[Eeyore]

Thread title is self-explanatory.

The local venue's crossover has developed a fault where the LF outs are quite
distorted. I dare say it would likely be an easy fix but the difficulty of
obtaining a schematic is a problem.

I'd also phone Behringer's UK service agent for a quote if I knew if they have
one. Does anyone know who does it ? Mind you, with the packaging long ago thrown
away, it's not very practical to send it the length of the country.

Poor service support is definitely Behringer's achilles heel.

Graham

[Rupert]

On Sep 25, 5:45 pm, Eeyore
wrote:
Thread title is self-explanatory.

The local venue's crossover has developed a fault where the LF outs are quite
distorted. I dare say it would likely be an easy fix but the difficulty of
obtaining a schematic is a problem.

I'd also phone Behringer's UK service agent for a quote if I knew if they have
one. Does anyone know who does it ? Mind you, with the packaging long ago thrown
away, it's not very practical to send it the length of the country.

Poor service support is definitely Behringer's achilles heel.

Graham

For a cheap piece of kit like that I'd send it off to an ewaste
recycler and get another. Maybe even up the budget a little and get
something different.

Rupert

[Eeyore]

Rupert wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

Thread title is self-explanatory.

The local venue's crossover has developed a fault where the LF outs are quite
distorted. I dare say it would likely be an easy fix but the difficulty of
obtaining a schematic is a problem.

I'd also phone Behringer's UK service agent for a quote if I knew if they have
one. Does anyone know who does it ? Mind you, with the packaging long ago thrown
away, it's not very practical to send it the length of the country.

Poor service support is definitely Behringer's achilles heel.


For a cheap piece of kit like that I'd send it off to an ewaste
recycler and get another. Maybe even up the budget a little and get
something different.

Because the rig needs to be in working order, we'll probably buy a replacement
tomorrow. However it would be useful to have a working spare.

Graham

[Gareth Magennis]

"Eeyore" wrote in message
...


Rupert wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

Thread title is self-explanatory.

The local venue's crossover has developed a fault where the LF outs are
quite
distorted. I dare say it would likely be an easy fix but the difficulty
of
obtaining a schematic is a problem.

I'd also phone Behringer's UK service agent for a quote if I knew if
they have
one. Does anyone know who does it ? Mind you, with the packaging long
ago thrown
away, it's not very practical to send it the length of the country.

Poor service support is definitely Behringer's achilles heel.


For a cheap piece of kit like that I'd send it off to an ewaste
recycler and get another. Maybe even up the budget a little and get
something different.

Because the rig needs to be in working order, we'll probably buy a
replacement
tomorrow. However it would be useful to have a working spare.

Graham



Authorised Behringer Service Cent
http://www.prolineaudio.co.uk/



Gareth.

[Eeyore]

Gareth Magennis wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote
Rupert wrote
Eeyore wrote:

Thread title is self-explanatory.

The local venue's crossover has developed a fault where the LF outs are
quite distorted. I dare say it would likely be an easy fix but the
difficulty
of obtaining a schematic is a problem.

I'd also phone Behringer's UK service agent for a quote if I knew if
they have one. Does anyone know who does it ? Mind you, with the
packaging long
ago thrown away, it's not very practical to send it the length of the
country.

Poor service support is definitely Behringer's achilles heel.


For a cheap piece of kit like that I'd send it off to an ewaste
recycler and get another. Maybe even up the budget a little and get
something different.

Because the rig needs to be in working order, we'll probably buy a
replacement
tomorrow. However it would be useful to have a working spare.


Authorised Behringer Service Cent
http://www.prolineaudio.co.uk/

Thanks. I've spoken to them. They reckon £20-30 which doesn't totally surprise
me but seems a lot for an op-amp replacement if that's all it is which I sort of
suspect. Then there's the carriage either way on top. It makes an authorised
repair look costly when you can buy the 2 way CX2310 (which is all that's
needed) for £61.50 new.

Graham

[Mr.T]

"Eeyore" wrote in message
...
Thanks. I've spoken to them. They reckon £20-30 which doesn't totally
surprise
me but seems a lot for an op-amp replacement if that's all it is which I
sort of
suspect.

Sounds cheap if it's a replacement SMT op-amp.
How much do you charge per hour btw?

Then there's the carriage either way on top. It makes an authorised
repair look costly when you can buy the 2 way CX2310 (which is all that's
needed) for £61.50 new.

