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Recording High School Band - horns question
I recently attempted to record my son's smallish High School Band during a
football game. The Band was seated in a section of bleachers and I was at ground level in front of them. For mics I used two MXL2001 condensors oriented at 90 degrees from each other and spaced 6-8 inches apart. The mics were on an extension pole to get them up and in front of the band. At some points in the recording the high brass has some kind of phasing problem. The problem appears individually on each track, so I'm not just hearing a phase difference between the two tracks. Is this something that is commonly encountered when recording horns? I'm trying to figure out if the problem was something in my setup or if it is simply the interaction between closely tuned (but slightly off) instruments. -- Michael Ellis first initial last name at pesa commercial account |
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Recording High School Band - horns question
I recently attempted to record my son's smallish High School Band during a
football game. The Band was seated in a section of bleachers and I was at ground level in front of them. For mics I used two MXL2001 condensors oriented at 90 degrees from each other and spaced 6-8 inches apart. The mics were on an extension pole to get them up and in front of the band. At some points in the recording the high brass has some kind of phasing problem. The problem appears individually on each track, so I'm not just hearing a phase difference between the two tracks. Is this something that is commonly encountered when recording horns? I'm trying to figure out if the problem was something in my setup or if it is simply the interaction between closely tuned (but slightly off) instruments. More likely the latter. By the way, two questions, not necessarily related to the phasing problem. Were the microphones, spaced apart 6-8", pointed outwards? If not, they should be. (I've seen recordings made with microphones at 90 degrees, spaced, pointed *inwards*, and from this you get corned beef hash.) Second, did you have windscreens on the microphones? Peace, Paul |
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Recording High School Band - horns question
"P Stamler" wrote in message
... I recently attempted to record my son's smallish High School Band during a football game. The Band was seated in a section of bleachers and I was at ground level in front of them. For mics I used two MXL2001 condensors oriented at 90 degrees from each other and spaced 6-8 inches apart. The mics were on an extension pole to get them up and in front of the band. At some points in the recording the high brass has some kind of phasing problem. The problem appears individually on each track, so I'm not just hearing a phase difference between the two tracks. Is this something that is commonly encountered when recording horns? I'm trying to figure out if the problem was something in my setup or if it is simply the interaction between closely tuned (but slightly off) instruments. More likely the latter. By the way, two questions, not necessarily related to the phasing problem. Were the microphones, spaced apart 6-8", pointed outwards? If not, they should be. (I've seen recordings made with microphones at 90 degrees, spaced, pointed *inwards*, and from this you get corned beef hash.) Second, did you have windscreens on the microphones? Yes and yes. To mount the mics I used one of those adapters that you mount on a standard mic stand to hold two (or three if you mount a clip at the center) mics. I attached the mics using the shock mounts that came with them and used the windscreens that came with them as well (see http://www.zzounds.com/item--MSEPROPACK). The mics were turned outwards from each other at roughly 90 degrees total. I assumed that turning them inward would cause one mic to interfere with the other's pickup pattern. The more I think about the phasing problem the more that I think that you are right. The only thing that makes sense is comb filtering caused by slightly out of tune horns. -- Michael Ellis first initial last name at pesa commercial account |
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Recording High School Band - horns question
At some points in the recording the high brass has some kind of phasing
problem. Given the context of a high school band I'd say it was probably a pitch problem, nothing to do with phase. Scott Fraser |
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Recording High School Band - horns question
Michael W. Ellis wrote:
At some points in the recording the high brass has some kind of phasing problem. The problem appears individually on each track, so I'm not just hearing a phase difference between the two tracks. Is this something that is commonly encountered when recording horns? I'm trying to figure out if the problem was something in my setup or if it is simply the interaction between closely tuned (but slightly off) instruments. Was there a large flat surface nearby that would cause some reflection problems? Doing this stuff outdoors can be nightmarish because of slap echoes. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Recording High School Band - horns question
"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
... Michael W. Ellis wrote: At some points in the recording the high brass has some kind of phasing problem. The problem appears individually on each track, so I'm not just hearing a phase difference between the two tracks. Is this something that is commonly encountered when recording horns? I'm trying to figure out if the problem was something in my setup or if it is simply the interaction between closely tuned (but slightly off) instruments. Was there a large flat surface nearby that would cause some reflection problems? Doing this stuff outdoors can be nightmarish because of slap echoes. Nothing close by. -- Michael Ellis first initial last name at pesa commercial account |
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