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Battery And Assault - iPod's Unreplaceable Battery Lasts Only 18 Months
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"Wharfrat" wrote: does anyone recommend any other mp3 players? I don't want to conform to the Ipod. You might want to try getting the actual facts, rather than the bull****. -- You are what you eat, therefore, I'm a vegetable! Cows and chickens and Pop Tarts are too. |
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Howard Shubs wrote:
In article , "Wharfrat" wrote: does anyone recommend any other mp3 players? I don't want to conform to the Ipod. You might want to try getting the actual facts, rather than the bull****. Perhapse you would like to share? -- Check out the gaming & computer forums at the [SS] clan site. http://www.shamikaserver.com |
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On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 12:08:19 -0500, Howard Shubs
wrote: In article , "Wharfrat" wrote: does anyone recommend any other mp3 players? I don't want to conform to the Ipod. You might want to try getting the actual facts, rather than the bull****. If the facts are that he prefers not to get an iPod, where is the bull****, other than clogging your keyboard? |
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WindsorFox[SS] wrote:
Howard Shubs wrote: In article , "Wharfrat" wrote: does anyone recommend any other mp3 players? I don't want to conform to the Ipod. You might want to try getting the actual facts, rather than the bull****. Perhapse you would like to share? Sure - how about 5 buddies who all bought generation 1 iPods within 4 weeks of each other - right after they came out. All 5 iPods are going strong. My wife is using my original iPod and last month she took my car to go shopping. My pod was in it. The day was unseasonably warm and sunny so I grabbed my bike and went for a long ride up to the lake and back. That's about a 4 hour trip there and back. I had lunch on the dock and took some pictures of the geese. Another hour or so. When I got home I had one bar showing. So we are talking 5 1/2 to 6 hours of use, one bar remaining, and a two year old pod. |
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No SPAM Sam wrote:
WindsorFox[SS] wrote: Perhapse you would like to share? Sure - how about 5 buddies who all bought generation 1 iPods within 4 weeks of each other - right after they came out. All 5 iPods are going strong. What does that have to do with the fact that a lot of them have dead batteries? Just because yours still works does not mean the guy who says he has one with a dead battery is lying and the fact is though it can be forcibly opened, it sure does not LOOK like Apple meant for the battery to be replaced. -- Check out the gaming & computer forums at the [SS] clan site. http://www.shamikaserver.com |
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In article h2ZJb.68844$hf1.25659@lakeread06,
"WindsorFox[SS]" wrote: What does that have to do with the fact that a lot of them have dead batteries? Just because yours still works does not mean the guy who says he has one with a dead battery is lying and the fact is though it can be forcibly opened, it sure does not LOOK like Apple meant for the battery to be replaced. Given that Apple has a replacement program adopted before this bs started, I figure the whole issue goes away. Batteries don't last forever. -- You are what you eat, therefore, I'm a vegetable! Cows and chickens and Pop Tarts are too. |
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WindsorFox[SS] wrote:
No SPAM Sam wrote: WindsorFox[SS] wrote: Perhapse you would like to share? Sure - how about 5 buddies who all bought generation 1 iPods within 4 weeks of each other - right after they came out. All 5 iPods are going strong. What does that have to do with the fact that a lot of them have dead batteries? But are there 'a lot' of dead batteries? We certainly know that two graffiti artists claim their iPod battery died - and it probably did. While they had reason to shade the truth about their story (they wouldn't be getting tons of attention without shading the truth) I'll accept their battery died. But what is a lot? Given how many iPods Apple as sold are we hearing the loud voices of a few or murmering of many? I know lots of people who have iPods - my 5 buddies and I among the earliest of adopters. We are all getting at least 5 hours on a charge still and I know no one personally who has a dead battery. I do know two people who chose to replace their batteries when the charge dropped to around 5 hours. Just because yours still works does not mean the guy who says he has one with a dead battery is lying and the fact is though it can be forcibly opened, Forcibly openned? I think not. No, there is no battery compartment like my cell phone has. But it isn't sealed either. Both the original iPod and the new 3rd generation can be easily opened. The metal case is manufactured so that little prongs grab at the plastic. I used a plastic magnetic key to open the two pods I've changed batteries on. (Being a techie my friends ask me to fix their stuff) it sure does not LOOK like Apple meant for the battery to be replaced. Naturally that is why Apple has a battery replacement program - because they don't want the battery replaced. |
