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"Boon" wrote in message
On Nov 18, 6:57?pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Boon" wrote in message Make people believe that there is an afterlife where they will be judged, and they'll behave. Note that Marc makes an argument that says that Christians are behave better because they are worried about what their reward will be in the after life. Which says that non-believers like Marc have no reason to behave, and so Marc acts like he does. Actually, studies prove that atheists are more ethical in morally ambiguous situations than Christians. Note that Marc now contradicts his earlier assertion that Christians are behave better because they are worried about what their reward will be in the after life. It's another one of Marc's Boonie-facts. Not only that, but he's arguing with himself again. No documentation, no references, just another piece of wisdom from the "great man's" mouth. What a maroon! |
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"Boon" wrote in message
I have a habit of calling people liars when I don't understand what they're telling me. There, there now Marc. Isn't confession good for the soul? Oh, I forgot. You don't think you have a soul. Just another one of your lies and self-contradictions. |
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"Ian Mitchell" wrote in message
The reference to Jesus (Chrestus) that appears in Josephus, has long been accepted by scholars and theologins to be a forgery, inserted at a later date by 'honest' christian editor/s. You're obvioiusly a fool, Iain. Some so-called scholar some place has accepted just about every weird idea that anybody has some up with. Of course, your scholars have no names, are not published anywhere, and could easily be a figment of your mind. Or, you might even be one of those scholars who believes just about any idea that flies into your head, If you don't know this Arny, then you are simply not well enough read to debate the topic. Given that you have cited no sources, this would be an example of proof by means of bogus authority. If you had a brain, you'd know that this is no way to debate a topic like this. |
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On Nov 19, 5:58*am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Boon" wrote in message You have a habit of calling people liars when you don't understand what they're telling you. There, there now Marc. I want to mate with you. Confession is good for the soul! WTG, GOIA! We'll add you to the supporters of gay marriage on RAO. Thanks! |
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On Nov 19, 5:56*am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
No documentation, no references, just another piece of wisdom from the "great man's" mouth. Hm. That sounds a lot like Christianity. What a maroon! Your foot, your mouth. |
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"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in message On Nov 19, 5:56 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: No documentation, no references, just another piece of wisdom from the "great man's" mouth. Hm. That sounds a lot like Christianity. ****R, that just shows how ignorant you are of the literature of the Christian religion. The Christian religion is actually hugely documented, involves a huge number of different authors and source, supported by archeological evidence, and supported by excellent academic scholarship. It's kinda disappointing how poorly informed the local posse of hate-Christianity pundits really is. Not surprising though, you're no better on any other topic. |
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On Nov 19, 7:11*am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote in On Nov 19, 5:56 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: No documentation, no references, just another piece of wisdom from the "great man's" mouth. Hm. That sounds a lot like Christianity. ****R, that just shows how ignorant you are of the literature of the Christian religion. The Christian religion is actually hugely documented, involves a huge number of different authors and source, supported by archeological evidence, and supported by excellent academic scholarship. And none of it is contemporary with The Man. Oh, sure, Jeruselem existed then, GOIA, but the bible was written long after and by word of mouth. You are an atheist, GOIA. The difference is that I believe in one less god than you do. It's kinda disappointing how poorly informed the local posse of hate-Christianity pundits really is. I think Christianity is a beautiful thing, GOIA. You should try it sometime. Why not provide your proof, then, GOIA, and inform the ignorant masses? Here's your chance to prove that "faith" has nothing to do with it, and that you base your religious preference on scientific "proof"! Not surprising though, you're no better on any other topic. Uh-huh. Anyhow, go for it, GOIA! You might notch a conversion or two in your quest to enter heaven! Wouldn't that be *great*? |
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On 19 Noi, 05:26, "roughplanet" wrote:
"Ian Mitchell" wrote in message ... *"Arny Krueger" wrote in message m... "Boon" wrote in message "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote in messagenews: fbfc5847-7605-4194-905e That's what the Middiot's posse have managed to accomplish. If you consider the fact that they have even managed to drive off some very determined posters, such as Greg Singh, their accomplishments are truly something to consider. All of those poor people! And George totally destroyed their ability to discuss audio! You're a prime example, ****R. :-( Of course, there's no evidence that you ever could discuss audio. There's no evidence of God or Jesus, but that doesn't stop you from believing. So, Josephus, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, Paul, etc. were all lying? The reference to Jesus (Chrestus) that appears in Josephus, has long been accepted by scholars and theologians to be a forgery, inserted at a later date by 'honest' christian editor/s. If you don't know this Arny, then you are simply not well enough read to debate the topic. As for the other sources, written up to 100 years after the death of Jesus by people who never knew him, supposedly guided by a 'holy' spirit, well, as the reported words of Jesus himself make plain, 'By their fruits shall ye know them'. I suggest you widen your reading to bring yourself up to date, and you could do far worse