On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 08:23:11 +0000 (UTC), (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 14:10:38 -0600, dave weil
wrote:

On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 19:56:49 +0000 (UTC), (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

Well, anyone would explain it better than Gorge. Most of us would
simply refer to the inner grooves of the same 12" LP..............

How would *that* explain anything?

Oh, well, I guess some people never understand even the simplest of
explanations...

I guess not. Maybe you could have referred to the type of vinyl.

On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 05:23:32 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message

On 06 Jan 2004 04:04:43 GMT, (Nousaine) wrote:

"Michael McKelvy" wrote:




"Arny Krueger" wrote in message


"Michael McKelvy" wrote

1994: 71,040
1995: 79,332
1996: 85,808
1997: 87,219
1998: 83,921
1999: 85,224
2000: 91,384
2001: 84,987
2002: 82,932
2003: 81,668

Tell me if I'm wrong, but don't these figures say that the
magazine's circulation is shrinking?

Looks clearly like the magazine was 'growing' for a few years and
has fallen back to the levels that Mr Atkinson has said were the
peak years of the audio industry in the mid-90s.

And it seems clear that subscription has been falling over the past
3 years.

What's to argue over?

Maybe the fact that there are now TWO separate magazines maybe?

There had been two separate magazines for years and years before the
fall-off.

So? As you pointed out, one of them started at the beginning of this
list of years. At that time, HT was becoming popular. In the
intervening years, the demand for it has exploded, wouldn't you say? I
don't think that you can talk about the decline of Stereophile without
factoring in the sales of both magazines, since the other magazine is
just Stereophile focusing on a different (and more successful from a
volume standpoint) niche of the market. IOW, if they had made the
magazine bigger and included all of their coverage of HT in it, would
we be seeing this decline? I don't think so.

I think it was a pretty clever marketing arrangement that probably
added more sales this way than combining them into one big magazine.
It also allows them to allocate resources in a more efficent manner.

Now, I wouldn't argue that this shows a trend for HT to be
cannabalizing sales from more "traditional" "hi fi" sales.

I guess the difference between our two viewpoints is that I consider
the HT magazine Stereophile as well.

On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 05:29:07 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message

On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 14:10:38 -0600, dave weil
wrote:

On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 19:56:49 +0000 (UTC),
(Stewart Pinkerton) wrote:

Well, anyone would explain it better than Gorge. Most of us would
simply refer to the inner grooves of the same 12" LP..............

How would *that* explain anything?

Oh, well, I guess some people never understand even the simplest of
explanations...

Watching these jerks bobble the difference between CAV and CLV explains a
lot about their inability to understand other equally simple concepts, like
the need for level-matched, time-synched, bias-controlled listening tests.

Calling me a jerk points out *your* problem, especially as I've been
trying to be nice to you.

Everytime I do, you just poke me in the eye again.

Besides, you didn't think that George "bobbled" his explanation. Why
he's a just a jerk now is beyond me.

I'm sorry for being so candid that I can talk about a concept that
escapes me.

dave weil said:

I'm sorry for being so candid that I can talk about a concept that
escapes me.

As the Fersterlian taught us before being exposed as a sham and a
plagiarist, nothing is worse than being caught in an error. Lying and
other obnoxious behaviors are are all fine when used in the service of
the Holy Cause of Sameness. Once you are caught in an error, though
it's just a hell of a job to restore your self-deluding Armor of
Omniscience.

Try to remember that. RAO is an arena where anti-audio gladiators show
what they "know". Their code has but one precept: Never Admit Error.

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 05:23:32 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message

On 06 Jan 2004 04:04:43 GMT, (Nousaine) wrote:

"Michael McKelvy" wrote:

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message

"Michael McKelvy" wrote

1994: 71,040
1995: 79,332
1996: 85,808
1997: 87,219
1998: 83,921
1999: 85,224
2000: 91,384
2001: 84,987
2002: 82,932
2003: 81,668

Tell me if I'm wrong, but don't these figures say that the
magazine's circulation is shrinking?

