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Recommend a ~$400 2-channel tube mic-preamp?
"Mike Rivers" wrote in message news:znr1080485716k@trad... In article writes: Anyone have a good recommendation for a warm, tube, 2-channel mic preamp for around four hundred clams? I think that if I was recording 400 clams, I'd want more than two microphones, so a 2-channel mic preamp wouldn't be of much use. What's the best stereo hydrophone under $100? Peace, Paul |
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Recommend a ~$400 2-channel tube mic-preamp?
"Jim Kollens" wrote in message ... One thing to keep in mind about these posts that come up endlessly: recording used to be basically professional. Professional equipment tends to cost a lot of money. Heck, even my coffeemaker (used in restaurants) cost over $400. But, then again, you can run the thing 24 hours a day. Also, you can buy parts for it and repair it yourself. And the coffee tastes better. Why? I don't know, but everyone comments on it. When you buy a $30 coffeemaker and it breaks down in a month of continuous use, does anyone wonder but the stupid? Now that every 16 year old has his own studio that totals a few thousand dollars, should it really sound like the studio that has a couple hundred thousand dollars (or more) worth of equipment? Well, it better not and it doesn't. I really hope everyone enjoys the equipment they can afford, but it is wise to be realistic about what is and what isn't real. All true. But also true, that if you choose that few thousand dollars worth of equipment very carefully and use it in a good room (the second hardest thing) with great skill (the hardest thing), you can often get 99% of the way there. There's a lot more sweat equity involved, like tracking everything one at a time because you only have two or three channels of good-quality inputs, but it can be done. Most of the time, of course, it isn't, either because people without much money to spend often aren't real knowledgeable about what the gear is that gives you much-better-than-average results for the price, and so buy crap equipment instead of the real bargains that are out there, or they have a ghastly room, or they have no skill no real idea how to develop it. Or all of the above. Peace, Paul |
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Recommend a ~$400 2-channel tube mic-preamp?
"hank alrich" wrote in message .. . Paul Stamler wrote: A couple of folks have built them, by the way, and the ones I've heard from have liked them. One guy has had oscillation problems, and I'm working with him now to try and figure out why, and how to fix it. It's because of where he lives; tell him to move. Naw; he sent it here, and it oscillates here too. My unit, one foot away, doesn't. Peace, Paul |
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Recommend a ~$400 2-channel tube mic-preamp?
"hank alrich" wrote in message .. . Paul Stamler wrote: Mind you, I think Powell is talking nonsense about 90% of the time. But if he's operating in a real RFI jumgle, that power conditioner may be making a real difference. I don't think he's "operatintg" at all. g Rick Ruskin has a Faraday cage in which he keeps his basement, due to the amazing amount of hash of all kinds around Seattle. Hash -- oh, *that's* why Microsoft's products come out so buggy. Peace, Paul |
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"Monte P McGuire" wrote in message ... In article , Paul Stamler wrote: Monte, while I think you're right and the troll is wrong, I also have dramatically lowered noise in preamps by adding various things to the power supply, the same sorts of things that a power conditioner adds -- serious RFI filtering. In an extremely high RFI field, it can make a difference. That's certainly possible, but I think you'd want to do it inside of the chassis, and not at the end of a power cord to really get it right. Not that adding some ferrite and shunt capacitance to the power cord _couldn't_ work, but that it's a better fix to open the box up and deal with how cables pass in and out of the chassis and whether RF can travel through the cabling into the circuit. Agreed, and that's what I did. But a good line filter can get line-borne crud out of several pieces of equipment at once, which is economical, and won't void the warranty, which soldering bits inside the chassis will. Peace, Paul |
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Powell wrote:
E.A.R. - no, not according to their web site. !?! You might try looking he http://www.ear-yoshino.com/productde...p?page=1&id=27 I'm not sure which is weaker, your search skills, your "recognition of talent" skills or your people skills. I noticed the shots you're taking at Scott Dorsey. Do you know anything about him? Please forgive me if you took the short yellow bus to school or are in any way retarded or mentally handicapped. Just plain stupid, maybe? A cloth-eared bint? BTW, the EAR 824M costs ~$7,000.00 so it may be outside your range. I quite like mine. What records do you have credits on? I don't recognize your name and can't seem to find anything about you in the world of audio recording or production. One would think you're quite the "pro", given the targets you've chosen. Personally, I think you're an asshole, but that's just my take on it I would say that the ART is just right for you. Keep on quacking. TB -- All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" |
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Recommend a ~$400 2-channel tube mic-preamp?
