[EEng]

carsss wrote:
The RIAA/MPAA came out in support of their jewish brothers
proportionate and reasonable response to the Hezbollah terrorists
today. "For every kayastha rocket that bounces off the roof of an
Israeli building, we will drop 800 lazer guided bombs, destroy three
hospitals, kill 900 children sue you grandma for hurt feelings and
throw your children into abject poverty" a spokesman for Jewish
RIAA/MPAA exthortion racket said.

Your sarcasm noted. Given that the trigger event was just the
kidnapping of two soldiers from their home soil by sworn enemies of
Israel, the Israeli response would indeed appear to be excessive force
above and beyond the political egress which would have sufficed, but
only for the short term. One month later, We now know that Israeli
intelligence was aware of things at the time, that we were not. One,
that Iran not only sponsors and supplies Hezbollah, but in fact,
orchestrated the incursion with eager anticipation of the events that
followed. They wanted this, Iran has proudly admitted to this. This
is not a war between Israel and Lebanon, this is a proxy war being
fought in Israel and Lebanon, with Hezbollah being the willing
fighters, prepared to die for a country they no longer have allegience
to if it means they get to kill Jews. Realize that it is Iran and some
other muslim states that want the destruction of Israel. The Hez
merely want to kill Jews and this is their opportunity. Iran has no
problem with allowing them to do this except that Iran no longer has
the control over the Hez they thought they had.

What we know today is that this is about Iran stamping its foot and
saying "oh yeah?" to the west, for even daring to think about placing
sanctions against Iran for its nuclear program, after having just done
the same with N. Korea. Interestingly but not surprising, both nations
are now getting chummy over nuclear development, with N. Korea offering
to sell Iran any nuclear devices it may develop. Israeli intelligence
did try to warn the US about this, but in our arrogance we dismissed
this, believing Iran to be intimidated by our presence in Iraq.
Meanwhile, we still have the Hez fighting Israel.

Now, imagine you've been poked in the eye with a sharp stick for
thousands of years. Imagine that every time it occurs, you've began by
asking nicely for it to stop. When it doesn't stop, you ask with
greater vigor until finally, you realize its never going to stop unless
you forcibly take the sharp stick away from your agressor. The
Hezbollah are that sharp stick and Iran, their supporter, has made it
clear that Israel will continue to be poked in the eye until she is
permenantly blind. In retrospect, knowing what we know now, Israel
may appear to be overreacting to one poke in the eye, but after all
these centuries they've finally and rightfully decided enough is enough
and are taking the only steps left to them, destruction of the one
weilding the sharp stick. Geo-politically, it is understood that this
is a now or never action and this is why world leaders are in a
gripping panic to stop it before it gets so far out of control that it
can't be stopped at all. Remember also that whether they are Sunni,
Shiite, or any other type of muslim, whether they are at war with each
other over which knee they go to first when they pray, regardless of
their differences and objections to each other, they all have one
unifying force that binds them as brothers, and that is their mutual
hatred of Israel. Iran is not arab, but it is muslim.

Remember, this is not about Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Hezbollah, West Bank,
Gaza strip all against Israel. This is about the muslim world against
the west, by proxy and just as deadly. This is a limited territory
world war that with one push of a button, becomes a global concern.
This is the muslim world against the western world, and Israel is the
only representative of the western world in the region. This above all
else, makes them the focal point of middle east agression. So, if
Israel once again finds itself being poked in the eye with a sharp
stick for the umpteenth time, and this time is notified that the
fighting will continue until Israel is destroyed once and for all, then
Israel must remove the sharp stick once and for all as well.
Excessive force? On the surface perhaps, but not in retrospect.

EEng

[Fletch]

EEng wrote:
carsss wrote:
The RIAA/MPAA came out in support of their jewish brothers
proportionate and reasonable response to the Hezbollah terrorists
today. "For every kayastha rocket that bounces off the roof of an
Israeli building, we will drop 800 lazer guided bombs, destroy three
hospitals, kill 900 children sue you grandma for hurt feelings and
throw your children into abject poverty" a spokesman for Jewish
RIAA/MPAA exthortion racket said.

Your sarcasm noted. Given that the trigger event was just the
kidnapping of two soldiers from their home soil by sworn enemies of
Israel, the Israeli response would indeed appear to be excessive force
above and beyond the political egress which would have sufficed, but
only for the short term. One month later, We now know that Israeli
intelligence was aware of things at the time, that we were not. One,
that Iran not only sponsors and supplies Hezbollah, but in fact,
orchestrated the incursion with eager anticipation of the events that
followed. They wanted this, Iran has proudly admitted to this. This
is not a war between Israel and Lebanon, this is a proxy war being
fought in Israel and Lebanon, with Hezbollah being the willing
fighters, prepared to die for a country they no longer have allegience
to if it means they get to kill Jews. Realize that it is Iran and some
other muslim states that want the destruction of Israel. The Hez
merely want to kill Jews and this is their opportunity. Iran has no
problem with allowing them to do this except that Iran no longer has
the control over the Hez they thought they had.

What we know today is that this is about Iran stamping its foot and
saying "oh yeah?" to the west, for even daring to think about placing
sanctions against Iran for its nuclear program, after having just done
the same with N. Korea. Interestingly but not surprising, both nations
are now getting chummy over nuclear development, with N. Korea offering
to sell Iran any nuclear devices it may develop. Israeli intelligence
did try to warn the US about this, but in our arrogance we dismissed
this, believing Iran to be intimidated by our presence in Iraq.
Meanwhile, we still have the Hez fighting Israel.

Now, imagine you've been poked in the eye with a sharp stick for
thousands of years. Imagine that every time it occurs, you've began by
asking nicely for it to stop. When it doesn't stop, you ask with
greater vigor until finally, you realize its never going to stop unless
you forcibly take the sharp stick away from your agressor. The
Hezbollah are that sharp stick and Iran, their supporter, has made it
clear that Israel will continue to be poked in the eye until she is
permenantly blind. In retrospect, knowing what we know now, Israel
may appear to be overreacting to one poke in the eye, but after all
these centuries they've finally and rightfully decided enough is enough
and are taking the only steps left to them, destruction of the one
weilding the sharp stick. Geo-politically, it is understood that this
is a now or never action and this is why world leaders are in a
gripping panic to stop it before it gets so far out of control that it
can't be stopped at all. Remember also that whether they are Sunni,
Shiite, or any other type of muslim, whether they are at war with each
other over which knee they go to first when they pray, regardless of
their differences and objections to each other, they all have one
unifying force that binds them as brothers, and that is their mutual
hatred of Israel. Iran is not arab, but it is muslim.

Remember, this is not about Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Hezbollah, West Bank,
Gaza strip all against Israel. This is about the muslim world against
the west, by proxy and just as deadly. This is a limited territory
world war that with one push of a button, becomes a global concern.
This is the muslim world against the western world, and Israel is the
only representative of the western world in the region. This above all
else, makes them the focal point of middle east agression. So, if
Israel once again finds itself being poked in the eye with a sharp
stick for the umpteenth time, and this time is notified that the
fighting will continue until Israel is destroyed once and for all, then
Israel must remove the sharp stick once and for all as well.
Excessive force? On the surface perhaps, but not in retrospect.