Looks clearly like the magazine was 'growing' for a few years and
has fallen back to the levels that Mr Atkinson has said were the
peak years of the audio industry in the mid-90s.

And it seems clear that subscription has been falling over the past
3 years.

What's to argue over?

Maybe the fact that there are now TWO separate magazines maybe?

There had been two separate magazines for years and years before the
fall-off.

Yeah. separate. Given the ownership by a conglomerate, who knows how
separate they are. Probably financially as separate as any other two mags in
the conglomerate's portfolio. One lives, the other dies, whatever. Some of
the staff talks and some staff might be shared.

So? As you pointed out, one of them started at the beginning of this
list of years. At that time, HT was becoming popular. In the
intervening years, the demand for it has exploded, wouldn't you say?

The serious explosion in HT seems to be really quite recent, at least around
here.

In the past 6 months 2 "Home Theatre" stores opened in the Grosse Pointes.
Prior to that there were just two other long-time stores, both of which are
still around and seem to be doing well. Both of those old-time stores
started out as 2-channel audio places, going back to the 60's.

My perception is that HDTV is spurring a small explosion in HT, right now.

I don't think that you can talk about the decline of Stereophile without
factoring in the sales of both magazines, since the other magazine is
just Stereophile focusing on a different (and more successful from a
volume standpoint) niche of the market. IOW, if they had made the
magazine bigger and included all of their coverage of HT in it, would
we be seeing this decline? I don't think so.

Of course. But Weil you know that you're playing that well-known "debating
trade" card known as gratuitously extending the domain of the argument well
beyond its original bounds to prove your opponent wrong, right?

I think it was a pretty clever marketing arrangement that probably
added more sales this way than combining them into one big magazine.

I think it made a lot of sense. I don't think it was excessively clever. A
lot of HT ragazines were as I recall starting up in about the same time
frame. There were three choices - broaden SP, or start a new magazine, or
let the train leave town with out Stereophile. Option 3 seems really dumb.
Option 1 was step one in the genesis of S&V. Step 2 was re-combining them.
That makes sense, too.

It also allows them to allocate resources in a more efficient manner.

Perhaps yes, perhaps no. Most operations run more efficiently with
artificial barriers removed, unless the resulting organization becomes
unwieldy.

Now, I wouldn't argue that this shows a trend for HT to be
cannibalizing sales from more "traditional" "hi fi" sales.

Not you, Weil. Not you.

Me, I see that when most people I know want to sit down and spend some
"quality time" with entertainment media, that media has both audio and
video. I see a bifurcation of the market for entertaining media.

One prong is two-channel audio, more and more being done along with
something else - driving, working, whatever.

The other prong is HT, TV & gaming which get quality, dedicated time or at
least exercise time. All 3 are based on audio+video. Interestingly enough,
this quality time now includes riding in vehicles, but due to the law in
most states, not driving them.

I guess the difference between our two viewpoints is that I consider
the HT magazine Stereophile as well.

More gratuitous extension of the domain of the argument...

On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 09:57:31 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 05:23:32 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message

On 06 Jan 2004 04:04:43 GMT, (Nousaine) wrote:

"Michael McKelvy" wrote:

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message

"Michael McKelvy" wrote

1994: 71,040
1995: 79,332
1996: 85,808
1997: 87,219
1998: 83,921
1999: 85,224
2000: 91,384
2001: 84,987
2002: 82,932
2003: 81,668

Tell me if I'm wrong, but don't these figures say that the
magazine's circulation is shrinking?

Looks clearly like the magazine was 'growing' for a few years and
has fallen back to the levels that Mr Atkinson has said were the
peak years of the audio industry in the mid-90s.

And it seems clear that subscription has been falling over the past
3 years.

What's to argue over?

Maybe the fact that there are now TWO separate magazines maybe?

There had been two separate magazines for years and years before the
fall-off.

Yeah. separate. Given the ownership by a conglomerate, who knows how
separate they are. Probably financially as separate as any other two mags in
the conglomerate's portfolio. One lives, the other dies, whatever. Some of
the staff talks and some staff might be shared.