than to start with 'The Unaurthorised Version" by Robin Lane Fox (a brilliant scholar known best for his seminal work on the life of Alexander *the Great). A warning!! if anything of your mind remains open, then your world is about to turn upside down. For someone who insists on.....no, demands scientific analysis on almost every point at issue on this & other newsgroups, Arny's willingness to believe in dubious anecdotes concerning the life & times of Jesus Christ is indeed a mystery, or at least, a case of the most glaring hypocrisy seen here. Not one historical fact, nor proof of the existence of Jesus Christ confirmable by science exists. Just anecdote after anecdote, which, given Arny's reluctance to accept them as a point of argument from anyone else, leaves his belief system high & dry, a bit like Noah's Ark. But I forgot.....there's no proof of that either, just a few more anecdotes which leaves believers quite a mountain to climb :-). Oh dear. ruff- the condensed version: floobydust |
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On 19 Noi, 07:01, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Ian Mitchell" wrote in message Some so-called scholar some place has accepted just about every weird idea that anybody has some up with. Like all the floobydust found in the Old and New Testaments |
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On 19 Noi, 08:11, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote in On Nov 19, 5:56 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: No documentation, no references, just another piece of wisdom from the "great man's" mouth. Hm. That sounds a lot like Christianity. ****R, that just shows how ignorant you are of the literature of the Christian religion. The Christian religion is actually hugely documented, involves a huge number of different authors and source, supported by archeological evidence, and supported by excellent academic scholarship. On such floobydust events as the virgin birth and resurrection, no doubt! |
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On Nov 19, 3:56�am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Boon" wrote in message On Nov 18, 6:57?pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Boon" wrote in message Make people believe that there is an afterlife where they will be judged, and they'll behave. Note that Marc makes an argument that says that Christians are behave better because they are worried about what their reward will be in the after life. Which says that non-believers like Marc have no reason to behave, and so Marc acts like he does. Actually, studies prove that atheists are more ethical in morally ambiguous situations than Christians. Note that Marc now contradicts his earlier assertion �that Christians are behave better because they are worried about what their reward will be in the after life. It's another one of Marc's Boonie-facts. Not only that, but he's arguing with himself again. No documentation, no references, just another piece of wisdom from the "great man's" mouth. What a maroon! I'm not surprised that you, a Christian, are having trouble understanding this since this is the very basis of Christ. In fact, many theologians believe this is why Jesus Christ came along...it was simply too difficult for people to comply with the Ten Commandments. (In other words, the invincible and supposedly perfect God was wrong again and had to send his son down to fix everything by dying for our sins...a rather bizarre solution.) There is no contradiction. It's simply that Christians are unable to comply to their own laws and standards. That's why hypocrisy is so rampant among Christians. The fact that you continually bear false witness against your neighbors confirm this. Boon |
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On Nov 19, 3:58�am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Boon" wrote in message YouI have a habit of calling people liars when you don't understand what they're telling me. There, there now Marc. Isn't confession good for the soul? You tell me. Besides, God doesn't fall for your cheap parlor tricks, and neither does anyone else here. When you edit other people's words and try to pass it off as the original, that's a lie. That's another Commandment broken. Are you sure other Christians want you to speak for them? Oh, I forgot. You don't think you have a soul. That's not true, either. Show where I said I don't think I have a soul. Just another one of your lies and self-contradictions. Nope. Just another example of how dumb you are. A smart person says, "I don't undersatnd what you are saying." A dumb person interprets things he doesn't understand as lies. Boon |
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On Nov 19, 4:01�am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Ian Mitchell" wrote in message The reference to Jesus (Chrestus) that appears in Josephus, has long been accepted by scholars and theologins to be a forgery, inserted at a later date by 'honest' christian editor/s. You're obvioiusly a fool, Iain. Some so-called scholar some place has accepted just about every weird idea that anybody has some up with. But you believe in the Bible becuase 70 scholars got together and edited the text. LOL! Boon |
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On Nov 19, 4:21�am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote: On Nov 19, 5:56�am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: No documentation, no references, just another piece of wisdom from the "great man's" mouth. Hm. That sounds a lot like Christianity. What a maroon! Your foot, your mouth. It's amazing just how dramatic Arny's implosion is. I knew if we got him to argue religion that he'd look like an absolute idiot. The added bonus is that we're effectively attacking his belief system and making him incredibly upset and defensive. Boon |
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On Nov 19, 5:11�am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote in On Nov 19, 5:56 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: No documentation, no references, just another piece of wisdom from the "great man's" mouth. Hm. That sounds a lot like Christianity. ****R, that just shows how ignorant you are of the literature of the Christian religion. The Christian religion is actually hugely documented, involves a huge number of different authors and source, supported by archeological evidence, and supported by excellent academic scholarship. It's kinda disappointing how poorly informed the local posse of hate-Christianity pundits really is. Not surprising though, you're no better on any other topic. What evidence? Boon |