EEng

Well put without emotionalism to cloud truth.

It has been suggested by way of analogy that if Israel laid down her
arms and chose to fight no more, she would be destroyed utterly.
Conversely, if Hezbollah (and by "proxy" the whole Arab world) laid
down their arms, there would be peace.

Yes, it is that simple.

--Fletch

[EDM]

"Fletch" wrote in message oups.com...
It has been suggested by way of analogy that if Israel laid down her
arms and chose to fight no more, she would be destroyed utterly.
Conversely, if Hezbollah (and by "proxy" the whole Arab world) laid
down their arms, there would be peace.

Yes, it is that simple.

Long-term peace in the Middle East is not possible until the
Palestinian people are given a permanent homeland, as they
were promised by the British almost a century ago. Until then,
the issue will remain an open wound among "the whole Arab
world", and deservedly so.

[H.R.H. Qwerty]

In article .com,
"Fletch" wrote:

EEng wrote:
carsss wrote:
The RIAA/MPAA came out in support of their jewish brothers
proportionate and reasonable response to the Hezbollah terrorists
today. "For every kayastha rocket that bounces off the roof of an
Israeli building, we will drop 800 lazer guided bombs, destroy three
hospitals, kill 900 children sue you grandma for hurt feelings and
throw your children into abject poverty" a spokesman for Jewish
RIAA/MPAA exthortion racket said.

Your sarcasm noted. Given that the trigger event was just the
kidnapping of two soldiers from their home soil by sworn enemies of
Israel, the Israeli response would indeed appear to be excessive force
above and beyond the political egress which would have sufficed, but
only for the short term. One month later, We now know that Israeli
intelligence was aware of things at the time, that we were not. One,
that Iran not only sponsors and supplies Hezbollah, but in fact,
orchestrated the incursion with eager anticipation of the events that
followed. They wanted this, Iran has proudly admitted to this. This
is not a war between Israel and Lebanon, this is a proxy war being
fought in Israel and Lebanon, with Hezbollah being the willing
fighters, prepared to die for a country they no longer have allegience
to if it means they get to kill Jews. Realize that it is Iran and some
other muslim states that want the destruction of Israel. The Hez
merely want to kill Jews and this is their opportunity. Iran has no
problem with allowing them to do this except that Iran no longer has
the control over the Hez they thought they had.

What we know today is that this is about Iran stamping its foot and
saying "oh yeah?" to the west, for even daring to think about placing
sanctions against Iran for its nuclear program, after having just done
the same with N. Korea. Interestingly but not surprising, both nations
are now getting chummy over nuclear development, with N. Korea offering
to sell Iran any nuclear devices it may develop. Israeli intelligence
did try to warn the US about this, but in our arrogance we dismissed
this, believing Iran to be intimidated by our presence in Iraq.
Meanwhile, we still have the Hez fighting Israel.

Now, imagine you've been poked in the eye with a sharp stick for
thousands of years. Imagine that every time it occurs, you've began by
asking nicely for it to stop. When it doesn't stop, you ask with
greater vigor until finally, you realize its never going to stop unless
you forcibly take the sharp stick away from your agressor. The
Hezbollah are that sharp stick and Iran, their supporter, has made it
clear that Israel will continue to be poked in the eye until she is
permenantly blind. In retrospect, knowing what we know now, Israel
may appear to be overreacting to one poke in the eye, but after all
these centuries they've finally and rightfully decided enough is enough
and are taking the only steps left to them, destruction of the one
weilding the sharp stick. Geo-politically, it is understood that this
is a now or never action and this is why world leaders are in a
gripping panic to stop it before it gets so far out of control that it
can't be stopped at all. Remember also that whether they are Sunni,
Shiite, or any other type of muslim, whether they are at war with each
other over which knee they go to first when they pray, regardless of
their differences and objections to each other, they all have one
unifying force that binds them as brothers, and that is their mutual
hatred of Israel. Iran is not arab, but it is muslim.

Remember, this is not about Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Hezbollah, West Bank,
Gaza strip all against Israel. This is about the muslim world against
the west, by proxy and just as deadly. This is a limited territory
world war that with one push of a button, becomes a global concern.
This is the muslim world against the western world, and Israel is the
only representative of the western world in the region. This above all
else, makes them the focal point of middle east agression. So, if
Israel once again finds itself being poked in the eye with a sharp
stick for the umpteenth time, and this time is notified that the
fighting will continue until Israel is destroyed once and for all, then
Israel must remove the sharp stick once and for all as well.
Excessive force? On the surface perhaps, but not in retrospect.

EEng

Well put without emotionalism to cloud truth.

It has been suggested by way of analogy that if Israel laid down her
arms and chose to fight no more, she would be destroyed utterly.
Conversely, if Hezbollah (and by "proxy" the whole Arab world) laid
down their arms, there would be peace.

Yes, it is that simple.

--Fletch

You both want the situation in the ME simplified to "muslim world
against the western world" with Israel attacked as the representative of
The West. There is much more to it than that.

Qwerty

[[email protected]]

On 4 Aug 2006 09:45:13 -0700, "EEng" wrote:


Israel must remove the sharp stick once and for all as well.
Excessive force? On the surface perhaps, but not in retrospect.


The simple fact is there will be no peace in the Middle East as long as
Israel exists.
-M

[David McCall]

wrote in message
...
On 4 Aug 2006 09:45:13 -0700, "EEng" wrote:


Israel must remove the sharp stick once and for all as well.
Excessive force? On the surface perhaps, but not in retrospect.


The simple fact is there will be no peace in the Middle East as long as
Israel exists.

That isn't going to happen. And you infidels in Europe, and surrounding
areas,
should pray that it doesn't. Because you will be next.

David

[Mike]

"EEng" wrote in news:1154709913.858030.208070
@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:

carsss wrote:
The RIAA/MPAA came out in support of their jewish brothers
proportionate and reasonable response to the Hezbollah terrorists
today. "For every kayastha rocket that bounces off the roof of an
Israeli building, we will drop 800 lazer guided bombs, destroy three
hospitals, kill 900 children sue you grandma for hurt feelings and
throw your children into abject poverty" a spokesman for Jewish
RIAA/MPAA exthortion racket said.

Your sarcasm noted. Given that the trigger event was just the
kidnapping of two soldiers from their home soil by sworn enemies of
Israel,

You mean the triggering event was when Isreal stole someone elses land
because of belief in an unproveable supernatural being. When you try to
get rid of people who have lived there for a thusand years they are
likely to get upset.

[[email protected]]

The simple fact is there will be no peace in the Middle East as long as
Israel exists.

Your "simple fact" is a bit too simple, since
Egypt and Jordan have made a lasting peace.

Most Palestinians would do the same, I think, but the people with guns are
defining the future.

[[email protected]]

You don't say why the story is suspect, but it doesn't matter.

Thousands of rockets stockpiled by a group who echo Iran's "kill all Jews
everywhere" line is provocation enough.