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Howard Shubs wrote in news:howard-1F3520.13561004012004
@enews.newsguy.com: In article h2ZJb.68844$hf1.25659@lakeread06, "WindsorFox[SS]" wrote: What does that have to do with the fact that a lot of them have dead batteries? Just because yours still works does not mean the guy who says he has one with a dead battery is lying and the fact is though it can be forcibly opened, it sure does not LOOK like Apple meant for the battery to be replaced. Given that Apple has a replacement program adopted before this bs started, I figure the whole issue goes away. Batteries don't last forever. $100 to get the battery replaced doesn't impress me very much. |
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does anyone recommend any other mp3 players? I don't want to conform to
theIpod.... A much better alternative is the Sony MiniDisc. Much better sound and especially editing capabilities. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
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Howard Shubs wrote:
In article h2ZJb.68844$hf1.25659@lakeread06, "WindsorFox[SS]" wrote: What does that have to do with the fact that a lot of them have dead batteries? Just because yours still works does not mean the guy who says he has one with a dead battery is lying and the fact is though it can be forcibly opened, it sure does not LOOK like Apple meant for the battery to be replaced. Given that Apple has a replacement program adopted before this bs started, I figure the whole issue goes away. Batteries don't last forever. The replacement program started after the "bs" and it's still over $100 to send it to be replaced. Most MP3 players have user replacable battries. -- Check out the gaming & computer forums at the [SS] clan site. http://www.shamikaserver.com |
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In fL4Lb.70299$hf1.62153@lakeread06 WindsorFox[SS] wrote:
Howard Shubs wrote: In article h2ZJb.68844$hf1.25659@lakeread06, "WindsorFox[SS]" wrote: What does that have to do with the fact that a lot of them have dead batteries? Just because yours still works does not mean the guy who says he has one with a dead battery is lying and the fact is though it can be forcibly opened, it sure does not LOOK like Apple meant for the battery to be replaced. Given that Apple has a replacement program adopted before this bs started, I figure the whole issue goes away. Batteries don't last forever. The replacement program started after the "bs" and it's still over $100 to send it to be replaced. Most MP3 players have user replacable battries. So go buy one of those. I can;t believe this thread is still going on. You KNOW the iPod has a battery issue and it costs 100 bucks for Apple to replace it or 50 bucks to replace it yourself. If you don't like it buy another brand....... What is the point of arguing about this??? |
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Dell has something similar to the Ipod for alot less!!! I havent tried it
out yet but I bet its better than an Ipod too! Bean -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Are you still wasting your time with spam?... There is a solution!" Protected by GIANT Company's Spam Inspector The most powerful anti-spam software available. http://mail.spaminspector.com "WindsorFox[SS]" wrote in message news:fL4Lb.70299$hf1.62153@lakeread06... Howard Shubs wrote: In article h2ZJb.68844$hf1.25659@lakeread06, "WindsorFox[SS]" wrote: What does that have to do with the fact that a lot of them have dead batteries? Just because yours still works does not mean the guy who says he has one with a dead battery is lying and the fact is though it can be forcibly opened, it sure does not LOOK like Apple meant for the battery to be replaced. Given that Apple has a replacement program adopted before this bs started, I figure the whole issue goes away. Batteries don't last forever. The replacement program started after the "bs" and it's still over $100 to send it to be replaced. Most MP3 players have user replacable battries. -- Check out the gaming & computer forums at the [SS] clan site. http://www.shamikaserver.com |
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The replacement program started after the "bs" and it's still
over $100 to send it to be replaced. Most MP3 players have user-replacable batteries. It seems that those with hard drives do not (in the sense of simply opening a door and dropping in a new battery pack). |
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Don Bean wrote:
Dell has something similar to the Ipod for alot less!!! I havent tried it out yet but I bet its better than an Ipod too! Dell's 15 gig iPod clone is $249 regular price. It is USB 2.0 only, and the interface sucks harshly. It also works with MusicMatch Basic. It supports WMA and MP3. Dimensions: 4.1" x 2.7" x 0.86", 7.6 oz. Apple's 15 gig iPod is $299 and supports Firewire or USB 2.0. It works with iTunes or MusicMatch. It supports AAC and MP3. Dimensions: 4.2" x 2.4" x 0.62", 5.6oz. For $50 you get a better (and smaller/lighter) design, better PC connection interface, better sound and more connection options. You lose some battery capacity, though. Which is the better deal depends on your needs. Personally, I'm quite happy with my iPod, and I'm glad I spent the extra $50. -- "Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice." |
