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killermike wrote: I'd be in favor of the new group. I'd vote for it and offer what advice I could. RAP just has too much traffic. This thread is a perfect example, I doubt that even half of the users of this group are aware of this discussion as it will have scrolled way off the bottom of the screen by now. What I can't undersand, Mike, is why anyone would be using a reader that isn't threaded and doesn't have the "kill thread" option. All of the modern ones have this ability. To refuse to upgrade is similar to refusing to upgrade old gear that sounds like **** just because you you are familiar with its operation. Too much traffic just doesn't mean anything when it is _so_ easy to limit the traffic to the part you want to see using the facilities currently available. I do it considerably because there is much in the audio domain that is of no interest to me. On a thread count rather than message count, which is what is now relevant, the number of those new topics compared to the number of OT topics is really large. I doubt that anyone else, even those who complain, could say different. Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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killermike wrote: I'd be in favor of the new group. I'd vote for it and offer what advice I could. RAP just has too much traffic. This thread is a perfect example, I doubt that even half of the users of this group are aware of this discussion as it will have scrolled way off the bottom of the screen by now. What I can't undersand, Mike, is why anyone would be using a reader that isn't threaded and doesn't have the "kill thread" option. All of the modern ones have this ability. To refuse to upgrade is similar to refusing to upgrade old gear that sounds like **** just because you you are familiar with its operation. Too much traffic just doesn't mean anything when it is _so_ easy to limit the traffic to the part you want to see using the facilities currently available. I do it considerably because there is much in the audio domain that is of no interest to me. On a thread count rather than message count, which is what is now relevant, the number of those new topics compared to the number of OT topics is really large. I doubt that anyone else, even those who complain, could say different. Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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"Romeo Rondeau" wrote in message
... "playon" wrote in message ... The future control and privatization of the world's water supplies by large corporations is a given, and is very scary scenario. Wars are definietly going to be fought over this. I agree, it's no different from oil. But the wars will all be fought out over oil way before we have to worry about water, unless one wants to actually drink potable water without harmful pollutants. The world will never get to a greater war than one of the remaining supplies of oil, and I spoke quite succinctly to this during the "Peak Oil" thread. Once a commodity becomes scarce, such as oil, it no longer is a commodity, and, as Bush and the Neo-Cons have made deep inroads towards, one who controls the oil controls everything. It's a simple concept that was presented in DUNE about controlling the Spice that allowed inter-stellar travel. I'm sure the concept has been around for a century, but I don't have the references. However, I'm just as certain that the Bush administration is trying to be in a position to control the amount of oil they can while they can. In other words, we're taking control of OUR oil under THEIR sand. And our greatest competitor for the oil will be China, who, via North Korea, apparently isn't adverse to selling nuclear technology in the effort to diffuse the current situation while becoming mobilized to protect their own interest in oil. Let's face it, the possibility of global warming is far off compared to the ability of China to force itself into the modern world without oil to power their industry. In other words, anyone worried about global warming is being an optimist in terms of actually surviving before global warming becomes another extinction event. Sans a methane sulfate explosion into the atmosphere, raising temperatures from 1 degree C to maybe 20 degrees C depending on the extent of the blow. ****, we could figure it all out and still have the methane sulfate explosion that would kill off virtually all life within 100 years. Perhaps we better look at that rather than worry about China or any other country being as stupid as the USA is right now. Perhaps Bush and his cohorts are right. But my bet is that only by ignoring the science of the FACT of global warming, regardless of what is causing it, we WILL be caught with our pants down. Hell, we're already close to being close to being caught with our pants down and we haven't even gotten into the real reason GW and his cadre have begun this process. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio |
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"Romeo Rondeau" wrote in message
... "playon" wrote in message ... The future control and privatization of the world's water supplies by large corporations is a given, and is very scary scenario. Wars are definietly going to be fought over this. I agree, it's no different from oil. But the wars will all be fought out over oil way before we have to worry about water, unless one wants to actually drink potable water without harmful pollutants. The world will never get to a greater war than one of the remaining supplies of oil, and I spoke quite succinctly to this during the "Peak Oil" thread. Once a commodity becomes scarce, such as oil, it no longer is a commodity, and, as Bush and the Neo-Cons have made deep inroads towards, one who controls the oil controls everything. It's a simple concept that was presented in DUNE about controlling the Spice that allowed inter-stellar travel. I'm sure the concept has been around for a century, but I don't have the references. However, I'm just as certain that the Bush administration is trying to be in a position to control the amount of oil