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, Tim Smith writes: In article , Dana wrote: So what does it do? All I could see was an attachment, which I assumed was a virus so I didn't download it. There was no attachment. When Outlook Express sees a line that looks like this (except I'll change spaces to underscores so as to not trigger this for you): begin__something_more_stuff it *guesses* that it is the start of a uuencoded attachment of a file named "something", and tries to interpret the rest of the file, down to whatever the marker is that marks the end of uuencoded attachments (I forget what that is), as the attachment. 'end' on a line by itsel. So, basically, if an email message or usenet post contains a line that starts with the word "begin" followed by two spaces, OE will tell you there is an attachment. Microsoft knows about this, and they even have a Knowledgebase article discussing it, which offers the wonderful advice that you should ask people not to start lines with "begin ". It took them longer to write that article than it would have taken any programmer who has advanced past the beginner stage to make the uuencode detection more robust and fix this problem. They should just fix this stupid bug. What is worse, the bug uused to affect Outlook as well. MS fixed it in Outlook but not OE. I wonder why that is? |
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Ralph writes:
Dana wrote: On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 23:23:51 +0000, Peter Jensen wrote: IMHO, not fixing such a trivial bug for so extremely long is nothing short of showing contempt for their customers. This bug, in connection with another bug that has since been fixed, actually allowed any properly formatted Usenet message to crash OE when you clicked on it. It's therefore not as harmless as it might seem at first glance. Ok, ic, but still what is the purpose of exploiting some bug in software on purpose? What useful purpose does it serve? These are discussion groups and I was under the impression the basic concept was to discuss things, not screw up other persons news programs? I have never seen this type of thing before so I am ignorant. Is this a Linux thing, IOW some way for Linux users to exploit Windows software? The entire thing seems very silly to me. There is nothing wrong with what they are doing. The format should not cause any problems what so ever with ANYONE. We have a number of wintrolls in However those doing it know that it DOES cause problems. In fact the reason they do it is precisely because they know it does cause problems. That is childish behaviour, which does not harm the cause of the bug, namely MS, in any way. It harms both the receiver of the message and the relationship between the sender and the receiver. It is like some kid, knowing his sister is afraid of spiders, constantly giving her spiders. What would your reaction be to a grown up doing that? this group claiming how great windows is. But how can they claim that windows is so great when such a simple, silly, stupid bug goes unfixed for YEARS? It is just an easy way of reminding the wintrolls what crappy bug fix support they get from MS. |
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Davorin Vlahovic wrote:
On 2005-06-05, Noah Roberts wrote: having source code means you're kept safe! Not unless you are actively looking at all the code you install and are a secure programming expert. I don't, and I am not. But the trick is that you can. Sure, right now it doesn't matter (from your perspective). But, what happens when a project is canceled (take i.e. Win95 which would be ideal for some lousy embedded touch screen device)? Nobody's developing it and there are no bug patches anymore and you need/like this piece of software. What do you do? Get the source and hack it. Soon you find people that thinks like you and need/like the sw. And the life goes on... No hair pulling, swearing, cursing... Yes, that is one of the many OTHER benefits of OSS. We actually depend on such a program called NetReg. Version 1 hasn't seen any active development in years and version 2 seems like it may have halted as well. So the colleges that use it swap information and tricks. I doubt any single install looks remotely similar. Take Linux Audio for instance as a great example of the many OTHER benefits of OSS. Linus didn't really seem to get the necessity for the low-latency stuff at first. The audio community simply continued because they where able to modify the kernel and provide the tools for any user to do so. Without this Linux would never have become a useful audio tool or at least not as useful a one. |
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Ralph wrote: There is nothing wrong with what they are doing. The format should not cause any problems what so ever with ANYONE. We have a number of wintrolls in this group claiming how great windows is. But how can they claim that windows is so great when such a simple, silly, stupid bug goes unfixed for YEARS? It is just an easy way of reminding the wintrolls what crappy bug fix support they get from MS. You are _really_ missing the point. Damned few of us, especially those who have suffered with its incredibly slow evolution, claim that there is anything particularly great about Win other than that its current usability for those who don't give a rats ass about operating systems, and that is unarguably superior to Linux. The real point in the audio groups is that there is a plethora of applications, some mission critical, and application helpers for the Win platform which Linux will never even _begin_ to approach other than via emulation should that ever mature to be complete (yes, drivers too) and adequately performing. Showing that there is one application (Ardour) and one helper (Jack) that can compete with good Win apps is not enough to win anyone's heart who is about music production rather than experimental systems. Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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In article ,