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Phauch wrote:
So go buy one of those. I can;t believe this thread is still going on. You KNOW the iPod has a battery issue and it costs 100 bucks for Apple to replace it or 50 bucks to replace it yourself. If you don't like it buy another brand....... What is the point of arguing about this??? If you do not likethe discussion why not follow your own advice. -- Check out the gaming & computer forums at the [SS] clan site. http://www.shamikaserver.com |
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Alex Rodriguez wrote:
And you'll pay an extra $50 each time your battery dies. I expect I'll want a newer model before the battery dies. This is first generation iPods that are dying now, and I only got mine in November. -- "Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice." |
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In article %nBLb.36244$X%5.4777@pd7tw2no,
Steven Fisher wrote: Alex Rodriguez wrote: And you'll pay an extra $50 each time your battery dies. I expect I'll want a newer model before the battery dies. This is first generation iPods that are dying now, and I only got mine in November. My guess is, that this guy Alex doesn't own a camcorder, or any other device where you have to replace batteries when they wear out, for somewhere around $50. |
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Steve wrote:
My guess is, that this guy Alex doesn't own a camcorder, or any other device where you have to replace batteries when they wear out, for somewhere around $50. Well, it might just be a joke. But you're right that $50 for a battery is not a big deal. Most cell phone batteries run under that, but usually not a lot under it. The cell phones themselves are frequently only a little more than the batteries if you can get a discount from your provider for a contract. -- "Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice." |
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Some extended warranties even cover battery replacement.
When I bought a Palm T3 at a pretty good discount, I decided to use the "savings" to buy a service contract that covered just about everything, including normal wear and tear and battery replacement. |
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Don Bean wrote:
Dell has something similar to the Ipod for alot less!!! I havent tried it out yet but I bet its better than an Ipod too! Tell yah what. Order one. Use it for a while and report back. |
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On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 13:50:49 -0500, Steve wrote:
In article %nBLb.36244$X%5.4777@pd7tw2no, Steven Fisher wrote: Alex Rodriguez wrote: And you'll pay an extra $50 each time your battery dies. I expect I'll want a newer model before the battery dies. This is first generation iPods that are dying now, and I only got mine in November. My guess is, that this guy Alex doesn't own a camcorder, or any other device where you have to replace batteries when they wear out, for somewhere around $50. When was the last time you heard of the owner of a camcorder being told by the manufacturer that the battery in his device was not a user-servicable item, and he would have to return the unit to a factory-authorized service center for replacement? That's the extra $50 he was referring to, I'd assume. |
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On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 18:53:47 GMT, Steven Fisher
wrote: Steve wrote: My guess is, that this guy Alex doesn't own a camcorder, or any other device where you have to replace batteries when they wear out, for somewhere around $50. Well, it might just be a joke. But you're right that $50 for a battery is not a big deal. Most cell phone batteries run under that, but usually not a lot under it. The cell phones themselves are frequently only a little more than the batteries if you can get a discount from your provider for a contract. A friend was told, just this morning, that she could replace the battery in her Nokia phone for about $55, or she could have a free phone by extending her service agreement by two years. |
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I overheard Bob Ward saying:
When was the last time you heard of the owner of a camcorder being told by the manufacturer that the battery in his device was not a user-servicable item, and he would have to return the unit to a factory-authorized service center for replacement? If the iPod had a little battery door that snapped open, it would be fine. But for obvious reasons you can't change the battery yourself. I prefer it that way...I don't want a battery compartment to mess with. And mine has been working perfectly--so why change it. Brian (it's not like every other one dies...) -- I'm crazy!? www.iBrian.tk __________ / |__|__| \ | .\ @ /. | thats one sick bus! | o \ / o | Email me at: Brian1 at unc dot edu http://db.etree.org/briantelope |
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I overheard Bob Ward saying:
When was the last time you heard of the owner of a camcorder being told by the manufacturer that the battery in his device was not a user-servicable item, and he would have to return the unit to a factory-authorized service center for replacement? If the iPod had a little battery door that snapped open, it would be fine. But for obvious reasons you can't change the battery yourself. I prefer it that way...I don't want a battery compartment to mess with. And mine has been working perfectly--so why change it. Brian (it's not like every other one dies...) -- I'm crazy!? www.iBrian.tk __________ / |__|__| \ | .\ @ /. | thats one sick bus! | o \ / o | Email me at: Brian1 at unc dot edu http://db.etree.org/briantelope |
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I overheard Bob Ward saying:
When was the last time you heard of the owner of a camcorder being told by the manufacturer that the battery in his device was not a user-servicable item, and he would have to return the unit to a factory-authorized service center for replacement? If the iPod had a little battery door that snapped open, it would be fine. But for obvious reasons you can't change the battery yourself. I prefer it that way...I don't want a battery compartment to mess with. And mine has been working perfectly--so why change it. Brian (it's not like every other one dies...) -- I'm crazy!? www.iBrian.tk __________ / |__|__| \ | .\ @ /. | thats one sick bus! | o \ / o | Email me at: Brian1 at unc dot edu http://db.etree.org/briantelope |
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Briantelope wrote in news:20040109230128870-0500
@News.Individual.NET: I overheard Bob Ward saying: When was the last time you heard of the owner of a camcorder being told by the manufacturer that the battery in his device was not a user-servicable item, and he would have to return the unit to a factory-authorized service center for replacement? If the iPod had a little battery door that snapped open, it would be fine. But for obvious reasons you can't change the battery yourself. I prefer it that way...I don't want a battery compartment to mess with. And mine has been working perfectly--so why change it. Brian (it's not like every other one dies...) But if it's YOUR'S that dies, it doesn't much matter does it? Wayne |
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I overheard Wayne Boatwright saying:
If the iPod had a little battery door that snapped open, it would be fine. But for obvious reasons you can't change the battery yourself. I prefer it that way...I don't want a battery compartment to mess with. And mine has been working perfectly--so why change it. Brian (it's not like every other one dies...) But if it's YOUR'S that dies, it doesn't much matter does it? Wayne If mine dies, I realize that I got the one out of thousands that had a messed up battery. Life goes on. Nothing is a sure bet. Brian (gettin' philosophical) -- I'm crazy!? www.iBrian.tk __________ / |__|__| \ | .\ @ /. | thats one sick bus! | o \ / o | Email me at: Brian1 at unc dot edu http://db.etree.org/briantelope |
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In article ,
Briantelope wrote: I overheard Bob Ward saying: When was the last time you heard of the owner of a camcorder being told by the manufacturer that the battery in his device was not a user-servicable item, and he would have to return the unit to a factory-authorized service center for replacement? If the iPod had a little battery door that snapped open, it would be fine. But for obvious reasons you can't change the battery yourself. I prefer it that way...I don't want a battery compartment to mess with. And mine has been working perfectly--so why change it. Sure you can. You just need to know how to change the battery. Do a web search for "iPod battery" and you'll find lots of info. |
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I overheard Me saying:
If the iPod had a little battery door that snapped open, it would be fine. But for obvious reasons you can't change the battery yourself. I prefer it that way...I don't want a battery compartment to mess with. And mine has been working perfectly--so why change it. Sure you can. You just need to know how to change the battery. Do a web search for "iPod battery" and you'll find lots of info. Yes, of course. My diction was bad; let me rephrase that. For obvious reasons Apple doesn't condone changing the battery yourself. Yes, you can physicall do it. But how many people you think would try it and F up their iPod? Then what? If Apple condoned doing it yourself they'd have some problems. Personally, I'd think twice before I started prying open my iPod. And I'm pretty good with my hands and electronics. Brian (clarity) -- I'm crazy!? www.iBrian.tk __________ / |__|__| \ | .\ @ /. | thats one sick bus! | o \ / o | Email me at: Brian1 at unc dot edu http://db.etree.org/briantelope |
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In LMnLb.70398$hf1.5044@lakeread06 WindsorFox[SS] wrote:
Phauch wrote: So go buy one of those. I can;t believe this thread is still going on. You KNOW the iPod has a battery issue and it costs 100 bucks for Apple to replace it or 50 bucks to replace it yourself. If you don't like it buy another brand....... What is the point of arguing about this??? If you do not likethe discussion why not follow your own advice. The discussion was fine, but the proverbial dead horse has been so badly beaten that there is nothing left....... |
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I overheard Phauch saying:
The discussion was fine, but the proverbial dead horse has been so badly beaten that there is nothing left....... Is there enough left to floss? Brian (a reference lost on 80% of the people here I bet) -- I'm crazy!? www.iBrian.tk __________ / |__|__| \ | .\ @ /. | thats one sick bus! | o \ / o | Email me at: Brian1 at unc dot edu http://db.etree.org/briantelope |
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On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 03:40:52 -0500, Alex Rodriguez
wrote: In article , says... In article %nBLb.36244$X%5.4777@pd7tw2no, Steven Fisher wrote: Alex Rodriguez wrote: And you'll pay an extra $50 each time your battery dies. I expect I'll want a newer model before the battery dies. This is first generation iPods that are dying now, and I only got mine in November. My guess is, that this guy Alex doesn't own a camcorder, or any other device where you have to replace batteries when they wear out, for somewhere around $50. I wouldn't buy any device that requires me to pay someone $50 to change the batteries. Pretty straight forward. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to change a battery and I have better things to do with $50. --------------- Alex Don't buy an iPod, Alex - obviously you are too ****ing stupid to be able to use it anyway.. Of course, in that case, you'd never know whether the battery needs replacing in any event. |
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On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 0:40:52 -0800, Alex Rodriguez wrote
(in message ): I wouldn't buy any device that requires me to pay someone $50 to change the batteries. Pretty straight forward. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to change a battery and I have better things to do with $50. A fcouple weeks ago a riend of mine was looking for a cell phone. I gave him mine, but told him it needed a new battery. A few days ago when I saw him, he had a different cell phone. I asked whiy. He told me that the replacement battery would have run $65, and the new phone (which included a battery) was $70. |
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On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 01:35:00 -0500, Alex Rodriguez
wrote: In article , says... Don't buy an iPod, Alex - obviously you are too ****ing stupid to be able to use it anyway.. Of course, in that case, you'd never know whether the battery needs replacing in any event. I don't need an idiots advice to tell me not to buy an ipod. As stupid as you imagine me to be, I'm smart to know better than to buy a device that costs more than comparable devices and then expects me to toss it or pay an outrageous amount of money to swap out a battery. -------------- Alex The fact that it costs more would not be the determining factor in my decision. The manufacturer's expectations regarding obsolescence or battery replacement would not be a deterrant either. The iPod has a pretty good reputation for being a clean, simple, elegant, and easy-to-use device, and if I were in the market for that type of device, I would probably give it serious consideration. |
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Alex Rodriguez wrote:
In article , says... The fact that it costs more would not be the determining factor in my decision. The manufacturer's expectations regarding obsolescence or battery replacement would not be a deterrant either. The iPod has a pretty good reputation for being a clean, simple, elegant, and easy-to-use device, and if I were in the market for that type of device, I would probably give it serious consideration. If I had money to throw away, then I too would give it consideration. But since I do car about cost, I eliminate the models that don't give me value for my money. Well Alex, you are going to look like a stupid ass idiot with a 5 year old Dell desktop strapped to your back. But hey, you sure won't have to worry about the battery going bad. If you like, I'll send you my white earbuds. That way from far away you'll look cool. |
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Bob Ward wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 01:35:00 -0500, Alex Rodriguez wrote: In article , says... Don't buy an iPod, Alex - obviously you are too ****ing stupid to be able to use it anyway.. Of course, in that case, you'd never know whether the battery needs replacing in any event. I don't need an idiots advice to tell me not to buy an ipod. As stupid as you imagine me to be, I'm smart to know better than to buy a device that costs more than comparable devices and then expects me to toss it or pay an outrageous amount of money to swap out a battery. -------------- Alex The fact that it costs more would not be the determining factor in my decision. The manufacturer's expectations regarding obsolescence or battery replacement would not be a deterrant either. The iPod has a pretty good reputation for being a clean, simple, elegant, and easy-to-use device, and if I were in the market for that type of device, I would probably give it serious consideration. Wow, what an ass. You are calling Alex stupid which I know to be totally untrue from several years in severeal different Usenet groups, yet you are not savvy enough yourself to provide proof to your point without the use of foul language and personal attacks. It severely lessens your credibility. -- Check out the gaming & computer forums at the [SS] clan site. http://www.shamikaserver.com |