they can while they can. In other words, we're taking control of OUR oil under THEIR sand. And our greatest competitor for the oil will be China, who, via North Korea, apparently isn't adverse to selling nuclear technology in the effort to diffuse the current situation while becoming mobilized to protect their own interest in oil. Let's face it, the possibility of global warming is far off compared to the ability of China to force itself into the modern world without oil to power their industry. In other words, anyone worried about global warming is being an optimist in terms of actually surviving before global warming becomes another extinction event. Sans a methane sulfate explosion into the atmosphere, raising temperatures from 1 degree C to maybe 20 degrees C depending on the extent of the blow. ****, we could figure it all out and still have the methane sulfate explosion that would kill off virtually all life within 100 years. Perhaps we better look at that rather than worry about China or any other country being as stupid as the USA is right now. Perhaps Bush and his cohorts are right. But my bet is that only by ignoring the science of the FACT of global warming, regardless of what is causing it, we WILL be caught with our pants down. Hell, we're already close to being close to being caught with our pants down and we haven't even gotten into the real reason GW and his cadre have begun this process. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio |
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Roger W. Norman wrote:
Thank you! You're welcome. Roger, you're one of only a handful of RAP posters who I respect enough to try to read most of their posts regardless of topic. Granted, I come here for audio, & personally, I'd prefer it if there were only audio posts here. But if we can't have political posts, then we can't have posts about BBQ, hot sauce, sports, or anything else either. In any event, you're audio related posts have shown you to be within a stone's throw of the highest level of knowledge on this group. And even your OT posts tend to be well thought out & show you to be a person whose opinions are based on some degree of independent thought as opposed to those among us who base their philosophy on propiganda, rumor, & inuendo. So, I guess what I'm trying to say is "Don't let the *******s get you down". And since we're off topic... Go Panthers!!!!! The BEST BBQ sauce is Scott's (not Dorsey) from Goldsboro, NC. http://www.scottsbarbecuesauce.com/ And for a regular hot sauce (when flavor is important), the original tabasco is hard to beat, but if you want something REALLY HOT, try Gold Cap. |
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Roger W. Norman wrote:
Thank you! You're welcome. Roger, you're one of only a handful of RAP posters who I respect enough to try to read most of their posts regardless of topic. Granted, I come here for audio, & personally, I'd prefer it if there were only audio posts here. But if we can't have political posts, then we can't have posts about BBQ, hot sauce, sports, or anything else either. In any event, you're audio related posts have shown you to be within a stone's throw of the highest level of knowledge on this group. And even your OT posts tend to be well thought out & show you to be a person whose opinions are based on some degree of independent thought as opposed to those among us who base their philosophy on propiganda, rumor, & inuendo. So, I guess what I'm trying to say is "Don't let the *******s get you down". And since we're off topic... Go Panthers!!!!! The BEST BBQ sauce is Scott's (not Dorsey) from Goldsboro, NC. http://www.scottsbarbecuesauce.com/ And for a regular hot sauce (when flavor is important), the original tabasco is hard to beat, but if you want something REALLY HOT, try Gold Cap. |
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WillStG wrote: I would suport RAP becoming a moderated newsgroup, as long as the moderator/s pledged to enforce the Charter in a Fair and Balanced manner. Your endorsment of such a scheme speaks volumes. "fair and balanced" (..) After all, if Bush is reelected and Roger moves to Vietnam (as he has suggested he will), Internet access there is likely so slow that he will be writing fewer, and *much* shorter posts... g Did Fox "news" have asshole training, or are you just a natural? |
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WillStG wrote: I would suport RAP becoming a moderated newsgroup, as long as the moderator/s pledged to enforce the Charter in a Fair and Balanced manner. Your endorsment of such a scheme speaks volumes. "fair and balanced" (..) After all, if Bush is reelected and Roger moves to Vietnam (as he has suggested he will), Internet access there is likely so slow that he will be writing fewer, and *much* shorter posts... g Did Fox "news" have asshole training, or are you just a natural? |
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Roger W. Norman wrote:
The BEST BBQ sauce is Scott's (not Dorsey) from Goldsboro, NC. http://www.scottsbarbecuesauce.com/ Personally, out of the bottle (rather than my own sauce) I like Bone Sucking Sauce, which can be found at a lot of BBQ sites on the web, but not much on a local basis except for North Carolina. The funny thing is it doesn't taste anything like a normal "Carolina" sauce in that, even though it's a vinegar based sauce, it's just divine (for a product that isn't mine! g). BSS is a bit sweet for my taset, but a lot of folks like it. And, you're right about it being ubiquitous in NC. It's vinegar based (kind of) except in comparison with other NC sauces. In these parts, there's a big religous war between vinegar & red pepper (eastern) vs tomato & molasses (Lexington style). Personally, even though I was born & lived most of my live within a short drive of Lexington, I prefer eastern NC BBQ. 1. sugar based sauces scorch if applied to log-cooking meat too early. 2 tomato based sauces scorch if applied to log-cooking meat too early. With the eastern style sauces, you can mop 'em on right from the get-go. Scotts has a higher pepper / vinegar ratio than most. If you want it hot, give it a good shake. If you don't shake so much, most of the pepper stays on the bottom of the bottle (a waste, if you ask me. Think of all those starving children in your favorite third world country). But we're willing to let most any pork product, slow cooked over hardwood (prefereably hickory) outdoors bear the name "Barbeque". But a beef brisket with ketchup on it just doesn't qualify. (But I guess in Texas, the standards are a little bit lower - for a lot of things.) |
