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On 2/3/2012 12:00 PM, hank alrich wrote:
http://prorecordingworkshop.lefora.c...your-own-tubes The reason why Groove Tubes didn't start making tubes there when they bought the facilities was probably the same reason GE stopped making them - EPA toxic materials and heavy metals rules made it darn near impossible. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio." - John Watkinson http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com - useful and interesting audio stuff |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
On 2/3/2012 12:00 PM, hank alrich wrote: http://prorecordingworkshop.lefora.c...your-own-tubes The reason why Groove Tubes didn't start making tubes there when they bought the facilities was probably the same reason GE stopped making them - EPA toxic materials and heavy metals rules made it darn near impossible. I can't imagine anything using more toxic stuff than semiconductor manufacture, though, and Intel's got plenty of stuff going on, even in California. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... Mike Rivers wrote: On 2/3/2012 12:00 PM, hank alrich wrote: http://prorecordingworkshop.lefora.c...your-own-tubes The reason why Groove Tubes didn't start making tubes there when they bought the facilities was probably the same reason GE stopped making them - EPA toxic materials and heavy metals rules made it darn near impossible. I can't imagine anything using more toxic stuff than semiconductor manufacture, though, and Intel's got plenty of stuff going on, even in California. Yes, but they have a far larger market to pay for their pollution control efforts. |
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On Feb 3, 1:31*pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... Mike Rivers wrote: On 2/3/2012 12:00 PM, hank alrich wrote: http://prorecordingworkshop.lefora.c...your-own-tubes The reason why Groove Tubes didn't start making tubes there when they bought the facilities was probably the same reason GE stopped making them - EPA toxic materials and heavy metals rules made it darn near impossible. I can't imagine anything using more toxic stuff than semiconductor manufacture, though, and Intel's got plenty of stuff going on, even in California. Yes, but they have a far larger market to pay for their pollution control efforts. The overall demand for new tubes worldwide is sufficient to manufacture them but not under US environmental law, especially in California. However, almost all the people who would want to do so and have the money live in California or in the Northeast. Intel and other semiconductor companies have their fabs there for the benefit of the executive staff-they make their most important and cutting edge stuff close to the office. It gets disbursed worldwide as the new stuff comes in to replace it. Sooner or later California will go too far, but it might be later rather than sooner. People will put up with a lot to be where fashion and prestiege rule. |
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On 2/3/2012 2:14 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
I can't imagine anything using more toxic stuff than semiconductor manufacture, though, and Intel's got plenty of stuff going on, even in California. True, but they have more money than Groove Tubes. And now that Groove Tubes is owned by Fender and Aspen is no longer running the show, there's really no incentive to start up a tube factory. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio." - John Watkinson http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com - useful and interesting audio stuff |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
On 2/3/2012 2:14 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote: I can't imagine anything using more toxic stuff than semiconductor manufacture, though, and Intel's got plenty of stuff going on, even in California. True, but they have more money than Groove Tubes. And now that Groove Tubes is owned by Fender and Aspen is no longer running the show, there's really no incentive to start up a tube factory. I think that latter part has more to do with it than anything else. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On Feb 4, 5:02*pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Mike Rivers wrote: On 2/3/2012 2:14 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote: I can't imagine anything using more toxic stuff than semiconductor manufacture, though, and Intel's got plenty of stuff going on, even in California. True, but they have more money than Groove Tubes. And now that Groove Tubes is owned by Fender and Aspen is no longer running the show, there's really no incentive to start up a tube factory. I think that latter part has more to do with it than anything else. --scott Yes, fender is a marketing vs. manufacturing company now. If people will pay such sums for their crappy guitars though, who can blame them? |
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wrote in message ... On Feb 3, 1:31 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... Mike Rivers wrote: On 2/3/2012 12:00 PM, hank alrich wrote: http://prorecordingworkshop.lefora.c...your-own-tubes The reason why Groove Tubes didn't start making tubes there when they bought the facilities was probably the same reason GE stopped making them - EPA toxic materials and heavy metals rules made it darn near impossible. I can't imagine anything using more toxic stuff than semiconductor manufacture, though, and Intel's got plenty of stuff going on, even in California. Yes, but they have a far larger market to pay for their pollution control efforts. The overall demand for new tubes worldwide is sufficient to manufacture them but not under US environmental law, especially in California. I can believe that! However, almost all the people who would want to do so and have the money live in California or in the Northeast. Seems strange. Intel and other semiconductor companies have their fabs there for the benefit of the executive staff-they make their most important and cutting edge stuff close to the office. It gets disbursed worldwide as the new stuff comes in to replace it. Sooner or later California will go too far, but it might be later rather than sooner. People will put up with a lot to be where fashion and prestiege rule. I've spent a fair amount of time in California, and it appears to me to be an environmentally fragile place. In the Midwest we have tons of rain and water to wash our mistakes away, and we still have serious problems. Remove the rain and water, and its got to be a very hard row to hoe. Not so much for the East coast, but there the population density is very high. Every place you might want to squat is in someone else's back yard. |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
wrote in message ... On Feb 3, 1:31 pm, "Arny wrote: "Scott wrote in message ... Mike wrote: On 2/3/2012 12:00 PM, hank alrich wrote: http://prorecordingworkshop.lefora.c...your-own-tubes The reason why Groove Tubes didn't start making tubes there when they bought the facilities was probably the same reason GE stopped making them - EPA toxic materials and heavy metals rules made it darn near impossible. I can't imagine anything using more toxic stuff than semiconductor manufacture, though, and Intel's got plenty of stuff going on, even in California. Yes, but they have a far larger market to pay for their pollution control efforts. The overall demand for new tubes worldwide is sufficient to manufacture them but not under US environmental law, especially in California. I can believe that! However, almost all the people who would want to do so and have the money live in California or in the Northeast. Seems strange. Intel and other semiconductor companies have their fabs there for the benefit of the executive staff-they make their most important and cutting edge stuff close to the office. It gets disbursed worldwide as the new stuff comes in to replace it. Sooner or later California will go too far, but it might be later rather than sooner. People will put up with a lot to be where fashion and prestiege rule. I've spent a fair amount of time in California, and it appears to me to be an environmentally fragile place. In the Midwest we have tons of rain and water to wash our mistakes away, and we still have serious problems. Remove the rain and water, and its got to be a very hard row to hoe. Agriculture in California depends on massive infusions of water. When Jimmy Carter tried to make them pay what they'd agreed to pay for the water, he didn't get reelected for some reason... Not so much for the East coast, but there the population density is very high. Every place you might want to squat is in someone else's back yard. Fly over New Jersey some time. It's mostly empty. Outside of the NYC-DC megalopolis, there's a thin crust of humans gathered around the water. -- Les Cargill |
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"Les Cargill" wrote in message ... Not so much for the East coast, but there the population density is very high. Every place you might want to squat is in someone else's back yard. Fly over New Jersey some time. It's mostly empty. Outside of the NYC-DC megalopolis, there's a thin crust of humans gathered around the water. Don't have to do that much these days, as we have Google Earth and Google Maps. It is a matter of perspective. I see no part of NJ that is more than maybe 2 miles from a road. You can stretch that out to 5 miles or more in the UP of Michigan. Then check say Nevada or western Ontario. Offhand, maybe 10-20 miles in places. In western Ontario north of Lake Superior once you cross highway 11, there are no roads until you get to Russia which looks pretty road free until you get close to China or Korea. |
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