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On Nov 19, 5:54�am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote: On Nov 19, 7:11�am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote in On Nov 19, 5:56 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: No documentation, no references, just another piece of wisdom from the "great man's" mouth. Hm. That sounds a lot like Christianity. ****R, that just shows how ignorant you are of the literature of the Christian religion. The Christian religion is actually hugely documented, involves a huge number of different authors and source, supported by archeological evidence, and supported by excellent academic scholarship. And none of it is contemporary with The Man. Oh, sure, Jeruselem existed then, GOIA, but the bible was written long after and by word of mouth. You are an atheist, GOIA. The difference is that I believe in one less god than you do. It's kinda disappointing how poorly informed the local posse of hate-Christianity pundits really is. I think Christianity is a beautiful thing, GOIA. You should try it sometime. That reminds me of Mahatma Gandhi's thoughts on Christianity: "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." When you look at what Jesus said in the Gospels, it's some really beautiful and enlightened stuff. Too bad the rest of the Bible is such crap, and that Christians like Arny are so full of hate. Boon |
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On Nov 19, 6:00�am, Clyde Slick wrote:
On 19 Noi, 08:11, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote in On Nov 19, 5:56 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: No documentation, no references, just another piece of wisdom from the "great man's" mouth. Hm. That sounds a lot like Christianity. ****R, that just shows how ignorant you are of the literature of the Christian religion. The Christian religion is actually hugely documented, involves a huge number of different authors and source, supported by archeological evidence, and supported by excellent academic scholarship. On such floobydust events as the virgin birth and resurrection, no doubt! That's right. If Christ knew he was going to be resurrected, it wasn't really that big of a sacrifice! As a Christian, I'd feel gypped. Boon |
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Boon said: You don't think you have a soul. That's not true, either. Show where I said I don't think I have a soul. Actually, the soul notion isn't unique to christianity. It exists in most religions and philosophies. The uniquely christian part is that the soul can survive death and go to "heaven" or "hell", where magical angels convince the soul that it's experiencing pleasure or pain even though it's disembodied. It's all very sceieicnntititffik. Just ask Arnii. ;-) |
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On Nov 19, 4:20�am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote: On Nov 19, 5:58�am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Boon" wrote in message You have a habit of calling people liars when you don't understand what they're telling you. There, there now Marc. I want to mate with you. Confession is good for the soul! WTG, GOIA! We'll add you to the supporters of gay marriage on RAO. Thanks! Arny has only had sex with one person in his entire life. I can see why he would want to branch out. Boon |
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On Nov 19, 8:00*am, Clyde Slick wrote:
On 19 Noi, 08:11, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" On Nov 19, 5:56 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: No documentation, no references, just another piece of wisdom from the "great man's" mouth. Hm. That sounds a lot like Christianity. ****R, that just shows how ignorant you are of the literature of the Christian religion. The Christian religion is actually hugely documented, involves a huge number of different authors and source, supported by archeological evidence, and supported by excellent academic scholarship. On such floobydust events as the virgin birth and resurrection, no doubt! And GOIA is such an excellent proponent of it that he calls people "Middiot" and "****R". Just like Jesus would have! GOIA is proof positive of one thing: you don't have to read (or believe in) the bible to be a "Christian". LOL! |
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On Nov 19, 8:52*am, Boon wrote:
On Nov 19, 4:21 am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote: On Nov 19, 5:56 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: No documentation, no references, just another piece of wisdom from the "great man's" mouth. Hm. That sounds a lot like Christianity. What a maroon! Your foot, your mouth. It's amazing just how dramatic Arny's implosion is. *I knew if we got him to argue religion that he'd look like an absolute idiot. *The added bonus is that we're effectively attacking his belief system and making him incredibly upset and defensive. Despite all of GOIA's claims to the contrary (he posts with minimal effort here to troll) I'd say he's related to James Brown: "The hardest working man in show business!" LOL! |
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On Nov 19, 8:46*am, Boon wrote:
There is no contradiction. *It's simply that Christians are unable to comply to their own laws and standards. *That's why hypocrisy is so rampant among Christians. *The fact that you continually bear false witness against your neighbors confirm this. Go easy on him, Boon. GOIA's insanity may have something to do with this. |
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On Nov 19, 9:11*am, Boon wrote:
On Nov 19, 4:20 am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote: On Nov 19, 5:58 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Boon" wrote in message You have a habit of calling people liars when you don't understand what they're telling you. There, there now Marc. I want to mate with you. Confession is good for the soul! WTG, GOIA! We'll add you to the supporters of gay marriage on RAO. Thanks! Arny has only had sex with one person in his entire life. *I can see why he would want to branch out. If GOIA wants to argue like a second-grader, I want to help him. GOIA may be creeping toward violence. I don't want to read about his family in the paper. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Ian Mitchell" wrote in message The reference to Jesus (Chrestus) that appears in Josephus, has long been accepted by scholars and theologins to be a forgery, inserted at a later date by 'honest' christian editor/s. You're obvioiusly a fool, Iain. Oh dear. Any is locked into perpetual spelling error mode. He continually mis-spells my own name (Iain ) as Ian and now mis-spells Ian Mitchell's frst name as Iain. Or maybe he does not realise we are two different people? It would not be the first time he has been confused in this way :-) There really is no hope for the illiterate Detroit baptist :-( Iain |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Ian Mitchell" wrote in message The reference to Jesus (Chrestus) that appears in Josephus, has long been accepted by scholars and theologins to be a forgery, inserted at a later date by 'honest' christian editor/s. You're obvioiusly a fool, Iain. Some so-called scholar some place has accepted just about every weird idea that anybody has some up with. Of course, your scholars have no names, are not published anywhere, and could easily be a figment of your mind. Or, you might even be one of those scholars who believes just about any idea that flies into your head, If you don't know this Arny, then you are simply not well enough read to debate the topic. Given that you have cited no sources, this would be an example of proof by means of bogus authority. If you had a brain, you'd know that this is no way to debate a topic like this. You are clearly old enough to know everything Arny and it's difficult dealing with a bigot, but lets limit our sources to the one you're happy with. Why don't you go look up the following references and get back to me. Jesus's pedigree Matthew 1:17 There were twenty-eight generations from David to Jesus Luke 3:23-31 There were forty-two generations (not even the same names!) Matthew 1:16 The lineage of Jesus is traced through Davd's son, Solomon Luke 3:23 The lineage is traced through David's son Nathan Luke and Matthew both state that the Holy Ghost was Jesus' father eleswhere they both state that Joseph was Jesus's father Matthew 1:20 The angel spoke to Joseph Luke 1:28 The angel spoke to Mary Matthew 1:18-21 The annunciation occurred after Mary had concieved. Luke 1:27-32 It occurred before conception Holy Spirit inconsistancies Mark 1:14 Jesus began his ministry after the arrest of John the Baptist John 3:22-24 Before it Luke 1:15 John the Baptist had the Holy Spirit from before his birth, six months before the birth of Jesus Luke 11:13 The Holy Spirit is obtained by prayer, presumably at any time but wait!! John 7:39 The Holy Spirit cannot come into the world until after Jesus has departed. John 16:7 As above Acts 1:3-5 As above There is lots more Arny when you get through that lot. The problem with all of this, is that it is being fed to us as the Word of God, dispensed by The Holy Spirit. It appears God may be in need of a proof-reader |
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A study in public ignorance of Christian thology.
"Ian Mitchell" wrote in message
You are clearly old enough to know everything Arny Oh, another know-it-all without any self-awareness. and it's difficult dealing with a bigot, ...but I'll try to be polite. but lets limit our sources to the one you're happy with. Why don't you go look up the following references and get back to me. Jesus's pedigree Matthew 1:17 There were twenty-eight generations from David to Jesus Wrong: (New International Version) 17 "Thus there were fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Christ.[b]" Anybody who can add will add 14+14+14 and get 42. Luke 3:23-31 There were forty-two generations (not even the same names!) Hmm, 42 = 42. Next! Matthew 1:16 The lineage of Jesus is traced through Davd's son, Not in Matt 1:16. Matt 1:16 (NIV) "16 and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ." Next! Solomon Luke 3:23 The lineage is traced through David's son Nathan Actual contents of Luke 3:23: 23Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, Next! Luke and Matthew both state that the Holy Ghost was Jesus' father eleswhere they both state that Joseph was Jesus's father You need to update your knowlege of Christian theology. Christian theology states that Jesus was both wholly God and wholly Man. Thus there is no inconsistency, since Jesus was therefore both wholly the son of Joseph and the son of God in the identity of the Holy Spirit. Next! Matthew 1:20 The angel spoke to Joseph Luke 1:28 The angel spoke to Mary Matthew 1:18-21 The annunciation occurred after Mary had concieved. Luke 1:27-32 It occurred before conception ????? Just fragments, nothing to comment on. Holy Spirit inconsistancies Mark 1:14 Jesus began his ministry after the arrest of John the Baptist John 3:22-24 Before it Luke 1:15 John the Baptist had the Holy Spirit from before his birth, six months before the birth of Jesus Luke 11:13 The Holy Spirit is obtained by prayer, presumably at any time but wait!! John 7:39 The Holy Spirit cannot come into the world until after Jesus has departed. Actually it says: John 7:39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified. The proper interpretation is that while the Holy Spirit had been helping men since early in the Old Testiment, he did not start his post-crucifixion ministry with the Apostles until Penticost. Next! John 16:7 As above Next! Acts 1:3-5 As above Next! There is lots more Arny when you get through that lot. Your ignorance of Christianity and Christian theology is rather obvious. The problem with all of this, is that it is being fed to us as the Word of God, dispensed by The Holy Spirit. It appears God may be in need of a proof-reader It appears that if ignorance is bliss, you're one of he happiest people I've ever known! |
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A study in public ignorance of Christian thology.
On 20 Noi, 06:52, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
Actually it says: John 7:39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified. The proper interpretation is that while the Holy Spirit had been helping men since early in the Old Testiment, he did not start his post-crucifixion ministry with the Apostles until Penticost. Your ignorance of Christianity and Christian theology is rather obvious. Arny "knows" Christianity and its "theology" as well as he "knows" audio. Next up, ask him to explain'the rational scientific basis of the Holy Spirit. |
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A study in public ignorance of Christian thology.