Paul Stamler wrote:
Rick Ruskin has a Faraday cage in which he keeps his basement, due to the amazing amount of hash of all kinds around Seattle. Hash -- oh, *that's* why Microsoft's products come out so buggy. Yeah, what does Dinty Moore know about code? -- ha |
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Tonebarge wrote:
I would say that the ART is just right for you. Keep on quacking. He wisherd to be a turkey but he couldn't afford the big feathers. -- ha |
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Clam Recording (Was " Recommend a ~$400 2-channel tube mic-preamp?")
"Kurt Albershardt" wrote in message ... Mike Rivers wrote: In article writes: What's the best mic for less than ten bucks that will get me that steamey, buttery sound when recording 400 clams? I'm willing to shell out for the good stuff I recorded a guitarist once who played about 400 clams in a single take. Man, was I steamed! I was thinking about handing him a razor. Razor clams? Geoducks. Seattle, remember? Glenn D. |
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Recommend a ~$400 2-channel tube mic-preamp?
If the sound deviates from anything but a flat response then preference comes into play. I recently enjoyed a casual comparison of four truly excellent preamps (Gordon Model 3, Grace Lunatec V. 3, Great River MP2-MH and Millennia Media HV-3D), all with admirable linearity to 100 KHz or well beyond, all with admirable phase coherence and extremely low noise floors bumping theoretical minimum, and they all sounded different. _Flat response_ is a single aspect of performance and not necessarily indicative of any unit's sound. hey Hank i have the gordon audio model 2 mic pre,and it sounds... well you probably know that |
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How would you know? oh boy. LOL!!!!! |
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Recommend a ~$400 2-channel tube mic-preamp?
"Mike Rivers" wrote in message news:znr1080485716k@trad... In article writes: Anyone have a good recommendation for a warm, tube, 2-channel mic preamp for around four hundred clams? Wrong quotation guys, I didn't ask the question Richard H. Kuschel "I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty |
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Recommend a ~$400 2-channel tube mic-preamp?
On Thursday, March 25, 2004 at 7:22:51 PM UTC-6, £ Î Z @ R Ð wrote:
Anyone have a good recommendation for a warm, tube, 2-channel mic preamp for around four hundred clams? -- *·.¸_¸.·'¨¨) ¸.·' (_¸.·' Jonathan Go to http://www.guestroomproject.com/ to hear some music from my upcoming solo album, the Guestroom Project. I play all the instruments. In case anyone else stumble across this thread I will say...Scott Dorsey is full of ****e! The ART Pro MPAII is a fantastic, mic preamp with full voltage going to the tubes (150 volts). It is also very sensitive to tube changes. I've extensively tested many NOS tubes and found JAN Phillips 5751s are the best. I've A/Bd the ART Pro MPAII with the JAN Phillips 5751s against many high end pres like the UA610, and the Analog Designs Black Box pre and neither can hold a candle to the modded ART. |
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Recommend a ~$400 2-channel tube mic-preamp?
On 11/13/2018 2:03 PM, wrote:
The ART Pro MPAII is a fantastic, mic preamp with full voltage going to the tubes (150 volts). It is also very sensitive to tube changes. I've extensively tested many NOS tubes and found JAN Phillips 5751s are the best. I've A/Bd the ART Pro MPAII with the JAN Phillips 5751s against many high end pres like the UA610, and the Analog Designs Black Box pre and neither can hold a candle to the modded ART. It all depends on what you're after when you decide to use a tube preamp. There are different flavors of distortion - sometimes one works better for a given project, sometimes none work as well as a good clean solid state preamp. There's no reason not to be happy with your ART preamp, but no reason to defend it as being better than others that cost quite a bit more, either. It's like saying this mic can't hold a candle to that other mic. -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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Recommend a ~$400 2-channel tube mic-preamp?