So? As you pointed out, one of them started at the beginning of this
list of years. At that time, HT was becoming popular. In the
intervening years, the demand for it has exploded, wouldn't you say?

The serious explosion in HT seems to be really quite recent, at least around
here.

In the past 6 months 2 "Home Theatre" stores opened in the Grosse Pointes.
Prior to that there were just two other long-time stores, both of which are
still around and seem to be doing well. Both of those old-time stores
started out as 2-channel audio places, going back to the 60's.

My perception is that HDTV is spurring a small explosion in HT, right now.

I don't think that you can talk about the decline of Stereophile without
factoring in the sales of both magazines, since the other magazine is
just Stereophile focusing on a different (and more successful from a
volume standpoint) niche of the market. IOW, if they had made the
magazine bigger and included all of their coverage of HT in it, would
we be seeing this decline? I don't think so.

Of course. But Weil you know that you're playing that well-known "debating
trade" card known as gratuitously extending the domain of the argument well
beyond its original bounds to prove your opponent wrong, right?

I think it was a pretty clever marketing arrangement that probably
added more sales this way than combining them into one big magazine.

I think it made a lot of sense. I don't think it was excessively clever. A
lot of HT ragazines were as I recall starting up in about the same time
frame. There were three choices - broaden SP, or start a new magazine, or
let the train leave town with out Stereophile. Option 3 seems really dumb.
Option 1 was step one in the genesis of S&V. Step 2 was re-combining them.
That makes sense, too.

It also allows them to allocate resources in a more efficient manner.

Perhaps yes, perhaps no. Most operations run more efficiently with
artificial barriers removed, unless the resulting organization becomes
unwieldy.

Now, I wouldn't argue that this shows a trend for HT to be
cannibalizing sales from more "traditional" "hi fi" sales.

Not you, Weil. Not you.

Me, I see that when most people I know want to sit down and spend some
"quality time" with entertainment media, that media has both audio and
video. I see a bifurcation of the market for entertaining media.

One prong is two-channel audio, more and more being done along with
something else - driving, working, whatever.

The other prong is HT, TV & gaming which get quality, dedicated time or at
least exercise time. All 3 are based on audio+video. Interestingly enough,
this quality time now includes riding in vehicles, but due to the law in
most states, not driving them.

I guess the difference between our two viewpoints is that I consider
the HT magazine Stereophile as well.

More gratuitous extension of the domain of the argument...

You would argue that the sun rose this morning.

"John Atkinson" wrote in message
om
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"MINe 109" wrote in message

Website AWOL, check;

Never happened for most of the web.
Only person reporting: JA.

So why then, Mr. Krueger, are you arguing with another poster in
another thread over the fact that they couldn't access the page?

They made no claims about changes to the web site, which is the majority of
what you claimed, Atkinson.

The purported outage is a stupid point, since the web site can be changed
without causing even a 1 second outage.

I was contemplating the whole purported scenario, and the basic message is
that Atkinson just doesn't understand even the superficial aspects of
maintaining a web site.

There's the slight matter of the tell-all date-stamp-related HTML in the
web page, for example. Means nothing to you Atkinson, right?

I guess it must be hard for you to keep track of what you have said
to different people at different times. :-)

No Atkinson, I can tell the difference between apples and oranges. I can
tell the difference between a web page change and a web site outage that is
only noticed at one or two places.

Obviously, I never took the site down. Anybody who has worked with a modern
web server first hand knows that you don't need to take it down to change
the web pages or graphics. Your story lacks internal coherency, and
disagrees with public information I can't control.

"John Atkinson" wrote in message
om
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"John Atkinson" wrote in message
om
And of course, elsewhere in this thread, as has been pointed out by
others, [Arny Krueger] has been selectively choosing among the data
I provided just those figures that support his predetermined
conclusion. "Data dredging" this is called in scientific circles,
or "pulling a Ferstler," here on r.a.o.

Sue me for picking on data for the last 4 years.