So buy a new CX2310 and quit whinging. YOU have a choice!

MrT.

[Phildo]

On Sep 25, 5:45 pm, Eeyore
wrote:
Thread title is self-explanatory.

This is rich considering you were the one who illegally posted copyrighted
Behringer schematics online.

The local venue's crossover has developed a fault where the LF outs are
quite
distorted. I dare say it would likely be an easy fix but the difficulty
of
obtaining a schematic is a problem.

You claim you are some sort of deity in the world of audio design yet
something as simple as that is beyond you? Go figure.

I'd also phone Behringer's UK service agent for a quote if I knew if they
have
one. Does anyone know who does it ? Mind you, with the packaging long ago
thrown
away, it's not very practical to send it the length of the country.

Poor service support is definitely Behringer's achilles heel.

You have to be kidding me !?!?!?

Behringer's customer service is the best in the industry.

You are just carrying on your psychotic vendetta against them because they
put your employer out of business leaving you out of a job.

Go back to stealing other people's designs and passing them off as your own.

Phildo

"Phildo" wrote in message
...

On Sep 25, 5:45 pm, Eeyore
wrote:
Thread title is self-explanatory.

This is rich considering you were the one who illegally posted copyrighted
Behringer schematics online.

The local venue's crossover has developed a fault where the LF outs are
quite
distorted. I dare say it would likely be an easy fix but the difficulty
of
obtaining a schematic is a problem.

You claim you are some sort of deity in the world of audio design yet
something as simple as that is beyond you? Go figure.

I'd also phone Behringer's UK service agent for a quote if I knew if
they have
one.

have you looked in the manual , the service centers are listed there

Does anyone know who does it ? Mind you, with the packaging long ago
thrown
away, it's not very practical to send it the length of the country.

yup way beyond you the package a one rack unit for post
with out factory box it simply can't be done can it, ****tard

Poor service support is definitely Behringer's achilles heel.

and what exactly was behringers responce when you contacted them for a ra
number?
the only weak point in this chain is you

call behringer they will resolve this issue
thier service is way above yours
they will fix the unit while you p[erfer to let the unit remain out of
service because your too ****ing lazy to properly follow the service
procedure
your a ****tard
george

[Eeyore]

wrote:

and what exactly was behringers responce when you contacted them for a ra
number?

Behringer don't have a UK operation.

I suppose I could try talking German to 'head office' ?

Graham

[Eeyore]

Phildo wrote:

Eeyore wrote

Thread title is self-explanatory.

This is rich considering you were the one who illegally posted copyrighted
Behringer schematics online.

THEY ARE NOT COPYRIGHT you illiterate MORON !

Graham

[John Williamson]

Eeyore wrote:

Phildo wrote:

Eeyore wrote

Thread title is self-explanatory.
This is rich considering you were the one who illegally posted copyrighted
Behringer schematics online.

THEY ARE NOT COPYRIGHT you illiterate MORON !

*Any* schematic is copyright of the designer/ manufacturer of the
equipment, unless specifically released into the public domain.

Similarly, any electronic design is copyright of the designer and may
also be the subject of patents, & any attempt to examine the finished
product and publish the resulting schematic is breach of that copyright
and/ or that patent.

There has been case law on this subject in all countries that support
copyright and patent laws.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[Phil Allison]

"John Williamson"

*Any* schematic is copyright of the designer/ manufacturer of the
equipment, unless specifically released into the public domain.


** Copyright laws allow for " fair usage " .

Schematics are intended as service aids for those in a position to make use
of them.

So publication of one on a technical NG or web forum for the purpose of
discussion is ** fair usage**.



Similarly, any electronic design is copyright of the designer

** Nonsense.


and may also be the subject of patents,


** Extraordinarily unlikely.


& any attempt to examine the finished product and publish the resulting
schematic is breach of that copyright and/ or that patent.


** COMPLETE ******** !!!!!!!!!!

Any schem you generate yourself is copyright to YOU !!

The word " patent " means to ** REVEAL **.

YOU RIDICULOUS ASS !!



There has been case law on this subject in all countries that support
copyright and patent laws.


** None to support your asinine conclusions.

Tciao for Now!


** Drop dead.

John the Jerkoff




...... Phil

[Eeyore]

John Williamson wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Phildo wrote:
Eeyore wrote

Thread title is self-explanatory.
This is rich considering you were the one who illegally posted copyrighted
Behringer schematics online.

