo with a blind fold on has better sense of political directions at present. But at least confusion and vaguity breeds an absense of moving strongly into unpopular directions. Patrick Turner. |
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Let me introduce myself (tube related).
On May 2, 7:58*pm, flipper wrote:
On Mon, 2 May 2011 01:48:09 -0700 (PDT), Patrick Turner wrote: Come to Chicago. It can get a lot worse. Don't need to any more. Chicago came to Washington. OK, I'm bamboozled. This thing about Chicago must be some kind of American Secret which is unable to be understood by Astrayans who wander off their field of life into Internet discussions. Surely even 'down under' has read/seen/heard in either literature, movie, or television about characters like Eliot Ness, Al Capone and, in general, 'Chicago Mobsters' who's hand in hand enablers were corrupt politicians 'on the take'. Of course, I do not mean to imply things are that bad these days. It's certainly improved, like maybe as much as 10 or 20%, on a sliding scale. When Chicago Mayor Richard Daley was asked in 1996 what it means when 21 corrupt Chicago officials are sent to prison in 21 years he replied "It just means that 21 politicians have been sent to prison in 21 years." First elected to Mayor in 1989 he is the longest serving U.S. mayor, beating his now #2 father, who also 'ran' Chicago, by a year and a half. Former Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich is currently undergoing retrial for corruption in attempting to 'sell' President elect Obama's then open Senate seat. President Obama got his political 'education' in Chicago, and it shows. However, this is a day to celebrate. Bin Laden is history. Ah, now I get it. Yeah, we heard all about USA crime problems, but ya gotta expect it with such a large population and so much ****in money and so many evil opportunities and with most people's high resistance to anything except temptation. Yeah, Bin Laden had it coming. Live by the bomb, die violently. But exactly who in Pakistan helped him suvive so long? And it ain't all over yet. A few more trillions spent on foreign wars should fix it. Donald Rump for President might be fun.... Better than David Letterman, who waits for news about the divorce of the Bwittish newly weds.... Patrick Turner. |
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Let me introduce myself (tube related).
On 05/02/11 18:12, Patrick Turner so wittily quipped:
On May 2, 7:58 pm, wrote: On Mon, 2 May 2011 01:48:09 -0700 (PDT), Patrick Turner wrote: Come to Chicago. It can get a lot worse. Don't need to any more. Chicago came to Washington. OK, I'm bamboozled. This thing about Chicago must be some kind of American Secret which is unable to be understood by Astrayans who wander off their field of life into Internet discussions. Surely even 'down under' has read/seen/heard in either literature, movie, or television about characters like Eliot Ness, Al Capone and, in general, 'Chicago Mobsters' who's hand in hand enablers were corrupt politicians 'on the take'. Of course, I do not mean to imply things are that bad these days. It's certainly improved, like maybe as much as 10 or 20%, on a sliding scale. When Chicago Mayor Richard Daley was asked in 1996 what it means when 21 corrupt Chicago officials are sent to prison in 21 years he replied "It just means that 21 politicians have been sent to prison in 21 years." First elected to Mayor in 1989 he is the longest serving U.S. mayor, beating his now #2 father, who also 'ran' Chicago, by a year and a half. Former Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich is currently undergoing retrial for corruption in attempting to 'sell' President elect Obama's then open Senate seat. President Obama got his political 'education' in Chicago, and it shows. However, this is a day to celebrate. Bin Laden is history. Ah, now I get it. Yeah, we heard all about USA crime problems, but ya gotta expect it with such a large population and so much ****in money and so many evil opportunities and with most people's high resistance to anything except temptation. amazingly enough, per-capita crime is pretty low. but yeah. headlines sell newspapers. Donald Rump for President might be fun.... I'll have to start selling popcorn if THAT happens... |
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On May 3, 1:55*pm, flipper wrote:
On Mon, 2 May 2011 18:12:32 -0700 (PDT), Patrick Turner wrote: On May 2, 7:58*pm, flipper wrote: On Mon, 2 May 2011 01:48:09 -0700 (PDT), Patrick Turner wrote: Come to Chicago. It can get a lot worse. Don't need to any more. Chicago came to Washington. OK, I'm bamboozled. This thing about Chicago must be some kind of American Secret which is unable to be understood by Astrayans who wander off their field of life into Internet discussions. Surely even 'down under' has read/seen/heard in either literature, movie, or television about characters like Eliot Ness, Al Capone and, in general, 'Chicago Mobsters' who's hand in hand enablers were corrupt politicians 'on the take'. Of course, I do not mean to imply things are that bad these days. It's certainly improved, like maybe as much as 10 or 20%, on a sliding scale. When Chicago Mayor Richard Daley was asked in 1996 what it means when 21 corrupt Chicago officials are sent to prison in 21 