No Mr. Krueger. When I sue you it won't be something as trivial as
your habit of arbitrarily picking data that fits your predetermined
thesis. :-)

A smiley, It's all a joke.

Hey, I don't have time right now for jokes and I covered this all several
times already.

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 05:29:07 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message

On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 14:10:38 -0600, dave weil
wrote:

On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 19:56:49 +0000 (UTC),
(Stewart Pinkerton) wrote:

Well, anyone would explain it better than Gorge. Most of us would
simply refer to the inner grooves of the same 12" LP..............

How would *that* explain anything?

Oh, well, I guess some people never understand even the simplest of
explanations...

Watching these jerks bobble the difference between CAV and CLV
explains a lot about their inability to understand other equally
simple concepts, like the need for level-matched, time-synched,
bias-controlled listening tests.

Calling me a jerk points out *your* problem, especially as I've been
trying to be nice to you.

Weil, I perceive that you're either way too dense to be worth talking to, or
just pulling my chain. At least 4 different people told you like it is, and
you still don't seem to believe it. It's so darn basic - High School Physics
or less. Heck, even Middius seems to understand it. It just don't get much
more basic than that. Any way Weil, you're just not worth the effort, even
when you're tying to act barely civilized.

dave weil a écrit :

Calling me a jerk points out *your* problem, especially as I've been
trying to be nice to you.

Everytime I do, you just poke me in the eye again.

This is The Smart-Guy's fate.
Jesus said that...

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 08:00:29 +0000 (UTC), (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 14:12:10 -0600, dave weil
wrote:

On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 19:56:50 +0000 (UTC),
(Stewart Pinkerton) wrote:

On an LP, of course there *is* no difference. Why would there be?

Because the velocity is constant, but the distance travelled per
revolution gets smaller and smaller the closer to the center?

So what? The rpm remains the same.

This is the sticking point for me, I guess. It's hard for me to see
why the rpm stays the same at all points of the disk.

What a maroon. Still trying to figure out why we call them 33 1/3 rpm
records?

It's just one of those mental blocks I guess.

One of many. Gosh Weil, I wish I would have figured out you were this stupid
and block-headed 3 years ago.

I see a constant speed but a different distance traveled at different
points of the disk.

Constant rotational speed, decreasing linear speed along the groove.

shrug

Yet another example of your basic wired-in blockheadedness, Weil. What sort
of a regimen of which drugs gets a normal teenager to your current mental
state?

On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 10:10:39 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Calling me a jerk points out *your* problem, especially as I've been
trying to be nice to you.

Weil, I perceive that you're either way too dense to be worth talking to, or
just pulling my chain.

I wasn't pulling your chain.

I was simply talking about something that escaped me. If you think
that makes me too dense to be worth talking to, then so be it.

At least 4 different people told you like it is, and you still don't seem to believe it.

I've simply talked about *why* it escapes me. Apparently, one is only
supposed to talk about things that they know here on RAO, not ask
questions about things that they *don't* know.

It's so darn basic - High School Physics
or less. Heck, even Middius seems to understand it. It just don't get much
more basic than that. Any way Weil, you're just not worth the effort, even
when you're tying to act barely civilized.

I'm not trying to tie anything.

At least I *tried* to act civilized, unlike you, apparently.

BTW, it *still* doesn't really make sense, but I guess I'm stupid for
admitting that. Or human.

On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 10:13:53 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Yet another example of your basic wired-in blockheadedness, Weil. What sort
of a regimen of which drugs gets a normal teenager to your current mental
state?

What an asshole. I hope that Mr. Wheeler takes you for as much as he
can.

What is it in *your* heredity that has hard-wired you to be such a
mess?

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 10:10:39 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Calling me a jerk points out *your* problem, especially as I've been
trying to be nice to you.

Weil, I perceive that you're either way too dense to be worth
talking to, or just pulling my chain.

I wasn't pulling your chain.

I find that hard to believe.

I was simply talking about something that escaped me. If you think
that makes me too dense to be worth talking to, then so be it.