THEY ARE NOT COPYRIGHT you illiterate MORON !

*Any* schematic is copyright of the designer/ manufacturer of the
equipment, unless specifically released into the public domain.

Similarly, any electronic design is copyright of the designer and may
also be the subject of patents, & any attempt to examine the finished
product and publish the resulting schematic is breach of that copyright
and/ or that patent.

There has been case law on this subject in all countries that support
copyright and patent laws.

The law varies from country to country.

However since many Behringer products are slavish copies of their competition,
I'd like to know how they can claim copyright for something that's not theirs in
the first place !

Graham

[Phildo]

Eeyore wrote:

Phildo wrote:

Eeyore wrote

Thread title is self-explanatory.
This is rich considering you were the one who illegally posted
copyrighted
Behringer schematics online.

THEY ARE NOT COPYRIGHT you illiterate MORON !

Actually they are. You posted them illegally. Maybe those lawyers you
promised so faithfully to set on George and myself are too busy tied up with
defending you on that one which is why we haven't heard from them?

Phildo

[Arny Krueger]

"Eeyore" wrote in
message

Thread title is self-explanatory.

The local venue's crossover has developed a fault where
the LF outs are quite distorted. I dare say it would
likely be an easy fix but the difficulty of obtaining a
schematic is a problem.

In the US, the CX3400 sells for about $130. Most professional service
operations charge $60 or more per hour, often more like twice that. Just
getting an estimate will cost about the same or more than the piece is worth
as used equipment. And if you fix it, its value goes from zero to about the
same as what you paid to fix it, which is the same as the cost for a used
but working version of it. This leads to the question, why ever fix it?

The logical question is whether you buy new, buy something more expensive,
or buy used.

I'd also phone Behringer's UK service agent for a quote
if I knew if they have one. Does anyone know who does it
? Mind you, with the packaging long ago thrown away, it's
not very practical to send it the length of the country.

Poor service support is definitely Behringer's achilles heel.

At the price points of Behringer's lower cost products, the only time you
repair them is in warranty, if you can do it at Behringer's expense.

[Eeyore]

Arny Krueger wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote

Thread title is self-explanatory.

The local venue's crossover has developed a fault where
the LF outs are quite distorted. I dare say it would
likely be an easy fix but the difficulty of obtaining a
schematic is a problem.

In the US, the CX3400 sells for about $130. Most professional service
operations charge $60 or more per hour, often more like twice that. Just
getting an estimate will cost about the same or more than the piece is worth
as used equipment. And if you fix it, its value goes from zero to about the
same as what you paid to fix it, which is the same as the cost for a used
but working version of it. This leads to the question, why ever fix it?

Because I hate to see waste. Besides, with a schematic I could probably fix it
inside 20-30 minutes which costs very little.

See also my response to Gareth.

Graham

[Mr.T]

"Eeyore" wrote in message
...
Besides, with a schematic I could probably fix it
inside 20-30 minutes which costs very little.

Without a schematic, many could do it as well, depending on the actual
fault.
Have you even looked yet?

MrT.

[Eeyore]

"Mr.T" wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote

Besides, with a schematic I could probably fix it
inside 20-30 minutes which costs very little.

Without a schematic, many could do it as well, depending on the actual
fault.
Have you even looked yet?

I can certainly do it as WELL. It'll probably take hours instead of a fraction
of an hour though, which was my point.

Graham

[Mr.T]

"Eeyore" wrote in message
...
Have you even looked yet?

I can certainly do it as WELL. It'll probably take hours instead of a
fraction
of an hour though, which was my point.

Depends on the actual fault. Have you even looked yet?

MrT.

[Scott Dorsey]

Eeyore wrote:
Thread title is self-explanatory.

The local venue's crossover has developed a fault where the LF outs are quite
distorted. I dare say it would likely be an easy fix but the difficulty of
obtaining a schematic is a problem.

You can't get one. But if it's BOTH LF outs, and the HF outputs are good,
you know it's not the power supply for the whole thing. And you know it's
something common to both LF outputs.

Check the supply voltages on all of the op-amps, then start looking at the
switch. Since you're looking for something that is common to both channels,
you have only a limited number of things to check.

Poor service support is definitely Behringer's achilles heel.

Actually, the support in the US seems to be excellent, but they do not
want you fixing your own gear. They want you to send it to them, but
they are reasonable and prompt if you do so. The stuff is disposable
and not really intended for easy repair, too. I mean, my hourly bench
fee is about the cost of a new one.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Phil Allison]

"Scott Dorsey Utter ****head Moron "
"Eeysore"

Poor service support is definitely Behringer's achilles heel.