When Cuba installed missiles against the US in 1962, Kennedy didn't wait
for another provocation.

[Richard Crowley]

"Chel van Gennip" wrote ...
Two posibilities seems plausible: Palestines in Lebanon wanted to
start a
full scale war and used this provocation, or Israel wanted a full
scale
war and used this provocation.

Right. And Iran doesn't exist and didn't make/provide/launch
the missles in question. You need to get out more.

[Richard Crowley]

"David McCall" wrote ...
wrote ...

The simple fact is there will be no peace in the Middle East as long
as
Israel exists.

That isn't going to happen. And you infidels in Europe, and
surrounding areas,
should pray that it doesn't. Because you will be next.

"Next"? It is already happening under their noses.

[Richard Crowley]

wrote ...
The simple fact is there will be no peace in the Middle East as long
as
Israel exists.

Or as long as Fascist Terrorist Muslims exist.

[Chevdo]

In article ,
says...

"EEng" wrote in news:1154709913.858030.208070
:

carsss wrote:
The RIAA/MPAA came out in support of their jewish brothers
proportionate and reasonable response to the Hezbollah terrorists
today. "For every kayastha rocket that bounces off the roof of an
Israeli building, we will drop 800 lazer guided bombs, destroy three
hospitals, kill 900 children sue you grandma for hurt feelings and
throw your children into abject poverty" a spokesman for Jewish
RIAA/MPAA exthortion racket said.

Your sarcasm noted. Given that the trigger event was just the
kidnapping of two soldiers from their home soil by sworn enemies of
Israel,

You mean the triggering event was when Isreal stole someone elses land
because of belief in an unproveable supernatural being. When you try to
get rid of people who have lived there for a thusand years they are
likely to get upset.


Which people would those be? For about the past 10,000 years, the area known
as Palestine has been occupied by dozens of different groups, and has been the
natural battle-ground for human tribes since the beginning of time. By the
way, do you have any idea how the name 'Palestine' came to be? The Romans gave
the area that name after conquring the jews who made up the majority of the
population at the time, naming it after the jews' enemies the Phillistines, as
an insult to the jews. There has never been any type of people called
'Palestinians' until the second half of the 20th century, when arabs living in
the region found it politically beneficial to claim an identity as
'Palestinians' and demand a state. Now, it should be noted, however, that the
area of Gaza had been a pagan stronghold during jewish and Roman occupation
(the residents of Gaza were only forcably converted to Islam by the Ottoman
Turks almost a thousand years after Mohammed forcably and violently converted
the entire arabian penninsula and the Mecca-rock worshipping pagan arabs to his
new Abrahamic cult (ie a plagiarism of the plagiarism of christianity which was
a plagiarism of judaism which was a plagiarism of the egyptian cult of Horus)

Remember folks, never crack open a textbook, it'll only challenge your
preconcieved ignorance!

[H.R.H. Qwerty]

In article OcaBg.139160$A8.70552@clgrps12, (Chevdo)
wrote:

In article ,
says...

"EEng" wrote in news:1154709913.858030.208070
:

carsss wrote:
The RIAA/MPAA came out in support of their jewish brothers
proportionate and reasonable response to the Hezbollah terrorists
today. "For every kayastha rocket that bounces off the roof of an
Israeli building, we will drop 800 lazer guided bombs, destroy three
hospitals, kill 900 children sue you grandma for hurt feelings and
throw your children into abject poverty" a spokesman for Jewish
RIAA/MPAA exthortion racket said.

Your sarcasm noted. Given that the trigger event was just the
kidnapping of two soldiers from their home soil by sworn enemies of
Israel,

You mean the triggering event was when Isreal stole someone elses land
because of belief in an unproveable supernatural being. When you try to
get rid of people who have lived there for a thusand years they are
likely to get upset.


Which people would those be?

Most likely the Arabs who were evicted. Who else would it be?

For about the past 10,000 years, the area known
as Palestine has been occupied by dozens of different groups, and has been
the
natural battle-ground for human tribes since the beginning of time. By the
way, do you have any idea how the name 'Palestine' came to be? The Romans
gave
the area that name after conquring the jews who made up the majority of the
population at the time, naming it after the jews' enemies the Phillistines,
as
an insult to the jews. There has never been any type of people called
'Palestinians' until the second half of the 20th century, when arabs living
in
the region found it politically beneficial to claim an identity as
'Palestinians' and demand a state. Now, it should be noted, however, that
the
area of Gaza had been a pagan stronghold during jewish and Roman occupation
(the residents of Gaza were only forcably converted to Islam by the Ottoman
Turks almost a thousand years after Mohammed forcably and violently converted
the entire arabian penninsula and the Mecca-rock worshipping pagan arabs to
his
new Abrahamic cult (ie a plagiarism of the plagiarism of christianity which
was
a plagiarism of judaism which was a plagiarism of the egyptian cult of Horus)

Remember folks, never crack open a textbook, it'll only challenge your
preconcieved ignorance!

Sorry, but you haven't proven anything except that many people have
occupied that land over time.

Qwerty

[Day Brown]

Richard Crowley wrote:
wrote ...

The simple fact is there will be no peace in the Middle East as long as
Israel exists.


Or as long as Fascist Terrorist Muslims exist.
Which existed long before Israel. The Israelis are not, and dont claim
to be saints, but the way that anti-Semites turn a blind eye to what the
Muslims are, and have always been doing, not only to Jews, but
Christians, indigenous pagans, Hindus, Buddhists, and others, speaks
loudly of psychological denial and raises questions about sanity.

Many times I've seen comments like yours about the problems Muslims have
created in all this, and the silence of the anti-Semites that results
speaks loudly that they have no rebuttal, just an excuse to hate.

[EDM]

"Day Brown" wrote in message ...
Richard Crowley wrote:
wrote ...

The simple fact is there will be no peace in the Middle East as long as
Israel exists.

Or as long as Fascist Terrorist Muslims exist.
Which existed long before Israel. The Israelis are not, and dont claim
to be saints, but the way that anti-Semites turn a blind eye

Anti-Semites? How typical.

Does anyone outside of Israel care what religion the people
of Israel subscribe to? You think Arabs care? The issue is
political in nature, not religious. It always has been political.
The issue is the breaking of a promise to the Palestinian
people almost a century ago. The issue is first throwing
people out of their homes and then bulldozing over them.

None of this has anything to do with religion, and I wish the
American people were smart enough to see through this
instant anti-Semite flash card game many Jews play, the
second anyone dares criticize what the state of Israel does.

[Richard Crowley]

"EDM" wrote ...
Does anyone outside of Israel care what religion the people
of Israel subscribe to? You think Arabs care? The issue is
political in nature, not religious. It always has been political.
The issue is the breaking of a promise to the Palestinian
people almost a century ago. The issue is first throwing
people out of their homes and then bulldozing over them.

There were no "Palestinian"s a century ago. Unless you
enjoy the particular brand of Kool-aid CNN, et. al are
peddling.