It's just that I've been down this same road with you so many times before,
Weil. I now see how futile it is to talk to you about even the most obvious
things.

At least 4 different people told you like it is, and you still don't
seem to believe it.

I've simply talked about *why* it escapes me.

This is so basic Weil, I can't understand how it escapes you. I mean if you
said "I'm blind", I'd ease up. But that's the level of disability that it
takes to explain your inability to understand this simple point.

Apparently, one is only
supposed to talk about things that they know here on RAO, not ask
questions about things that they *don't* know.

At some point we encounter perceptual problems that simply talking and
writing won't help. Apparently, you've looked at an operating turntable as
we've been discussing this, and still can't see what we're talking about. I
just can't explain that unless you are very seeing-impaired.

It's so darn basic - High School Physics
or less. Heck, even Middius seems to understand it. It just don't
get much more basic than that. Any way Weil, you're just not worth
the effort, even when you're tying to act barely civilized.

I'm not trying to tie anything.

Then try something.

At least I *tried* to act civilized, unlike you, apparently.

So you say, Weil. But you've said a lot of weird things over the years. Now,
I understand your situation better.

BTW, it *still* doesn't really make sense, but I guess I'm stupid for
admitting that. Or human.

Or legally blind?

Things have evolved to the point where that's one of the few explanations
that makes sense.

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 10:13:53 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Yet another example of your basic wired-in blockheadedness, Weil.
What sort of a regimen of which drugs gets a normal teenager to your
current mental state?

What an asshole. I hope that Mr. Wheeler takes you for as much as he
can.

I think he will. ;-)

What is it in *your* heredity that has hard-wired you to be such a
mess?

Lack of patience with stupidity and arrogance beyond certain fairly uncommon
extremes.

dave weil said:

BTW, it *still* doesn't really make sense, but I guess I'm stupid for
admitting that. Or human.

It doesn't? Hmmm.....

You're right that there are different speeds of rotation. 33-1/3 rpm
refers to the edge of the LP. If the disk were only 6" in diameter, it
would spin at a lower rate and we'd refer to its speed as 16-2/3.

You could do this if you have a mind for home experimenting: Get some
cardboard and cut out two disks, one 12" in diameter and one quite a
bit smaller. Then draw 4 or 6 diameters on each one, evenly spaced.
Then cut out a circle in the center of each disk that's about the size
of your index finger. Spin each one on your finger at the same speed,
or as close as you can get by eyeballing. (This is why the small disk
has to be quite a bit smaller than the 12" one.) You should be able to
perceive easily that the small disk's edge rotates perceptibly slower.

Then put the two disks together and spin them at the same time. This
should make it very clear.

In the alternative, you could just rack up another RAO point for
helping Krooger work himself up into a lather over nothing.

On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 10:27:22 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

What is it in *your* heredity that has hard-wired you to be such a
mess?

Lack of patience with stupidity and arrogance beyond certain fairly uncommon
extremes.

Then how do you live with yourself?

John Atkinson a écrit :

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ...

"MINe 109" wrote in message


Website AWOL, check;

Never happened for most of the web.
Only person reporting: JA.


So why then, Mr. Krueger, are you arguing with another poster in another
thread over the fact that they couldn't access the page?

I guess it must be hard for you to keep track of what you have said
to different people at different times. :-)

It looks like that Mister John Atkinson is playing to "Tom & Jerry"
because he wrote that he has saved a copy of the original screen on his
HD, before the alleged modification. ;-)
No doubt that it would be easy for him to prove what he is writing now.

Who is lying ? The suspens is terrible... :-)

Lionel

PS : it's now about 4 days since the first time I have requested for
proofs. Now the value of the "potential" evidences is subject to
caution. We can imagine that with the army of computer artists he has to
his disposal Mister John Atkinson hasn't any trouble to create fake pieces.