Actually, the support in the US seems to be excellent,


** There is simply ZERO " service support " from Behringer.

The vast majority of pro-audio suppliers provide good service support.

Learn to *** read** you POSTURING ASS !!!!!!!!!!!!!


but they do not want you fixing your own gear.


** Asinine bull**** red-herring.

Behringer have no right WHATEVER to determine who is allowed to repair
the items they sell.

Only NAZIS think like Behringer.



They want you to send it to them, but
they are reasonable and prompt if you do so.


** ******** !!!!!!!

Most folk's experience is the direct OPPOSITE !!

Particularly any living outside the USA.



The stuff is disposable
and not really intended for easy repair, too.


** Refusing to supply schems and spares makes the merely hard into

IMPOSSIBLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


YOU ****WIT YANK ****HEAD




........ Phil

[Ty Ford]

Hey Phil,

Once you get back on your medication maybe you'll consider keeping your vile
verbiage inside your post instead of in the subject line.

At least that way we won't be inflicted by that miserably painful experience
you call your life.

Thanks

Ty Ford





On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:23:57 -0400, Phil Allison wrote
(in article ):


"Scott Dorsey Utter ****head Moron "
"Eeysore"

Poor service support is definitely Behringer's achilles heel.

Actually, the support in the US seems to be excellent,


** There is simply ZERO " service support " from Behringer.

The vast majority of pro-audio suppliers provide good service support.

Learn to *** read** you POSTURING ASS !!!!!!!!!!!!!


but they do not want you fixing your own gear.


** Asinine bull**** red-herring.

Behringer have no right WHATEVER to determine who is allowed to repair
the items they sell.

Only NAZIS think like Behringer.



They want you to send it to them, but
they are reasonable and prompt if you do so.


** ******** !!!!!!!

Most folk's experience is the direct OPPOSITE !!

Particularly any living outside the USA.



The stuff is disposable
and not really intended for easy repair, too.


** Refusing to supply schems and spares makes the merely hard into

IMPOSSIBLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


YOU ****WIT YANK ****HEAD




....... Phil









--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZJ9MptZmU

[Phil Allison]

"Ty Ford"

Hey Phil,


** Never "hey" me - you pile of sub haman

ASD ****ed, top posting CRIMINAL DUNG !!!!!!!


Do the whole planet a favour, top yourself now.




........ Phil





"Scott Dorsey Utter ****head Moron "
"Eeysore"

Poor service support is definitely Behringer's achilles heel.

Actually, the support in the US seems to be excellent,


** There is simply ZERO " service support " from Behringer.

The vast majority of pro-audio suppliers provide good service support.

Learn to *** read** you POSTURING ASS !!!!!!!!!!!!!


but they do not want you fixing your own gear.


** Asinine bull**** red-herring.

Behringer have no right WHATEVER to determine who is allowed to repair
the items they sell.

Only NAZIS think like Behringer.



They want you to send it to them, but
they are reasonable and prompt if you do so.


** ******** !!!!!!!

Most folk's experience is the direct OPPOSITE !!

Particularly any living outside the USA.



The stuff is disposable
and not really intended for easy repair, too.


** Refusing to supply schems and spares makes the merely hard into

IMPOSSIBLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


YOU ****WIT YANK ****HEAD


....... Phil

[Ty Ford]

On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:20:02 -0400, Phil Allison wrote
(in article ):

"Ty Ford"

Hey Phil,


** Never "hey" me - you pile of sub haman

ASD ****ed, top posting CRIMINAL DUNG !!!!!!!


Do the whole planet a favour, top yourself now.




....... Phil


Hey Phil,

I'm holding up a finger for you. Guess which one?

To the group: No Phil, you are not part of the group.

I think we need to ratchet Hey Phil down a bit.

While taking a crap this morning, I had this idea of converting his banal
retorts into number. For example ****wad parrot would simply be "1."
"Criminal Dung" would be "2", etc.

Since Hey Phil apparently has a quite limited vocabulary of insults, this
wouldn't take long and would make the group a much nicer place.

Regards,

Ty Ford

--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZJ9MptZmU

[Steve King]

"Ty Ford" wrote in message
...
Hey Phil,

Once you get back on your medication maybe you'll consider keeping your
vile
verbiage inside your post instead of in the subject line.