On 14/11/2018 8:03 AM, wrote:
On Thursday, March 25, 2004 at 7:22:51 PM UTC-6, £ Î Z @ R Ð wrote: Anyone have a good recommendation for a warm, tube, 2-channel mic preamp for around four hundred clams? -- *·.¸_¸.·'¨¨) ¸.·' (_¸.·' Jonathan Go to http://www.guestroomproject.com/ to hear some music from my upcoming solo album, the Guestroom Project. I play all the instruments. In case anyone else stumble across this thread I will say...Scott Dorsey is full of ****e! The ART Pro MPAII is a fantastic, mic preamp with full voltage going to the tubes (150 volts). It is also very sensitive to tube changes. I've extensively tested many NOS tubes and found JAN Phillips 5751s are the best. I've A/Bd the ART Pro MPAII with the JAN Phillips 5751s against many high end pres like the UA610, and the Analog Designs Black Box pre and neither can hold a candle to the modded ART. Um, if a preamp is that great why is it so sensitive to tube changes - I'd call that a weak point. Also what is 'best' ? What you mean is that the preamp with that particular tube was most to your subjective liking - unless the others tried actually caused problems ? I'm glad you prefer you preamp to various others, but that doesn't mean everybody has to, even if it good value for money. Myself, I'd prefer a neutral accurate preamp, but that's just me. geoff |
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Recommend a ~$400 2-channel tube mic-preamp?
On 14/11/2018 8:13 am, geoff wrote:
On 14/11/2018 8:03 AM, wrote: On Thursday, March 25, 2004 at 7:22:51 PM UTC-6, £ Î Z @ R Ð wrote: Anyone have a good recommendation for a warm, tube, 2-channel mic preamp for around four hundred clams? Go to http://www.guestroomproject.com/ to hear some music from my upcoming solo album, the Guestroom Project.* I play all the instruments. In case anyone else stumble across this thread I will say...Scott Dorsey is full of ****e! The ART Pro MPAII is a fantastic, mic preamp with full voltage going to the tubes (150 volts). It is also very sensitive to tube changes. I've extensively tested many NOS tubes and found JAN Phillips 5751s are the best. I've A/Bd the ART Pro MPAII with the JAN Phillips 5751s against many high end pres like the UA610, and the Analog Designs Black Box pre and neither can hold a candle to the modded ART. Um, if a preamp is that great why is it so sensitive to tube changes - I'd call that a weak point. Also what is 'best' ?* What you mean is that the preamp with that particular tube was most to your subjective liking - unless the others tried actually caused problems ? I'm glad you prefer you preamp to various others, but that doesn't mean everybody has to, even if it good value for money. Myself, I'd prefer a neutral accurate preamp, but that's just me. Nah, not *just* you! :-) |
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In case anyone else stumble across this thread I will say...Scott Dorsey is= full of ****e! The ART Pro MPAII is a fantastic, mic preamp with full volt= age going to the tubes (150 volts). It is also very sensitive to tube chang= es. I've extensively tested many NOS tubes and found JAN Phillips 5751s are= the best. I've A/Bd the ART Pro MPAII with the JAN Phillips 5751s against = many high end pres like the UA610, and the Analog Designs Black Box pre and= neither can hold a candle to the modded ART. I'm glad you like it. I am sure it's useful for some things. But don't call it a tube preamp. It's a solid state preamp with a tube distortion stage. Yes, it does have a 150V B+ for the distortion stage (which is NOT even remotely the same as having 150V on the plates), but that doesn't make it linear and it doesn't make it sound like a real tube preamp (where most of the coloration comes from the transformers). The actual mike preamp section is the typical bargain basement design with 2N4401/2N4403 transistors paralleled for low noise. It's a good design in terms of getting decent performance out of cheap parts, but there's no tube and no transformer there. If you like it, that's great. But call it what it is. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On 15/11/2018 5:54 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