Alexander Skwar wrote: Yep. Peter didn't "screw up" your program. Peter wrote perfectly normal text that your program has chosen to interpret, although it's quite clear, that the interpretation is wrong. No, Peter did not write perfectly normal text. It is not normal to start a line with "begin ". -- --Tim Smith |
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In alt.os.linux Tim Smith wrote:
In article , Alexander Skwar wrote: Yep. Peter didn't "screw up" your program. Peter wrote perfectly normal text that your program has chosen to interpret, although it's quite clear, that the interpretation is wrong. No, Peter did not write perfectly normal text. It is not normal to start a line with "begin ". Most of the lines I write eventually just by chance begin with whatever you could imagine they begin with, and then end however they like to end. This not haiku. Peter |
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"Noah Roberts" wrote:
You can get ghostscript for Windows and I believe there is a way to set it up to do what the Adobe printer thingy does. If you can set up Ghostscript to do ANYTHING under Windows, you're doing better than I did. -- "It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!" - Lorin David Schultz in the control room making even bad news sound good (Remove spamblock to reply) |
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Jackson Pyle wrote:
"I've been following these Linux threads with some interest because I personally feel that Linux is going to, at some point, overtake Microsoft and I also believe that it will be a Linux/Apple world with Microsoft a way distant 3rd." If that should happen, then what happens to Windows now, (all the hacking and viruses) will happen to Linux. The reason they aren't problems for Lionux and Apple now is because so few people use them in comparison. |
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MS-Office does not have this ability. I don't see that happening anytime down the road either. Doing so would be damaging to the relationship they have with Adobe. On Windows PDF export works at the printer driver level. You get (buy) a special printer driver from Adobe and "print" to a PDF file. This way any and all applications can generate PDF files. There are also a number of free PDF print-drivers available as well. (I never use them though... I just email .doc files.) Linux can "print" to a PDF file also, but there is no need to have to *BUY* a special this or that to make it happen |
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Linux can "print" to a PDF file also, but there is no need to have to *BUY* a special this or that to make it happen
That's what I clearly acknowledged. But to be clear... Linux is a kernel. It does not print or create PDF files. The applications that run on Linux do. LQualig - posting from this account. |
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"YouCanToo" wrote:
[ deleted ] Just relax, Matthew. My assistants will be their soon with happiness for you in a needle. Please do not fight them this time. Dr. Jennings |
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I've heard that .doc files can be infected with viruses
(can anyone confirm this?) and I know that some people are very wary of opening them on a Windoze machine. True. The virus comes in the form of an embedded macro that can basically do anything it wants. MSWord/Excel/etc. can all be fully automated through the built in "basic-like" language. You can do some really neat things with this which was the intent. But some of the "really neat" things can also include really-hideous viruses so opening Word documents from strangers is not recommended. AFAIK, PDF files are safe. I'm not aware of problems with PDF files. This is the reality of how it must be done. Being the underdog trying to unseat the king, OpenOffice must be able to read MS Office files. Maybe it's just more versatile. By using M$ Office, you limit yourself to only being able to read M$ Office files, I'd rather not limit my abilities that way. It can also read Wordperfect files (all versions), Wordstar, RTF, etc. Not just *.doc files. It appears to be versatile enough for the few hundred million people who use it. LQualig - posting from this account. |
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Lorin David Schultz wrote:
"Noah Roberts" wrote: You can get ghostscript for Windows and I believe there is a way to set it up to do what the Adobe printer thingy does. If you can set up Ghostscript to do ANYTHING under Windows, you're doing better than I did. There is a nice little installer. I didn't have any trouble frankly but this was a long time ago. I just used it to view and print PS files. |
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wrote:
Jackson Pyle wrote: "I've been following these Linux threads with some interest because I personally feel that Linux is going to, at some point, overtake Microsoft and I also believe that it will be a Linux/Apple world with Microsoft a way distant 3rd." If that should happen, then what happens to Windows now, (all the hacking and viruses) will happen to Linux. The reason they aren't problems for Lionux and Apple now is because so few people use them in comparison. Sure... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10...ndows_viruses/ |
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The whole point being made was that *YOU* don't have to pay extra for an application to print to a pdf file using Linux.