At least that way we won't be inflicted by that miserably painful
experience
you call your life.

Thanks

Ty Ford



Congratulations. You must be the last person in the world that hasn't
kill-filed Phil;-)

Steve King

[Phil Allison]

"Steve **** "


** Someone needs to kill you - ASSHOLE !!


Dorsey cocksuckers are the LOWEST of scum.




....... Phil

[Eeyore]

Scott Dorsey wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Thread title is self-explanatory.

The local venue's crossover has developed a fault where the LF outs are quite
distorted. I dare say it would likely be an easy fix but the difficulty of
obtaining a schematic is a problem.

You can't get one. But if it's BOTH LF outs, and the HF outputs are good,
you know it's not the power supply for the whole thing. And you know it's
something common to both LF outputs.

My suspicion is something like an op-amp in the filter network that's died.
Identifying the right parts to probe from a schematic would make that task a lot,
lot easier, as it would for tracing the signal through the unit.


Check the supply voltages on all of the op-amps, then start looking at the
switch. Since you're looking for something that is common to both channels,
you have only a limited number of things to check.

Poor service support is definitely Behringer's achilles heel.

Actually, the support in the US seems to be excellent, but they do not
want you fixing your own gear. They want you to send it to them, but
they are reasonable and prompt if you do so. The stuff is disposable
and not really intended for easy repair, too. I mean, my hourly bench
fee is about the cost of a new one.

The fact they don't allow local service agents access to schematics.is very poor
IMHO. It means you're automatically going to incur the considerable cost of return
P&P to some distant place even before they can even look at it.

Graham

[Scott Dorsey]

In article ,
Eeyore wrote:


Scott Dorsey wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Thread title is self-explanatory.

The local venue's crossover has developed a fault where the LF outs are quite
distorted. I dare say it would likely be an easy fix but the difficulty of
obtaining a schematic is a problem.

You can't get one. But if it's BOTH LF outs, and the HF outputs are good,
you know it's not the power supply for the whole thing. And you know it's
something common to both LF outputs.

My suspicion is something like an op-amp in the filter network that's died.
Identifying the right parts to probe from a schematic would make that task a lot,
lot easier, as it would for tracing the signal through the unit.

Nahh, because you can trace backwards from the LF output jacks. There will
only be a couple op-amps in the whole low-pass network. Bad op-amps are
a possibility but I would check the switch or pot that sets the turnover
frequency before doing anything.

Look at the supply voltages with a really good voltmeter. Look for an
op-amp whose supply voltage is different than the others. This can either
be because the trace resistance is dramatically different OR because the
op-amp is pulling more or less current than the others. An op-amp that is
pulling a different amount of current is bad.

I have a tendency just to go through and socket all the op-amps in gear
like this, to make future repair much easier.

The fact they don't allow local service agents access to schematics.is very poor
IMHO. It means you're automatically going to incur the considerable cost of return
P&P to some distant place even before they can even look at it.

This is typical of consumer electronics today. You won't get a schematic
for your cellphone or MP3 player either.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Phil Allison]

"Scott Dorsey Geriatric ****ing Moron "

I have a tendency just to go through and socket all the op-amps in gear
like this, to make future repair much easier.



** Sockets for SMD op-amps ??

Get them from the same store that sells bicycles to fish, I suppose.




....... Phil

[Eeyore]

Scott Dorsey wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Thread title is self-explanatory.

The local venue's crossover has developed a fault where the LF outs are quite
distorted. I dare say it would likely be an easy fix but the difficulty of
obtaining a schematic is a problem.

You can't get one. But if it's BOTH LF outs, and the HF outputs are good,
you know it's not the power supply for the whole thing. And you know it's
something common to both LF outputs.

My suspicion is something like an op-amp in the filter network that's died.
Identifying the right parts to probe from a schematic would make that task a lot,
lot easier, as it would for tracing the signal through the unit.

Nahh, because you can trace backwards from the LF output jacks.

On double sided high density SMT pcbs ?

Get real Scott ! You should know very well that's not a practical task. 30 years ago or
so it was different for sure. You can't do that these days unless you have hours to
spare tracing it all out.

Graham

[Scott Dorsey]

Eeyore wrote:

Nahh, because you can trace backwards from the LF output jacks.

On double sided high density SMT pcbs ?

Get real Scott ! You should know very well that's not a practical task. 30 years ago or
so it was different for sure. You can't do that these days unless you have hours to
spare tracing it all out.