years he replied "It just means that 21 politicians have been sent to prison in 21 years." First elected to Mayor in 1989 he is the longest serving U.S. mayor, beating his now #2 father, who also 'ran' Chicago, by a year and a half. Former Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich is currently undergoing retrial for corruption in attempting to 'sell' President elect Obama's then open Senate seat. President Obama got his political 'education' in Chicago, and it shows. However, this is a day to celebrate. Bin Laden is history. Ah, now I get it. Yeah, we heard all about USA crime problems, but ya gotta expect it with such a large population and so much ****in money and so many evil opportunities and with most people's high resistance to anything except temptation. Actually, on average, crime is near or at an all time low, as a percentage of population. Yeah, Bin Laden had it coming. Live by the bomb, die violently. But exactly who in Pakistan helped him suvive so long? That's a remaining question but no one trusts the ISI. And it ain't all over yet. Only a fool would think it was. A few more trillions spent on foreign wars should fix it. Optimist. Donald Rump for President might be fun.... I have trouble seeing Trump as President but Joe Biden has made a case for buffoonery in the V.P. position. Better than David Letterman, who waits for news about the divorce of the Bwittish newly weds.... It's certainly true that Donald trumps Letterman. thwa thump bump Patrick Turner.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The old and damned ugly Donald Rump has a bad reputation as a determined mysoginst. I read all about him in a Sydney newspaper today. Anyway, who cares what politicians, governments, military spokespersons or any wannabe VIP might say? I mean really, after Wikileaks, its a changed world and nodoby need believe anyone about anything any more. Everything is dis-information; George Orwell was right. Patrick Turner. |
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The old and damned ugly Donald Rump has a bad reputation as a determined mysoginst. Ah, misogyny, the hatred of women. That certainly explains why he bought and runs the Miss U.S.A. pageant. After all, when you 'hate' something you just naturally want gaggles and gaggles of it around. I read all about him in a Sydney newspaper today. Trust me, you never read 'all about' anyone in a newspaper article and there's good reason to wonder whether what little you read is true. Yes, but Rump's ownership of the Pageant don't mean he loves shielas. His quoted sayings and those from shielas who have written books that are negative about Rumpy make the make him look real bad. But of course none of a man's badness stops 50% of USA voters if they are told to vote. Anyway, who cares what politicians, governments, military spokespersons or any wannabe VIP might say? Seeing as how they intend to 'run things', just about everyone. yeah, all above persons are sinister entities. I mean really, after Wikileaks, its a changed world and nodoby need believe anyone about anything any more. Everything is dis-information; George Orwell was right. Says the man who just claimed to have read "all about" someone? Well I never met The Leaker Julian. I never slept with him, or went to school with him. Yeah, I don't know nothin' then, OK, youse can say that. Anywaise, I'll just keep hunkered down in these here hills in my tiny suburban mansion without 6 metre high walls, and WITH a connection to the Net, and hope I get away with tryna understand triodes and other vacumy gadgets. I don't mean no harm to no body, but thousands don't believe that. I just hope Rump don't become President and send in the helicopters at 2 am to have me face the CEOs of other toob amp makers, and dress me up in an orange suit at Gitmo. After Pakistan, maybe the 2am Chopper Team will be sent anywhere any time. Pakistan was moanin about how many women and chillen got killed and maimed in drone attacks where the US is too frightened to send in real men which apparently must be in short supply. I don't lose sleep over Osama Arsole, but what of the many many thousands of innocent victims in wars persued by the land of the brave and the free? They hammered nails through Jesus to a cross, but afterwards all these stone churches sprang up. And Osama is a Jesus to the millions of arabs living grimy lives, so I guess Uncle Sam will need to watch his back, and his front, for it looks like these Osama followers have nearly sent the US broke..... Patrick Turner. |
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On May 4, 2:11*pm, flipper wrote:
On Tue, 3 May 2011 17:42:03 -0700 (PDT), Patrick Turner wrote: The old and damned ugly Donald Rump has a bad reputation as a determined mysoginst. Ah, misogyny, the hatred of women. That certainly explains why he bought and runs the Miss U.S.A. pageant. After all, when you 'hate' something you just naturally want gaggles and gaggles of it around. I read all about him in a Sydney newspaper today. Trust me, you never read 'all about' anyone in a newspaper article and there's good reason to wonder whether what little you read is true. Yes, but Rump's ownership of the Pageant don't mean he loves shielas. I didn't make any claims about who he 'loves' or hates, you did... from a 'whole' newspaper article. His quoted sayings and those from shielas who have written books that are negative about Rumpy make the make him look real bad. Your Sydney newspapers must use incredibly small print to include the whole text of 'books'. But of course none of a man's badness stops 50% of USA voters if they are told to vote. One who has such a low opinion of Aussie politicians and voters shouldn't be casting stones afar. Anyway, who cares what politicians, governments, military spokespersons or any wannabe VIP might say? Seeing as how they intend to 'run things', just about everyone. yeah, all above persons are sinister entities. I mean really, after Wikileaks, its a changed world and nodoby need believe anyone about anything any more. Everything is dis-information; George Orwell was right. Says the man who just claimed to have read "all about" someone? Well I never met The Leaker Julian. I never slept with him, or went to school with him. Yeah, I don't know nothin' then, OK, youse can say that. I didn't say you know 'nothin'. What I implied is you have a demonstrated propensity for picking only those things which conveniently reinforce what you already believe. Anywaise, I'll just keep hunkered down in these here hills in my tiny suburban mansion without 6 metre high walls, and WITH a connection to the Net, and hope I get away with tryna understand triodes and other vacumy gadgets. I don't mean no harm to no body, but thousands don't believe that. I just hope Rump don't become President and send in the helicopters at 2 am to have me face the CEOs of other toob amp makers, and dress me up in an orange suit at Gitmo. You planning to go around blowing up people? After Pakistan, maybe the 2am Chopper Team will be sent anywhere any time. Pakistan was moanin about how many women and chillen got killed and maimed in drone attacks where the US is too frightened to send in real men which apparently must be in short supply. Oh sure. It would be much more 'humane' to invade. Fewer casualties too, eh? Jeesh, what a schmuck. I don't lose sleep over Osama Arsole, but what of the many many thousands of innocent victims in wars persued by the land of the brave and the free? Positively trivial to avoid. Don't drop bombs on Pearl Harbor, fly airplanes into our skyscrapers, invade allies, or issue fatwahs ordering the 'faithful' to kill any and all Americans anywhere, anytime, and any way they can. We love making friends but rather despise being murdered. We're 'picky' that way. They hammered nails through Jesus to a cross, but afterwards all these stone churches sprang up. And Osama is a Jesus to the millions of arabs living grimy lives, so I guess Uncle Sam will need to watch his back, and his front, for it looks like these Osama followers have nearly sent the US broke..... You should thank your lucky stars you don't live in an Islamic fundamentalist ruled country because they'd slit your throat for that kind of heresy. I might be the original curmudgeon from Oz. I hardly ever agree with anyone, so I like to avoid many ppl as they avoid me. I got freedom of speach, and only ****wit moslems would think I'm tryna tell em Osama is "like a Jesus". Jesus gave us all a fabulous way to live, and we revere Him. Well, Osama gave millions some hope of life improvement, maybe a fabulous way to die, and they revere him like so many revere Jesus. I for one don't follow any such heroes, I never gather with other men clutching a photo or image of some holy person or holy warrior, I never seethe with angst about the world I find myself in. Nobody owes me nothing, and luckily by hard work I don't owe the world anything. Just how all of us in the West get this message to the wannabe bombers is a puzzle. Of course there's a difference between Jesus and Mohommad, although history shows time and time again that christians have a lot to be guilty about, going right back to the crusades, and to the Inquisition, and a pile of other stuff. So its not unusual for so called christians to avoid following Jesus who said, "Love thine enemies" , and shoot amd bomb as many as the eye can see, and not pay one cent of compensation to all the innocents who are in the "wrong place and time", like all those poor *******s in Iraq who'd not have suffered had Dubya not carried on with an ill conceived hair brained scheme to steal a country - and its oil. I feel unease when I think of the vaporisation of Japanese cities in WW2. On the other side of the coin there are the Sufi muslims who preach peace and tranquility and similar good things that some christians actually practice. But all in all, most ppl who believe in piles of religious ideas are sinners, and inconsistent, and basically imperfect. Osama was a kind of guru of vengeance for millions of muslims who feel betrayed by the world which needs to suffer because it just won't share everything equitably. Now Osama is gone, there are many others who will take pride to follow him, as he just became a martyr, not a prisoner who must face a fair trial. Anyway, because they wanna use force to get even after decades if not centuries of percieved abuse, we have to play their game, and shoot back. OK, Osama killed a few thousand in 2001, but that gives nobody any licence to kill far far more of "them" ie, all the innocents in Iraq etc etc etc I reckon any big