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Roger W. Norman wrote:
The BEST BBQ sauce is Scott's (not Dorsey) from Goldsboro, NC. http://www.scottsbarbecuesauce.com/ Personally, out of the bottle (rather than my own sauce) I like Bone Sucking Sauce, which can be found at a lot of BBQ sites on the web, but not much on a local basis except for North Carolina. The funny thing is it doesn't taste anything like a normal "Carolina" sauce in that, even though it's a vinegar based sauce, it's just divine (for a product that isn't mine! g). BSS is a bit sweet for my taset, but a lot of folks like it. And, you're right about it being ubiquitous in NC. It's vinegar based (kind of) except in comparison with other NC sauces. In these parts, there's a big religous war between vinegar & red pepper (eastern) vs tomato & molasses (Lexington style). Personally, even though I was born & lived most of my live within a short drive of Lexington, I prefer eastern NC BBQ. 1. sugar based sauces scorch if applied to log-cooking meat too early. 2 tomato based sauces scorch if applied to log-cooking meat too early. With the eastern style sauces, you can mop 'em on right from the get-go. Scotts has a higher pepper / vinegar ratio than most. If you want it hot, give it a good shake. If you don't shake so much, most of the pepper stays on the bottom of the bottle (a waste, if you ask me. Think of all those starving children in your favorite third world country). But we're willing to let most any pork product, slow cooked over hardwood (prefereably hickory) outdoors bear the name "Barbeque". But a beef brisket with ketchup on it just doesn't qualify. (But I guess in Texas, the standards are a little bit lower - for a lot of things.) |
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WillStG wrote: Not to interrupt you getting off on thinking you are smarter and more courageous than the President Hell, I didn't know there was any debate at all about that. Do you really believe that ****up you currently plan on voting for is either smart or brave? Evidence? Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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WillStG wrote: Not to interrupt you getting off on thinking you are smarter and more courageous than the President Hell, I didn't know there was any debate at all about that. Do you really believe that ****up you currently plan on voting for is either smart or brave? Evidence? Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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Roger W. Norman wrote: And our greatest competitor for the oil will be China, Without any doubt whatsoever and they will play by rules that will have us utterly flumoxed. The strategy they are already employing will give them a lever far bigger than ours in the marketplace and they just won't care about the battlefield. We _really_ need to start thinking about what it means to be a good citizen in this post-modern world. We're acting just as spoiled and brutish as a nation as Bush did as a man in his 20's. ****, we could figure it all out and still have the methane sulfate explosion that would kill off virtually all life within 100 years. Roger, do you have any good sources on how much of a threat that is and what we are possibly doing that could affect that? Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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Roger W. Norman wrote: And our greatest competitor for the oil will be China, Without any doubt whatsoever and they will play by rules that will have us utterly flumoxed. The strategy they are already employing will give them a lever far bigger than ours in the marketplace and they just won't care about the battlefield. We _really_ need to start thinking about what it means to be a good citizen in this post-modern world. We're acting just as spoiled and brutish as a nation as Bush did as a man in his 20's. ****, we could figure it all out and still have the methane sulfate explosion that would kill off virtually all life within 100 years. Roger, do you have any good sources on how much of a threat that is and what we are possibly doing that could affect that? Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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But a beef brisket with ketchup on it just doesn't qualify. (But I guess in
Texas, the standards are a little bit lower - for a lot of things.) Indeed, Texas BBQ can be done right, but you have to be outside of Texas! g Actually, on most slow cooked pork BBQ I like apple or pear chips. Hickory has always seemed to be more of a brisket smoke to me, but that's the good thing about cooking. Like audio, it only requires the imagination to try something. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "agent86" wrote in message . .. Roger W. Norman wrote: The BEST BBQ sauce is Scott's (not Dorsey) from Goldsboro, NC. http://www.scottsbarbecuesauce.com/ Personally, out of the bottle (rather than my own sauce) I like Bone Sucking Sauce, which can be found at a lot of BBQ sites on the web, but not much on a local basis except for North Carolina. The funny thing is it doesn't taste anything like a normal "Carolina" sauce in that, even though it's a vinegar based sauce, it's just divine (for a product that isn't mine! g). BSS is a bit sweet for my taset, but a lot of folks like it. And, you're right about it being ubiquitous in NC. It's vinegar based (kind of) except in comparison with other NC sauces. In these parts, there's a big religous war between vinegar & red pepper (eastern) vs tomato & molasses (Lexington style). Personally, even though I was born & lived most of my live within a short drive of Lexington, I prefer eastern NC BBQ. 1. sugar based sauces scorch if applied to log-cooking meat too early. 2 tomato based sauces scorch if applied to log-cooking meat too early. With the eastern style sauces, you can mop 'em on right from the get-go. Scotts has a higher pepper / vinegar ratio than most. If you want it hot, give it a good shake. If you don't shake so much, most of the pepper stays on the bottom of the bottle (a waste, if you ask me. Think of all those starving children in your favorite third world country). But we're willing to let most any pork product, slow cooked over hardwood (prefereably hickory) outdoors bear the name "Barbeque". |