[EEng]

Richard Crowley wrote:
"EDM" wrote ...
Does anyone outside of Israel care what religion the people
of Israel subscribe to? You think Arabs care? The issue is
political in nature, not religious. It always has been political.
The issue is the breaking of a promise to the Palestinian
people almost a century ago. The issue is first throwing
people out of their homes and then bulldozing over them.

There were no "Palestinian"s a century ago. Unless you
enjoy the particular brand of Kool-aid CNN, et. al are
peddling.

Religion has nothing to do with any of it. It IS strictly political as
cited by an earlier poster.
Palestinians came out of Phillistines, as another poster noted. The
Phillistines routinely attacked and destroyed all Hebrew artifact, as
they did all other surrounding cultures of their day. Their idiology
was to be the only surviving culture. Even then, it was political, not
religous. True, where the Hebrews were concerned it did indeed start
over religious matters 5000+ years ago when Judaism was born from a
young man destroying the clay idols his father made, but it has evolved
from there. Nobody except todays extremist muslims cares how you
pray. This is best illustrated by the warring between Shiite and Sunni
muslims, whose only difference is their politics! Among fundamentalist
muslims i.e., those who follow the original Koran, the extremists are
abhored as an abomination to Islam.

Lets not allow personal opinion and parental prejudices handed down
generation to generation, and face it, ignorance, to color this picture
anything other than what it really is. This is political factionism
driven by eons old hatreds based on issues that 9 out of 10
participants can't even recall with any accuracy. I have many muslim
friends who are happy to call me friend, and I am a Jew. We don't hate
each other, and when we do differ religiously we are able to agree to
disagree. What is happening in the middle east it about two things
only, which amount to one thing really....... oil and power and who
controls it.

The Arab Emirates control all the oil in all mideast countries whether
they like it or not, whether they agree with it or not, and this is why
Saudi Arabia and Egypt are trying ever so valiantly to stay out of the
conflict. THEY WANT TO SELL THEIR OIL. They have become more
accustomed to the revenue than a New York Stock Broker, but once again,
there is a mutual hatred of Israel (not specifically Jews) that will
force their hand if this continues.

The Nation of Israel, known in the Old Testament as "The Promised Land
of the Chosen People" was hated thousands of years ago before the State
of Israel ever existed. The Hebrews were the slaves of Egypt, made
that way as a result of being a people without a land, therefore
squatters everywhere they went. How they prayed had nothing to do with
it except in the very beginning when the concept of One and Only One
God was in direct conflict with the ancient belief of many gods. But
since that day, it has been the politics of many displaced peoples,
fighting for the same small strip of land.

To say one group started it and the others are merely retaliating is no
longer valid. Thousands of years later, they are all equally guilty.
Keep emotionalism out ot if, that's what started it in the first place
and that's what keeps it going. Remember that the Viet Nam War was
started over a farmer stealing a pig from a neighboring farmer as
retribution for that farmer accidentally plowing under the fields of
his neighbor when he couldn't find the land markers. I would bet good
money that most of you don't remember that and having been told just
now, don't believe it.. So it is today with the original reasons of
conflict in the middle east, which most either can't, or refuse to
remember and which have been obfuscated with the passing of time.
Emotionalism is the beginning of all conflict. Only logic and presence
of mind ends it. En masse, this is not likely to occur. Its called
Mob Reaction....follow the leader, like lemmings, off a cliff.

I realize this has gotten long, but allow me one more demonstration.
Do you know how policy is made? Here's a humerous bit that puts it in
perspective quite admirabley.......

Put 5 monkeys in a room. Hang a banana from the ceiling just outside
their reach, but povide a small set of stairs. Soon, the monkeys
figure out if they climb the stairs they can reach the banana. Every
time one of them does, spray the other 4 with cold water. Monkeys hate
getting wet so it doesn't take long for them to figure out what's going
on, and every time one of them climbs the stairs, the others wrestle
him to the ground. Now replace one of these monkeys with a new one and
stop spraying water. He doesn't have a clue what's going on so he
climbs the stairs and to his horror, is attacked by the other monkeys.
Replace another. The first one replaced, having been attacked,
gleefully joins in with the others attacking the newest monkey. Keep
replacing monkeys until all the original have been replaced. Now there
is no monkey that has ever been sprayed with water yet they all keep
attacking any monkey that tries to climb the stairs. Why? They don't
know, but that's the way its always been done and THAT is how policy is
made.

So it is in the middle east today.

EEng

[EDM]

"Richard Crowley" wrote in message ...
"EDM" wrote ...
Does anyone outside of Israel care what religion the people
of Israel subscribe to? You think Arabs care? The issue is
political in nature, not religious. It always has been political.
The issue is the breaking of a promise to the Palestinian
people almost a century ago. The issue is first throwing
people out of their homes and then bulldozing over them.

There were no "Palestinian"s a century ago.

If you want to make such a ridiculous claim, you'll need to
explain the Sykes-Picot Agreement. If there were no
Palestinians a century ago, why did the British government
promise them an independent state in 1914? And if you're
honest, explain why Britain broke that promise and instead
issued the Balfour Declaration three years later.

We'll wait patiently for an answer.

[Paul Stamler]

"EEng" wrote in message
oups.com...
Remember that the Viet Nam War was
started over a farmer stealing a pig from a neighboring farmer as
retribution for that farmer accidentally plowing under the fields of
his neighbor when he couldn't find the land markers. I would bet good
money that most of you don't remember that and having been told just
now, don't believe it..

You're right, I don't believe it. The Viet Nam war started when, after Viet
Nam had been occupied by Japan and its people had fought the occupation as
guerrillas, the former colonial power France came back to re-occupy the
country. A nationalist leader and his allies (some communist, some not)
issued a declaration of independence with wording cribbed from the American
one, and begged the United States for our support. (The nationalist leader,
Ho Chi Minh, had studied in the west.) Our government declined, choosing
instead to support the French in their re-occupation. One step at a time,
under four successive administrations (Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson)
we blundered further and further into the swamp. About 50,000 American lives
and 1,000,000 Vietnamese lives later, we finally extricated ourselves.

If a pig was involved, it may have started a particular skirmish, but the
war itself was already in progress.

Peace,
Paul

[[email protected]]

None of this has anything to do with religion

WTF???????

There's no possibility that settlers would have been massacred if they were
Moslems.

[Predrag Trpkov]

"Richard Crowley" wrote in message
...
"EDM" wrote ...
Does anyone outside of Israel care what religion the people
of Israel subscribe to? You think Arabs care? The issue is
political in nature, not religious. It always has been political.
The issue is the breaking of a promise to the Palestinian
people almost a century ago. The issue is first throwing
people out of their homes and then bulldozing over them.

There were no "Palestinian"s a century ago. Unless you
enjoy the particular brand of Kool-aid CNN, et. al are
peddling.


But somebody lived there. And they had children...

Predrag

[Predrag Trpkov]

"Richard Crowley" wrote in message
...
wrote ...
The simple fact is there will be no peace in the Middle East as long
as
Israel exists.

Or as long as Fascist Terrorist Muslims exist.


What a slam dunk! Will Miho must be proud of you, Richard. Capital letters
et al.

