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Middle School is Fun!
Recorded the end-of-year concert for the symphony orchestra at the middle
school today. Recording 11-13 year olds in a hundred piece orchestra is alway interesting, but the timing made this most unusual. They performed in the cafeteria immediately (as in 5 minutes) after lunch. So I recorded them over the noise of tables being folded, an indoor-size street sweeper scrubbing floors at the other end of the room, dishwashers (machines) running, dishwashers (people) shouting to be heard over that damn orchestra playing so close to the kitchen, freezers freezing and refrigerators refrigerating. It was a blast. |
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"Carey Carlan" wrote in message . 201... Recorded the end-of-year concert for the symphony orchestra at the middle school today. Recording 11-13 year olds in a hundred piece orchestra is alway interesting, but the timing made this most unusual. They performed in the cafeteria immediately (as in 5 minutes) after lunch. So I recorded them over the noise of tables being folded, an indoor-size street sweeper scrubbing floors at the other end of the room, dishwashers (machines) running, dishwashers (people) shouting to be heard over that damn orchestra playing so close to the kitchen, freezers freezing and refrigerators refrigerating. It was a blast. Must be your first year...........yeah. Been doing it for 6 years now. No more without money! :-) Scott Chapin |
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"Carey Carlan" wrote in message . 201... Recorded the end-of-year concert for the symphony orchestra at the middle school today. Recording 11-13 year olds in a hundred piece orchestra is alway interesting, but the timing made this most unusual. They performed in the cafeteria immediately (as in 5 minutes) after lunch. So I recorded them over the noise of tables being folded, an indoor-size street sweeper scrubbing floors at the other end of the room, dishwashers (machines) running, dishwashers (people) shouting to be heard over that damn orchestra playing so close to the kitchen, freezers freezing and refrigerators refrigerating. It was a blast. Must be your first year...........yeah. Been doing it for 6 years now. No more without money! :-) Scott Chapin |
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"Scott Chapin" wrote in
: It was a blast. Must be your first year...........yeah. Been doing it for 6 years now. No more without money! :-) I've been doing it for about the same time, and, yes, I'm paid for the effort. It's just the "cognitive dissonance" of listening to what would be serious music (diluted versions of Finlandia and the New World Symphony) played by middle schoolers in a place slightly less noisy than an Irish bar on Saturday night. |
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"Scott Chapin" wrote in
: It was a blast. Must be your first year...........yeah. Been doing it for 6 years now. No more without money! :-) I've been doing it for about the same time, and, yes, I'm paid for the effort. It's just the "cognitive dissonance" of listening to what would be serious music (diluted versions of Finlandia and the New World Symphony) played by middle schoolers in a place slightly less noisy than an Irish bar on Saturday night. |
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Carey Carlan wrote:
Recorded the end-of-year concert for the symphony orchestra at the middle school today. Recording 11-13 year olds in a hundred piece orchestra is alway interesting, but the timing made this most unusual. Yeah, that's about how middle school orchestra works: the timing is most unusual. Not to mention the tuning; that's usually unusual too. - Logan |
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Carey Carlan wrote:
Recorded the end-of-year concert for the symphony orchestra at the middle school today. Recording 11-13 year olds in a hundred piece orchestra is alway interesting, but the timing made this most unusual. Yeah, that's about how middle school orchestra works: the timing is most unusual. Not to mention the tuning; that's usually unusual too. - Logan |
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Carey Carlan wrote in message .201...
They performed in the cafeteria immediately (as in 5 minutes) after lunch. So I recorded them over the noise of tables being folded, an indoor-size street sweeper scrubbing floors at the other end of the room, dishwashers (machines) running, dishwashers (people) shouting to be heard over that damn orchestra playing so close to the kitchen, freezers freezing and refrigerators refrigerating. It was a blast. Are you bald now? I know I would be after pulling all of my hair out. ;-) |
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Carey Carlan wrote in message .201...