As I don't see any good reasons for Mister John Atkinson to keep for him
such precious evidences such long time, it is logical to suppose that
the lie is coming from his camp. Mister John Atkinson hadn't a copy of
the original screen on his HD, Mister Atkinson have written untrue
statement. CQFD (Ce Qu'il Fallait Démontrer).
:-(

On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 16:13:30 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

dave weil a écrit :

Calling me a jerk points out *your* problem, especially as I've been
trying to be nice to you.

Everytime I do, you just poke me in the eye again.

This is The Smart-Guy's fate.
Jesus said that...

Actually he *didn't* say that.

Are you sure it wasn't Petain?

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 10:27:22 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

What is it in *your* heredity that has hard-wired you to be such a
mess?

Lack of patience with stupidity and arrogance beyond certain fairly
uncommon extremes.

Then how do you live with yourself?

Obviously, I'm not as stupid and arrogant as you are, Weil. Live with it.

For one thing, I can properly distinguish and characterize CAV and CLV. You
are too arrogant and stupid to do even that. At this point you could just
believe what you've been told. On the 10 point scale of understanding
technology, that's about a 0.1 . No wonder you've been so hard to explain
things to for the past several years!

dave weil a écrit :

On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 16:13:30 +0100, Lionel
wrote:


dave weil a écrit :


Calling me a jerk points out *your* problem, especially as I've been
trying to be nice to you.

Everytime I do, you just poke me in the eye again.

This is The Smart-Guy's fate.
Jesus said that...


Actually he *didn't* say that.

Are you sure it wasn't Petain?

Good one ! But historically incompatible... :-)

On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:33:13 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

Sir Pinkerton is also one of these "salon warriors" who vote for the war
that Mexican emmigrants will do for them.

Never voted for a war in my life - although I've been involved in
them.

http://www.ifrance.com/letunnel/Verdun/battle.html
I guess that 163,000 of them haven't running fast enough...

Difficult in all that mud, but they certainly tried!

How can you tell if there's a war in Europe? Paris is occupied.....
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"MINe 109" wrote in message


In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

None of it happened. Neither the LynxTWO web page, nor any of the
files associated with it have been altered since early last year.

Let's accept this for the sake of argument. How about Captain
Capacitor?

Who is he? There are two obvious candidates in this thread.



The one I named in the text you snipped.

Stephen

On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:27:51 -0500, George M. Middius
wrote:

You're right that there are different speeds of rotation. 33-1/3 rpm
refers to the edge of the LP. If the disk were only 6" in diameter, it
would spin at a lower rate and we'd refer to its speed as 16-2/3.

You are a total ignoramus Gorge, it's 33.33 rpm all over the disc.
There is *one* rotational speed - 33.33 rpm.

CD of course is different, since it's a constant linear velocity disc,
not constant angular velocity. Hence, it spins slower towards the end
of the album.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Stewart Pinkerton said:

You're right that there are different speeds of rotation. 33-1/3 rpm
refers to the edge of the LP. If the disk were only 6" in diameter, it
would spin at a lower rate and we'd refer to its speed as 16-2/3.

You are a total ignoramus Gorge,

I may have messed that up, but I'm certainly not a "total" anything.
Instead of thanking you for a graceful correction, I'll just point
that I *know* you are a drunken, hypocritical troll who acts out his
repressed nastiness on Usenet. Since that's a proven fact, I've also
just proved you to be a "total" liar.

BTW, that's twice you've complained about my attempts to explain what
dave is missing, but you have yet to post anything cogent in its
place. Could it be that you're too ****ed to be able to put into words
what you claim to "know"? ;-)

dave weil wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 05:23:32 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
I think it was a pretty clever marketing arrangement that probably
added more sales this way than combining them into one big magazine.
It also allows them to allocate resources in a more efficent manner.

Yup. Maybe when you get tired of the restaurant biz, you should consider a
career in publishing, Dave? (Not kidding.)

I guess the difference between our two viewpoints is that I consider
the HT magazine Stereophile as well.

No, they are two different profit centers, with segregated financials.
Stereophile has twice the circulation of the Guide, for what that's
worth.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

"MINe 109" wrote in message

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"MINe 109" wrote in message


In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

None of it happened. Neither the LynxTWO web page, nor any of the
files associated with it have been altered since early last year.