I understand especially since this is exactly what I said in my original post. (Mike) Does M$ office allow you to export documents as PDF file? OpenOffice does. (Me) MS-Office does not have this ability. I don't see that happening anytime down the road either. I quoted Mikes post where he said that OO can export a PDF file. I answered that MS-Office can't do this. Do I need to repeat what it is that MS-Office can't do? I just assumed that readers here would figure out that I was referring to exporting PDF files. I never claimed or implied otherwise so what's the confusion here? LQualig - posting from this account. |
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Why don't you read what he is saying and not just prove his point?
Rage Tim Smith wrote: In article .com, wrote: [blah blah blah] Why do you keep posting under different names, through open proxies? -- *********************************** * * * EuropeSwPatentFree * * * *********************************** |
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In .com, on
06/04/2005 at 02:20 PM, said: What I fail to understand however, is why Linux users seem to be so nasty, obscene and self righteous. Before spending a lot of time trying to figure out why, try investing a little time to figure out whether. Some of the comments made to the fine folks in rec.audio.pro are just uncalled for. Perhaps. Which did you have in mind, and why do you believe that they referred to the entire readership of RAP? You people seem to strut your operating system all over the place No. Typically a wintroll crossposts an attack to multiple news groups and Linux advocates respond. Unless you've examined the original articles in the threads you're concerned with, your claim is just fantasy. Even if you examine them, you still can only rationally reach that conclusion about the specific people who initiated the threads. Finally, I note that you posted your screed to Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro, comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.os.linux.misc, alt.os.linux, of which only the first two are relevant; PKB. yet when you are called to produce any kind of proof, Who is "you"? You're cooking up a huge pot of theory out of just a few data. How many Linux users post to Usenet? Of those, how many exhibit the behavior that you allege? you go scurrying about calling people trolls, Quite often the people so accused *ARE* trolls; google[1] is your friend. It seems that the Linux ehthusiast's bag of tricks is stuffed to the brim with various techniques designed to deflect the shrapnel that flies your way. It seems that you have your own agenda and are bigoted. Perhaps someone called you a troll. Perhaps they were correct. That's all well and good, but to put it simply it just makes most of you Who is "you"? To blame a large group of people for the actions of a few is to say more about yourself than about those you accuse, and to reduce the credibility of your claims about the few. However, the Linux enthusiasts had better start learning how to deal with laypeople who are not programmers, but may be experts in THEIR chosen field. Why? They will use Linux if it suits their needs; if not, not. The Linux enthusiasts will in some cases help those who wish to investigate whether Linux suits their needs. Some may be more helpful than others, or may be helpful to different people. To expect them to be identical is infantile. (OpenOffice for example, nice program but everyone on earth is using Micorsoft Office). Nu, so where do I live? I don't use that FPOS. If I can leave the Linux people with one parting thought, it is to stop acting so dammed arrogant ROTF,LMAO! Sorry, tonto, but it is you who are arrogant, presuming to judge the actions of a few based on a small sample, most of which you didn't understand anyway. and start realizing that not everyone is a geek Is that how su madre taught you to refer to those who know more than you, penedjo? whose life revolves around an operating system that few outside of the Linux world even know about. What century are you living in? When you post in groups that have nothing to do with Linux, please leave your arrogance at the door. PKB. Thank you for your consideration. If you wanted consideration then you should have checked your bigotry at the door. [1] But not the google beta software :-( -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT http://patriot.net/~shmuel Unsolicited bulk E-mail subject to legal action. I reserve the right to publicly post or ridicule any abusive E-mail. Reply to domain Patriot dot net user shmuel+news to contact me. Do not reply to |
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On 2005-06-05, SSJVCmag wrote:
OK kiddies, I'll assume that you're as conversant with email posting to newsgroups as Linux and so you DO know how not only to kill the crosspost headers but CHANGE the subject header for discussion of LINUX stuff that Except the post wasn't about "LINUX stuff". These tools are cross platform and could even be relevant to some crufty old holdout still running Cubase on a Falcon. really doesn't need to be floated over in other non-linux NGs. It's quick! It's easy! do it Now! Thanks! On 6/4/05 10:17 PM, in article , "Noah Roberts" wrote: On Windows PDF export works at the printer driver level. -- The best OS in the world is ultimately useless ||| if it is controlled by a Tramiel, Jobs or Gates. / | \ |
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Mike wrote:
Not *everyone* uses M$ Office - the OpenOffice users for example. Furthermore, if someone sends me a M$ office file, I can read it with OpenOffice but they can't use M$ office to read an OpenOffice file. Does M$ office allow you to export documents as PDF file? OpenOffice does. MS Office does allow you to create PDFs if you run it on a Mac, because on a Mac, all applications that support printing can automatically create PDFs. (It's not that different a task, so this sort of makes sense, after all.) - Logan |
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In comp.os.linux.misc Logan Shaw wrote:
: Mike wrote: : Not *everyone* uses M$ Office - the OpenOffice users for example. : Furthermore, if someone sends me a M$ office file, I can read it with : OpenOffice but they can't use M$ office to read an OpenOffice file. : Does M$ office allow you to export documents as PDF file? OpenOffice does. : MS Office does allow you to create PDFs if you run it on a Mac, because on : a Mac, all applications that support printing can automatically create PDFs. : (It's not that different a task, so this sort of makes sense, after all.) Any application running on Windows can create PDF's. ( well any one that can print at least!). But this is a Linux group- so who cares? Stan -- Stan Bischof ("stan" at the below domain) www.worldbadminton.com |
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JEDIDIAH wrote: On 2005-06-08, wrote: Any application running on Windows can create PDF's. ( well any one that can print at least!). On WinDOS you have to find, install, configure & debug some 3rd party application (which probably cost extra money). There are two options I know of. The easy but expensive one is to get Adobe Acrobat (not reader) and with it comes a program that acts like a printer but prints pdf files (sort of like the MS Office Document printer); it could be that any Adobe document creation program will do this (illustrator, etc). The hard but inexpensive route is to get Ghostscript and configure it to act like a printer that makes pdf files; there are directions to do this somewhere on the net, I saw them a couple of years ago. |
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On WinDOS you have to find, install, configure & debug
some 3rd party application (which probably cost extra money). What part of installing what is effectively a 'Printer Driver' do you find so terribly difficult? |
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In comp.os.linux.misc JEDIDIAH wrote:
: Any application running on Windows can create PDF's. ( well any one : that can print at least!). : Not with what comes off of the Windows CDs. So nothing that doesn't come with a specific distribution is of any value? : Anyone that is interested in sharing information, since you can : easily format your data so that it is friendly to anyone when running on : Mac or Linux. On ANY platform that would be ASCII unless you really need something fancier then HTML unless you really need controlled formatting then PDF if you really need it, right? : On WinDOS you have to find, install, configure & debug some 3rd : party application (which probably cost extra money). Ooo. You actually have to find and download something! Obviously that would never be needed in the Linux world. If you are really concerned why not create a FREE open source PDF writer and advertise it widely so that many/most windows users have it? Stan -- Stan Bischof ("stan" at the below domain) www.worldbadminton.com |
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JEDIDIAH wrote: On WinDOS you have to find, install, configure & debug some 3rd party application (which probably cost extra money). It's called pdfFactory from FinePrint: http://fineprint.com/ Install it and it appears as a printer device. Print to it and you are asked for the name of the file and given preview options. Been using it for years. Install it and forget it until you print. Yep, $49.95. The function is free on Linux because everything is free on Linux (except your time.) :-) Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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JEDIDIAH wrote: On 2005-06-09, wrote: On WinDOS you have to find, install, configure & debug some 3rd party application (which probably cost extra money). What part of installing what is effectively a 'Printer Driver' do you find so terribly difficult? The "find" part would probably overwhelm the average user, assuming they would have any clue to ask. Given how Microsoft tends to treat the end user, it is unlikely that this is something that would occur to them. The "install" & "configure" part also might throw the typical Win user for a loop since they probably don't think of printer output as something that you can just put in a file then do something useful with. If you really knew what you were talking about, you would have a more detailed description of the process. Except you don't. You download the pdfFactory installer and, double click on it and say "yes" to the license agreement. You do have to reboot to use it though but it does tell you that. This is probably the simplest app I've ever installed and used. A really poor example of any Win difficulties. Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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Bob Cain wrote:
The function is free on Linux because everything is free on Linux (except your time.) :-) Time is never free, but in Linux at least you don't have to spend a lot of it. |
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Bob Cain writes:
JEDIDIAH wrote: On 2005-06-09, wrote: On WinDOS you have to find, install, configure & debug some 3rd party application (which probably cost extra money). What part of installing what is effectively a 'Printer Driver' do you find so terribly difficult? The "find" part would probably overwhelm the average user, assuming they would have any clue to ask. Given how Microsoft tends to treat the end user, it is unlikely that this is something that would occur to them. The "install" & "configure" part also might throw the typical Win user for a loop since they probably don't think of printer output as something that you can just put in a file then do something useful with. If you really knew what you were talking about, you would have a more detailed description of the process. Except you don't. You download the pdfFactory installer and, double click on it and say "yes" to the license agreement. You do have to reboot to use it though but it does tell you that. This is probably the simplest app I've ever installed and used. A really poor example of any Win difficulties. Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein I think this is just one of many problems starting out with Windows. Another is Unzipping files. I have to load an application for that too. What about creating MP3 files or burning CDs? Another application, right? I wouldn't mind Windows so much if these *basic* applications were included. But the problem is I have to spend both time *and* money to get them on my machine. And everyone has a different configuration, so I'd better back mine up once I've set up the machine! Richard |
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Wrote an open letter to Linux enthusiasts. Which begs the question: Does he believe that all 14 of them read this NG? NOt that I have anything against Linux, I'll probaboly get a Linux machine for my 11 year old son, then he'll have expierience on all 3 systems currently in use, PC's Mac's and Lindows. But the rancor over this stuff is pretty lame IMO. Windows and MS have made the world a different place because of personal computers. There is no doubt that things are different, more people are working and more money is made because of PC's. It doesn't matter if you like one over another. The leader no matter who it is at any given moment is going to be a target. Something really sick in some people that makes them feel it's OK to to take potshots at people who have achieved something. Some might call it hatred of the good for being good. YMMV |
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Noah Roberts wrote:
* * * Y o u r . S h e p h e r d . A q u i l a . D e u s . ( d 2 0 0 5 x x , d 2 0 0 4 x x , d 2 0 0 3 x x , d 2 0 0 2 x x ) * * * wrote: wrote: having source code means you're kept safe! Not unless you are actively looking at all the code you install and are a secure programming expert. I don't, and I am not. That isn't technically true either. There are third party organizations and individuals looking at the source. While it is no guarantee, it is better than having no outsiders examine the code. Since exploitable code is widely installed and used, obviously having source code isn't a free security blanket. It does mean independant review is available, and without source code this is just impossible, but it doesn't guarantee security. For it to provide any security benefit you also have to stay up on those independant reviews and pay attention to your distro's updates. It *is* better than a proprietary system, there is no argument. Having source code available does bring a LOT of benefits, but I think the security card is a little overplayed quite often. There are other interpretation of "security." Using an open source program means that your investment is secure. If the vendor goes away because of business or drops the product or is unresponsive to your needs, you are not stuck. You have the source, you could hire a programmer to update it or add features. |
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