They performed in the cafeteria immediately (as in 5 minutes) after lunch. So I recorded them over the noise of tables being folded, an indoor-size street sweeper scrubbing floors at the other end of the room, dishwashers (machines) running, dishwashers (people) shouting to be heard over that damn orchestra playing so close to the kitchen, freezers freezing and refrigerators refrigerating. It was a blast. Are you bald now? I know I would be after pulling all of my hair out. ;-) |
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Carey Carlan wrote in message .202...
"Scott Chapin" wrote in : It was a blast. Must be your first year...........yeah. Been doing it for 6 years now. No more without money! :-) I've been doing it for about the same time, and, yes, I'm paid for the effort. It's just the "cognitive dissonance" of listening to what would be serious music (diluted versions of Finlandia and the New World Symphony) played by middle schoolers in a place slightly less noisy than an Irish bar on Saturday night. Carey et al: I've also been doing this sort of thing for about 5 years, but in very nice performing arts centers (every suburbian high school in our area has one of these now). Over an 8 day period every spring I and a couple associates (more than one school going at once) sit for 8-9 hours per day and listen (record) to a total of around 260 groups (over 10,000 kids) parading by in their best bib and tuckers, and in many cases playing some pretty fine music. Included are both Middle School and High School groups ranging from Symphonic and Concert Bands to Wind Ensembles and all the varieties of String Orchestras. They play three selections within 20 minutes for an audience of 3 judges and usually only a few intrepid parents and some of the other band kids. We record in two track stereo and immediately burn a CD which is literally almost handed to the director as he leaves the stage. Not quite - he gets it in a package which also includes the judges' reports and ratings and it takes them a few minutes after each performance to do this work. The pay is our standard on-location $60 per hour rate and well worth the effort although on about the 6th day one's attention span begins to get a bit shorter and the eyes start to droop after lunch. Of course any glitches in the gear can get your attention in a hurry since there are obviously no second chances. The other income producer is offering copies of the CD's for sale after the events are over. We do this for $4 each with no label in a paper sleeve. The better directors sometimes use booster funds to buy one for each kid in the band. Others just take orders from the kids/parents. Some (most) do nothing. The wonder of the whole thing is where all these musicians (and many are quite good) go after their school days are over. Guess they become "audience" but certainly with some knowledge of the music. This can't be all bad. Dave Miller Miller Analog Studios |
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Carey Carlan wrote in message .202...
"Scott Chapin" wrote in : It was a blast. Must be your first year...........yeah. Been doing it for 6 years now. No more without money! :-) I've been doing it for about the same time, and, yes, I'm paid for the effort. It's just the "cognitive dissonance" of listening to what would be serious music (diluted versions of Finlandia and the New World Symphony) played by middle schoolers in a place slightly less noisy than an Irish bar on Saturday night. Carey et al: I've also been doing this sort of thing for about 5 years, but in very nice performing arts centers (every suburbian high school in our area has one of these now). Over an 8 day period every spring I and a couple associates (more than one school going at once) sit for 8-9 hours per day and listen (record) to a total of around 260 groups (over 10,000 kids) parading by in their best bib and tuckers, and in many cases playing some pretty fine music. Included are both Middle School and High School groups ranging from Symphonic and Concert Bands to Wind Ensembles and all the varieties of String Orchestras. They play three selections within 20 minutes for an audience of 3 judges and usually only a few intrepid parents and some of the other band kids. We record in two track stereo and immediately burn a CD which is literally almost handed to the director as he leaves the stage. Not quite - he gets it in a package which also includes the judges' reports and ratings and it takes them a few minutes after each performance to do this work. The pay is our standard on-location $60 per hour rate and well worth the effort although on about the 6th day one's attention span begins to get a bit shorter and the eyes start to droop after lunch. Of course any glitches in the gear can get your attention in a hurry since there are obviously no second chances. The other income producer is offering copies of the CD's for sale after the events are over. We do this for $4 each with no label in a paper sleeve. The better directors sometimes use booster funds to buy one for each kid in the band. Others just take orders from the kids/parents. Some (most) do nothing. The wonder of the whole thing is where all these musicians (and many are quite good) go after their school days are over. Guess they become "audience" but certainly with some knowledge of the music. This can't be all bad. Dave Miller Miller Analog Studios |
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In article ,