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But a beef brisket with ketchup on it just doesn't qualify. (But I guess in
Texas, the standards are a little bit lower - for a lot of things.) Indeed, Texas BBQ can be done right, but you have to be outside of Texas! g Actually, on most slow cooked pork BBQ I like apple or pear chips. Hickory has always seemed to be more of a brisket smoke to me, but that's the good thing about cooking. Like audio, it only requires the imagination to try something. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "agent86" wrote in message . .. Roger W. Norman wrote: The BEST BBQ sauce is Scott's (not Dorsey) from Goldsboro, NC. http://www.scottsbarbecuesauce.com/ Personally, out of the bottle (rather than my own sauce) I like Bone Sucking Sauce, which can be found at a lot of BBQ sites on the web, but not much on a local basis except for North Carolina. The funny thing is it doesn't taste anything like a normal "Carolina" sauce in that, even though it's a vinegar based sauce, it's just divine (for a product that isn't mine! g). BSS is a bit sweet for my taset, but a lot of folks like it. And, you're right about it being ubiquitous in NC. It's vinegar based (kind of) except in comparison with other NC sauces. In these parts, there's a big religous war between vinegar & red pepper (eastern) vs tomato & molasses (Lexington style). Personally, even though I was born & lived most of my live within a short drive of Lexington, I prefer eastern NC BBQ. 1. sugar based sauces scorch if applied to log-cooking meat too early. 2 tomato based sauces scorch if applied to log-cooking meat too early. With the eastern style sauces, you can mop 'em on right from the get-go. Scotts has a higher pepper / vinegar ratio than most. If you want it hot, give it a good shake. If you don't shake so much, most of the pepper stays on the bottom of the bottle (a waste, if you ask me. Think of all those starving children in your favorite third world country). But we're willing to let most any pork product, slow cooked over hardwood (prefereably hickory) outdoors bear the name "Barbeque". |
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WillStG wrote:
"Stu Venable" They'll probably ask -- why not instead propose a rec.audio.pro.moderated newsgroup? With a moderated newsgroup, you'll have something RAP can't: an enforcement of the charter. I would suport RAP becoming a moderated newsgroup, as long as the moderator/s pledged to enforce the Charter in a Fair and Balanced manner. Why bother? That is what the pro-audio list is for. Basically, when the S/N here started getting really bad in the mid-nineties, most of the regulars left and formed a moderated mailing list. It's an interesting list and I recommend it, but it doesn't have the spontaneity of an open Usenet group. But it is basically what Stu proposes, and it's a good thing. But all this is OT political traffic taking up bandwidth is probably going to recede after the election. After all, if Bush is reelected and Roger moves to Vietnam (as he has suggested he will), Internet access there is likely so slow that he will be writing fewer, and *much* shorter posts... g Actually, net access in Vietnam is pretty good, mostly because of all the tourists from America who want to read mail. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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WillStG wrote:
"Stu Venable" They'll probably ask -- why not instead propose a rec.audio.pro.moderated newsgroup? With a moderated newsgroup, you'll have something RAP can't: an enforcement of the charter. I would suport RAP becoming a moderated newsgroup, as long as the moderator/s pledged to enforce the Charter in a Fair and Balanced manner. Why bother? That is what the pro-audio list is for. Basically, when the S/N here started getting really bad in the mid-nineties, most of the regulars left and formed a moderated mailing list. It's an interesting list and I recommend it, but it doesn't have the spontaneity of an open Usenet group. But it is basically what Stu proposes, and it's a good thing. But all this is OT political traffic taking up bandwidth is probably going to recede after the election. After all, if Bush is reelected and Roger moves to Vietnam (as he has suggested he will), Internet access there is likely so slow that he will be writing fewer, and *much* shorter posts... g Actually, net access in Vietnam is pretty good, mostly because of all the tourists from America who want to read mail. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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"Bob Cain" wrote in message