On 20 Noi, 06:52, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Ian Mitchell" wrote in message You are clearly old enough to know everything Arny Oh, another know-it-all without any self-awareness. and it's difficult dealing with a bigot, ..but I'll try to be polite. but lets limit our sources to the one you're happy with. Why don't you go look up the following references and get back to me. *Jesus's pedigree Matthew 1:17 There were twenty-eight generations from David to Jesus Wrong: (New International Version) 17 "Thus there were fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Christ.[b]" Anybody who can add will add 14+14+14 and get 42. Luke 3:23-31 There were forty-two generations (not even the same names!) Hmm, 42 = 42. Next! Matthew 1:16 The lineage of Jesus is traced through Davd's son, Not in Matt 1:16. Matt 1:16 (NIV) "16 and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ." Next! Solomon Luke 3:23 The lineage is traced through David's son Nathan Actual contents of Luke 3:23: *23Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, Next! Luke and Matthew both state that the Holy Ghost was Jesus' father eleswhere they both state that Joseph was Jesus's father You need to update your knowlege of Christian theology. Christian theology states that Jesus was both wholly God and wholly Man. *Thus there is no inconsistency, since Jesus was therefore both wholly the son of Joseph and the son of God in the identity of the Holy Spirit. Next! Matthew 1:20 The angel spoke to Joseph Luke 1:28 The angel spoke to Mary Matthew 1:18-21 The annunciation occurred after Mary had concieved. Luke 1:27-32 It occurred before conception ????? Just fragments, nothing to comment on. Holy Spirit inconsistancies Mark 1:14 Jesus began his ministry after the arrest of John the Baptist John 3:22-24 Before it Luke 1:15 John the Baptist had the Holy Spirit from before his birth, six months before the birth of Jesus Luke 11:13 The Holy Spirit is obtained by prayer, presumably at any time but wait!! John 7:39 The Holy Spirit cannot come into the world until after Jesus has departed. Actually it says: John 7:39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified. The proper interpretation is that while the Holy Spirit had been helping men since early in the Old Testiment, he did not start his post-crucifixion ministry with the Apostles until Penticost. Next! John 16:7 As above Next! Acts 1:3-5 As above Next! There is lots more Arny when you get through that lot. Your ignorance of Christianity and Christian theology is rather obvious. The problem with all of this, is that it is being fed to us as the Word of God, dispensed by The Holy Spirit. It appears God may be in need of a proof-reader It appears that if ignorance is bliss, you're one of he happiest people I've ever known! This is predcious, we have Arny presenting Biblical floobydust events, Biblical floobydust concepts like the Holy Sprit and Biblical flooby dust people as actually being "real" Prove that Jesus existed, even as a man Prove that Luke existed Priove that Mathew existed Prove that there exists such a thing as the Holy Spirit Prove that abraham existed Prove that David existed Prove that Solomon existed 'Priove that Nathan existed Prove that Mary existed Prove that Joseph existed Prove that there was an exile form Babylon Prove that Jacob existed Proive that Jesus was crucified Prove that angels exist Prove that angels speak to people Prove that God exists. And much thanks to Iain for skilllfully eliciting from Arny all of these floobydust arguments |
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On Nov 20, 4:59�am, Clyde Slick wrote:
On 20 Noi, 06:52, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Ian Mitchell" wrote in message You are clearly old enough to know everything Arny Oh, another know-it-all without any self-awareness. and it's difficult dealing with a bigot, ..but I'll try to be polite. but lets limit our sources to the one you're happy with. Why don't you go look up the following references and get back to me. �Jesus's pedigree Matthew 1:17 There were twenty-eight generations from David to Jesus Wrong: (New International Version) 17 "Thus there were fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Christ.[b]" Anybody who can add will add 14+14+14 and get 42. Luke 3:23-31 There were forty-two generations (not even the same names!) Hmm, 42 = 42. Next! Matthew 1:16 The lineage of Jesus is traced through Davd's son, Not in Matt 1:16. Matt 1:16 (NIV) "16 and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ." Next! Solomon Luke 3:23 The lineage is traced through David's son Nathan Actual contents of Luke 3:23: �23Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, Next! Luke and Matthew both state that the Holy Ghost was Jesus' father eleswhere they both state that Joseph was Jesus's father You need to update your knowlege of Christian theology. Christian theology states that Jesus was both wholly God and wholly Man. �Thus there is no inconsistency, since Jesus was therefore both wholly the son of Joseph and the son of God in the identity of the Holy Spirit. Next! Matthew 1:20 The angel spoke to Joseph Luke 1:28 The angel spoke to Mary Matthew 1:18-21 The annunciation occurred after Mary had concieved. Luke 1:27-32 It occurred before conception ????? Just fragments, nothing to comment on. Holy Spirit inconsistancies Mark 1:14 Jesus began his ministry after the arrest of John the Baptist John 3:22-24 Before it Luke 1:15 John the Baptist had the Holy Spirit from before his birth, six months before the birth of Jesus Luke 11:13 The Holy Spirit is obtained by prayer, presumably at any time but wait!! John 7:39 The Holy Spirit cannot come into the world until after Jesus has