Carey Carlan wrote: Recorded the end-of-year concert for the symphony orchestra at the middle school today. Recording 11-13 year olds in a hundred piece orchestra is alway interesting, but the timing made this most unusual. They performed in the cafeteria immediately (as in 5 minutes) after lunch. So I recorded them over the noise of tables being folded, an indoor-size street sweeper scrubbing floors at the other end of the room, dishwashers (machines) running, dishwashers (people) shouting to be heard over that damn orchestra playing so close to the kitchen, freezers freezing and refrigerators refrigerating. It was a blast. I just recorded Les Miserables for the high school at which my wife teaches. I think I have about 50 hours into the project: recorded multitrack to DA-38 through a Soundcraft 200 Delta. Then mixed via D8B and Protools for editing/repairing. etc. Of course they need the 2-CD set replicated before the end of the school year. Some of it is surprisingly good, especially since the actual productions used 10 wireless mics they rented and they never got a full performance without losing several solos to malfunctions. The gunshots were fun: I now have impulse responses for a lousy-sounding "theater". -Jay -- x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x x-------- http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/~jay/ ----------x |
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In article ,
Carey Carlan wrote: Recorded the end-of-year concert for the symphony orchestra at the middle school today. Recording 11-13 year olds in a hundred piece orchestra is alway interesting, but the timing made this most unusual. They performed in the cafeteria immediately (as in 5 minutes) after lunch. So I recorded them over the noise of tables being folded, an indoor-size street sweeper scrubbing floors at the other end of the room, dishwashers (machines) running, dishwashers (people) shouting to be heard over that damn orchestra playing so close to the kitchen, freezers freezing and refrigerators refrigerating. It was a blast. I just recorded Les Miserables for the high school at which my wife teaches. I think I have about 50 hours into the project: recorded multitrack to DA-38 through a Soundcraft 200 Delta. Then mixed via D8B and Protools for editing/repairing. etc. Of course they need the 2-CD set replicated before the end of the school year. Some of it is surprisingly good, especially since the actual productions used 10 wireless mics they rented and they never got a full performance without losing several solos to malfunctions. The gunshots were fun: I now have impulse responses for a lousy-sounding "theater". -Jay -- x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x x-------- http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/~jay/ ----------x |
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Carey Carlan wrote in message .201... They performed in the cafeteria immediately (as in 5 minutes) after lunch. So I recorded them over the noise of tables being folded, an indoor-size street sweeper scrubbing floors at the other end of the room, dishwashers (machines) running, dishwashers (people) shouting to be heard over that damn orchestra playing so close to the kitchen, freezers freezing and refrigerators refrigerating. It was a blast. Seems the ideal venue for P.D.Q. Bach's "Concerto for Horn and Hardart." Willie K. Yee, M.D. http://users.bestweb.net/~wkyee Developer of Problem Knowledge Couplers for Psychiatry http://www.pkc.com Webmaster and Guitarist for the Big Blue Big Band http://www.bigbluebigband.org |
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Carey Carlan wrote in message .201... They performed in the cafeteria immediately (as in 5 minutes) after lunch. So I recorded them over the noise of tables being folded, an indoor-size street sweeper scrubbing floors at the other end of the room, dishwashers (machines) running, dishwashers (people) shouting to be heard over that damn orchestra playing so close to the kitchen, freezers freezing and refrigerators refrigerating. It was a blast. Seems the ideal venue for P.D.Q. Bach's "Concerto for Horn and Hardart." Willie K. Yee, M.D. http://users.bestweb.net/~wkyee Developer of Problem Knowledge Couplers for Psychiatry http://www.pkc.com Webmaster and Guitarist for the Big Blue Big Band http://www.bigbluebigband.org |
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Logan Shaw wrote:
Carey Carlan wrote: Recorded the end-of-year concert for the symphony orchestra at the middle school today. Recording 11-13 year olds in a hundred piece orchestra is alway interesting, but the timing made this most unusual. Yeah, that's about how middle school orchestra works: the timing is most unusual. Not to mention the tuning; that's usually unusual too. - Logan Middle schoolers do not have stratum one clocks. The hormones affect their perception of time something awful. -- Les Cargill |
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Logan Shaw wrote:
Carey Carlan wrote: Recorded the end-of-year concert for the symphony orchestra at the middle school today. Recording 11-13 year olds in a hundred piece orchestra is alway interesting, but the timing made this most unusual. Yeah, that's about how middle school orchestra works: the timing is most unusual. Not to mention the tuning; that's usually unusual too. - Logan Middle schoolers do not have stratum one clocks. The hormones affect their perception of time something awful. -- Les Cargill |
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Les Cargill wrote: Middle schoolers do not have stratum one clocks. The hormones affect their perception of time something awful. What on earth is a stratum one clock? Thanks, Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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Les Cargill wrote: Middle schoolers do not have stratum one clocks. The hormones affect their perception of time something awful. What on earth is a stratum one clock? Thanks, Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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Horn and Hardart! I used to eat there in NYC when I lived there in the 70's. Are they still around? Carlos |
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Horn and Hardart! I used to eat there in NYC when I lived there in the 70's. Are they still around? Carlos |
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Carey Carlan wrote in message .202...
