Any endorsements for a really high quality mic cable for live recording? Is
the Belden 1192A Star Quad the right thing to be looking at?

Thanks,
Walt

WJ wrote:
Any endorsements for a really high quality mic cable for live recording? Is
the Belden 1192A Star Quad the right thing to be looking at?

Star quad is good if you'll be setting up in a high EMI environment
(which you may encounter in live recording situations). Otherwise, it's
not as good as single pair cable because it has higher capacitance, and
in general, is stiffer so it doesn't coil as nicely. Mogami, Canare,
and Belden are all good. Some swear by Gotham. Most swear at Monster.
It really isn't all that big of a deal.

In article , WJ wrote:
Any endorsements for a really high quality mic cable for live recording? Is
the Belden 1192A Star Quad the right thing to be looking at?

Sure, that's fine. Personally I like the Canare star quad stuff because
it's more flexible. Other folks prefer the Mogami cables, although personally
I don't like the served shields. And Gepco and Gotham have adherents too.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:14:47 -0500, Mike Rivers wrote
(in article .com):


WJ wrote:
Any endorsements for a really high quality mic cable for live recording? Is
the Belden 1192A Star Quad the right thing to be looking at?

Star quad is good if you'll be setting up in a high EMI environment
(which you may encounter in live recording situations). Otherwise, it's
not as good as single pair cable because it has higher capacitance, and
in general, is stiffer so it doesn't coil as nicely. Mogami, Canare,
and Belden are all good. Some swear by Gotham. Most swear at Monster.
It really isn't all that big of a deal.


Gotham GAC-3

Ty Ford


-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

Ty Ford wrote:

Some swear by Gotham. Most swear at Monster.

Gotham GAC-3

Is that a swear, or just an affirmation?

Gotham cable is cool because it has three conductors. You can carry Pin
1 through a conductor inside the shield and handle the shield
separately. The new Neutrik EMI-resistant XLR connectors should be good
for this.

Belden 9182 lan cable with neutrik connectors.
Apogee Wide eye AES digital cable.
Kimber AGSS silver cable.
All superior to any "audio" cable.

Jim Williams
Audio Upgrades

wrote:
Belden 9182 lan cable with neutrik connectors.
Apogee Wide eye AES digital cable.
Kimber AGSS silver cable.
All superior to any "audio" cable.

But probably not noticable, at least to someone who has to ask. He
mentioned remote recording, so good shielding and tight loop area are
important, perhaps more so than low capacitance.

Mike Rivers wrote:
wrote:
Belden 9182 lan cable with neutrik connectors.
Apogee Wide eye AES digital cable.
Kimber AGSS silver cable.
All superior to any "audio" cable.

But probably not noticable, at least to someone who has to ask. He
mentioned remote recording, so good shielding and tight loop area are
important, perhaps more so than low capacitance.

All of these cables have very low capacitance, but what they MOST have
is extremely accurate impedance control. To get this, the cables have
to be pretty rigid, so the conductor spacing (which helps determine the
characteristic impedance) doesn't change when the cable is flexed.

This is a characteristic that isn't important for audio, although I could
possibly believe that there might be some other sonic improvements that
come along with the tight spacing control, like reduced microphonics.

The problem is that this rigidity is a problem for a lot of applications.
For a lot of things, I'll take higher cable flexibility over lower
capacitance.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
oups.com...

Ty Ford wrote:

Some swear by Gotham. Most swear at Monster.

Gotham GAC-3

Is that a swear, or just an affirmation?

Gotham cable is cool because it has three conductors. You can carry Pin
1 through a conductor inside the shield and handle the shield
separately. The new Neutrik EMI-resistant XLR connectors should be good
for this.

It's also a hell of a lot easier to work with than the Star-Quad cables,
having a wrapped rather than a braided shield, and the aforementioned 3-wire
insides. Plus it's more flexible, easier to coil.

Peace,
Paul

On 11/1/05 7:14 PM, in article
, "Mike Rivers"
wrote:


Star quad is good if ... Otherwise, it's
not as good as single pair cable because it has higher capacitance, and
in general, is stiffer so it doesn't coil as nicely.

I gotta call "B.S." on that one. When I did location recording, all my
cables were Canare star-quad, over 600 feet of it, and it always coiled
beautifully. Even the 4-channel snake was a breeze to coil.

By the way, I still have it all and need to get rid of it. If anyone is
interested, send me a private email.

Allen
--
Allen Corneau
Mastering Engineer
Essential Sound Mastering
www.esmastering.com

Allen Corneau wrote:

I gotta call "B.S." on that one.

I guess some people simply can't accept that someone else may have
different (and perhaps even more) experience than they do. Ain't ya
proud of yourself?

all my
cables were Canare star-quad, over 600 feet of it, and it always coiled
beautifully. Even the 4-channel snake was a breeze to coil.

Canare (and Mogami, too) make nicely flexible star quad cable. But
there are a number of other brands that aren't nearly that flexible.

By the way, I still have it all and need to get rid of it. If anyone is
interested, send me a private email.

Contact the original poster in this thread. He wanted to get some good
cable, and you got it.

I have used the Kimber 3 braid AGSS for several years and have never
had an RF problem with it. This includes my former shop in LA which was
1.5 miles away from a 50,000 watt AM transmitter. Although my test
bench scope would show it on each piece being bench tested, it never
rectified into that cable. Suprised me as this cable is a 3 braid
without shielding. Also have had no problems in location recording with
the Belden lan cable. The improved top end details justified it for my
use. Belden AES cable is also a good choice, anything but cloudy audio
wire. Star Quad is a low pass filter.

Jim Williams
Audio Upgrades

On 11/2/05 6:30 PM, in article
, "Mike Rivers"
wrote:

Allen Corneau wrote:

I gotta call "B.S." on that one.

I guess some people simply can't accept that someone else may have
different (and perhaps even more) experience than they do. Ain't ya
proud of yourself?

No, Mike.

Your opinion is that Canare doesn't coil well. My opinion is that it does
coil well.

Where's the confusion in that?


Allen
--
Allen Corneau
Mastering Engineer
Essential Sound Mastering
www.esmastering.com

In article ,
Allen Corneau wrote:
On 11/2/05 6:30 PM, in article
.com, "Mike Rivers"
wrote:

Allen Corneau wrote:

I gotta call "B.S." on that one.

I guess some people simply can't accept that someone else may have
different (and perhaps even more) experience than they do. Ain't ya
proud of yourself?

No, Mike.

Your opinion is that Canare doesn't coil well. My opinion is that it does
coil well.

Where's the confusion in that?

The confusion may be in that Canare makes at least a dozen kinds of star
quad cable with different diameters. Although they have similar braid
configuration, they might wrap differently.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Thanks for all the responses. This forum and others like it are a great
resource for us just getting started types.

Cheers,
Walt