departed. Actually it says: John 7:39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified. The proper interpretation is that while the Holy Spirit had been helping men since early in the Old Testiment, he did not start his post-crucifixion ministry with the Apostles until Penticost. Next! John 16:7 As above Next! Acts 1:3-5 As above Next! There is lots more Arny when you get through that lot. Your ignorance of Christianity and Christian theology is rather obvious.. The problem with all of this, is that it is being fed to us as the Word of God, dispensed by The Holy Spirit. It appears God may be in need of a proof-reader It appears that if ignorance is bliss, you're one of he happiest people I've ever known! This is predcious, we have Arny presenting Biblical floobydust events, Biblical floobydust concepts like the Holy Sprit and Biblical flooby dust people as actually being "real" Prove that Jesus existed, even as a man Prove that Luke existed Priove that Mathew existed Prove that there exists such a thing as the Holy Spirit Prove that abraham existed Prove that David existed Prove that Solomon existed 'Priove that Nathan existed Prove that Mary existed Prove that Joseph existed Prove that there was an exile form Babylon Prove that Jacob existed Proive that Jesus was crucified Prove that angels exist Prove that angels speak to people Prove that God exists. And much thanks to Iain for skilllfully eliciting from Arny all of these floobydust arguments- Hide quoted text - There is some evidence of historical Jesus. The funny thing was that he was a carpenter who was commissioned to build crosses for the Romans. That, of course, is explored in "The Last Temptation of Christ" by Nikos Kazantzakis, who noted the vast differences between the Biblical legend and the actual man who walked the earth. By the way, if this was a court case and Arny was the lawyer for the defense, God would fire him and ask for someone more competent...like a child fresh out of Sunday School. How disgusting it is to watch a horrible, unenlightened sinner like Arny try to pass himself off as a religious expert. Boon |
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On 20 Noi, 06:52, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
Arny, when you renamed the header, you made a spelling error it should read "Christian Foology" not "Christian Thology" |
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On Nov 20, 3:52�am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
It appears that if ignorance is bliss, you're one of he happiest people I've ever known! This from the guy who described himself as a happy man a few days ago. Now we get it. LOL! Boon |
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On 20 Noi, 09:47, Boon wrote:
On Nov 20, 4:59 am, Clyde Slick wrote: On 20 Noi, 06:52, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Ian Mitchell" wrote in message You are clearly old enough to know everything Arny Oh, another know-it-all without any self-awareness. and it's difficult dealing with a bigot, ..but I'll try to be polite. but lets limit our sources to the one you're happy with. Why don't you go look up the following references and get back to me. Jesus's pedigree Matthew 1:17 There were twenty-eight generations from David to Jesus Wrong: (New International Version) 17 "Thus there were fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Christ.[b]" Anybody who can add will add 14+14+14 and get 42. Luke 3:23-31 There were forty-two generations (not even the same names!) Hmm, 42 = 42. Next! Matthew 1:16 The lineage of Jesus is traced through Davd's son, Not in Matt 1:16. Matt 1:16 (NIV) "16 and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ." Next! Solomon Luke 3:23 The lineage is traced through David's son Nathan Actual contents of Luke 3:23: 23Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, Next! Luke and Matthew both state that the Holy Ghost was Jesus' father eleswhere they both state that Joseph was Jesus's father You need to update your knowlege of Christian theology. Christian theology states that Jesus was both wholly God and wholly Man. Thus there is no inconsistency, since Jesus was therefore both wholly the son of Joseph and the son of God in the identity of the Holy Spirit. Next! Matthew 1:20 The angel spoke to Joseph Luke 1:28 The angel spoke to Mary Matthew 1:18-21 The annunciation occurred after Mary had concieved. Luke 1:27-32 It occurred before conception ????? Just fragments, nothing to comment on. Holy Spirit inconsistancies Mark 1:14 Jesus began his ministry after the arrest of John the Baptist John 3:22-24 Before it Luke 1:15 John the Baptist had the Holy Spirit from before his birth, six months before the birth of Jesus Luke 11:13 The Holy Spirit is obtained by prayer, presumably at any time but wait!! John 7:39 The Holy Spirit cannot come into the world until after Jesus has departed. Actually it says: John 7:39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified. The proper interpretation is that while the Holy Spirit had been helping men since early in the Old Testiment, he did not start his post-crucifixion ministry with the Apostles until Penticost. Next! John 16:7 As above Next! Acts 1:3-5 As above Next! There is lots more Arny when you get through that lot. Your ignorance of Christianity and Christian theology is rather obvious. The problem with all of this, is that it is being fed to us as the Word of God, dispensed by The Holy Spirit. It appears God may be in need of a proof-reader It appears that if ignorance is bliss, you're one of he happiest people I've ever known! This is predcious, we have Arny presenting Biblical floobydust events, Biblical floobydust concepts like the Holy Sprit and Biblical flooby dust people as actually