wrote: In case anyone else stumble across this thread I will say...Scott Dorsey is= full of ****e! The ART Pro MPAII is a fantastic, mic preamp with full volt= age going to the tubes (150 volts). It is also very sensitive to tube chang= es. I've extensively tested many NOS tubes and found JAN Phillips 5751s are= the best. I've A/Bd the ART Pro MPAII with the JAN Phillips 5751s against = many high end pres like the UA610, and the Analog Designs Black Box pre and= neither can hold a candle to the modded ART. I'm glad you like it. I am sure it's useful for some things. But don't call it a tube preamp. It's a solid state preamp with a tube distortion stage. Yes, it does have a 150V B+ for the distortion stage (which is NOT even remotely the same as having 150V on the plates), but that doesn't make it linear and it doesn't make it sound like a real tube preamp (where most of the coloration comes from the transformers). The actual mike preamp section is the typical bargain basement design with 2N4401/2N4403 transistors paralleled for low noise. It's a good design in terms of getting decent performance out of cheap parts, but there's no tube and no transformer there. If you like it, that's great. But call it what it is. --scott Which is a "solid -state mic preamp with starved-plate tube FX". geoff |
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On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 1:27:27 PM UTC-6, geoff wrote:
On 15/11/2018 5:54 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote: wrote: In case anyone else stumble across this thread I will say...Scott Dorsey is= full of ****e! The ART Pro MPAII is a fantastic, mic preamp with full volt= age going to the tubes (150 volts). It is also very sensitive to tube chang= es. I've extensively tested many NOS tubes and found JAN Phillips 5751s are= the best. I've A/Bd the ART Pro MPAII with the JAN Phillips 5751s against = many high end pres like the UA610, and the Analog Designs Black Box pre and= neither can hold a candle to the modded ART. I'm glad you like it. I am sure it's useful for some things. But don't call it a tube preamp. It's a solid state preamp with a tube distortion stage. Yes, it does have a 150V B+ for the distortion stage (which is NOT even remotely the same as having 150V on the plates), but that doesn't make it linear and it doesn't make it sound like a real tube preamp (where most of the coloration comes from the transformers). The actual mike preamp section is the typical bargain basement design with 2N4401/2N4403 transistors paralleled for low noise. It's a good design in terms of getting decent performance out of cheap parts, but there's no tube and no transformer there. If you like it, that's great. But call it what it is. --scott Which is a "solid -state mic preamp with starved-plate tube FX". geoff All true(except the starved plate bit)but I don't care. I use my ears. I don't give a rat's arse if it is a "true" tube pre or the tubes are a distortion stage etc etc. I use my ears. All I can say is it sounds better (more 3D, better bass, high end clarity, more pleasing harmonics, plus ability to mess with input impedance etc.) to my ears than preamps like the UA 610, Black Box Analog Designs, The Brick, Summit Audio 2BA, Daking, or any of the Warm Audio pres, all of which I A/Bd the ART against. Check out the Gearslutz thread where in a blind test the ART was chosen more often than a number of high end pres. In addition, you may have noticed that the current audio market is flooded with devices designed to add distortion. I'm well aware of hysteresis type distortion Vs distortion from valves. Transformers are in my experience more variable in the type or degree of distortion (hysteresis) they are capable of producing Vs valves which seem to be more predictable as far as how they sound when pushed. If I want transformer saturation, I follow the ART with a couple of stand alone huge vintage 600:600 Stancor transformers. |
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 06:24:26 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 1:27:27 PM UTC-6, geoff wrote: On 15/11/2018 5:54 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote: wrote: In case anyone else stumble across this thread I will say...Scott Dorsey is= full of ****e! The ART Pro MPAII is a fantastic, mic preamp with full volt= age going to the tubes (150 volts). It is also very sensitive to tube chang= es. I've extensively tested many NOS tubes and found JAN Phillips 5751s are= the best. I've A/Bd the ART Pro MPAII with the JAN Phillips 5751s against = many high end pres like the UA610, and the Analog Designs Black Box pre and= neither can hold a candle to the modded ART. I'm glad you like it. I am sure it's useful for some things. But don't call it a tube preamp. It's a solid state preamp with a tube distortion stage. Yes, it does have a 150V B+ for the distortion stage (which is NOT even remotely the same as having 150V on the plates), but that doesn't make it linear and it doesn't make it sound like a real tube preamp (where most of the coloration comes from the transformers). The actual mike preamp section is the typical bargain basement design with 2N4401/2N4403 transistors paralleled for low noise. It's a good design in terms of getting decent performance out of