time bomber could achieve more if he followed Ghandi's idea of non violent protest to make a fairer world, but its hard to get ppl motivated to all sit in the middle of the road for a month to paralyse a country, but then Egypt is a start so far...there are plenty of nation fulls of people who'd completely ignore Ghandi if he was around now, or just shoot all those who sit on roads - that's been going on in Syria. There's a statue of Ghandi in Glebe Park, here in Canberra. When its all said and done Ghandi was a tolerable person IMHO. Ghandi was assasinated. We are all so lucky only a tiny minority feel so ****ed off about the West and its decadence and greed and inhumanity that they plant bombs. As I see it, as soon as anyone is born, they should have equal rights to anything anywhere. But they find out the hard way nothing is for free, its one big fight to survive. While they struggle they see ppl in the west living lives of ease they can only dream about, and they see that us easy living folks got that way from exploiting everyone else and denying everyone a fair go. So while life is so grindingly bad compared to Mr Average Australian or American, they don't mind a bit of a bomb here and there. I doubt these malcontents could ever be converted to peace. They ain't got nothin to lose, may as well bomb. There is a way to fix up all this mess of existance but nobody feels like doing much so it stays messy. Lemme see now, it cost billions to eventually get Osama to play his kind of game with us, man to man. There are only at least 499 left to deal with. I'm struggling to figure that the West is winning, we seem to want to back a regime in Pakistan who tried to hide Osama, the secret hero. Meanwhile a war rages in Ghan and the opium flows and why the opium cannot be stopped is a mystery. Someone is making a lotta money. But the West can easily absorb the collateral of its failures, so it seems. And then there are the profits to be had manipulating Libya to accomodate the wishes of the West somewhat better than Gaffy did. First the West lets the waring sides to slug it out, gives the anti Gaffy face book heroes some assistance, but at the end when new tough guys we like take over the armarments will all need to be replaced and the West can look forward to some nice big contracts at stella prices and a big pipe to suck the oil. Its all beyond my control. Patrick Turner. |
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On 05/03/11 06:03, Patrick Turner so wittily quipped:
The old and damned ugly Donald Rump has a bad reputation as a determined mysoginst. I read all about him in a Sydney newspaper today. /me wonders if that article was written by a misandronist. real men don't give a crap what misandronist journalists think of them. heh. And they don't eat quiche, either. [does anyone else remember that book?] Anyway, who cares what politicians, governments, military spokespersons or any wannabe VIP might say? I mean really, after Wikileaks, its a changed world and nodoby need believe anyone about anything any more. Everything is dis-information; George Orwell was right. it took an extra ~30 years for the general population to figure that one out. 1984 was a typo. at least after the WW3 'EMP' weapons destroy most everything that's based on silicon, a lot of the tube gear should still work. |
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On 05/03/11 17:42, Patrick Turner so wittily quipped:
His quoted sayings and those from shielas who have written books that are negative about Rumpy make the make him look real bad. But of course none of a man's badness stops 50% of USA voters if they are told to vote. no matter who you vote for, the winner will ALWAYS be a politician. That means he'll be a corrupt liar, and will have to do political paybacks for the money he received, yotta yotta yotta. You just have to pick the one that (hopefully) will be LESS corrupt than 'the other guy'. Last prez election we didn't have a lot of choice. Anyway, who cares what politicians, governments, military spokespersons or any wannabe VIP might say? Seeing as how they intend to 'run things', just about everyone. yeah, all above persons are sinister entities. the natural order of (base) human nature, to fear that which you do not understand, and to seek control to compensate for fear. Fear and panic drive too much these days. I just hope Rump don't become President and send in the helicopters at 2 am to have me face the CEOs of other toob amp makers, and dress me up in an orange suit at Gitmo. don't we all. After Pakistan, maybe the 2am Chopper Team will be sent anywhere any time. U.S. conspiracy theorists have been talking about the 'black helicopters' for a very long time. for it looks like these Osama followers have nearly sent the US broke..... I thought it was the _OBAMA_ followers... but there ya go. Military and 'regular expenses' constitute less than 20% of the US federal budget. The other 80% or so (35% of which is overspending) is all 'social' and 'entitlement' and 'subsidy' and things of that nature. askheritage.com did a breakdown of it a while ago. There's a lot of unhappiness among Americans because of this obvious inability to spend within the means. You don't see it in the news media, but it's there. |
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