Now that you've so conveniently attributed fascism to one side, don't read
this. It might confuse you badly.
http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle14314.htm

Predrag

[Predrag Trpkov]

"David McCall" wrote in message
news:UJPAg.33$AF1.10@trndny03...

wrote in message
...
On 4 Aug 2006 09:45:13 -0700, "EEng" wrote:


Israel must remove the sharp stick once and for all as well.
Excessive force? On the surface perhaps, but not in retrospect.


The simple fact is there will be no peace in the Middle East as long as
Israel exists.

That isn't going to happen. And you infidels in Europe, and surrounding
areas,
should pray that it doesn't. Because you will be next.


Next for what? Next to be bombed by Hezbollah or next to be bombed by the
U.S./Israel?

Predrag

[Chevdo]

In article ,
says...

In article OcaBg.139160$A8.70552@clgrps12, (Chevdo)
wrote:

In article ,
says...

"EEng" wrote in news:1154709913.858030.208070
:

carsss wrote:
The RIAA/MPAA came out in support of their jewish brothers
proportionate and reasonable response to the Hezbollah terrorists
today. "For every kayastha rocket that bounces off the roof of an
Israeli building, we will drop 800 lazer guided bombs, destroy three
hospitals, kill 900 children sue you grandma for hurt feelings and
throw your children into abject poverty" a spokesman for Jewish
RIAA/MPAA exthortion racket said.

Your sarcasm noted. Given that the trigger event was just the
kidnapping of two soldiers from their home soil by sworn enemies of
Israel,

You mean the triggering event was when Isreal stole someone elses land
because of belief in an unproveable supernatural being. When you try to
get rid of people who have lived there for a thusand years they are
likely to get upset.


Which people would those be?

Most likely the Arabs who were evicted. Who else would it be?


The only people who have been 'evicted' are people who lived in houses which
were where rockets were fired into Israel by Hamas. Israel has no desire to
occupy Gaza, the West Bank, or the Golan Heights. Tax is extremely high in
Israel all because the residents have to pay to occupy those places. They get
nothing but the weak hope of security out of it, no financial benefit
whatsoever. It's not 'oil rich' land, so you can't make up silly stories like
you can about Americans invading Iraq to 'take the oil'. It's not holy land
the jews want, so you can't claim that, either. They would like nothing more
than to pull out and they will do so as soon as they don't have to worry about
rockets or suicide bombers coming from those regions. Now, there have been
some jewish settlers who have moved in to erect houses in areas that the Israel
govt. prohibits them from building on, and you certainly can't blame Israel for
that since Israel prohibits it, refuses to provide security, and demands those
people vacate those areas.

Now, if you are suggesting that the various waves of zionist settlers since the
late 1800s have 'stolen' land, you'd be sadly mistaken. They purchased their
land from the previous owners fair and square. It's not their fault that
the land was worthless before they began working it, and therefore the ownwers
were willing to sell it quite cheaply at the time. Heck, all land on the
planet was pretty cheap 50 years and more ago, even downtown Manhatten.

So what exactly are you referring to? (and if you are referring to
anything at all, please cite a historical reference, rather than an
anti-Israeli website, thanks)

[Chevdo]

In article , says...

Richard Crowley wrote:
wrote ...

The simple fact is there will be no peace in the Middle East as long as
Israel exists.


Or as long as Fascist Terrorist Muslims exist.
Which existed long before Israel. The Israelis are not, and dont claim
to be saints, but the way that anti-Semites turn a blind eye to what the
Muslims are, and have always been doing, not only to Jews, but
Christians, indigenous pagans, Hindus,

Hindus aren't likely to turn a blind eye to muslim terrorism, seeing as they
are frequent targets of it.. (did the recent bombing of Mumbai fail to
materialize on your radar?)


Buddhists, and others, speaks
loudly of psychological denial and raises questions about sanity.

Many times I've seen comments like yours about the problems Muslims have
created in all this, and the silence of the anti-Semites that results
speaks loudly that they have no rebuttal, just an excuse to hate.

[Chevdo]

In article .com,
says...

Richard Crowley wrote:
"EDM" wrote ...
Does anyone outside of Israel care what religion the people
of Israel subscribe to? You think Arabs care? The issue is
political in nature, not religious. It always has been political.
The issue is the breaking of a promise to the Palestinian
people almost a century ago. The issue is first throwing
people out of their homes and then bulldozing over them.

There were no "Palestinian"s a century ago. Unless you
enjoy the particular brand of Kool-aid CNN, et. al are
peddling.

Religion has nothing to do with any of it. It IS strictly political as
cited by an earlier poster.
Palestinians came out of Phillistines, as another poster noted.

I was that poster, and that is not what I noted. The people calling themselves
'Palestinians' today have nothing in common with the Phillistines that the
Romans named the region 'Palestine' after as an insult to the jews after they
conquered the jews.

And to say this is all 'political' and has nothing to do with the thousands of
mosques all over the middle east who preach Wahabism, who insist they won't
stop fighting against Israel until every last jew is dead, is absolutely
ridiculous and wrong to the point of being anti-semetic. I can't see how you
would come to such an erroneous conclusion unless you were a pathetic
jew-hating Mel Gibson wannabe.


The
Phillistines routinely attacked and destroyed all Hebrew artifact, as
they did all other surrounding cultures of their day. Their idiology
was to be the only surviving culture.

Their 'ideology' and culture did not survive at all, moron. Phillistines are
NOT Palestinians.

Among fundamentalist
muslims i.e., those who follow the original Koran, the extremists are
abhored as an abomination to Islam.

BULL****, the 'original Koran' says to kill all non-muslims on every second
page! The old testament and the new testament have similar passages, too.

The rest of your post is too idiotic to bother with..

[Chevdo]

In article , says...


"David McCall" wrote in message
news:UJPAg.33$AF1.10@trndny03...

wrote in message
...
On 4 Aug 2006 09:45:13 -0700, "EEng" wrote:


Israel must remove the sharp stick once and for all as well.
Excessive force? On the surface perhaps, but not in retrospect.


The simple fact is there will be no peace in the Middle East as long as
Israel exists.

That isn't going to happen. And you infidels in Europe, and surrounding
areas,
should pray that it doesn't. Because you will be next.


Next for what? Next to be bombed by Hezbollah or next to be bombed by the
U.S./Israel?

Well I guess that all depends on whether or not you help the terrorists,
doesn't it. If you want to be a John Walker Lindt, I'm sure the US is prepared
to accomodate you for a lifetime in one of their prisons. Too bad that like
most middle-class guilt-ridden post-colonial pseudo-liberals, you're too much
of a coward to make that happen, since you clearly deserve it.

[Chevdo]

In article ,
says...

None of this has anything to do with religion

WTF???????

There's no possibility that settlers would have been massacred if they were
Moslems.

Oh no? Maybe if they were Sunni (The Palestinians are shiite). Taken a look
at Baghdad lately? The only time sunnis and shiites take a break from killing
each other is when they get to collaborate to kill jews.

[Chevdo]

In article , says...