... Roger, do you have any good sources on how much of a threat that is and what we are possibly doing that could affect that? Sources? How about the mass extinction of about 245 million years ago, which has come down to being a eruption of methane sulfate during a warming period (way before humans were supposedly doing the warming) and, although it took a few thousand years because it wasn't enough to cause immediate extinctions, we're talking about virtually all land based life and 70% of ocean born life. A "minor" eruption off the coast of Sweden has been theorized as being the cause of the end of the last ice age about 12,000 years ago and it was maybe about 1.2 million cubic feet of methane sulfate, based on the "dimples" in the ocean's floor. Specific sources would be difficult to site because it's conjecture supported by other discipline's data that wasn't originally sought for the purpose of explaining something like mass extinction events or the reason for global warming that brought about the end of the ice age. But with, for instance, the lack of CO2 in the ice caps being a problem for global warming proponents, it was a windfall for them when oceanic studies produced a major amount of missing methane sulfate. Studies, btw, that were a product of oil research. Funny how that goes! g The thing being researched that others claim is the reason for global warming (gas) runs smack dab into a highly plausible reason for the last period of major global warming, and, I might add, most likely the cause of the extinction of the saber toothed tiger and the wooly mammoth. For a little reference, one can even look at some of the plausible explanations for the Bermuda Triangle mystery, which many now attribute to some minimal methane sulfate explosions, and there are billions of tons of methane sulfate frozen just off the east coast of the US. Enough to create an extinction event without the help of man at all, and only the depth of the deposits in the frigid temperatures keeps it in it's solid state. To me this is every bit as much of a potential hazard as being hit by a 6 mile wide asteroid or comet, one or the other of which is "guaranteed" to occur by scientists. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio Roger W. Norman wrote: And our greatest competitor for the oil will be China, Without any doubt whatsoever and they will play by rules that will have us utterly flumoxed. The strategy they are already employing will give them a lever far bigger than ours in the marketplace and they just won't care about the battlefield. We _really_ need to start thinking about what it means to be a good citizen in this post-modern world. We're acting just as spoiled and brutish as a nation as Bush did as a man in his 20's. ****, we could figure it all out and still have the methane sulfate explosion that would kill off virtually all life within 100 years. Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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"Bob Cain" wrote in message
... Roger, do you have any good sources on how much of a threat that is and what we are possibly doing that could affect that? Sources? How about the mass extinction of about 245 million years ago, which has come down to being a eruption of methane sulfate during a warming period (way before humans were supposedly doing the warming) and, although it took a few thousand years because it wasn't enough to cause immediate extinctions, we're talking about virtually all land based life and 70% of ocean born life. A "minor" eruption off the coast of Sweden has been theorized as being the cause of the end of the last ice age about 12,000 years ago and it was maybe about 1.2 million cubic feet of methane sulfate, based on the "dimples" in the ocean's floor. Specific sources would be difficult to site because it's conjecture supported by other discipline's data that wasn't originally sought for the purpose of explaining something like mass extinction events or the reason for global warming that brought about the end of the ice age. But with, for instance, the lack of CO2 in the ice caps being a problem for global warming proponents, it was a windfall for them when oceanic studies produced a major amount of missing methane sulfate. Studies, btw, that were a product of oil research. Funny how that goes! g The thing being researched that others claim is the reason for global warming (gas) runs smack dab into a highly plausible reason for the last period of major global warming, and, I might add, most likely the cause of the extinction of the saber toothed tiger and the wooly mammoth. For a little reference, one can even look at some of the plausible explanations for the Bermuda Triangle mystery, which many now attribute to some minimal methane sulfate explosions, and there are billions of tons of methane sulfate frozen just off the east coast of the US. Enough to create an extinction event without the help of man at all, and only the depth of the deposits in the frigid temperatures keeps it in it's solid state. To me this is every bit as much of a potential hazard as being hit by a 6 mile wide asteroid or comet, one or the other of which is "guaranteed" to occur by scientists. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio Roger W. Norman wrote: And our greatest competitor for the oil will be China, Without any doubt whatsoever and they will play by rules that will have us utterly flumoxed. The strategy they are already employing will give them a lever far bigger than ours in the marketplace and they just won't care about the battlefield. We _really_ need to start thinking about what it means to be a good citizen in this post-modern world. We're acting just as spoiled and brutish as a nation as Bush did as a man in his 20's. ****, we could figure it all out and still have the methane sulfate explosion that would kill off virtually all life within 100 years. Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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Roger W. Norman wrote:
Whether it scrolls off the the threads by now is a matter of how much your news server devotes to threads. Some may not see it, but most probably will. If that were true and the majority of users of this group are aware of this thread, you will note that only a handful of people have taken an interest. To get a rec.* group created, you have to have 100 more people vote yes for it than vote no. Are you telling me that, if you started this discussion in a new thread today there wouldn't be far more participation in the discussion? I would say that yes there would and the reason is because this thread has become lost in the masses of traffic that this group receives each day. Hence my point. I just want to re establish my position on the matter. I'm not really a regular on RAP. I lurk here on occasion but my main interest in RAP siphoning off traffic into amh-s. I shouldn't be trying to impose my ideas of what should happen to the group onto other people. I do think that the creation of a subgroup for OT discussion would be a good idea. I think that is reasonable that people might want to discuss general issues with other members of RAP. I don't think that it should take place in the main RAP group. If people would like to do this, I'd be happy to help with advice; I can tell anyone who is interested what is involved and where to get the information they need. I not willing to head the project. I'd vote in favor of it. -- ***My real address is m/ike at u/nmusic d/ot co dot u/k (removing /s) np: http://www.unmusic.co.uk http://www.unmusic.co.uk/Top_50_Films.html - favorite films http://www.unmusic.co.uk/amh-s.html - alt.music.home-studio |