So buy a Rane AC-22. Two-sided board, through hole DIP construction with
standard op-amps, and the schematic is on the website.

Only problem with it is that the 1/4" phone jacks are prone to fail and
it uses a wall wart. I was originally a little alarmed at the pots used
for turnover frequency adjustment, but they actually track very well and
hold up well to abuse.

It ain't no Sumo or even an Orban but it's not bad at all. For some reason,
Rane stuff is distributed by Sennheiser in the UK.

There is really no reason to have high-density SMD stuff in something like
a simple third or fourth order crossover. There's plenty of space in there.
But honestly, even the SMD stuff isn't that hard. The ohmmeter makes it
possible to trace lines without even being able to see them.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Eeyore]

Scott Dorsey wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

The fact they don't allow local service agents access to schematics.is very poor
IMHO. It means you're automatically going to incur the considerable cost of return
P&P to some distant place even before they can even look at it.

This is typical of consumer electronics today. You won't get a schematic
for your cellphone or MP3 player either.

They are sold quite clearly as consumer items not professional.

Graham

[Scott Dorsey]

Eeyore wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

The fact they don't allow local service agents access to schematics.is very poor
IMHO. It means you're automatically going to incur the considerable cost of return
P&P to some distant place even before they can even look at it.

This is typical of consumer electronics today. You won't get a schematic
for your cellphone or MP3 player either.

They are sold quite clearly as consumer items not professional.

So is the Behringer stuff. What you are seeing is the consumer electronics
world expanding into the pro audio realm but carrying with it the methods
and attitudes of consumer electronics.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[WillStG]

On Sep 26, 9:25 am, Eeyore
wrote:
The fact they don't allow local service agents access to schematics.is very poor
IMHO. It means you're automatically going to incur the considerable cost of return
P&P to some distant place even before they can even look at it.

Well if they provided schematics, someone might try to steal their
designs....

Will Miho
NY TV/Audio Post/Music/Live Sound Guy
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

[Phil Allison]

"WillStG"
Eeysore

The fact they don't allow local service agents access to schematics.is
very poor
IMHO. It means you're automatically going to incur the considerable cost
of return
P&P to some distant place even before they can even look at it.

Well if they provided schematics, someone might try to steal their
designs....


** ROTFL !!

Wot an imbecile.





........ Phil

[WillStG]

On Sep 26, 10:35 am, "Phil Allison" wrote:

"WillStG" wrote
Well if they provided schematics, someone might try to steal their
designs....

** ROTFL !!

Wot an imbecile.

....... Phil

" Sarcasm is lost on you, Pinky... " g

Will Miho
NY TV/Audio Post/Music/Live Sound Guy
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

[Eeyore]

WillStG wrote:

Eeyore wrote

The fact they don't allow local service agents access to schematics.is very poor
IMHO. It means you're automatically going to incur the considerable cost of return
P&P to some distant place even before they can even look at it.

Well if they provided schematics, someone might try to steal their
designs....

LMAO.

That IS probably what they're afraid of.

Graham

[Arny Krueger]

"WillStG" wrote in message
ups.com
On Sep 26, 9:25 am, Eeyore
wrote:
The fact they don't allow local service agents access to
schematics.is very poor IMHO. It means you're
automatically going to incur the considerable cost of
return P&P to some distant place even before they can
even look at it.

Well if they provided schematics, someone might try to
steal their designs....

The irony here is the EP-2500 power amp, which not only cribs the QSC RMX
part-for-part, but also uses the same terminal numbers on the signal board.

[Eeyore]

Arny Krueger wrote:

"WillStG" wrote
Eeyore wrote:

The fact they don't allow local service agents access to
schematics.is very poor IMHO. It means you're
automatically going to incur the considerable cost of
return P&P to some distant place even before they can
even look at it.

Well if they provided schematics, someone might try to
steal their designs....

The irony here is the EP-2500 power amp, which not only cribs the QSC RMX
part-for-part, but also uses the same terminal numbers on the signal board.

One of the Sekaku copies of the RMXs even used the same component references
throughout.

Graham

[Mr.T]

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
Well if they provided schematics, someone might try to
steal their designs....

The irony here is the EP-2500 power amp, which not only cribs the QSC RMX
part-for-part, but also uses the same terminal numbers on the signal
board.

Well you should at least be able to get a schematic for that one then :-)

MrT.