(Dave Miller) wrote in om: snip We record in two track stereo and immediately burn a CD which is literally almost handed to the director as he leaves the stage. Not quite - he gets it in a package which also includes the judges' reports and ratings and it takes them a few minutes after each performance to do this work. The pay is our standard on-location $60 per hour rate and well worth the effort although on about the 6th day one's attention span begins to get a bit shorter and the eyes start to droop after lunch. Of course any glitches in the gear can get your attention in a hurry since there are obviously no second chances. The other income producer is offering copies of the CD's for sale after the events are over. It would seem to me that the best way to do this would be to record 2 CD's simultaneously, deliver one, and keep the other for dupes. That way you have a backup if the first one fails. How do you handle it? Carey: We handle it thusly: Bring our standard computers with burners, Cool Edit or whatever, Nero or whatever, record each of the three tunes, and save them using a code name for each group. Then burn the CD with the three tunes on separate tracks. Hand the CD to the site supervisor. Keep the files on the computers. Take them home and wait for orders for copies. When orders arrive, locate the necessary files using the code, burn the copies, mail to school director. Works like a charm (except on occasion, we get a code mixed up and send the director somebody else's band which they just love - particularly if the group is better than their's). We have never had a burn failure. Have had a few recording problems over the years when a computer glitch of some sort might occur just as the downbeat is being given. But this has been rare over the 5 year period we've been doing this sort of work. That's about it. There is one incongruity, though. I bring my U-47's to use as a spaced pair, but run them through one of those little tiny $69 Behringer mixers! Sound quality is very good, however, and orders of magnitude better than they used to get when the schools did the work themselves on cassette machines with whatever beat-up dynamic mics they had laying around. Regards, Dave |
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Carey Carlan wrote in message .202...
(Dave Miller) wrote in om: snip We record in two track stereo and immediately burn a CD which is literally almost handed to the director as he leaves the stage. Not quite - he gets it in a package which also includes the judges' reports and ratings and it takes them a few minutes after each performance to do this work. The pay is our standard on-location $60 per hour rate and well worth the effort although on about the 6th day one's attention span begins to get a bit shorter and the eyes start to droop after lunch. Of course any glitches in the gear can get your attention in a hurry since there are obviously no second chances. The other income producer is offering copies of the CD's for sale after the events are over. It would seem to me that the best way to do this would be to record 2 CD's simultaneously, deliver one, and keep the other for dupes. That way you have a backup if the first one fails. How do you handle it? Carey: We handle it thusly: Bring our standard computers with burners, Cool Edit or whatever, Nero or whatever, record each of the three tunes, and save them using a code name for each group. Then burn the CD with the three tunes on separate tracks. Hand the CD to the site supervisor. Keep the files on the computers. Take them home and wait for orders for copies. When orders arrive, locate the necessary files using the code, burn the copies, mail to school director. Works like a charm (except on occasion, we get a code mixed up and send the director somebody else's band which they just love - particularly if the group is better than their's). We have never had a burn failure. Have had a few recording problems over the years when a computer glitch of some sort might occur just as the downbeat is being given. But this has been rare over the 5 year period we've been doing this sort of work. That's about it. There is one incongruity, though. I bring my U-47's to use as a spaced pair, but run them through one of those little tiny $69 Behringer mixers! Sound quality is very good, however, and orders of magnitude better than they used to get when the schools did the work themselves on cassette machines with whatever beat-up dynamic mics they had laying around. Regards, Dave |
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Chris/Power Salad wrote in message . ..