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Roger W. Norman wrote:
Whether it scrolls off the the threads by now is a matter of how much your news server devotes to threads. Some may not see it, but most probably will. If that were true and the majority of users of this group are aware of this thread, you will note that only a handful of people have taken an interest. To get a rec.* group created, you have to have 100 more people vote yes for it than vote no. Are you telling me that, if you started this discussion in a new thread today there wouldn't be far more participation in the discussion? I would say that yes there would and the reason is because this thread has become lost in the masses of traffic that this group receives each day. Hence my point. I just want to re establish my position on the matter. I'm not really a regular on RAP. I lurk here on occasion but my main interest in RAP siphoning off traffic into amh-s. I shouldn't be trying to impose my ideas of what should happen to the group onto other people. I do think that the creation of a subgroup for OT discussion would be a good idea. I think that is reasonable that people might want to discuss general issues with other members of RAP. I don't think that it should take place in the main RAP group. If people would like to do this, I'd be happy to help with advice; I can tell anyone who is interested what is involved and where to get the information they need. I not willing to head the project. I'd vote in favor of it. -- ***My real address is m/ike at u/nmusic d/ot co dot u/k (removing /s) np: http://www.unmusic.co.uk http://www.unmusic.co.uk/Top_50_Films.html - favorite films http://www.unmusic.co.uk/amh-s.html - alt.music.home-studio |
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WillStG wrote:
playon Pakistan is a haven of anti-American "Islamists" as you like to call them, including both Taliban and Al Qaida. Tell me something new. How about this, the post he was responding to: WillStG wrote: ... but if want us to invade Pakistan why not Canada too? After all they're both allies - kinda. Although Pakistan is doing more to help at this point. |
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WillStG wrote:
playon Pakistan is a haven of anti-American "Islamists" as you like to call them, including both Taliban and Al Qaida. Tell me something new. How about this, the post he was responding to: WillStG wrote: ... but if want us to invade Pakistan why not Canada too? After all they're both allies - kinda. Although Pakistan is doing more to help at this point. |
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Thanks. Something I did not know. And it throws somewhat a damper on the
idea unfortunately. I have the means to put up a server with a webboard, but I'm really not all that interested in doing so because I simply don't have the time to adminster it and be a participant. I'm not giving up being a participant! g Perhaps we need to look at other alternatives. Got any ideas? -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "killermike" wrote in message ... Roger W. Norman wrote: Whether it scrolls off the the threads by now is a matter of how much your news server devotes to threads. Some may not see it, but most probably will. If that were true and the majority of users of this group are aware of this thread, you will note that only a handful of people have taken an interest. To get a rec.* group created, you have to have 100 more people vote yes for it than vote no. Are you telling me that, if you started this discussion in a new thread today there wouldn't be far more participation in the discussion? I would say that yes there would and the reason is because this thread has become lost in the masses of traffic that this group receives each day. Hence my point. I just want to re establish my position on the matter. I'm not really a regular on RAP. I lurk here on occasion but my main interest in RAP siphoning off traffic into amh-s. I shouldn't be trying to impose my ideas of what should happen to the group onto other people. I do think that the creation of a subgroup for OT discussion would be a good idea. I think that is reasonable that people might want to discuss general issues with other members of RAP. I don't think that it should take place in the main RAP group. If people would like to do this, I'd be happy to help with advice; I can tell anyone who is interested what is involved and where to get the information they need. I not willing to head the project. I'd vote in favor of it. -- ***My real address is m/ike at u/nmusic d/ot co dot u/k (removing /s) np: http://www.unmusic.co.uk http://www.unmusic.co.uk/Top_50_Films.html - favorite films http://www.unmusic.co.uk/amh-s.html - alt.music.home-studio |
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Thanks. Something I did not know. And it throws somewhat a damper on the