being "real" Prove that Jesus existed, even as a man Prove that Luke existed Priove that Mathew existed Prove that there exists such a thing as the Holy Spirit Prove that abraham existed Prove that David existed Prove that Solomon existed 'Priove that Nathan existed Prove that Mary existed Prove that Joseph existed Prove that there was an exile form Babylon Prove that Jacob existed Proive that Jesus was crucified Prove that angels exist Prove that angels speak to people Prove that God exists. And much thanks to Iain for skilllfully eliciting from Arny all of these floobydust arguments- Hide quoted text - There is some evidence of historical Jesus. The funny thing was that he was a carpenter who was commissioned to build crosses for the Romans. That, of course, is explored in "The Last Temptation of Christ" by Nikos Kazantzakis, who noted the vast differences between the Biblical legend and the actual man who walked the earth. By the way, if this was a court case and Arny was the lawyer for the defense, God would fire him and ask for someone more competent...like a child fresh out of Sunday School. *How disgusting it is to watch a horrible, unenlightened sinner like Arny try to pass himself off as a religious expert. Boon- I can see why Arny is so smitten with Jesus If Jesus were alive twenty five years ago, he would have commissioned by Chrysler to build ashtrays for Omnis. And in todays world, Arny aches to be nailed to the cross by the posse of Middius (note the Roman spelling) |
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Here's a better example of one of the inconsistencies of the Bible.
I'm sure Arny will find the right version to explain this discrepancy. I've asked clergymen to explain this, and they've never failed to supply a totally ludicrous, bull**** answer: Adam and Eve were the first two people on the Earth. They had two children named Cain and Abel. Cain kills Abel. God banishes Cain from the Garden of Eden and tells him he has to walk the earth, just like Caine in "Kung Fu." Cain complains that everyone who sees him will want to kill him, so God puts a mark on him to protect him. The question is...who is "everyone"? At this point, there are only three people on the face of the earth. Who are all these indigenous people Cain might encounter? The stock answer is often something like "Many theologians believe that after the Garden of Eden, God started placing people all over the earth." Unfortunately, the Bible does not state this. Seems like kind of an important detail to forget. Other clergymen have actually said, "You need to have faith, and God has provided these mysteries to test it." WTF? Is that like the whole dinosaur thing? Stupid people will go a long way to avoid admitting they were wrong. In that respect, Arny is a good Christian. Boon |
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On Nov 20, 6:55�am, Clyde Slick wrote:
On 20 Noi, 09:47, Boon wrote: On Nov 20, 4:59 am, Clyde Slick wrote: On 20 Noi, 06:52, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Ian Mitchell" wrote in message You are clearly old enough to know everything Arny Oh, another know-it-all without any self-awareness. and it's difficult dealing with a bigot, ..but I'll try to be polite. but lets limit our sources to the one you're happy with. Why don't you go look up the following references and get back to me. Jesus's pedigree Matthew 1:17 There were twenty-eight generations from David to Jesus Wrong: (New International Version) 17 "Thus there were fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Christ.[b]" Anybody who can add will add 14+14+14 and get 42. Luke 3:23-31 There were forty-two generations (not even the same names!) Hmm, 42 = 42. Next! Matthew 1:16 The lineage of Jesus is traced through Davd's son, Not in Matt 1:16. Matt 1:16 (NIV) "16 and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ." Next! Solomon Luke 3:23 The lineage is traced through David's son Nathan Actual contents of Luke 3:23: 23Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, Next! Luke and Matthew both state that the Holy Ghost was Jesus' father eleswhere they both state that Joseph was Jesus's father You need to update your knowlege of Christian theology. Christian theology states that Jesus was both wholly God and wholly Man. Thus there is no inconsistency, since Jesus was therefore both wholly the son of Joseph and the son of God in the identity of the Holy Spirit. Next! Matthew 1:20 The angel spoke to Joseph Luke 1:28 The angel spoke to Mary Matthew 1:18-21 The annunciation occurred after Mary had concieved. Luke 1:27-32 It occurred before conception ????? Just fragments, nothing to comment on. Holy Spirit inconsistancies Mark 1:14 Jesus began his ministry after the arrest of John the Baptist John 3:22-24 Before it Luke 1:15 John the Baptist had the Holy Spirit from before his birth, six months before the birth of Jesus Luke 11:13 The Holy Spirit is obtained by prayer, presumably at any time but wait!! John 7:39 The Holy Spirit cannot come into the world until after Jesus has departed. Actually it says: John 7:39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified. The proper interpretation is that while the Holy Spirit had been helping men since early in the Old Testiment, he did not start his post-crucifixion ministry with the Apostles until Penticost. Next! John 16:7 As above Next! Acts 1:3-5 As above Next! There is lots more Arny when you get through that lot. Your ignorance of Christianity and Christian theology is rather obvious. The problem with all of this, is that it is being fed to us as the Word of God, dispensed by The Holy Spirit. It appears God may be in need of a proof-reader It appears that if ignorance is bliss, you're one of he happiest