On 21 May 2004 07:04:33 -0700, (Dave Miller) wrote: The other income producer is offering copies of the CD's for sale after the events are over. We do this for $4 each with no label in a paper sleeve. The better directors sometimes use booster funds to buy one for each kid in the band. Others just take orders from the kids/parents. Some (most) do nothing. Getting a little away from topic, sorry, do you get the licenses/pay the royalties on the copyrighted stuff you record? I'm relatively new at this as a business, and the established firm in this part of my state seems to harp on the fact that even tho these recordings are in effect "private"/vanity recordings and not in general release, they are still liable for the royalties and subject to penalties etc. if not paid...so I have adopted this and worked it into my pricing - and it is one PIA...has anyone ever mentioned this or made it an issue? This other firm actually lied to a prospective client about me saying that I didn't pay the royalties (when I did) - I got the job anyway. Do any of you who do this sort of work ever deal with this? Technically we are indeed required to pay royalties if CDs are duplicated, I just wonder how much "real world" it is done.....Thanks. Chris: We don't pay royalties on this sort of thing because the quantities are so low. We're only talking a few copies for a few groups here. It is not a big money maker for anyone. Primarily for the benefit of the kids and parents (to put in the pile along with the bronzed baby shoes!). Technically, of course, we should pay somebody something, but this whole process creates interest and many of the guys who write or arrange the charts used certainly want to keep the action going in that regard. Much more lucrative than collecting $.37 from a few CD's made of the performance. Dave |
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Bob Cain wrote:
Les Cargill wrote: Middle schoolers do not have stratum one clocks. The hormones affect their perception of time something awful. What on earth is a stratum one clock? http://www.ntp.org/ntpfaq/NTP-a-faq.htm Thanks, Bob -- Les Cargill |
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Bob Cain wrote:
Les Cargill wrote: Middle schoolers do not have stratum one clocks. The hormones affect their perception of time something awful. What on earth is a stratum one clock? http://www.ntp.org/ntpfaq/NTP-a-faq.htm Thanks, Bob -- Les Cargill |
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Les Cargill wrote: Bob Cain wrote: Les Cargill wrote: Middle schoolers do not have stratum one clocks. The hormones affect their perception of time something awful. What on earth is a stratum one clock? http://www.ntp.org/ntpfaq/NTP-a-faq.htm Oh. :-) Thanks, Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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Les Cargill wrote: Bob Cain wrote: Les Cargill wrote: Middle schoolers do not have stratum one clocks. The hormones affect their perception of time something awful. What on earth is a stratum one clock? http://www.ntp.org/ntpfaq/NTP-a-faq.htm Oh. :-) Thanks, Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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Carey Carlan wrote:
Recorded the end-of-year concert for the symphony orchestra at the middle school today. Recording 11-13 year olds in a hundred piece orchestra is alway interesting, but the timing made this most unusual. They performed in the cafeteria immediately (as in 5 minutes) after lunch. So I recorded them over the noise of tables being folded, an indoor-size street sweeper scrubbing floors at the other end of the room, dishwashers (machines) running, dishwashers (people) shouting to be heard over that damn orchestra playing so close to the kitchen, freezers freezing and refrigerators refrigerating. Ah, well there is at least one major Oeuvre that contains a part for a vacuum cleaner. It was a blast. I believe you. It must be great motivation for the musicians with that degree of respect from the school establishment. Kind regards Peter Larsen -- ******************************************* * My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk * ******************************************* |
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