idea unfortunately. I have the means to put up a server with a webboard, but I'm really not all that interested in doing so because I simply don't have the time to adminster it and be a participant. I'm not giving up being a participant! g Perhaps we need to look at other alternatives. Got any ideas? -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "killermike" wrote in message ... Roger W. Norman wrote: Whether it scrolls off the the threads by now is a matter of how much your news server devotes to threads. Some may not see it, but most probably will. If that were true and the majority of users of this group are aware of this thread, you will note that only a handful of people have taken an interest. To get a rec.* group created, you have to have 100 more people vote yes for it than vote no. Are you telling me that, if you started this discussion in a new thread today there wouldn't be far more participation in the discussion? I would say that yes there would and the reason is because this thread has become lost in the masses of traffic that this group receives each day. Hence my point. I just want to re establish my position on the matter. I'm not really a regular on RAP. I lurk here on occasion but my main interest in RAP siphoning off traffic into amh-s. I shouldn't be trying to impose my ideas of what should happen to the group onto other people. I do think that the creation of a subgroup for OT discussion would be a good idea. I think that is reasonable that people might want to discuss general issues with other members of RAP. I don't think that it should take place in the main RAP group. If people would like to do this, I'd be happy to help with advice; I can tell anyone who is interested what is involved and where to get the information they need. I not willing to head the project. I'd vote in favor of it. -- ***My real address is m/ike at u/nmusic d/ot co dot u/k (removing /s) np: http://www.unmusic.co.uk http://www.unmusic.co.uk/Top_50_Films.html - favorite films http://www.unmusic.co.uk/amh-s.html - alt.music.home-studio |
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Roger W. Norman wrote: "Bob Cain" wrote in message ... Roger, do you have any good sources on how much of a threat that is and what we are possibly doing that could affect that? Sources? How about the mass extinction of about 245 million years ago, which has come down to being a eruption of methane sulfate during a warming period (way before humans were supposedly doing the warming) and, although it took a few thousand years because it wasn't enough to cause immediate extinctions, we're talking about virtually all land based life and 70% of ocean born life. Roger, I wasn't challenging you, I just want to look further into this and to find out to what degree the global effects civiliation is having on the planet influence that phenomenon. Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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Roger W. Norman wrote: "Bob Cain" wrote in message ... Roger, do you have any good sources on how much of a threat that is and what we are possibly doing that could affect that? Sources? How about the mass extinction of about 245 million years ago, which has come down to being a eruption of methane sulfate during a warming period (way before humans were supposedly doing the warming) and, although it took a few thousand years because it wasn't enough to cause immediate extinctions, we're talking about virtually all land based life and 70% of ocean born life. Roger, I wasn't challenging you, I just want to look further into this and to find out to what degree the global effects civiliation is having on the planet influence that phenomenon. Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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In article , Bob Cain
wrote: Roger W. Norman wrote: "Bob Cain" wrote in message ... Roger, do you have any good sources on how much of a threat that is and what we are possibly doing that could affect that? Sources? How about the mass extinction of about 245 million years ago, which has come down to being a eruption of methane sulfate during a warming period (way before humans were supposedly doing the warming) and, although it took a few thousand years because it wasn't enough to cause immediate extinctions, we're talking about virtually all land based life and 70% of ocean born life. Roger, I wasn't challenging you, I just want to look further into this and to find out to what degree the global effects civiliation is having on the planet influence that phenomenon. Bob Check out the September 2004 issue of National Geographic. -Jay -- x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x x-------- http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/~jay/ ----------x |
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In article , Bob Cain
wrote: Roger W. Norman wrote: "Bob Cain" wrote in message ... Roger, do you have any good sources on how much of a threat that is and what we are possibly doing that could affect that? Sources? How about the mass extinction of about 245 million years ago, which has come down to being a eruption of methane sulfate during a warming period (way before humans were supposedly doing the warming) and, although it took a few thousand years because it wasn't enough to cause immediate extinctions, we're talking about virtually all land based life and 70% of ocean born life. Roger, I wasn't challenging you, I just want to look further into this and to find out to what degree the global effects civiliation is having on the planet influence that phenomenon. Bob Check out the September 2004 issue of National Geographic. -Jay -- x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x x-------- http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/~jay/ ----------x |
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 21:04:12 -0400, George wrote
(in article ): In article , playon wrote: You could always take the intiative and start rec.audio.pro.uptight... Al Ha Ha ha ty is using off-topic ranting to rant about off topic rants does anyone else see the irony no wonder he deserves the killfile George Bite me George, you legendary abuser of newsgroup rules. BTW, Play lacks the cohones to put a real email address up, otherwise I would have responded to him directly. And off list. At least Roger has had the honesty to put his stuff on the line. You're too busy ****ing in everyone else's well to start your own newsgroup where you can do what you want. Ty Ford -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric stuff are at www.tyford.com |
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 21:04:12 -0400, George wrote