Let's accept this for the sake of argument. How about Captain
Capacitor?

Who is he? There are two obvious candidates in this thread.

The one I named in the text you snipped.

Nousaine nailed Atkinson for cherry-picking data, just like the good
Professor B. did.

Been there, done that:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...19%40newssvr16.
news.prodigy.com

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
news
In the alternative, you could just rack up another RAO point for
helping Krooger work himself up into a lather over nothing.

Middius shows once again that it's not the truth that he's interested in,
it's the excitement of being killed that he craves.

On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:34:19 +0000 (UTC), (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:33:13 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

Sir Pinkerton is also one of these "salon warriors" who vote for the war
that Mexican emmigrants will do for them.

Never voted for a war in my life - although I've been involved in
them.

http://www.ifrance.com/letunnel/Verdun/battle.html
I guess that 163,000 of them haven't running fast enough...

Difficult in all that mud, but they certainly tried!

How can you tell if there's a war in Europe? Paris is occupied.....

I thought that it was that Britian was being bailed out by the Yanks.

On 6 Jan 2004 09:57:48 -0800, (John
Atkinson) wrote:

dave weil wrote in message
...
On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 05:23:32 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
I think it was a pretty clever marketing arrangement that probably
added more sales this way than combining them into one big magazine.
It also allows them to allocate resources in a more efficent manner.

Yup. Maybe when you get tired of the restaurant biz, you should consider a
career in publishing, Dave? (Not kidding.)

If I had $2,000,000 to invest in a magainze, I might be able to become
a millionaire in the biz g.

I guess the difference between our two viewpoints is that I consider
the HT magazine Stereophile as well.

No, they are two different profit centers, with segregated financials.
Stereophile has twice the circulation of the Guide, for what that's
worth.

I'm sorry, I didn't express that the proper way.

The point I was trying to make is that Stereophile in the old days
covered the spectrum of audio/video, with the emphasis mostly on
audio, since video was sort of an adjunct. Now, of course, HT is a par
more explosive growth field than just audio (although the two
obviously overlap at certain points).

You could have gone the route of incorporating HT into Stereophile and
you wouldn't have seen the same numbers of subscriptions that you
posted for Stereophile. The numbers would undoubtedly be higher, and
the curve might have been quite different, although I'm not convinced
that it would be a simple as adding the two magazine's figures
together (I think that the number would actually be lower than the sum
of the two).

However, you have certainly cannabalized a few subscriptions from
Stereophile proper and, given the growth of HT since the very end of
the 90s, this might have been more profound than previously.

Then there's the economy angle that has to be factored in. If most
magazines (especially "lifestyle" rags) have experienced the same
drop, then it isn't an issue with Stereophile proper.

Also, I didn't mean to imply that the two magazines were part of the
same profit center. However, the money ends up in the same pot at the
end of the day.

PS, has the ratio of subs between the two mags always been 2 to 1? If
not, when did the HT mag get to that point?

Stewart Pinkerton a écrit :

On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:33:13 +0100, Lionel
wrote:


Sir Pinkerton is also one of these "salon warriors" who vote for the war
that Mexican emmigrants will do for them.


Never voted for a war in my life - although I've been involved in
them.


http://www.ifrance.com/letunnel/Verdun/battle.html
I guess that 163,000 of them haven't running fast enough...


Difficult in all that mud, but they certainly tried!


And sincerely I understand them.

On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 19:32:15 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

http://www.ifrance.com/letunnel/Verdun/battle.html
I guess that 163,000 of them haven't running fast enough...


Difficult in all that mud, but they certainly tried!


And sincerely I understand them.

Yes, at least they didn't have to crowd into rowboats to run away like
the Brits did.

Richard Malesweski said:

Scott "I'm smart, just ask me" Wheeler scrawled:


Congradulations

and

explination

and then, again

explination?

ESL, Scotty? ;-)

And yet it's okay when Arny does it, right, Internet geek?