"Richard Crowley" wrote in message
...
"EDM" wrote ...
Does anyone outside of Israel care what religion the people
of Israel subscribe to? You think Arabs care? The issue is
political in nature, not religious. It always has been political.
The issue is the breaking of a promise to the Palestinian
people almost a century ago. The issue is first throwing
people out of their homes and then bulldozing over them.

There were no "Palestinian"s a century ago. Unless you
enjoy the particular brand of Kool-aid CNN, et. al are
peddling.


But somebody lived there. And they had children...

Ever heard the term 'nomadic lifestyle'? that's why land claims and borders
have always been in dispute all over the middle east. The Phillistines were
long gone by the time the Romans named the region after them after the Romans
conqured the jews. The jews gradually dissipated from the region and were
replaced with arab immigrants. These were not, however, muslim arabs. They
were pagan arabs trying to avoid being converted to Islam, which is why Gaza
stood as a pagan stronghold for centuries until finally, only a few hundred
years ago, the Ottoman Turks forcably converted Gaza's residents to Islam. If
you want to be 'fair' to those people and honor the traditions they've had for
most of the past 2000 years, technically you should denounce any influence by
jews AND muslims over the area of Gaza.

[Predrag Trpkov]

"Chevdo" wrote in message
news:12vBg.183743$771.5932@edtnps89...
In article ,
says...


"David McCall" wrote in message
news:UJPAg.33$AF1.10@trndny03...

wrote in message
...
On 4 Aug 2006 09:45:13 -0700, "EEng" wrote:


Israel must remove the sharp stick once and for all as well.
Excessive force? On the surface perhaps, but not in retrospect.


The simple fact is there will be no peace in the Middle East as long
as
Israel exists.

That isn't going to happen. And you infidels in Europe, and surrounding
areas,
should pray that it doesn't. Because you will be next.


Next for what? Next to be bombed by Hezbollah or next to be bombed by the
U.S./Israel?

Well I guess that all depends on whether or not you help the terrorists,
doesn't it. If you want to be a John Walker Lindt, I'm sure the US is
prepared
to accomodate you for a lifetime in one of their prisons. Too bad that
like
most middle-class guilt-ridden post-colonial pseudo-liberals, you're too
much
of a coward to make that happen, since you clearly deserve it.


Yeah, you've figured me out. I'm so scared all the time. But there's hope,
as long as there are fearless heroes like you.

Anyway, my name is Predrag Trpkov. What's yours?

[EEng]

Chevdo wrote:
In article .com,
says...

Richard Crowley wrote:
"EDM" wrote ...
Does anyone outside of Israel care what religion the people
of Israel subscribe to? You think Arabs care? The issue is
political in nature, not religious. It always has been political.
The issue is the breaking of a promise to the Palestinian
people almost a century ago. The issue is first throwing
people out of their homes and then bulldozing over them.

There were no "Palestinian"s a century ago. Unless you
enjoy the particular brand of Kool-aid CNN, et. al are
peddling.

Religion has nothing to do with any of it. It IS strictly political as
cited by an earlier poster.
Palestinians came out of Phillistines, as another poster noted.

I was that poster, and that is not what I noted. The people calling themselves
'Palestinians' today have nothing in common with the Phillistines that the
Romans named the region 'Palestine' after as an insult to the jews after they
conquered the jews.

And to say this is all 'political' and has nothing to do with the thousands of
mosques all over the middle east who preach Wahabism, who insist they won't
stop fighting against Israel until every last jew is dead, is absolutely
ridiculous and wrong to the point of being anti-semetic.

First off, here are your own words....

None of this has anything to do with religion, and I wish the
American people were smart enough to see through this
instant anti-Semite flash card game many Jews play, the
second anyone dares criticize what the state of Israel does.

What part of "None of this has anything to do with religion", your own
words, are you having a problem with when it is said by others?
Obviously you argue merely for the sake of arguing. Second, you toss
around the phrase "anti-semetic" as if you think you know what it
means. Your useage is incorrect. It means to be prejudiced against
jews. I AM a jew you idiot and until this moment have refrained from
making emotional, biased statements but you are coming off like a
partially educated idiot who knows some big words but not their
meaning. Do you realize how moronic you sound?

I can't see how you
would come to such an erroneous conclusion unless you were a pathetic
jew-hating Mel Gibson wannabe.


The
Phillistines routinely attacked and destroyed all Hebrew artifact, as
they did all other surrounding cultures of their day. Their idiology
was to be the only surviving culture.

Their 'ideology' and culture did not survive at all, moron. Phillistines are
NOT Palestinians.

Of course they're not today, but they are the descendants of those who
were, and thus, came out of that culture, and in those days...yes, the
idiology of the Philistines was to be the only surviving culture. That
they did not survive the passing of time is moot, it was their idiology
of the day. If you choose to take all of history and attempt to make
it applicable to today, then you only compound your mistakes
repeatedly.

Among fundamentalist
muslims i.e., those who follow the original Koran, the extremists are
abhored as an abomination to Islam.

BULL****, the 'original Koran' says to kill all non-muslims on every second
page! The old testament and the new testament have similar passages, too.

I suggest you meet with some modern day muslims who are not hell-bent
on destructiion and talk to them. You'll find that they are in the
majority and yes, they DO hate the extremist muslims and they ARE
embarrassed by them. Rather than spew opinion or repeat some slanted
website, try talking to the actual people and find out from the horses
mouth.

The rest of your post is too idiotic to bother with..

Translation: The rest of your post cannot be disputed by my rhetoric
because it stands up on its own and has substance to back it up that is
NOT from some biased website or anti-semetic meanderings. Get it
right.

Sorry, I will be glad to discuss this with anyone who wants to discuss
rather than argue, but you sir have proven yourself to be just a few
sandwhiches shy of a picnic and frankly, you come off as if you ARE
anti-semetic, meaning, prejudiced against jews. I should remind you
that Israel may be a jewish state just as America is a christiian one,
but she embodies many faiths and cultures. This is not about religion
except when narrow minded bigots like yourself speak out. Put your
agenda away....it is too akin to the agenda that is passed down
skinhead to skinhead. As for the "anti-semetic" card? Everyone I know
from many jewish communities doesn't confuse judaism with Israel. We
don't pull a race card if you hate Israel. Go ahead, hate Israel if
you want, that doesn't bother us, just don't equate one with the other,
or are you saying that the reason the West is hated by the muslims is
because its all christians here?

[Chevdo]

In article . com,
says...


Chevdo wrote:
In article .com,
says...

Richard Crowley wrote:
"EDM" wrote ...
Does anyone outside of Israel care what religion the people
of Israel subscribe to? You think Arabs care? The issue is
political in nature, not religious. It always has been political.
The issue is the breaking of a promise to the Palestinian
people almost a century ago. The issue is first throwing
people out of their homes and then bulldozing over them.

There were no "Palestinian"s a century ago. Unless you
enjoy the particular brand of Kool-aid CNN, et. al are
peddling.

Religion has nothing to do with any of it. It IS strictly political as
cited by an earlier poster.
Palestinians came out of Phillistines, as another poster noted.