(in article ): In article , playon wrote: You could always take the intiative and start rec.audio.pro.uptight... Al Ha Ha ha ty is using off-topic ranting to rant about off topic rants does anyone else see the irony no wonder he deserves the killfile George Bite me George, you legendary abuser of newsgroup rules. BTW, Play lacks the cohones to put a real email address up, otherwise I would have responded to him directly. And off list. At least Roger has had the honesty to put his stuff on the line. You're too busy ****ing in everyone else's well to start your own newsgroup where you can do what you want. Ty Ford -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric stuff are at www.tyford.com |
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 19:24:49 -0400, Raglan wrote
(in article ): These threads are nearly always American-centric. True, but would you deny that the policies & actions of the President of the USA have an effect on the rest of the world in this day & age? Listen, guys, I'm a South African far far away and I find this sort of OT discussion gives fascinating insight into the minds of Americans, the Romans in this new age of empire, as it were. I prefer to read it here because, as a long-time lurker in this group, I know many of you from your on-topic postings and your lighter remarks. So I have a sense of your non-political personalities, which gives far better context than reading the rantings of unknowns in politics-only groups. And as for those who try so hard to banish OT posts, why don't you just not read them? Nobody's forcing you. Raglan Which is the equivalent of saying, "**** the leash and poop laws. I'm going to let my dog crap on the footpath, just walk around it." There's a special place for you in pugatory Rag; cleaning up after millions of dog owners who don't give a crap about where their dogs crap. Sincerely, Ty Ford -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric stuff are at www.tyford.com |
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 19:24:49 -0400, Raglan wrote
(in article ): These threads are nearly always American-centric. True, but would you deny that the policies & actions of the President of the USA have an effect on the rest of the world in this day & age? Listen, guys, I'm a South African far far away and I find this sort of OT discussion gives fascinating insight into the minds of Americans, the Romans in this new age of empire, as it were. I prefer to read it here because, as a long-time lurker in this group, I know many of you from your on-topic postings and your lighter remarks. So I have a sense of your non-political personalities, which gives far better context than reading the rantings of unknowns in politics-only groups. And as for those who try so hard to banish OT posts, why don't you just not read them? Nobody's forcing you. Raglan Which is the equivalent of saying, "**** the leash and poop laws. I'm going to let my dog crap on the footpath, just walk around it." There's a special place for you in pugatory Rag; cleaning up after millions of dog owners who don't give a crap about where their dogs crap. Sincerely, Ty Ford -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric stuff are at www.tyford.com |
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 23:12:00 -0400, WillStG wrote
(in article ): "Stu Venable" They'll probably ask -- why not instead propose a rec.audio.pro.moderated newsgroup? With a moderated newsgroup, you'll have something RAP can't: an enforcement of the charter. I would suport RAP becoming a moderated newsgroup, as long as the moderator/s pledged to enforce the Charter in a Fair and Balanced manner. But considering the traffic here it would be an awfully big commitment to take on, and there would be numbnuts playing hit and run, they'd get banned and then use anonymous remailers... But all this is OT political traffic taking up bandwidth is probably going to recede after the election. After all, if Bush is reelected and Roger moves to Vietnam (as he has suggested he will), Internet access there is likely so slow that he will be writing fewer, and *much* shorter posts... g I don't think so. I think this is actually a reaction to 9/11. People feel jammed up about the event and somehow have come to the conclusion that a newsgroup is a good place to dump their ****. They are wrong, btw, but they still have a lot of unprocessed **** and this newsgroup is the unfortunate pot they've decided to dump in. The political issues are just laxatives for the real deal. As has been proven before many times, "Ugly Americans" are everywhere. Sincerely, Ty Ford -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric stuff are at www.tyford.com |
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 23:12:00 -0400, WillStG wrote
(in article ): "Stu Venable" They'll probably ask -- why not instead propose a rec.audio.pro.moderated newsgroup? With a moderated newsgroup, you'll have something RAP can't: an enforcement of the charter. I would suport RAP becoming a moderated newsgroup, as long as the moderator/s pledged to enforce the Charter in a Fair and Balanced manner. But considering the traffic here it would be an awfully big commitment to take on, and there would be numbnuts playing hit and run, they'd get banned and then use anonymous remailers... But all this is OT political traffic taking up bandwidth is probably going to recede after the election. After all, if Bush is reelected and Roger moves to Vietnam (as he has suggested he will), Internet access there is likely so slow that he will be writing fewer, and *much* shorter posts... g I don't think so. I think this is actually a reaction to 9/11. People feel jammed up about the event and somehow have come to the conclusion that a newsgroup is a good place to dump their ****. They are wrong, btw, but they still have a lot of unprocessed **** and this newsgroup is the unfortunate pot they've decided to dump in. The political issues are just laxatives for the real deal. As has been proven before many times, "Ugly Americans" are everywhere. Sincerely, Ty Ford -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric stuff are at www.tyford.com |
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