LOL!

Boon

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"MINe 109" wrote in message

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"MINe 109" wrote in message


In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

None of it happened. Neither the LynxTWO web page, nor any of the
files associated with it have been altered since early last year.

Let's accept this for the sake of argument. How about Captain
Capacitor?

Who is he? There are two obvious candidates in this thread.

The one I named in the text you snipped.

Nousaine nailed Atkinson for cherry-picking data, just like the good
Professor B. did.

Been there, done that:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...19%40newssvr16.
news.prodigy.com

And did it according to JA's prediction.

Stephen

This is the sticking point for me, I guess. It's hard for me to see
why the rpm stays the same at all points of the disk.


It's just one of those mental blocks I guess. I see a constant speed
but a different distance travelled at diferent points of the disk.


The speed of the disc is constant but the speed any one given point on the disc
is constantly different than any other point on the disc in depending on the
point's distance from the center. Think about how fast the rim of the plater is
moving compared to any point close to the center of the platter. Then realize
that the stylus is slowly constantly moving from the rim toward the center with
each rotation.

Dave said


What an asshole. I hope that Mr. Wheeler takes you for as much as he
can.

Arny said


I think he will. ;-)


Interesting prediction. The court limmit is 25,000 plus costs.

Who is lying ? The suspens is terrible... :-)

Lionel

It may be suspensful for an idiot.

S888Wheel a écrit :

Who is lying ? The suspens is terrible... :-)

Lionel


It may be suspensful for an idiot.

The most important is the thrill, Scott "Frustrated" Wheeler.

I said

You are amazingly clueless.


Arny said

Really sockpuppet? I'm not the one who brags about having an old-tech,
low-tech audio system with thermonic noise and distortion enhancers combined
with an electromechical noise and distortion generator.

Sour grapes.

Arny said


Try to figure out the difference between the past and the present.


Arny said


That seems to be what I've done, and you've missed, sockpuppet


Obviously not.

I said


Try to understand the implications of data
showing sales that have gone up and down and up and down over the
years.

Arny said



Something like a plane that takes off and then lands, eh?

Nope. I guess I was asking to much.

I said


Try to understand the difference between a projection of sales
based on trends and a declaration of the state of sales like the one
you made.

Arny said


What's unclear about significantly dropping circulation every year since the
year 2000?

Besides your cherry picking the data once again and now misrepresenting it, one
thing that is unclear is what the numbers will be in 2004 which is what your
claim assumes. Duh!

I said


If you had half a brain you would get the fact that the
data does not show that subscriptions "are shrinking" as you said but
that they have shrunk over the past three years

Arny said


Yup.

I guess you don't remember saying they were "shrinking" now. You are amazingly
stupid. I suppose it was a typo.

I said


About 2/3 as much as they did from 2001 to 2002. Not a tiny bit,

I didn't say a tiny bit. You just can't help yourslef from lying when you argue
can you?

Arny said

just a
coincidental collection of digits that mislead your unpracticed eye,
sockpppet.


You really are stupid.

I said


Given the history over the past ten years, data
you continue to ignore, one can conclude that the circulation could
very easily be increasing at this very time.

Arny said


Given enough hand-waving one could conclude just about anythhing.

Thankyou for the sumation of your idiotic claim.

I said


To draw any conclusion
one way or another based on all the data given is idiotic.


Arny said


Typical of the sockpuppet's intolerance for contrary opinion.


Please excuse my intolerance of one of your many stupid biased and plainly
wrong conclusions. Here is a pop quiz for you. Are you aware that in this post
is a plain admission by you that your claim was wrong? Or are you too stupid to
even figure that much out?

I said


DO YOU GET IT NOW?


Arny said


What is it that you sell again, sockpuppet? Amway?


I guess that sort of answers it. You don't get it.

Note that both of our sockpuppets (wheel and yustabe) are making
autobiographical comments these days.

Looks like Arny doesn't know the meaning of autobiographical. It is a big word
for him though. Maybe it was another typo.