cheap parts, but there's no tube and no transformer there. If you like it, that's great. But call it what it is. --scott Which is a "solid -state mic preamp with starved-plate tube FX". geoff All true(except the starved plate bit)but I don't care. I use my ears. I don't give a rat's arse if it is a "true" tube pre or the tubes are a distortion stage etc etc. I use my ears. All I can say is it sounds better (more 3D, better bass, high end clarity, more pleasing harmonics, plus ability to mess with input impedance etc.) to my ears than preamps like the UA 610, Black Box Analog Designs, The Brick, Summit Audio 2BA, Daking, or any of the Warm Audio pres, all of which I A/Bd the ART against. Check out the Gearslutz thread where in a blind test the ART was chosen more often than a number of high end pres. In addition, you may have noticed that the current audio market is flooded with devices designed to add distortion. I'm well aware of hysteresis type distortion Vs distortion from valves. Transformers are in my experience more variable in the type or degree of distortion (hysteresis) they are capable of producing Vs valves which seem to be more predictable as far as how they sound when pushed. If I want transformer saturation, I follow the ART with a couple of stand alone huge vintage 600:600 Stancor transformers. If you want a saturated transformer, make it a small one, not a huge one. d --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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geoff wrote:
Which is a "solid -state mic preamp with starved-plate tube FX". Well, maybe. It's more like the Aphex "Reflected Plate Amplifier" than a typical starved-grid amplifier stage. Still funny-sounding but the more I think about it the more I wonder if it isn't violating Aphex's patent. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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All true(except the starved plate bit)but I don't care. I use my ears. I do= n't give a rat's arse if it is a "true" tube pre or the tubes are a distort= ion stage etc etc. I use my ears. This is fine, but don't call it a tube preamp. All I can say is it sounds better (more 3= D, better bass, high end clarity, more pleasing harmonics, plus ability to = mess with input impedance etc.) to my ears than preamps like the UA 610, Bl= ack Box Analog Designs, The Brick, Summit Audio 2BA, Daking, or any of the = Warm Audio pres, all of which I A/Bd the ART against. Okay, so you like the particular coloration of the tube distortion stage more than you like the coloration of standard tube preamps. That's fine. I can certainly see that for some things (like electric bass) even if I totally disagree for other things (like vocals). But if you call it a "tube preamp" and it doesn't sound anything like a tube preamp, you're going to mislead people who want a tube preamp. The first time I tried one of the fake tube devices I thought it was broken because I was expecting it to sound like a normal tube preamp and it in fact sounded like a preamp with a badly misbiased tube. Check out the Gearslu= tz thread where in a blind test the ART was chosen more often than a number= of high end pres. Again, I am happy for the people who chose them that they won't have to spend the money on a Millennia. In addition, you may have noticed that the current audio= market is flooded with devices designed to add distortion. I'm well aware = of hysteresis type distortion Vs distortion from valves. Transformers are i= n my experience more variable in the type or degree of distortion (hysteres= is) they are capable of producing Vs valves which seem to be more predictab= le as far as how they sound when pushed. This is a tremendous oversimplification, but until the datasheets for these devices gives you spectra for tones and intermod, all you can do is say "it sounds like a pentode preamp with a lossy input transformer" or "it sounds like a triode preamp with a Jensen JE-115" and otherwise make somewhat vague descriptions of the sonic effect. This is why I get so upset when people lump everything into one "q00l tube mike pre" category. If I want transformer saturation, = I follow the ART with a couple of stand alone huge vintage 600:600 Stancor = transformers. If you're looking for that bass compression effect that you get from overloading transformers, you might want to consider something smaller. The reason why the Triad LS-50 and all those other giant isolation transformers were so popular in studios was that they were nearly impossible to overload. The coloration on them is pretty constant with level, unlike easily-saturated devices. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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