people I've ever known! This is predcious, we have Arny presenting Biblical floobydust events, Biblical floobydust concepts like the Holy Sprit and Biblical flooby dust people as actually being "real" Prove that Jesus existed, even as a man Prove that Luke existed Priove that Mathew existed Prove that there exists such a thing as the Holy Spirit Prove that abraham existed Prove that David existed Prove that Solomon existed 'Priove that Nathan existed Prove that Mary existed Prove that Joseph existed Prove that there was an exile form Babylon Prove that Jacob existed Proive that Jesus was crucified Prove that angels exist Prove that angels speak to people Prove that God exists. And much thanks to Iain for skilllfully eliciting from Arny all of these floobydust arguments- Hide quoted text - There is some evidence of historical Jesus. The funny thing was that he was a carpenter who was commissioned to build crosses for the Romans. That, of course, is explored in "The Last Temptation of Christ" by Nikos Kazantzakis, who noted the vast differences between the Biblical legend and the actual man who walked the earth. By the way, if this was a court case and Arny was the lawyer for the defense, God would fire him and ask for someone more competent...like a child fresh out of Sunday School. �How disgusting it is to watch a horrible, unenlightened sinner like Arny try to pass himself off as a religious expert. Boon- I can see why Arny is so smitten with Jesus If Jesus were alive twenty five years ago, Wait, hold on...Jesus was alive 25 years ago. Jesus Lives, Art! Didn't you know? Boon |
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"Boon" wrote in message ... There is some evidence of historical Jesus. Agreed. There i¨s more tat evidence. There is historical fact Those of us who had the (mis)fortune to read Latin and in particular Roman history, as a part of the education process, will be aquainted with Jesus, who was regarded by the Romas at that time as little more than a political agitator. At his crucifixion, he was mockingly given the title "Iesvs Nazarenvs Rex Ivdaeorvm" (Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews) by Pontius Pilate, who was Roman governor of Judea from 26 to 36AD, during the reign of the Emperor Tiberius. How disgusting it is to watch a horrible, unenlightened sinner like Arny try to pass himself off as a religious expert. Agreed :-) Iain |
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"Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... On 20 Noi, 06:52, "Arny Krueger" wrote: Arny, when you renamed the header, you made a spelling error it should read "Christian Foology" not "Christian Thology" Your education is sadly lacking :-) Arny is of course refering to the gread god Thol, to whom he prays for cheap microphones and inexpensive Baptist tambourine repairs. Iain |
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"Boon" wrote in message ... Here's a better example of one of the inconsistencies of the Bible. I'm sure Arny will find the right version to explain this discrepancy. I've asked clergymen to explain this, and they've never failed to supply a totally ludicrous, bull**** answer: Adam and Eve were the first two people on the Earth. They had two children named Cain and Abel. Cain kills Abel. God banishes Cain from the Garden of Eden and tells him he has to walk the earth, just like Caine in "Kung Fu." Cain complains that everyone who sees him will want to kill him, so God puts a mark on him to protect him. The question is...who is "everyone"? At this point, there are only three people on the face of the earth. Who are all these indigenous people Cain might encounter? Where do you think rabbits got the idea from about breeding ;-) Cheers TT |
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"Iain Churches" wrote in message .fi... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... On 20 Noi, 06:52, "Arny Krueger" wrote: Arny, when you renamed the header, you made a spelling error it should read "Christian Foology" not "Christian Thology" Your education is sadly lacking :-) Arny is of course refering to the gread god Thol, to whom he prays for cheap microphones and inexpensive Baptist tambourine repairs. Iain Thol?? Isn't that the brother of the Norse God Thor? Cheers TT |
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On Nov 20, 7:17�am, "TT" wrote:
"Boon" wrote in message ... Here's a better example of one of the inconsistencies of the Bible. I'm sure Arny will find the right version to explain this discrepancy. �I've asked clergymen to explain this, and they've never failed to supply a totally ludicrous, bull**** answer: Adam and Eve were the first two people on the Earth. They had two children named Cain and Abel. �Cain kills Abel. �God banishes Cain from the Garden of Eden and tells him he has to walk the earth, just like Caine in "Kung Fu." �Cain complains that everyone who sees him will want to kill him, so God puts a mark on him to protect him. The question is...who is "everyone"? �At this point, there are only three people on the face of the earth. �Who are all these indigenous people Cain might encounter? Where do you think rabbits got the idea from about breeding ;-) Well, I've heard the explanation that Adam and Eve had a ton of children, and that Cain was worried about his little brothers and sisters coming to avenge their brother's death. In other words, God just started this whole "Earth" thing, there were only a handful of people on the planet, and already they were planning vendettas and engaging in fratricide. You'd think that if God was wise and full of love, he wouldn't have started off with this band of violent assholes. Boon |
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