I was that poster, and that is not what I noted. The people calling
themselves
'Palestinians' today have nothing in common with the Phillistines that the
Romans named the region 'Palestine' after as an insult to the jews after
they
conquered the jews.

And to say this is all 'political' and has nothing to do with the thousands
of
mosques all over the middle east who preach Wahabism, who insist they won't
stop fighting against Israel until every last jew is dead, is absolutely
ridiculous and wrong to the point of being anti-semetic.

First off, here are your own words....

None of this has anything to do with religion, and I wish the
American people were smart enough to see through this
instant anti-Semite flash card game many Jews play, the
second anyone dares criticize what the state of Israel does.

What part of "None of this has anything to do with religion", your own
words, are you having a problem with when it is said by others?

All of it, since those are NOT my words. I have no idea who you're quoting,
but it's not me. That means you're either incredibly stupid or incredibly
dishonest, or both. No surprise there...

[Chevdo]

In article . com,
says...


The
Phillistines routinely attacked and destroyed all Hebrew artifact, as
they did all other surrounding cultures of their day. Their idiology
was to be the only surviving culture.

Their 'ideology' and culture did not survive at all, moron. Phillistines
are
NOT Palestinians.

Of course they're not today, but they are the descendants of those who
were, and thus, came out of that culture,

That is complete bull**** and proves you are talking out of your ass, not out
of a history book. The Phillistines were completely wiped out as a tribe and
culture by the Assyrians. If there were any survivors they converted to
Assyrian customs and never looked back. And guess what, Assyrians are also
long extinct... As usual, I'm not going to bother with the rest of the products
of your active, though dull imagination...

[H.R.H. Qwerty]

In article QRuBg.183739$771.76249@edtnps89, (Chevdo)
wrote:

In article ,
says...

In article OcaBg.139160$A8.70552@clgrps12, (Chevdo)
wrote:

In article ,
says...

"EEng" wrote in news:1154709913.858030.208070
:

carsss wrote:
The RIAA/MPAA came out in support of their jewish brothers
proportionate and reasonable response to the Hezbollah terrorists
today. "For every kayastha rocket that bounces off the roof of an
Israeli building, we will drop 800 lazer guided bombs, destroy three
hospitals, kill 900 children sue you grandma for hurt feelings and
throw your children into abject poverty" a spokesman for Jewish
RIAA/MPAA exthortion racket said.

Your sarcasm noted. Given that the trigger event was just the
kidnapping of two soldiers from their home soil by sworn enemies of
Israel,

You mean the triggering event was when Isreal stole someone elses land
because of belief in an unproveable supernatural being. When you try to
get rid of people who have lived there for a thusand years they are
likely to get upset.


Which people would those be?

Most likely the Arabs who were evicted. Who else would it be?


The only people who have been 'evicted' are people who lived in houses which
were where rockets were fired into Israel by Hamas. Israel has no desire to
occupy Gaza, the West Bank, or the Golan Heights. Tax is extremely high in
Israel all because the residents have to pay to occupy those places. They
get
nothing but the weak hope of security out of it, no financial benefit
whatsoever. It's not 'oil rich' land, so you can't make up silly stories
like
you can about Americans invading Iraq to 'take the oil'. It's not holy land
the jews want, so you can't claim that, either. They would like nothing
more
than to pull out and they will do so as soon as they don't have to worry
about
rockets or suicide bombers coming from those regions. Now, there have been
some jewish settlers who have moved in to erect houses in areas that the
Israel
govt. prohibits them from building on, and you certainly can't blame Israel
for
that since Israel prohibits it, refuses to provide security, and demands
those
people vacate those areas.

Now, if you are suggesting that the various waves of zionist settlers since
the
late 1800s have 'stolen' land, you'd be sadly mistaken. They purchased their
land from the previous owners fair and square. It's not their fault that
the land was worthless before they began working it, and therefore the
ownwers
were willing to sell it quite cheaply at the time. Heck, all land on the
planet was pretty cheap 50 years and more ago, even downtown Manhatten.

So what exactly are you referring to?

I was replying to this:

:
"You mean the triggering event was when Isreal stole someone elses land
because of belief in an unproveable supernatural being. When you try to
get rid of people who have lived there for a thusand years they are
likely to get upset."


Which people would those be?

Qwerty:
Most likely the Arabs who were evicted.

In other words, I believed you didn't understand 's
reply.

Qwerty


(and if you are referring to
anything at all, please cite a historical reference, rather than an
anti-Israeli website, thanks)

[Chevdo]

In article . net,
says...

"Richard Crowley" wrote in message
...
"EDM" wrote ...
Does anyone outside of Israel care what religion the people
of Israel subscribe to? You think Arabs care? The issue is
political in nature, not religious. It always has been political.
The issue is the breaking of a promise to the Palestinian
people almost a century ago. The issue is first throwing
people out of their homes and then bulldozing over them.

There were no "Palestinian"s a century ago.

If you want to make such a ridiculous claim, you'll need to
explain the Sykes-Picot Agreement.

I think you'll need to explain where in the Sykes-Picot Agreement that an
entity known as a 'Palestinian' is mentioned. But I don't think you'll be able
to, since that word doesn't appear anywhere in the documents related to that
agreement. The region was officially called 'Palestine' by British control
but British control also officially called it 'Eretz Yisrael'. There was,
however, no such thing as an "Israeli" or a "Palestinian" at that time. If you
can find any proof that anyone at that time was calling himself a
'Palestinian', I'd love to see it, but I won't be holding my breath...

If there were no
Palestinians a century ago, why did the British government
promise them an independent state in 1914?

I have no idea what you're referring to.


And if you're
honest, explain why Britain broke that promise and instead
issued the Balfour Declaration three years later.


Before even considering trying to be 'honest' you might want to try to be
'factual'.


We'll wait patiently for an answer.

[Chevdo]

In article ,
says...

In article QRuBg.183739$771.76249@edtnps89, (Chevdo)
wrote:

In article ,
says...

In article OcaBg.139160$A8.70552@clgrps12, (Chevdo)
wrote:

In article ,
says...

"EEng" wrote in news:1154709913.858030.208070
:

carsss wrote:
The RIAA/MPAA came out in support of their jewish brothers
proportionate and reasonable response to the Hezbollah terrorists
today. "For every kayastha rocket that bounces off the roof of an
Israeli building, we will drop 800 lazer guided bombs, destroy three
hospitals, kill 900 children sue you grandma for hurt feelings and
throw your children into abject poverty" a spokesman for Jewish
RIAA/MPAA exthortion racket said.

Your sarcasm noted. Given that the trigger event was just the
kidnapping of two soldiers from their home soil by sworn enemies of
Israel,

You mean the triggering event was when Isreal stole someone elses land
because of belief in an unproveable supernatural being. When you try to
get rid of people who have lived there for a thusand years they are
likely to get upset.


Which people would those be?

Most likely the Arabs who were evicted. Who else would it be?


The only people who have been 'evicted' are people who lived in houses which
were where rockets were fired into Israel by Hamas. Israel has no desire to
occupy Gaza, the West Bank, or the Golan Heights. Tax is extremely high in
Israel all because the residents have to pay to occupy those places. They
get
nothing but the weak hope of security out of it, no financial benefit
whatsoever. It's not 'oil rich' land, so you can't make up silly stories
like
you can about Americans invading Iraq to 'take the oil'. It's not holy land
the jews want, so you can't claim that, either. They would like nothing
more
than to pull out and they will do so as soon as they don't have to worry
about
rockets or suicide bombers coming from those regions. Now, there have been
some jewish settlers who have moved in to erect houses in areas that the
Israel
govt. prohibits them from building on, and you certainly can't blame Israel
for
that since Israel prohibits it, refuses to provide security, and demands
those
people vacate those areas.

Now, if you are suggesting that the various waves of zionist settlers since
the
late 1800s have 'stolen' land, you'd be sadly mistaken. They purchased
their
land from the previous owners fair and square. It's not their fault that
the land was worthless before they began working it, and therefore the
ownwers
were willing to sell it quite cheaply at the time. Heck, all land on the
planet was pretty cheap 50 years and more ago, even downtown Manhatten.

So what exactly are you referring to?

I was replying to this:

:
"You mean the triggering event was when Isreal stole someone elses land
because of belief in an unproveable supernatural being. When you try to
get rid of people who have lived there for a thusand years they are
likely to get upset."


Which people would those be?

Qwerty:
Most likely the Arabs who were evicted.

In other words, I believed you didn't understand 's
reply.


Ahh ok, I understand what you mean. It's my fault that you wasted your time
explaining something to me that I feigned ignorance of.

[H.R.H. Qwerty]

In article SExBg.139572$A8.91780@clgrps12, (Chevdo)
wrote:

In article ,
says...

In article QRuBg.183739$771.76249@edtnps89, (Chevdo)
wrote:

In article ,

says...

In article OcaBg.139160$A8.70552@clgrps12, (Chevdo)
wrote:

In article ,

says...

"EEng" wrote in news:1154709913.858030.208070
:

carsss wrote:
The RIAA/MPAA came out in support of their jewish brothers
proportionate and reasonable response to the Hezbollah terrorists
today. "For every kayastha rocket that bounces off the roof of an
Israeli building, we will drop 800 lazer guided bombs, destroy
three
hospitals, kill 900 children sue you grandma for hurt feelings and
throw your children into abject poverty" a spokesman for Jewish
RIAA/MPAA exthortion racket said.

Your sarcasm noted. Given that the trigger event was just the
kidnapping of two soldiers from their home soil by sworn enemies of
Israel,

You mean the triggering event was when Isreal stole someone elses land
because of belief in an unproveable supernatural being. When you try
to
get rid of people who have lived there for a thusand years they are
likely to get upset.


Which people would those be?

Most likely the Arabs who were evicted. Who else would it be?


The only people who have been 'evicted' are people who lived in houses
which
were where rockets were fired into Israel by Hamas. Israel has no desire
to
occupy Gaza, the West Bank, or the Golan Heights. Tax is extremely high
in
Israel all because the residents have to pay to occupy those places. They
get
nothing but the weak hope of security out of it, no financial benefit
whatsoever. It's not 'oil rich' land, so you can't make up silly stories
like
you can about Americans invading Iraq to 'take the oil'. It's not holy
land
the jews want, so you can't claim that, either. They would like nothing
more
than to pull out and they will do so as soon as they don't have to worry
about
rockets or suicide bombers coming from those regions. Now, there have
been
some jewish settlers who have moved in to erect houses in areas that the
Israel
govt. prohibits them from building on, and you certainly can't blame
Israel
for
that since Israel prohibits it, refuses to provide security, and demands
those
people vacate those areas.

Now, if you are suggesting that the various waves of zionist settlers
since
the
late 1800s have 'stolen' land, you'd be sadly mistaken. They purchased
their
land from the previous owners fair and square. It's not their fault that
the land was worthless before they began working it, and therefore the
ownwers
were willing to sell it quite cheaply at the time. Heck, all land on the
planet was pretty cheap 50 years and more ago, even downtown Manhatten.

So what exactly are you referring to?

I was replying to this:

:
"You mean the triggering event was when Isreal stole someone elses land
because of belief in an unproveable supernatural being. When you try to
get rid of people who have lived there for a thusand years they are
likely to get upset."


Which people would those be?

Qwerty:
Most likely the Arabs who were evicted.

In other words, I believed you didn't understand 's
reply.


Ahh ok, I understand what you mean. It's my fault that you wasted your time
explaining something to me that I feigned ignorance of.

No problem, and what a pleasure to speak with someone so polite. Have a
good evening.

Qwerty

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In article 1CxBg.139571$A8.114728@clgrps12, says...

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says...

"Richard Crowley" wrote in message
...
"EDM" wrote ...
Does anyone outside of Israel care what religion the people
of Israel subscribe to? You think Arabs care? The issue is
political in nature, not religious. It always has been political.
The issue is the breaking of a promise to the Palestinian
people almost a century ago. The issue is first throwing
people out of their homes and then bulldozing over them.

There were no "Palestinian"s a century ago.

If you want to make such a ridiculous claim, you'll need to
explain the Sykes-Picot Agreement.

I think you'll need to explain where in the Sykes-Picot Agreement that an
entity known as a 'Palestinian' is mentioned. But I don't think you'll be
able
to, since that word doesn't appear anywhere in the documents related to that
agreement. The region was officially called 'Palestine' by British control
but British control also officially called it 'Eretz Yisrael'. There was,
however, no such thing as an "Israeli" or a "Palestinian" at that time. If
you
can find any proof that anyone at that time was calling himself a
'Palestinian', I'd love to see it, but I won't be holding my breath...


By the way, just to get you two inferior intellects back on track, I'd like to
point out that the original statement quoted above, "..breaking of a promise to
the Palestinian people..." does not necessarily refer to any people called
'Palestinians' anyway. That statement can refer to muslims living in the area
that was known at that time as Palestine. So you have been sucked into
defending a statement you didn't even need to take responsibility for.

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In article kTuBg.183740$771.162933@edtnps89, says...

In article , says...

Richard Crowley wrote:
wrote ...

The simple fact is there will be no peace in the Middle East as long as
Israel exists.


Or as long as Fascist Terrorist Muslims exist.
Which existed long before Israel. The Israelis are not, and dont claim
to be saints, but the way that anti-Semites turn a blind eye to what the
Muslims are, and have always been doing, not only to Jews, but
Christians, indigenous pagans, Hindus,

Hindus aren't likely to turn a blind eye to muslim terrorism, seeing as they
are frequent targets of it.. (did the recent bombing of Mumbai fail to
materialize on your radar?)


sorry I think I misread your posts. You weren't saying all of those groups
turn a blind eye to terrorism conducted by muslims, you were saying that
anti-semites turn a blind eye to terrorism conducted by muslims to all of those
groups.


Buddhists, and others, speaks
loudly of psychological denial and raises questions about sanity.

Many times I've seen comments like yours about the problems Muslims have
created in all this, and the silence of the anti-Semites that results
speaks loudly that they have no rebuttal, just an excuse to hate.